The article is that the analysts make and break companies and CTOs and CIOs take more notice of this than security and price. The defections at the moment are from the thinking types, those that can make a decision based on technology. Now MS has the real problem that will highlight all the real problems with its software (price, security:-) lockin etc) and the evaluation of alternatives will stop looking as being brave.
Anyone deploying Microsoft might get fired.
And as far as DRM and lockin, well even that may come too late for the Beast. Not just because the rest of the world may go a non lockin route but because what are we talking about, the next MS OS being 2005+ or maybe even 2005++. How many more GNU/Linux servers running Apache will power the web, how many Sun Java desktops, how many more Novell/Suse/Ximian solutions will be out there. How amny IBM deployements of whatever OSS combinations will there be. China, Japan, Taiwan, Munich, Texas, Brazil, Peru, Germany, India, etc etc etc etc.... how do you lock out the rest of the world from your websites and sell anything? and what your desktops won't talk to Samba.... mmmmmm ?? Face it the worm has turned, not that its a lay down mozaire, but it is an interesting faze, and SCO, well I've always maintained they are IBM's advertising company. Who'd have believe Linux was any good if it was worth suing everyone for.
The market is about to crucify MS and there is nothing they can do about it. Lose market share, share price goes down, and credibility goes down, BIG time... then the questions will be asked by the clueless and those early adopters of other technologies will be heard. And more and more analyst say some similar things...
Got to feel sorry for MS *choKe*.
"Due to the DMCA please DO NOT submit your tender/job application/report in MSWord format. Please use a friendly format like standard XML/.pdf/.sdw etc. available from and an OpenOffice.org product that is freely available from openoffice.org. Corporate customers may wish to try Sun Staroffice available from Sun.com at a more than resonable price. For detailed instructions please refer to our website using Mozilla"
I've read most of the thread from here and what most missed from the article is that the analysts make and break companies and CTOs and CIOs take more notice of this that security and price. The defections at the moment are from the thinking types, those that can make a decision based on technology. Now MS has the real problem that will highlight all the real problems with its software (price, security:-) lockin etc) and the evaluation of alternatives will stop looking as being brave.
Anyone deploying Microsoft might get fired.
And as far as DRM and lockin, well even that may come too late for the Beast. Not just because the rest of the world may go a non lockin route but because what are we talking about, the next MS OS being 2005+ or maybe even 2005++. How many more GNU/Linux servers running Apache will power the web, how many Sun Java desktops, how many more Novell/Suse/Ximian solutions will be out there. How amny IBM deployements of whatever OSS combinations will there be. China, Japan, Taiwan, Munich, Texas, Brazil, Peru, Germany, India, etc etc etc etc.... how do you lock out the rest of the world from your websites and sell anything??? Face it the worm has turned, not that its a lay down mozaire, but it is in an interesting faze, and SCO, well I've always maintained they are IBM's advertising company. Who'd have believe Linux was any good if it was worth suing everyone for.
The market is about to crucify MS and there is nothing they can do about it. Lose market share, share price goes down, and credibility goes down, BIG time... then the questions will be asked by the clueless and those early adopters of other technologies and then the technos will be heard.
Got to feel sorry for MS *choKe*.
"Due to the DMCA please DO NOT submit your tender/job application/report in MSWord format. Please use a friendly format like standard XML/.pdf/.sdw etc. available from and an OpenOffice.org product that is freely available from openoffice.org. Corporate customers may wish to try Sun Staroffice available from Sun.com at a more than resonable price. For detailed instructions please refer to our website using Mozilla"
Bob sounds battle weary like the rest of us who care and his point anyway is to alert us to the sinister nature of Darls sad view point and that forces are at work who would see Mr McBide's selfish take on copyright enshrined in law. Nothing new here that aside tho' but the message is clear: the proprietory system is under threat and the lobbying must already have started.
I should get modded high for funny coz this should be 5 for interesting coz if you can make sence of it your better than me *but* it sure is intesting... even the sig has is a logical insanity... for now it is legal to think
well as an Australian and as those from India and elsewhere where thriving and growing IT industries are emerging, we think this is great! So you US citizens better get you $H!t together because your going to be out of the race when it comes to innovation in the future - its an ill wind that blows nobody good.
