Kudos to the QMTest folks; I'm looking forward
to the fruits of the software carpentry project. But, as Expect is an
automation tool, not simply a testing tool, I don't think it'll exactly be "replaced."
The well-known DejaGNU suite, written in Expect, might be a candidate for replacement, though.
I use Expect all the time, but have never used it for testing. I tried DejaGNU a time or two,
but never could figure it out. If you like Expect and like Perl, you might check out the
Expect.pm module project; it's really come to fruition recently, and
I've finally started doing that kind of thing in Perl instead of TCL/Expect.
I live in Texas, and I still don't think the govt did anything legally wrong at Waco. All I know is, a bunch of nutties with guns were down there plotting to eventually kill me and my family, and a bunch of govt agents got themselves shot trying to take them out before they all killed themselves.
It blew my mind how conservative talk radio immediately tried to picture these guys as, "Just peaceful, churchgoing, religious folks exercising their 2nd amendment priviliges.
Slander is like when you spread malicious untruths about somebody. "Ford sucks" and other such phrases aren't untruths; they're opinions. (Not falsifiable/provable; just somebody's personal take on the matter.)
Look, you shouldn't have a slander lawsuit slapped on you just because at work you told somebody Fords suck, should you? And should you be able to publish that opinion?
Average person:
The average person types f*ckgeneralmotors.com into his browser for no reason?
They assume Ford themselves registered "f*ckgeneralmotors.com" and promotes the use of profanity? I've got a low opinion of the average American intelligence, but not that low.
Eight years later and Randall's still trying to get the blot off of his record and get his money back. (Thank goodness the highly rated comment that said noone would hire him is completely misinformed!)
Yet, the Intel VP who picked 'pre$ident' for his password and shared it with his secretary, thus compromising secure information, in violation of company policy ("knowingly and without authorization," as the Oregon law says) is not in court at all. Same law. Same crime.
"Oh, but that law's not too vague. It's only intended to be used against bad people, and the judges will make sure of that."
FreeCiv! Ever since I got RedHat 7.1 I've been an addict. Game is incredibly fun alone, even more fun online, and customizable to the extent that it's like having several games.
I use the free Red Carpet channels every day around 7 AM Central time and they are usually lightning fast.
Now, lately there've been some dependency problems I didn't quite like (/usr/share/magic.mime is a file, guys, not a a package), but these have been in the RedHat channel and it appears they are slowly being fixed.
As I see it, the job of overseeing Microsoft can only succeed if it has a definite goal in mind that involves transforming the company and then relinquishing control. If Microsoft is still overseen by the government in 30 years, while its competitors are free to manage themselves, this will not have been a success.
What things have to take place at Microsoft before it will no longer be a special exception that the government has to personally regulate?
Where do you get $2k per student? An iBook retails for $1299. It's one of the best buys I know of, especially if you throw Linux on it.:) Considering Apple heavily discounted these, I think you need to cut your estimate by 67% or more.
The free service offers ten hours per month, which should be sufficient to get you through any short-term outages.
Unless the outage lasts more than a day; how much do you think we use the Internet, anyway?:)
This service does not currently support MAC, Windows 2000 or XP.
Doesn't support MAC, huh? Are you trying to tell me it won't support Medium Access Control? That makes sense; ethernet isn't needed, since it's dialup. At least my Mac will be supported.:)
I get rated troll for saying what I like to watch and don't like to watch; you'll probably get modded up for being derogatory, offensive, and telling me what to do.
Please note, I'm not telling anyone what to watch or to do with their DVDs. Why is it always Christians who are accused of intolerance?
Why do you care what I watch? Why does my desire to change movies I purchase for myself without affecting you at all scare you so much?
Thanks. This appears to be the only positive response in the world to what I said. One guy went back and modded down several things I'd said since Oct. 30.
lobby for offensive items not to be put in movies
I think part of the problem is people can't separate my desire to change my own movies which I've bought (shades of MPAA RIAA issues, here) from a desire to control what everyone else sees. I'm not lobbying for anything. I just think it's cool to be able to turn this stuff off if you want. My mistake is that I thought some people out here might think my (somewhat rare and unique) viewpoint would be interesting. Apparently I can't even be accepted as a human being if I don't like gratuitous sex and violence, though.
Watch what you want, guys. I don't care. But don't take it out on me.
Horrific? I'm not in any way trying to control what you do, pass any laws to modify your DVD's, or anything like that. All I said is, I don't enjoy listening to cussing or watching extramarital sex for entertainment. You can watch what you want, and that's fine with me.
Good point, but why do you care what I do with the copyrighted material I buy?
