What? This mess could be avoided? Please come to my office and tell me about it, I'll be happy to understand why you needed to use Slashdot instead of our marvelous bug tracking and internal communications process.
I'm still not confident in Linux's ability to remain stable/repair itself easily without having to frequently re-install.
I'm using a Linux box for 4 years, without a single reinstall. Of course, I'm using a "more professional" one.
Be aware that there's more than a single Linux distro, and not all of them focus on stability or security. The ones that focus on mimicking Windows tends to mimic it too much accurately, in my humble opinion.
"Two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity. (And I'm not sure about the Universe)".
From now on, these "lectures" will be taught world wide, except by USA. Or do you think the remaining ones will just sit and wait for the feds knock their door?
Are you nuts? At the time it was released, IE 6 was the best browser around. There was seriously not a better option in 2001.
I beg your pardon, but I'm nuts^w^w I don't agree with you.:-)
IE6 was a terrible nightmare for security - I can't even start to count how many exploits IE6 users were vulnerable. I just can't understand why IN HELL Microsoft thought it could be a good idea to expose inner OS mechanisms (COM objects, by God's sake!) to Joe HoTMeTaL .
The only people I know that thinks IE6 was good was people that develops IE6 only webpages to be visualized in Intranets were the user just can't access, openly, the Internet.
1. Windows would still use IE6 (it still renders webpages, so it clearly ain't broken - hell, we could go back to mosaic with this)
Are you nuts? IE6 was utterly broken since the very beginning!!!
2. We wouldn't have spoked wheels (it's not like the original design of the wheel was broken)
The original wheel design was broken for the use the guy that invented the spoked wheels had in mind. He needed a big but lightweighted wheel, and solid wheels couldn't be properly used that way - so, it was broken! =P
Are you kidding? I jumped out dial up in the very instant I could afford broadband!:-)
Constant "no carrier" breakouts, slow speed, busy lines... Dial up was used just because it was what we could afford in the time.
On the other hand...
I still have an old Athlon XP box here at my side for some retro-gaming, and guess what? It's running Windows XP. WIth all the security measures I implemented here to protect my inner network, the fact is that my XP box is secure as never it was before.
I simply don't have the slightest incentive to throw it away and waste more money on a "newer" box, as the current one is fullfilling perfectly the computational niche it plays now.
Of course I use another box to day to day computing (a Mac Mini), but why bother setting up a virtual machines if I can play my games perfectly on a 3GHz Athlon XP with a Soundblaster Audigy and an ATI Radeon 4670 with 1GB?
Until this machine is dead, I don't have a single unique reason to buy another (it handles the games I play, and that's all).
... as I won't going to buy a PS4 while my PS3 setup is working fine.
I can change my mind when the migration to PS4 could fit my pockets. Until there, Sony can do whatever they want that it will only affects the ones willing to buy a PS4!;-)
Please, show some respect for the idiots... Many of them are good people (idiotic, but good people), and don't deserve be compared with a jackass like that.:-)
What is the difference between injecting code into a machine to make it do what you want, and injecting an idea into a human to make the human do what you want.
Between Windows 8.1, which is revolutionary, and OS X there is simply no room left for Linux any more.
Bullshit. I don't see a single server box running Windows 8.1 neither OS X.;-)
On the Desktop, however, you can be right[...]
Yeah, about that. I've upgraded 14 servers (all of them) in the past week or two to Server 2012 R2 (from 2008 R2), and it's pretty wonderful. There's also two Ubuntu server boxen, a SLES box, and a CentOS box. And ESXi 5.5 on the hosts.
And again, no Windows 8.1 neither MacOSX. Can you, please, stay on the subject?;-)
I had already got my buzzwords quota about the marvels from Microsoft this week, anyway. People on my job are doing that Microsoft partnership tests, and my colleague are doing the Intune one.
So, yeah, I could generalize and say that all Linux users are tools, but the evidence points to it being just you.
