Hey, your site doesnt work in my browser/OS. This is obviously intentional.. As a developer myself I understand that making a widely usable site is possible, in most cases its easier than not. Either you actually coded the thing and it just plain didnt work and you didnt see fit to correct it, or you intentionally excluded users based on some business partnership you have with a certain un-ethical company. Either way you need to solve the problem.
I agree with having Mr. sommerville remove his site, your views are valid and I would feel the same way. However, had you actually spent the time to correct the obvious error, the problem would have been solved in the first place. So thats a lose-win situation.
Please dont bother replying to this email, I honestly dont care what you have to say, just fix it.
I wasnt offended and totally appreciate your opinion.
My sources are many, the website is one, please feel free to hit it up and feed me back counterpoints on it. I'd be interested in that.
Science IS our common element, my errors are from not being a scientist. So long as science contines to be the pursuit of truth, and since I believe I found truth in god, why would I not appreciate science?
I just wanted to give you guys new angles to look over, but please dont take what I say as a arguement, or that I know everything, I dont, only god does.
You arent evolution, so dont be offended when someone challenges it, it makes it seem like ones religion or faith when you all defend it like that.
Religion in schools:
1) God wants people that will suffer for his name, so if everyone had religion pushed on them, we would have a very tame and very complacent christian population. So this thought supports no religion taught in schools.
2) I think it should be allowed for people to practice their religion in schools under certain guidelines. We are there to learn not be preached to.
Micro evolution is valid, organisms change to adapt to a environment. Its Macro evolution we are discussing.
My only point is that the changes each made, to each different environment, didnt change the species enough to keep them from being compatible. So they didnt change to different types of humans, still the same thing, but with differences.
Evolution is akin to a tornado hitting a junkyard and creating a fully functional 737, these are the kinds of trial and error odds we are talking about.
Sorry to not be at your level of expertise, i only know what makes sense to me and what comes from the research I've done. But please be a little more civil, why does a debate have to be lined with subtle personal attacks.
How can the system expand itself as it has, and how can life be created from the lack of life?
Excepts from the webage you claimed to have read:
"The second law says that everything in our world and in the universe is like a wound-up clock that is running down. "
Increasing life complexity. Evolution teaches that life increases in complexity, and therefore defies the second law. But when a person is born, he has all the complexity built into him to start. It unfolds as he goes through life. Everything was in the utterly complex DNA code at the beginning of that person's existence. In addition, at birth a person is in the most physically perfect condition he will ever be in this life. The more he develops, the more blemishes and imperfections appear, until they gain the ascendancy and he dies.""
Diffent paths (races), ending up in the same place at the same time, independant of eachother.
And we arent mules, and your example illustrates IMHO that we cannot be descended from animals. Also, two different breeds of horses (palamino, and arabian for example) "evolving" in different places share interchangable DNA.
A mule is a mutation, the fact that its sterile and that there NEVER has been a good mutation is more evidence against the evolution theory.
One more thing, as I understand it we have more in common with frogs and pigs genetically than we do with apes anyway.
I'm no scientist, I read tons of articles on evolution, even from their point of view.
It seems like you people are more interested in making me look bad then discussing the points.
As I understand it, its the law of gravity, but I may be wrong, i'm no scientist.
I was hoping for intellegent conversation on this topic, so that I can further understand what drives your passion about evolution, you seem challenged and attacked when I mention anything ill about it, thats odd.
We are both seeking truth, I am coming from the faith and biblical angle, and you are coming from the humanist angle and science is our common element.
Systems dont grow more complex, but break down and dissolve.
I am suprised that you are to arrogant to consider my point of view.
I've never heard the lava one... but how about this one:
How could different races of humans, developing in different parts of the earth, in different ways, and in different environments, and with different competition.
How could they all have possibly developed the same organs, eyes, brain etc etc...AND have totally interchangable DNA...
just a thought, I totally welcome this discussion and do not have my head up my butt, I dont think evolution is anything more than a lame excuse to not believe in god, but thats opinion. It takes more faith to believe in evolution than in god.
Well, the children can have some mental disorder that prevents them from normal growth. Thats a given.
Regardless of how hard parents try, they can still do it all wrong. We all have parents that tried really hard in their own ways, but thats not what we needed.
I still think that children grow based on influences, and parents are huge influences.
Garbage in Garbage out, if someone fills their life with gross and violent influences all day, thats what they learn, simple fact.
But, most people are stable and sane enough to see these things as the trivial and stupid games they are. So the balancing force here is parenting, crappy parents produce crappy kids.
If someones child goes and shoots up a school, how dare the parents blame the video games the child played. It was in your house and under your 'guidance' that he played them in the first place.
So either way the parents are responsible. Sadly, nobody wants to take responsibility for anything anymore, so the blame must be shifted somewhere easy and politically correct.... blame videogames, or music, or drugs or whatever.
If these kids' parents had been paying attention and showing care for their children, how could they possibly have gone that far without notice? Was there notice? And if so, do you think they will admit to it?
The world is a crummy place sometimes, but at least we have punk rock.
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I have no idea, I code PHP and the like. BBEdit doesnt suck.
Hey, your site doesnt work in my browser/OS. This is obviously intentional.. As a developer myself I understand that making a widely usable site is possible, in most cases its easier than not. Either you actually coded the thing and it just plain didnt work and you didnt see fit to correct it, or you intentionally excluded users based on some business partnership you have with a certain un-ethical company. Either way you need to solve the problem.