I think you've misunderstood. I don't care whether you see the sex and foul language or not. Apparently everyone thinks that's what I meant, because somebody has started marking me troll right and left, even going back to unrelated things I posted on October 30.
Watch what you want, and let me watch what I want. All I said is, "Neat! Now I can modify those movies in a way I'd like to." I'm not addressing this at you specifically, Theodrake, but why is everyone so mad that I'm glad I can now censor DVDs?
I've always said that since society still views violence as wrong but not extra-marital sex and profane language, movies are less likely to encourage people to accept violence but do help to promote extra-marital sex and profane language. Since I believe all three are wrong (unlike most people here, I'm sure), I'm interested in eliminating the two that do seem to have had an effect on society.
I played all those violent video games as a kid and have yet to rip out any hearts.
Of course, being an opinion, your mileage with these thoughts may vary.
I'm 23 and have been waiting for this feature for a long time. I prefer my movies without sex and without language. Most of my family feels the same way, and we are all adults.
Strangely, I didn't even think of kids when I read this item.
Seriously. It's not about kids. I don't want to see the sex scenes. This is a real boon for me and my family (all 19 years of age or older, btw). Meanwhile, it still lets you see what you want to see.
Good points. I'm sure someone will eventually find a way around them. Maybe designing a specialized P2P system for DNS that isn't as generalized as Freenet will help speed things up.
The good news is, "slashdotted" sites will look up even faster because they'll be all over. Yes, your uncommon sites will be slower. I guess it's just more pressure to conform.:)
I like the Freenet/P2P DNS idea because it means DNS policy becomes:
First come, first serve. (The only fair way.)
If you don't use it, you lose it. (Very fair; doesn't require you to set up a web page, but only to use the domain.)
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Patrick, thanks for the information. I appreciate Sourceforge and what it's given us. However, I am increasingly buying into the Free Software ideology as advocated by the Free Software foundation. I'm even considering discontinuing my use of all proprietary software, at least for personal use, a boycott if you will to help push/vote the software economy in the direction I want it to go.
I've used sourceforge and have a couple of projects there. However, I was quite dismayed when sourceforge became a less than 100% free software organization, and even more at the recent announcements and name changes by VA Linux. I appreciate your position and want you to do what you have to do to stay afloat. I can't fault you for that. However, I'm going to have to leave the sourceforge boat, because it's not doing what I want anymore. I don't want high quality tools as much as I want freedom, and since GNU appears to be planning a free alternative to what sourceforge is providing, I'm going to have to go that way.
Take care, and good luck for the future! I fully expect to meet again on the other side, in better times when VA/Sourceforge comes back to the 100% open source fold!:)
While this is an legal and academic conference, most of papers require only a rudimentary familiarity with the issues and arguments regarding intellectual property.
Oh, sure, that one guy's post "Leap" is going to polarise world opinion, lead to greater support for radical organizations, kill innocent people abroad, and be used to justify further attacks. I'm sure Bin Laden is reading it right now, thinking, "Let's get 'em!"
Like a post on slashdot could ever make that much difference.
Is there some reason there absolutely has to be an acronym for "domain name application"? (Deliberately not capitalized here.) I mean, couldn't they just call them "applications," and when they need to disambiguate, "domain name applications"?
Did these folks ever have to take a biology class in high school or college?
Despite some rumors, Perl 6 will not force any one to use or learn OO. There will be a lot for OO users to like but, like Perl 5, OO will be entirely optional. I was involved in the very, very early days of Perl 6 (I wrote about 3 RFCs), and this has been a design guideline that nearly everyone shared. I learned OO slowly and from Perl 5 (not C++ or Java, surprisingly), and I wanted to make sure that no one was forced to use any OO at all. There should always be More Than One Way To Do It.
Perl 5's current filehandles are a little bit like objects, and Perl 6's will be a little bit more like objects. That's as object-oriented as you will ever have to get.
I write CGI programs every week using the excellent, object-oriented CGI.pm module. This module, like Perl 5 and Perl 6, gives you a choice of OO or procedural programming, and I have always used the object-oriented way. In fact, it seems much easier to me. But, I understand where you're coming from. Before I completely learned OO, I was glad to be able to take it or leave it. Now that I know it and appreciate its advantages, I'm still glad to take it or leave it.:-)
By the way, your point would be better without the four letter words. But, that's par for the course on slashdot. Sigh.
Anton, Ed Yourdon didn't write The Mythical Man Month. It was Fred Brooks, of IBM. I keep this book on my shelf. Everyone ought to read it once a year; it's gets better every time.
