when this deal goes through there will be a great sucking sound; the kind you hear when there is a good dump and flush. Zimbra, and possibly other Opensource projects will hit the can. For all those that went to Zimbra from Exchange there still is CommuniGate Pro and it is free for 5 users...
if you are looking for good calendaring, (that now has CalDAV) with Outlook support + can use AirSync for the mobile, look at CommuniGate Pro. But it does not stop there; it has an IM server, both Jabber and SIP/Simple, and can talk to external XMPP servers. If that were not enough, it has VoIP, PBX, Vmail etc.
Best of all it is free for 5 users. Yes, it is paid after that, but if you want quality, that just runs and runs, it is worth it in a bigger company to pay.
there really is nothing to stop people from using servers in their home right now, other tan the setup and costs perhaps. Once you can have devices, and I do not just mean PC's, but a DSL modem, or a Cable Modem, equipped with an IPv6 address and attached to your own domain, home "servers" will take off. We are starting to see now that AOL and others are giving subscribers Domain Names, really to bring them back to their "home", the AOL network of services and not over at Google or Myspace.
All the technology exists right now, I see it just as a matter of time for the ease and critical mass to start whereby all homes will have devices that provide services to the people that live there, and when they are outside the home. Communication, like Email, VoIP, but also Blogs, Webstes, and "mystuff" like MP3s can be served up right now, at low to no cost other than the connectivity. There are dozens of ways to do this, but I see it as having to be compact, and easy to install and manage. If you grab the Free version of CommuniGate Pro (5 users) you have 90% of all the services you need, in one small package (30meg) Plus it supports IPv6 which if the USA even gets up to the technologies of Japan, we might all have a domain with dozens of devices that can be connected anyplace there is a network connection and start to see how the Internet was meant to be used.
if you think it is just the player, you are wrong. Take a peak at the upcoming Flash based Email and VoIP client called Pronto! http://www.communigate.com/demoFlash/demo_10.html The linchpin is Office, and core to that is Outlook. Keep in mind MS wants to attack PDF too. I remember the Novell/MS wars, and how they missed out by focusing only on the server. Adobe has a much better chance at putting a dent in MS because of their desktop control and distribution via the player. You can put any sort of application out there and it will work on Windows, OSX, and Linux....It is just starting to get interesting!
yeah, AJAX is so cool, but it is full of security issues, and is more difficult to get working with different browsers and OS types. Flash on the other hand has a lot of great examples of rich applications, and with the Adobe Apollo you can move applications over to the desktop to take them offline. Amazon, Ebay, and others are doing a lot of work with Adobe, and who else has such a wide distribution capability other than Adobe's flash player?
only if you use Flash or Ajax would I agree, becuase page refreshes and webmail behaiour is not what desktop users will expect. Take a look at Pronto from Communigate, http://www.communigate.com/demoFlash/demo_10.html
nobody has replaced Exchange / Outlook simply because the clients suck that have come out to date. Doing calendaring and Email together, in a slick userland experience is somethign nobody seems to be abel to do well. Webmail is not an answer, unless it acts liek a rich client. Has any one looked at the Flash Client that was released by Communigate last week? Pronto is _far_ better than Outlook, not just security, but the features for media.
calling VoIP to PSTN "VoIP" is a little incorrect. Once Internet Communications is fully understood and used, everything will change for telcoms and their business models, and that makes these government folks freak out because they get bribes from the monopolies like power, telecommunications etc sectors.
What web sites and Email did to the planet over the last 10 years, the next "protocols" or usage of the internet and DNS, so called VoIP, presence, IM, video (which all use DNS and open standards) are going to change the planet 10x more. Why? because these are "disruptive" services, replacing existing technologies. One could argue Email replaced Faxes, and some phone usage, and website replaced the yellow pages, but the order of magnitude of what VoIP, Presence, IM, is going to do to established industries like telcom is magnificent in comparison and it has politicians running for cover and creating laws and regulations, like 911 to slow or stop it.
Fact is you can download the free CommuniGate Pro, which is widely used in India, and set that up in every house, even with a modem, and build an entire communications network around the world that is standards based, and people in the government and telcoms know this, it is very scary to them.
sometimes a mix is a good thing, if you look at email, there were a lot of opensource projects in the early days, sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail, cyrus, imp, horde, openldap etc. But, if you look at the VoIP area, which really is nothing more than another protocol to talk over the internet, in this case, SIP and maybe XMPP vs SMTP/POP/IMAP and DNS of course to make it all work, the opensource projects are less. Most notably Asterisk and SER.