Being the evidence... Wait... What evidences?:-)
At least, it appears to me that you are being PAID to astroturf us (or, at least, me) - I'm flattered.
I endorse all and every effort to milk something back from Microsoft!:-D
>> The lack of device drivers for Linux *IT'S YOUR FAULT*
really ?
Really!:-)
Often you don't know the devices installed on the computer. The product description only specifies the graphics card and the processor. And maybe the wifi card vendor but nothing else
But you do know the hardware being currently supported by Linux. A simple and direct question to the vendor and it's done (or not). The seller doesn't know? No problem, I'm not buying neither.
You don't know how to proceed? Ask for help. Paid help if needed.
But stop bitching about "I can't use Linux because there's no device drivers for my hardware". Be honest, say that you don't want to use Linux. PERIOD. This I can respect - I'm using MacOS X now for my desktop computing - I simply refused to use that crappy excuse for a Desktop called Gnome 3.
KDE? No thanks. If I were going to do the Windows way, I would prefer doing it on the original.:-)
But I'm still using Linux heavily on my servers. No regrets.
Between Windows 8.1, which is revolutionary, and OS X there is simply no room left for Linux any more.
Bullshit. I don't see a single server box running Windows 8.1 neither OS X.;-)
On the Desktop, however, you can be right (with that "revolutionary" put aside - that bunch of scraps put together IS NOT revolutionary - it's just a tablet dumbed down to be used on a Desktop, and then hammered further to get the Desktop back).
I used to know half a dozen people who used Linux and now ALL of them have switched to something better.
I am one of these. But not because the options tuned better, but because what I was using became worse.
Windows is a bag of shit. Nuff said.
Mac OSX *is good*, very good. But not THAT good. There's nothing (eye candies aside) that my MaxOS Box do now that I didn't did at least so fast and conveniently with my (correctly configured) OpenSUSE 11.4 box running Gnome 2. The *BEST* professional box I ever used (and it's utterly missed).
People are tired of recompiling kernels, looking at crappy fonts, having NO drivers for common hardware, and all the general stupidity and uselessness of Linux.
It's almost 10 years since I compiled a kernel for the last time (Gentoo doesn't count - it does all the job alone, freeing you to see PR0N all night!). And I *am* a Linux heavy user. It just happened that I know some guys (like OpenSUSE) that thought it could be a good idea doing that for me, and then charging me with support when I want to do something unusual. Guess what? This model works fine for me (not that sure for them, however).
The lack of device drivers for Linux *IT'S YOUR FAULT*. Stop buying shitty devices, and go for ones that Linux already supports. I don't see anyone buying Booster or any other shitty Stereo to install on their Mercedes, Porsche or whatever. WHY IN HELL people spend a lof of hundred of dollars on I7 computers with tons of RAM and SSD, and then go cheap on video, sound and ethernet?
You got what you pays for. Stop bitching about it, and grow up. You are the stupid and useless here.;-)
And I haven't even begun with the security, performance and privacy flaws inherent to ALL open source software!
You haven't begun with it because there's no way to start with, at first place.
Every piece of software has flaws and insecurities. Open Source ones just happens to allow you to see for yourself.
Yeah, I know you're just trolling. I know you're, at best, being paid to astro turf against open source (but chances are that you are just a moron doing it for free - some people just love to be slaved for free, what we can do?).
I think Ubuntu had reached its apogee. The declining is near, but I'm not sure it already began.
And I don't see this happening because God's Wrath or something in retaliation on some evil practices. It just happened that they already saturated their consumer niche: digital illiterates that prefers to be away from masses and opted to use something "different" (but not necessarily better).
[GNU]/Linux is still a developer driven solution. Ubuntu had his shot on Desktop, but decided to go for the end-Loosers =P, and the mess they did on the scene was just collateral damage. It's worth to mention that the mess is not their fault only. Some others (*COFF *COOF Gnome Foundation *COFF *COFF) did even worse.