Sure some good points but with a GUI you can have more than 6 shells and play some games in between learning to be a *NIX guru. Personally I find my eyesight has deteriorated since using any GUI and I yearn for the days when all real computing wasn't done on a Mac:-).... but lets face it when most people talk about an OS they mean GUI because unlike you and me and probably still most Linux/UNIX afficionados, people want a desktop for productivity apps (whatever that means:-)
Man, this sort of advice to a newbie is crass... yeh, yeh you're so smart you can make your own but luckily Caldera don't listen to technos and make a commercially available and supported distro that advances the Linux/GNU/GPL cause despite the enemies it aquires from extremists who really think Linux users should be PhD students of computer science who can write it all themselves, make all their own hardware and link to their own internet.
My advice to you is - Get a brain or at least an attitude realignment!
Try Caldera or Mandrake. Caldera makes a good job of being a "commercial" distro and has an all time simple installer. Mandrake is similarly easy and has some nice tools. Either I regard as good and getting better desktop/workstation distros.The next thing you'll need to decide is which desktop (KDE or Gnome) both of which are great however for stability I feel KDE still has the edge.
New Crappy Internet (NCI) - well I like it - this name has definitely got my vote!
As a business person I too am looking at ways to make money from the internet but any lack of imagination on my part IS NOT the fault of the existing Net. I guess many people in business are greedy, shortsighted and have the inability to imagine a world where their interests are not number 1; classic example - Microsoft!
Perhaps the GPL needs a little modification. From what I understand the arguement is that if you were to change software in house (either Govt of business) you have to publish those changes and that work is then freely available and that this will be unacceptable to most organizations. So, why not allow modifications with say a 5 year closed code option providing that it is for "in house use only" - any commercializtion of the code would require publishing. That way the code will eventually be open and free but still allows an organization to develop programs based on GPL'ed code and still the "paid for" component for a reasonable period of time.
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.... just what we needed, another Linux distribution.
Linux: Worth suing everyone for
The article is that the analysts make and break companies and CTOs and CIOs take more notice of this than security and price. The defections at the moment are from the thinking types, those that can make a decision based on technology. Now MS has the real problem that will highlight all the real problems with its software (price, security:-) lockin etc) and the evaluation of alternatives will stop looking as being brave.
Anyone deploying Microsoft might get fired.
And as far as DRM and lockin, well even that may come too late for the Beast. Not just because the rest of the world may go a non lockin route but because what are we talking about, the next MS OS being 2005+ or maybe even 2005++. How many more GNU/Linux servers running Apache will power the web, how many Sun Java desktops, how many more Novell/Suse/Ximian solutions will be out there. How amny IBM deployements of whatever OSS combinations will there be. China, Japan, Taiwan, Munich, Texas, Brazil, Peru, Germany, India, etc etc etc etc.... how do you lock out the rest of the world from your websites and sell anything? and what your desktops won't talk to Samba.... mmmmmm ?? Face it the worm has turned, not that its a lay down mozaire, but it is an interesting faze, and SCO, well I've always maintained they are IBM's advertising company. Who'd have believe Linux was any good if it was worth suing everyone for.
The market is about to crucify MS and there is nothing they can do about it. Lose market share, share price goes down, and credibility goes down, BIG time... then the questions will be asked by the clueless and those early adopters of other technologies will be heard. And more and more analyst say some similar things...
Got to feel sorry for MS *choKe*.
"Due to the DMCA please DO NOT submit your tender/job application/report in MSWord format. Please use a friendly format like standard XML/.pdf/.sdw etc. available from and an OpenOffice.org product that is freely available from openoffice.org. Corporate customers may wish to try Sun Staroffice available from Sun.com at a more than resonable price. For detailed instructions please refer to our website using Mozilla"
Now how good is your lockin now???
I've read most of the thread from here and what most missed from the article is that the analysts make and break companies and CTOs and CIOs take more notice of this that security and price. The defections at the moment are from the thinking types, those that can make a decision based on technology. Now MS has the real problem that will highlight all the real problems with its software (price, security:-) lockin etc) and the evaluation of alternatives will stop looking as being brave.