I do not have a perfect answer why there are less efforts, maybe those product are good enough, or maybe there is less interest. But for sure there is a lack of open and shared applications for the signaling platforms like Asterisk. I was happy to see that CommuniGate Pro, a commercial platform, decided to release all of its applications, APIs, and programming language open and free. The product is also now free for 5 users, and even 5 commercial users. While they want you to buy something for big ISPs, I do see the value in having an open approach and free version that is not crippled like some vendors do as a bait and switch.
I think I can see the point why linux striggles still for many, it is the install, the UIs, the experience, simple fact is some people, many people (or Windows would be erroding) do not care about the advantages of Linux. Same thing with Asterix, or sendmail, they do not make it into the home because of the learning curves. Take Skype, closed network, not great quality all the time, but people do use it at home, why, easy to get, easy to use. Recently CommuniGate Pro was made free for the home too, and people use that over Asterix, same reason, easy to get, easy to install.
Why not install SuSE? I use Crypto on all my systems for my/home It is great, and SuSE is better than RH for this and a 1/2 dozen other technical reasons. ONe, which his thread is based on is the Reiser FS support. The only Journaling FS in the Kernel to date.
Are many of us here on Dope here including IBM???? PPC is way ahead of IA32 and SuSE Linux has had this port for some time....simple for all you RedHat idiots....just load the SuSE Linux PPC and cahnge:/ETC/ISSUE = "Welcome to Redhat"
Instead of Welcome to SuSE Linux
damn, what is it that we are turing into "follow like good little cows" reminds me of the uprising of NT....doesn't anyone care about engineering of linux at all anymore?
Regards,
Jon
What is everyone smoking? SuSE has a Sparc port which is on my SS5 and about 4 others here....SuSE Sparc is available for DL on their FTP in ISO form....geez, doesn't anyone know that SuSE has ports for a _lot_ of platforms and languages??? And is technically very strong comparred to RH IMHO
Regards,
Jon
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when this deal goes through there will be a great sucking sound; the kind you hear when there is a good dump and flush. Zimbra, and possibly other Opensource projects will hit the can. For all those that went to Zimbra from Exchange there still is CommuniGate Pro and it is free for 5 users...
CommuniGate Pro now has CalDAV and is free for 5 users
Hi;
if you are looking for good calendaring, (that now has CalDAV) with Outlook support + can use AirSync for the mobile, look at CommuniGate Pro. But it does not stop there; it has an IM server, both Jabber and SIP/Simple, and can talk to external XMPP servers. If that were not enough, it has VoIP, PBX, Vmail etc.
Best of all it is free for 5 users. Yes, it is paid after that, but if you want quality, that just runs and runs, it is worth it in a bigger company to pay.
Hello;
there really is nothing to stop people from using servers in their home right now, other tan the setup and costs perhaps. Once you can have devices, and I do not just mean PC's, but a DSL modem, or a Cable Modem, equipped with an IPv6 address and attached to your own domain, home "servers" will take off. We are starting to see now that AOL and others are giving subscribers Domain Names, really to bring them back to their "home", the AOL network of services and not over at Google or Myspace.
All the technology exists right now, I see it just as a matter of time for the ease and critical mass to start whereby all homes will have devices that provide services to the people that live there, and when they are outside the home. Communication, like Email, VoIP, but also Blogs, Webstes, and "mystuff" like MP3s can be served up right now, at low to no cost other than the connectivity. There are dozens of ways to do this, but I see it as having to be compact, and easy to install and manage. If you grab the Free version of CommuniGate Pro (5 users) you have 90% of all the services you need, in one small package (30meg) Plus it supports IPv6 which if the USA even gets up to the technologies of Japan, we might all have a domain with dozens of devices that can be connected anyplace there is a network connection and start to see how the Internet was meant to be used.
Hi;
if you think it is just the player, you are wrong. Take a peak at the upcoming Flash based Email and VoIP client called Pronto! http://www.communigate.com/demoFlash/demo_10.html The linchpin is Office, and core to that is Outlook. Keep in mind MS wants to attack PDF too. I remember the Novell/MS wars, and how they missed out by focusing only on the server. Adobe has a much better chance at putting a dent in MS because of their desktop control and distribution via the player. You can put any sort of application out there and it will work on Windows, OSX, and Linux....It is just starting to get interesting!