Slashdot Mirror
Kudos to the QMTest folks; I'm looking forward
to the fruits of the software carpentry project. But, as Expect is an
automation tool, not simply a testing tool, I don't think it'll exactly be "replaced."
The well-known DejaGNU suite, written in Expect, might be a candidate for replacement, though.
I use Expect all the time, but have never used it for testing. I tried DejaGNU a time or two,
but never could figure it out. If you like Expect and like Perl, you might check out the
Expect.pm module project; it's really come to fruition recently, and
I've finally started doing that kind of thing in Perl instead of TCL/Expect.
I live in Texas, and I still don't think the govt did anything legally wrong at Waco. All I know is, a bunch of nutties with guns were down there plotting to eventually kill me and my family, and a bunch of govt agents got themselves shot trying to take them out before they all killed themselves.
It blew my mind how conservative talk radio immediately tried to picture these guys as, "Just peaceful, churchgoing, religious folks exercising their 2nd amendment priviliges.
Slander is like when you spread malicious untruths about somebody. "Ford sucks" and other such phrases aren't untruths; they're opinions. (Not falsifiable/provable; just somebody's personal take on the matter.)
Look, you shouldn't have a slander lawsuit slapped on you just because at work you told somebody Fords suck, should you? And should you be able to publish that opinion?
Average person:
Eight years later and Randall's still trying to get the blot off of his record and get his money back. (Thank goodness the highly rated comment that said noone would hire him is completely misinformed!)
Yet, the Intel VP who picked 'pre$ident' for his password and shared it with his secretary, thus compromising secure information, in violation of company policy ("knowingly and without authorization," as the Oregon law says) is not in court at all. Same law. Same crime.
"Oh, but that law's not too vague. It's only intended to be used against bad people, and the judges will make sure of that."
FreeCiv! Ever since I got RedHat 7.1 I've been an addict. Game is incredibly fun alone, even more fun online, and customizable to the extent that it's like having several games.
I use the free Red Carpet channels every day around 7 AM Central time and they are usually lightning fast.
Now, lately there've been some dependency problems I didn't quite like (/usr/share/magic.mime is a file, guys, not a a package), but these have been in the RedHat channel and it appears they are slowly being fixed.
As I see it, the job of overseeing Microsoft can only succeed if it has a definite goal in mind that involves transforming the company and then relinquishing control. If Microsoft is still overseen by the government in 30 years, while its competitors are free to manage themselves, this will not have been a success.
What things have to take place at Microsoft before it will no longer be a special exception that the government has to personally regulate?
Where do you get $2k per student? An iBook retails for $1299. It's one of the best buys I know of, especially if you throw Linux on it. :) Considering Apple heavily discounted these, I think you need to cut your estimate by 67% or more.
The free service offers ten hours per month, which should be sufficient to get you through any short-term outages.
Unless the outage lasts more than a day; how much do you think we use the Internet, anyway? :)
This service does not currently support MAC, Windows 2000 or XP.
Doesn't support MAC, huh? Are you trying to tell me it won't support Medium Access Control? That makes sense; ethernet isn't needed, since it's dialup. At least my Mac will be supported. :)
Congratulations on being right!
Hey, everybody. Mod this guy up!
I get rated troll for saying what I like to watch and don't like to watch; you'll probably get modded up for being derogatory, offensive, and telling me what to do.
Please note, I'm not telling anyone what to watch or to do with their DVDs. Why is it always Christians who are accused of intolerance?
Why do you care what I watch? Why does my desire to change movies I purchase for myself without affecting you at all scare you so much?
Thanks. This appears to be the only positive response in the world to what I said. One guy went back and modded down several things I'd said since Oct. 30.
lobby for offensive items not to be put in movies
I think part of the problem is people can't separate my desire to change my own movies which I've bought (shades of MPAA RIAA issues, here) from a desire to control what everyone else sees. I'm not lobbying for anything. I just think it's cool to be able to turn this stuff off if you want. My mistake is that I thought some people out here might think my (somewhat rare and unique) viewpoint would be interesting. Apparently I can't even be accepted as a human being if I don't like gratuitous sex and violence, though.
Watch what you want, guys. I don't care. But don't take it out on me.
Horrific? I'm not in any way trying to control what you do, pass any laws to modify your DVD's, or anything like that. All I said is, I don't enjoy listening to cussing or watching extramarital sex for entertainment. You can watch what you want, and that's fine with me.
Why does that scare you so much?
Good point, but why do you care what I do with the copyrighted material I buy?