Ubuntu's niche is just reaching saturation (meaning that they were growing fast in the past).
So a "good" cop in your mind is one who selectively enforces the law, and not one who enforces it equally?
OF COURSE, YES!!
Everybody has the same rights, but some people need help to have their rights enforced! The law deal with the common case, the officer deals with the exceptional ones.
By your logic, old ladies and wheelchair users would be set apart from the streets, damnit!
Laws, as any other human made abstraction, are far from perfection and determinism. A lot of them can be interpreted in the most different ways.
Do you need a hint?
A car with the engine turned off is still a car being driven?
If your car radio have a hands off device embedded, and you use it to chitchat using your cell phone, you're still breaking the law or not? If yes, why talking to a device is against the law, and talking with the passenger is not? And why such devices are allowed in cars at first place?
Why using a Tom Tom with your HANDS isn't against the law, and using a Cell Phone plugged on the panel is?
Everybody knew Microsoft were going to buy the Mobile Division from Nokia since the first day Elop laid this butt on that chair. The question were for how much.
I think that all that Android effort was a strategic move to prevent Microsoft to buy the Division too much cheap.
Even worst, if one intentionally hurts someone else by doing exactly what you said not to do, you can end up being sued for (not sure how to express myself in english) "promoting murder".
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What? This mess could be avoided? Please come to my office and tell me about it, I'll be happy to understand why you needed to use Slashdot instead of our marvelous bug tracking and internal communications process.
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Ballmer.
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Bitching about reality does nothing to change reality and just ruins your peace of mind.
If you don't bitch about what you want fixed, things simply will not be fixed.
I got my peace of mind using things that does not annoys me.
The Windows 2012 R2 RSAT requires the Windows 8.1 client OS.
So if I stay away from Windows 2012 R2, I can keep my Windows 7 boxes? Good to now!
I'm still not confident in Linux's ability to remain stable/repair itself easily without having to frequently re-install.
I'm using a Linux box for 4 years, without a single reinstall. Of course, I'm using a "more professional" one.
Be aware that there's more than a single Linux distro, and not all of them focus on stability or security. The ones that focus on mimicking Windows tends to mimic it too much accurately, in my humble opinion.
At least Microsoft support won't call you a stupid noob to your face.
You get what you pays for, right?
With FOSS, you can try to fix it yourself or pay someone to do that for you.
We would never have had PGP or encryption research outside government labs if everyone followed such rules.
The way I see it, no one would be using encryption nowadays if Obama managed to be president in the nineties.
"Two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity. (And I'm not sure about the Universe)".
From now on, these "lectures" will be taught world wide, except by USA. Or do you think the remaining ones will just sit and wait for the feds knock their door?
Are you nuts? At the time it was released, IE 6 was the best browser around. There was seriously not a better option in 2001.
I beg your pardon, but I'm nuts^w^w I don't agree with you. :-)
IE6 was a terrible nightmare for security - I can't even start to count how many exploits IE6 users were vulnerable. I just can't understand why IN HELL Microsoft thought it could be a good idea to expose inner OS mechanisms (COM objects, by God's sake!) to Joe HoTMeTaL .
The only people I know that thinks IE6 was good was people that develops IE6 only webpages to be visualized in Intranets were the user just can't access, openly, the Internet.
1. Windows would still use IE6 (it still renders webpages, so it clearly ain't broken - hell, we could go back to mosaic with this)
Are you nuts? IE6 was utterly broken since the very beginning!!!
2. We wouldn't have spoked wheels (it's not like the original design of the wheel was broken)
The original wheel design was broken for the use the guy that invented the spoked wheels had in mind. He needed a big but lightweighted wheel, and solid wheels couldn't be properly used that way - so, it was broken! =P
3. Fiber internet connections wouldn't exist (did dial-up ever actually break?)
Are you kidding? I jumped out dial up in the very instant I could afford broadband! :-)
Constant "no carrier" breakouts, slow speed, busy lines... Dial up was used just because it was what we could afford in the time.