Anyone deploying Microsoft might get fired.
And as far as DRM and lockin, well even that may come too late for the Beast. Not just because the rest of the world may go a non lockin route but because what are we talking about, the next MS OS being 2005+ or maybe even 2005++. How many more GNU/Linux servers running Apache will power the web, how many Sun Java desktops, how many more Novell/Suse/Ximian solutions will be out there. How amny IBM deployements of whatever OSS combinations will there be. China, Japan, Taiwan, Munich, Texas, Brazil, Peru, Germany, India, etc etc etc etc.... how do you lock out the rest of the world from your websites and sell anything??? Face it the worm has turned, not that its a lay down mozaire, but it is in an interesting faze, and SCO, well I've always maintained they are IBM's advertising company. Who'd have believe Linux was any good if it was worth suing everyone for.
The market is about to crucify MS and there is nothing they can do about it. Lose market share, share price goes down, and credibility goes down, BIG time... then the questions will be asked by the clueless and those early adopters of other technologies and then the technos will be heard.
Got to feel sorry for MS *choKe*.
"Due to the DMCA please DO NOT submit your tender/job application/report in MSWord format. Please use a friendly format like standard XML/.pdf/.sdw etc. available from and an OpenOffice.org product that is freely available from openoffice.org. Corporate customers may wish to try Sun Staroffice available from Sun.com at a more than resonable price. For detailed instructions please refer to our website using Mozilla"
Now how good is your lockin now???
if you want a life get rid of you're computer ... ah, mmm, now what am I going to do? Can Slashdot send me a printed copy?
Bob sounds battle weary like the rest of us who care and his point anyway is to alert us to the sinister nature of Darls sad view point and that forces are at work who would see Mr McBide's selfish take on copyright enshrined in law. Nothing new here that aside tho' but the message is clear: the proprietory system is under threat and the lobbying must already have started.
Don't be afraid but be very alert!
I should get modded high for funny coz this should be 5 for interesting coz if you can make sence of it your better than me *but* it sure is intesting ... even the sig has is a logical insanity ... for now it is legal to think
well as an Australian and as those from India and elsewhere where thriving and growing IT industries are emerging, we think this is great! So you US citizens better get you $H!t together because your going to be out of the race when it comes to innovation in the future - its an ill wind that blows nobody good.
Sure some good points but with a GUI you can have more than 6 shells and play some games in between learning to be a *NIX guru. Personally I find my eyesight has deteriorated since using any GUI and I yearn for the days when all real computing wasn't done on a Mac :-) .... but lets face it when most people talk about an OS they mean GUI because unlike you and me and probably still most Linux/UNIX afficionados, people want a desktop for productivity apps (whatever that means :-)
Man, this sort of advice to a newbie is crass... yeh, yeh you're so smart you can make your own but luckily Caldera don't listen to technos and make a commercially available and supported distro that advances the Linux/GNU/GPL cause despite the enemies it aquires from extremists who really think Linux users should be PhD students of computer science who can write it all themselves, make all their own hardware and link to their own internet. My advice to you is - Get a brain or at least an attitude realignment!
Try Caldera or Mandrake. Caldera makes a good job of being a "commercial" distro and has an all time simple installer. Mandrake is similarly easy and has some nice tools. Either I regard as good and getting better desktop/workstation distros.The next thing you'll need to decide is which desktop (KDE or Gnome) both of which are great however for stability I feel KDE still has the edge.
New Crappy Internet (NCI) - well I like it - this name has definitely got my vote! As a business person I too am looking at ways to make money from the internet but any lack of imagination on my part IS NOT the fault of the existing Net. I guess many people in business are greedy, shortsighted and have the inability to imagine a world where their interests are not number 1; classic example - Microsoft!
Perhaps the GPL needs a little modification. From what I understand the arguement is that if you were to change software in house (either Govt of business) you have to publish those changes and that work is then freely available and that this will be unacceptable to most organizations. So, why not allow modifications with say a 5 year closed code option providing that it is for "in house use only" - any commercializtion of the code would require publishing. That way the code will eventually be open and free but still allows an organization to develop programs based on GPL'ed code and still the "paid for" component for a reasonable period of time.