Hello;
yeah, AJAX is so cool, but it is full of security issues, and is more difficult to get working with different browsers and OS types. Flash on the other hand has a lot of great examples of rich applications, and with the Adobe Apollo you can move applications over to the desktop to take them offline. Amazon, Ebay, and others are doing a lot of work with Adobe, and who else has such a wide distribution capability other than Adobe's flash player?
Hi;
only if you use Flash or Ajax would I agree, becuase page refreshes and webmail behaiour is not what desktop users will expect. Take a look at Pronto from Communigate, http://www.communigate.com/demoFlash/demo_10.html
Jon
Hello;
nobody has replaced Exchange / Outlook simply because the clients suck that have come out to date. Doing calendaring and Email together, in a slick userland experience is somethign nobody seems to be abel to do well. Webmail is not an answer, unless it acts liek a rich client. Has any one looked at the Flash Client that was released by Communigate last week? Pronto is _far_ better than Outlook, not just security, but the features for media.
Jon
calling VoIP to PSTN "VoIP" is a little incorrect. Once Internet Communications is fully understood and used, everything will change for telcoms and their business models, and that makes these government folks freak out because they get bribes from the monopolies like power, telecommunications etc sectors.
What web sites and Email did to the planet over the last 10 years, the next "protocols" or usage of the internet and DNS, so called VoIP, presence, IM, video (which all use DNS and open standards) are going to change the planet 10x more. Why? because these are "disruptive" services, replacing existing technologies. One could argue Email replaced Faxes, and some phone usage, and website replaced the yellow pages, but the order of magnitude of what VoIP, Presence, IM, is going to do to established industries like telcom is magnificent in comparison and it has politicians running for cover and creating laws and regulations, like 911 to slow or stop it.
Fact is you can download the free CommuniGate Pro, which is widely used in India, and set that up in every house, even with a modem, and build an entire communications network around the world that is standards based, and people in the government and telcoms know this, it is very scary to them.
Hi;
sometimes a mix is a good thing, if you look at email, there were a lot of opensource projects in the early days, sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail, cyrus, imp, horde, openldap etc. But, if you look at the VoIP area, which really is nothing more than another protocol to talk over the internet, in this case, SIP and maybe XMPP vs SMTP/POP/IMAP and DNS of course to make it all work, the opensource projects are less. Most notably Asterisk and SER.
I do not have a perfect answer why there are less efforts, maybe those product are good enough, or maybe there is less interest. But for sure there is a lack of open and shared applications for the signaling platforms like Asterisk. I was happy to see that CommuniGate Pro, a commercial platform, decided to release all of its applications, APIs, and programming language open and free. The product is also now free for 5 users, and even 5 commercial users. While they want you to buy something for big ISPs, I do see the value in having an open approach and free version that is not crippled like some vendors do as a bait and switch.
I think I can see the point why linux striggles still for many, it is the install, the UIs, the experience, simple fact is some people, many people (or Windows would be erroding) do not care about the advantages of Linux. Same thing with Asterix, or sendmail, they do not make it into the home because of the learning curves. Take Skype, closed network, not great quality all the time, but people do use it at home, why, easy to get, easy to use. Recently CommuniGate Pro was made free for the home too, and people use that over Asterix, same reason, easy to get, easy to install.
Why not install SuSE? I use Crypto on all my systems for my /home It is great, and SuSE is better than RH for this and a 1/2 dozen other technical reasons. ONe, which his thread is based on is the Reiser FS support. The only Journaling FS in the Kernel to date.
Are many of us here on Dope here including IBM???? PPC is way ahead of IA32 and SuSE Linux has had this port for some time....simple for all you RedHat idiots....just load the SuSE Linux PPC and cahnge: /ETC/ISSUE = "Welcome to Redhat"
Instead of Welcome to SuSE Linux
damn, what is it that we are turing into "follow like good little cows" reminds me of the uprising of NT....doesn't anyone care about engineering of linux at all anymore?
Regards,
Jon
What is everyone smoking? SuSE has a Sparc port which is on my SS5 and about 4 others here....SuSE Sparc is available for DL on their FTP in ISO form....geez, doesn't anyone know that SuSE has ports for a _lot_ of platforms and languages??? And is technically very strong comparred to RH IMHO Regards, Jon
Connectiva Linux has RPM and Apt-get....it is also a very strong Liux having Reiser and LVM