You must be joking. I'd expect a 2.6 near the end of 2003 or start of 2004 - 2.4 should last a while IMHO, and they can hack away on 2.5 and make a good [and stable] release for 2.6.
Personally, I dont think 2.4 should have been released when it was, so you can think of 2.4.14 as 2.4.0pre14 [heh].
I'd just like to mention, 3dwm is not an X wm. So lets not go down the "wouldn't it be cool if..." because this isn't going to be of much use to us desktop users. (sadly)
I don't see why a version number matters so much. 0.9 is fast and a lot more stable than past releases, and anything released after 0.9 will only improve upon that. 1.0 could be called 0.1 for all I care, the software is good.
Netscape 6 is a miserable attempt at release software.
Yes.. and it should be, they were forced to release early due to "market pressure". Netscape 6 is based on a build of mozilla just before Mozilla M18 was released, so it has every right to be miserable:-)
Netscape should have waited. The mozilla crew don't have such pressures, and they're doing the right thing by going so slowly. Since 0.8, it's been kicking ass IMHO. Also, Opera is rather stable now, uses little memory & is extremely fast (as of 5.0b8, they fixed most of the stability problems) - it also gets the antialiased fonts if you run it under KDE2.
Yep. NS 4.x is a piece of shit:-) Mozilla has never locked up X since I've been using it (since M14 or so). It may have crashed rather often back in the day, but at least it was graceful.
I said one of them:) - there is always business, but Office stuff on linux is doing well IMHO (KOffice/OpenOffice/etc.).
Ease of installation is pretty much a non-issue now (with the right distro), and drivers are plentiful AFAIK - compare the driver situation now to 5 years ago.
I personally think that a lot of what makes games good in Windows is also what makes it slow for the rest of us "non-gamers"... all those damn APIs, DLL just sucking up memory and hard drive space.
Ah, you don't have to install DX if you're not playing games (do you?) - and DLL's are loaded when they're needed.
Re the ideals comment: Linux is a kernel, gaming stuff (other than DRI) doesn't need to be in the kernel.
Debian supports i386, alpha, arm, m68k, PPC and Sparc. I doubt any other Linux distro supports this many arch's, NetBSD is probably the only "distro" that beats Debian in arch support. They're all supposed to behave the same on each arch, too, which is nice.
> What's best for the platform is original games that are cool and don't exist elsewhere.
Reality check. Gaming companies are in it for the money, Windows will always be their primary target while it holds the marketplace, unless, you're talking about Open Source games?
Open Source games don't get media attention.
Open Source games generally don't come near the quality of commerical games.
In the end, the goal is to phase windows out completely, and for that, we need gamer support. A lot of people don't run linux for the simple fact that it wont run their games - games are probably one of the main attractions to PCs, so we need them running on our OS if we want World Domination. Once ease of use is decent (we're getting there), I'd say this will be the last hurdle for Linux.
I wouldn't be worried about Loki etc., native ports will always be prefered, for stability/speed - unless Wine magically becomes stable+fast overnight.
Considering how long it has taken to get basic apps to run in Wine, DirectX support is going to be a long way off IMHO.
(no offense intended to any wine developers/avid users)
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Debian Sid has the Redhat sound conf tool in it, apt-get install sndconfig
(or you might want to try ALSA)
That way we might see 2.6 before the end of 2002.
You must be joking. I'd expect a 2.6 near the end of 2003 or start of 2004 - 2.4 should last a while IMHO, and they can hack away on 2.5 and make a good [and stable] release for 2.6.
Personally, I dont think 2.4 should have been released when it was, so you can think of 2.4.14 as 2.4.0pre14 [heh].
I'd just like to mention, 3dwm is not an X wm. So lets not go down the "wouldn't it be cool if..." because this isn't going to be of much use to us desktop users. (sadly)
I just have to say, what a pile of shit.
Thank you.
Yeah, sounds nice, but that doesnt mean jack if there aren't any snapshots and the like.
I don't see why a version number matters so much. 0.9 is fast and a lot more stable than past releases, and anything released after 0.9 will only improve upon that. 1.0 could be called 0.1 for all I care, the software is good.
Netscape 6 is a miserable attempt at release software.
:-)
Yes.. and it should be, they were forced to release early due to "market pressure". Netscape 6 is based on a build of mozilla just before Mozilla M18 was released, so it has every right to be miserable
Netscape should have waited. The mozilla crew don't have such pressures, and they're doing the right thing by going so slowly. Since 0.8, it's been kicking ass IMHO. Also, Opera is rather stable now, uses little memory & is extremely fast (as of 5.0b8, they fixed most of the stability problems) - it also gets the antialiased fonts if you run it under KDE2.
*ahem*..
What the fuck are you talking about? Twat.
How about some URLs to back this up? I've been using mozilla for a long time and haven't noticed this before.
NS 4.77 has locked XF86 several times for me
:-) Mozilla has never locked up X since I've been using it (since M14 or so). It may have crashed rather often back in the day, but at least it was graceful.
Yep. NS 4.x is a piece of shit
I said one of them :) - there is always business, but Office stuff on linux is doing well IMHO (KOffice/OpenOffice/etc.).
Ease of installation is pretty much a non-issue now (with the right distro), and drivers are plentiful AFAIK - compare the driver situation now to 5 years ago.
I personally think that a lot of what makes games good in Windows is also what makes it slow for the rest of us "non-gamers"... all those damn APIs, DLL just sucking up memory and hard drive space.
Ah, you don't have to install DX if you're not playing games (do you?) - and DLL's are loaded when they're needed.
Re the ideals comment: Linux is a kernel, gaming stuff (other than DRI) doesn't need to be in the kernel.
Debian supports i386, alpha, arm, m68k, PPC and Sparc. I doubt any other Linux distro supports this many arch's, NetBSD is probably the only "distro" that beats Debian in arch support. They're all supposed to behave the same on each arch, too, which is nice.
Reality check. Gaming companies are in it for the money, Windows will always be their primary target while it holds the marketplace, unless, you're talking about Open Source games?
In the end, the goal is to phase windows out completely, and for that, we need gamer support. A lot of people don't run linux for the simple fact that it wont run their games - games are probably one of the main attractions to PCs, so we need them running on our OS if we want World Domination. Once ease of use is decent (we're getting there), I'd say this will be the last hurdle for Linux.
I wouldn't be worried about Loki etc., native ports will always be prefered, for stability/speed - unless Wine magically becomes stable+fast overnight. Considering how long it has taken to get basic apps to run in Wine, DirectX support is going to be a long way off IMHO.
(no offense intended to any wine developers/avid users)