I agree with having Mr. sommerville remove his site, your views are valid and I would feel the same way. However, had you actually spent the time to correct the obvious error, the problem would have been solved in the first place. So thats a lose-win situation.
Please dont bother replying to this email, I honestly dont care what you have to say, just fix it.
- rob
I put my name, coworkers names, company, and all the technologies I used into each and every page I develop here at work.
It gets neet search results when I search for my name, but will NEVER grant me results when I search for XHTML.
Its still fun.
You had very good info and were saying stuff that made sense and I understood.
Then you dropped back and chose to try and offend me again.
But you are right, this discussion has to end for now.
Thanks for the debate and your opinions, and may god bless you abundantly.
- rob
I wasnt offended and totally appreciate your opinion.
My sources are many, the website is one, please feel free to hit it up and feed me back counterpoints on it. I'd be interested in that.
Science IS our common element, my errors are from not being a scientist. So long as science contines to be the pursuit of truth, and since I believe I found truth in god, why would I not appreciate science?
I just wanted to give you guys new angles to look over, but please dont take what I say as a arguement, or that I know everything, I dont, only god does.
You arent evolution, so dont be offended when someone challenges it, it makes it seem like ones religion or faith when you all defend it like that.
Religion in schools:
1) God wants people that will suffer for his name, so if everyone had religion pushed on them, we would have a very tame and very complacent christian population. So this thought supports no religion taught in schools.
2) I think it should be allowed for people to practice their religion in schools under certain guidelines. We are there to learn not be preached to.
Thanks for being cool
bless you
- rob
I honestly think you missed my point too.
Micro evolution is valid, organisms change to adapt to a environment. Its Macro evolution we are discussing.
My only point is that the changes each made, to each different environment, didnt change the species enough to keep them from being compatible. So they didnt change to different types of humans, still the same thing, but with differences.
Evolution is akin to a tornado hitting a junkyard and creating a fully functional 737, these are the kinds of trial and error odds we are talking about.
Sorry to not be at your level of expertise, i only know what makes sense to me and what comes from the research I've done. But please be a little more civil, why does a debate have to be lined with subtle personal attacks.
thanks, bless you
-rob
Energy cannot be created in a closed system.
How can the system expand itself as it has, and how can life be created from the lack of life?
Excepts from the webage you claimed to have read:
"The second law says that everything in our world and in the universe is like a wound-up clock that is running down. "
Increasing life complexity.
Evolution teaches that life increases in complexity, and therefore defies the second law. But when a person is born, he has all the complexity built into him to start. It unfolds as he goes through life. Everything was in the utterly complex DNA code at the beginning of that person's existence. In addition, at birth a person is in the most physically perfect condition he will ever be in this life. The more he develops, the more blemishes and imperfections appear, until they gain the ascendancy and he dies.""
Thats more of my point.
Diffent paths (races), ending up in the same place at the same time, independant of eachother.
And we arent mules, and your example illustrates IMHO that we cannot be descended from animals. Also, two different breeds of horses (palamino, and arabian for example) "evolving" in different places share interchangable DNA.
A mule is a mutation, the fact that its sterile and that there NEVER has been a good mutation is more evidence against the evolution theory.
One more thing, as I understand it we have more in common with frogs and pigs genetically than we do with apes anyway.
Just some stuff to think about. Thanks.
bless you
- rob
I'm no scientist, I read tons of articles on evolution, even from their point of view.
It seems like you people are more interested in making me look bad then discussing the points.
As I understand it, its the law of gravity, but I may be wrong, i'm no scientist.
I was hoping for intellegent conversation on this topic, so that I can further understand what drives your passion about evolution, you seem challenged and attacked when I mention anything ill about it, thats odd.
We are both seeking truth, I am coming from the faith and biblical angle, and you are coming from the humanist angle and science is our common element.
bless you
- rob
How about the law of entropy?
Systems dont grow more complex, but break down and dissolve.
I am suprised that you are to arrogant to consider my point of view.
I've never heard the lava one... but how about this one:
How could different races of humans, developing in different parts of the earth, in different ways, and in different environments, and with different competition.
How could they all have possibly developed the same organs, eyes, brain etc etc...AND have totally interchangable DNA...
just a thought, I totally welcome this discussion and do not have my head up my butt, I dont think evolution is anything more than a lame excuse to not believe in god, but thats opinion. It takes more faith to believe in evolution than in god.
thanks
It goes against the first and second laws of thermo-dynamics and is still a theory, and unproven in these hundred or so years since its inception.
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Well, the children can have some mental disorder that prevents them from normal growth. Thats a given.
Regardless of how hard parents try, they can still do it all wrong. We all have parents that tried really hard in their own ways, but thats not what we needed.
I still think that children grow based on influences, and parents are huge influences.
but crap does happen, thats the grand wildcard.
-rob
Garbage in Garbage out, if someone fills their life with gross and violent influences all day, thats what they learn, simple fact.
But, most people are stable and sane enough to see these things as the trivial and stupid games they are. So the balancing force here is parenting, crappy parents produce crappy kids.
If someones child goes and shoots up a school, how dare the parents blame the video games the child played. It was in your house and under your 'guidance' that he played them in the first place.
So either way the parents are responsible. Sadly, nobody wants to take responsibility for anything anymore, so the blame must be shifted somewhere easy and politically correct.... blame videogames, or music, or drugs or whatever.
If these kids' parents had been paying attention and showing care for their children, how could they possibly have gone that far without notice? Was there notice? And if so, do you think they will admit to it?
The world is a crummy place sometimes, but at least we have punk rock.
(/end rant)
- rob