I think you've misunderstood. I don't care whether you see the sex and foul language or not. Apparently everyone thinks that's what I meant, because somebody has started marking me troll right and left, even going back to unrelated things I posted on October 30.
Watch what you want, and let me watch what I want. All I said is, "Neat! Now I can modify those movies in a way I'd like to." I'm not addressing this at you specifically, Theodrake, but why is everyone so mad that I'm glad I can now censor DVDs?
How in the world is the fact that I don't want to see sex scenes a troll?
I'm more like your father, actually.
I've always said that since society still views violence as wrong but not extra-marital sex and profane language, movies are less likely to encourage people to accept violence but do help to promote extra-marital sex and profane language. Since I believe all three are wrong (unlike most people here, I'm sure), I'm interested in eliminating the two that do seem to have had an effect on society.
I played all those violent video games as a kid and have yet to rip out any hearts.
Of course, being an opinion, your mileage with these thoughts may vary.
I'm 23 and have been waiting for this feature for a long time. I prefer my movies without sex and without language. Most of my family feels the same way, and we are all adults.
Strangely, I didn't even think of kids when I read this item.
An example of it.
Seriously. It's not about kids. I don't want to see the sex scenes. This is a real boon for me and my family (all 19 years of age or older, btw). Meanwhile, it still lets you see what you want to see.
Good points. I'm sure someone will eventually find a way around them. Maybe designing a specialized P2P system for DNS that isn't as generalized as Freenet will help speed things up.
The good news is, "slashdotted" sites will look up even faster because they'll be all over. Yes, your uncommon sites will be slower. I guess it's just more pressure to conform. :)
I like the Freenet/P2P DNS idea because it means DNS policy becomes:
Folks, check out Everything Over Freenet to find out what the fuss is about.
Patrick, thanks for the information. I appreciate Sourceforge and what it's given us. However, I am increasingly buying into the Free Software ideology as advocated by the Free Software foundation. I'm even considering discontinuing my use of all proprietary software, at least for personal use, a boycott if you will to help push/vote the software economy in the direction I want it to go.
I've used sourceforge and have a couple of projects there. However, I was quite dismayed when sourceforge became a less than 100% free software organization, and even more at the recent announcements and name changes by VA Linux. I appreciate your position and want you to do what you have to do to stay afloat. I can't fault you for that. However, I'm going to have to leave the sourceforge boat, because it's not doing what I want anymore. I don't want high quality tools as much as I want freedom, and since GNU appears to be planning a free alternative to what sourceforge is providing, I'm going to have to go that way.
Take care, and good luck for the future! I fully expect to meet again on the other side, in better times when VA/Sourceforge comes back to the 100% open source fold! :)
While this is an legal and academic conference, most of papers require only a rudimentary familiarity with the issues and arguments regarding intellectual property.
Kind of like Slashdot, huh?
Oh, sure, that one guy's post "Leap" is going to polarise world opinion, lead to greater support for radical organizations, kill innocent people abroad, and be used to justify further attacks. I'm sure Bin Laden is reading it right now, thinking, "Let's get 'em!"
Like a post on slashdot could ever make that much difference.
Is there some reason there absolutely has to be an acronym for "domain name application"? (Deliberately not capitalized here.) I mean, couldn't they just call them "applications," and when they need to disambiguate, "domain name applications"?
Did these folks ever have to take a biology class in high school or college?
Despite some rumors, Perl 6 will not force any one to use or learn OO. There will be a lot for OO users to like but, like Perl 5, OO will be entirely optional. I was involved in the very, very early days of Perl 6 (I wrote about 3 RFCs), and this has been a design guideline that nearly everyone shared. I learned OO slowly and from Perl 5 (not C++ or Java, surprisingly), and I wanted to make sure that no one was forced to use any OO at all. There should always be More Than One Way To Do It.
Perl 5's current filehandles are a little bit like objects, and Perl 6's will be a little bit more like objects. That's as object-oriented as you will ever have to get.
I write CGI programs every week using the excellent, object-oriented CGI.pm module. This module, like Perl 5 and Perl 6, gives you a choice of OO or procedural programming, and I have always used the object-oriented way. In fact, it seems much easier to me. But, I understand where you're coming from. Before I completely learned OO, I was glad to be able to take it or leave it. Now that I know it and appreciate its advantages, I'm still glad to take it or leave it. :-)
By the way, your point would be better without the four letter words. But, that's par for the course on slashdot. Sigh.
Anton, Ed Yourdon didn't write The Mythical Man Month. It was Fred Brooks, of IBM. I keep this book on my shelf. Everyone ought to read it once a year; it's gets better every time.