On the other hand...
I still have an old Athlon XP box here at my side for some retro-gaming, and guess what? It's running Windows XP. WIth all the security measures I implemented here to protect my inner network, the fact is that my XP box is secure as never it was before.
I simply don't have the slightest incentive to throw it away and waste more money on a "newer" box, as the current one is fullfilling perfectly the computational niche it plays now.
Of course I use another box to day to day computing (a Mac Mini), but why bother setting up a virtual machines if I can play my games perfectly on a 3GHz Athlon XP with a Soundblaster Audigy and an ATI Radeon 4670 with 1GB?
Until this machine is dead, I don't have a single unique reason to buy another (it handles the games I play, and that's all).
... as I won't going to buy a PS4 while my PS3 setup is working fine.
I can change my mind when the migration to PS4 could fit my pockets. Until there, Sony can do whatever they want that it will only affects the ones willing to buy a PS4! ;-)
kudos, my friend. Your post is one of the best I ever read here, especially the part after "Dont read past here". :-)
Please, show some respect for the idiots... Many of them are good people (idiotic, but good people), and don't deserve be compared with a jackass like that. :-)
What is the difference between injecting code into a machine to make it do what you want, and injecting an idea into a human to make the human do what you want.
Humans are supposed to be "sapiens".
Between Windows 8.1, which is revolutionary, and OS X there is simply no room left for Linux any more.
Bullshit. I don't see a single server box running Windows 8.1 neither OS X. ;-)
On the Desktop, however, you can be right[...]
Yeah, about that. I've upgraded 14 servers (all of them) in the past week or two to Server 2012 R2 (from 2008 R2), and it's pretty wonderful. There's also two Ubuntu server boxen, a SLES box, and a CentOS box. And ESXi 5.5 on the hosts.
And again, no Windows 8.1 neither MacOSX. Can you, please, stay on the subject? ;-)
I had already got my buzzwords quota about the marvels from Microsoft this week, anyway. People on my job are doing that Microsoft partnership tests, and my colleague are doing the Intune one.
So, yeah, I could generalize and say that all Linux users are tools, but the evidence points to it being just you.
Being the evidence... Wait... What evidences? :-)
At least, it appears to me that you are being PAID to astroturf us (or, at least, me) - I'm flattered.
I endorse all and every effort to milk something back from Microsoft! :-D
>> The lack of device drivers for Linux *IT'S YOUR FAULT*
really ?
Really! :-)
Often you don't know the devices installed on the computer. The product description only specifies the graphics card and the processor. And maybe the wifi card vendor but nothing else
But you do know the hardware being currently supported by Linux. A simple and direct question to the vendor and it's done (or not). The seller doesn't know? No problem, I'm not buying neither.
You don't know how to proceed? Ask for help. Paid help if needed.
But stop bitching about "I can't use Linux because there's no device drivers for my hardware". Be honest, say that you don't want to use Linux. PERIOD. This I can respect - I'm using MacOS X now for my desktop computing - I simply refused to use that crappy excuse for a Desktop called Gnome 3.
KDE? No thanks. If I were going to do the Windows way, I would prefer doing it on the original. :-)
But I'm still using Linux heavily on my servers. No regrets.
I am talking about notebooks.
Me too.
Ow, c'ommon... "Flame Bait"? X-D
If you're mod-trolling, at least try to pretend being honest... =P
Between Windows 8.1, which is revolutionary, and OS X there is simply no room left for Linux any more.
Bullshit. I don't see a single server box running Windows 8.1 neither OS X. ;-)
On the Desktop, however, you can be right (with that "revolutionary" put aside - that bunch of scraps put together IS NOT revolutionary - it's just a tablet dumbed down to be used on a Desktop, and then hammered further to get the Desktop back).
I used to know half a dozen people who used Linux and now ALL of them have switched to something better.
I am one of these. But not because the options tuned better, but because what I was using became worse.
Windows is a bag of shit. Nuff said.
Mac OSX *is good*, very good. But not THAT good. There's nothing (eye candies aside) that my MaxOS Box do now that I didn't did at least so fast and conveniently with my (correctly configured) OpenSUSE 11.4 box running Gnome 2. The *BEST* professional box I ever used (and it's utterly missed).
People are tired of recompiling kernels, looking at crappy fonts, having NO drivers for common hardware, and all the general stupidity and uselessness of Linux.
It's almost 10 years since I compiled a kernel for the last time (Gentoo doesn't count - it does all the job alone, freeing you to see PR0N all night!). And I *am* a Linux heavy user. It just happened that I know some guys (like OpenSUSE) that thought it could be a good idea doing that for me, and then charging me with support when I want to do something unusual. Guess what? This model works fine for me (not that sure for them, however).
The lack of device drivers for Linux *IT'S YOUR FAULT*. Stop buying shitty devices, and go for ones that Linux already supports. I don't see anyone buying Booster or any other shitty Stereo to install on their Mercedes, Porsche or whatever. WHY IN HELL people spend a lof of hundred of dollars on I7 computers with tons of RAM and SSD, and then go cheap on video, sound and ethernet?
You got what you pays for. Stop bitching about it, and grow up. You are the stupid and useless here. ;-)
And I haven't even begun with the security, performance and privacy flaws inherent to ALL open source software!
You haven't begun with it because there's no way to start with, at first place.
Every piece of software has flaws and insecurities. Open Source ones just happens to allow you to see for yourself.
Take *ANY* Windows update. Do you can see what they're fixing? No? Me neither. And one of these updates fucked up a entire country this year.
Yeah, I know you're just trolling. I know you're, at best, being paid to astro turf against open source (but chances are that you are just a moron doing it for free - some people just love to be slaved for free, what we can do?).
But it happens that I am in the mood today. :-)
I think Ubuntu had reached its apogee. The declining is near, but I'm not sure it already began.
And I don't see this happening because God's Wrath or something in retaliation on some evil practices. It just happened that they already saturated their consumer niche: digital illiterates that prefers to be away from masses and opted to use something "different" (but not necessarily better).
[GNU]/Linux is still a developer driven solution. Ubuntu had his shot on Desktop, but decided to go for the end-Loosers =P, and the mess they did on the scene was just collateral damage. It's worth to mention that the mess is not their fault only. Some others (*COFF *COOF Gnome Foundation *COFF *COFF) did even worse.
Ubuntu's niche is just reaching saturation (meaning that they were growing fast in the past).
So a "good" cop in your mind is one who selectively enforces the law, and not one who enforces it equally?
OF COURSE, YES!!
Everybody has the same rights, but some people need help to have their rights enforced! The law deal with the common case, the officer deals with the exceptional ones.
By your logic, old ladies and wheelchair users would be set apart from the streets, damnit!
You're wrong.
Laws, as any other human made abstraction, are far from perfection and determinism. A lot of them can be interpreted in the most different ways.
Do you need a hint?
A car with the engine turned off is still a car being driven?
If your car radio have a hands off device embedded, and you use it to chitchat using your cell phone, you're still breaking the law or not? If yes, why talking to a device is against the law, and talking with the passenger is not? And why such devices are allowed in cars at first place?
Why using a Tom Tom with your HANDS isn't against the law, and using a Cell Phone plugged on the panel is?
That officier is being a jerk. A big ass one.
Everybody knew Microsoft were going to buy the Mobile Division from Nokia since the first day Elop laid this butt on that chair. The question were for how much.
I think that all that Android effort was a strategic move to prevent Microsoft to buy the Division too much cheap.
Even worst, if one intentionally hurts someone else by doing exactly what you said not to do, you can end up being sued for (not sure how to express myself in english) "promoting murder".
Had the Argentinians ever tried to sunk one? :-)
... from my point of view....