I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that the bureaucracy that guides the TSA spent far more than is reasonable. I just didn't see enough details in TFA to assume that is actually the case. Does *anyone* have a breakdown on what kind of training, what kind of testing, what kind of devices were purchased?
I've worked in different levels of govt you are 100% correct. The numbers make great headlines, but when you breakdown the costs, there usually is no cheaper way to do it (properly).
Governance adds a big chunk to every project, but with public money it has to be done.
Terrorists: "That's nice. We think we'll detonate our bombs in this nice, crowded security line. Not only will we kill a lot of people, but then you'll shut down this airport for days wrecking even more havoc on people's travel plans."
Always wondered why terrorist chose airports why not a church/synagogue packed with people on a Sunday/Saturday and zero security its easy pickings,
Duh, haven't you heard of God? The guys with the bombs actually believe this creature exists, so it would be foolish to fuck with him.
The question is whether it is truly random or not. If they spent $1.4M and got a truly random result, fine. It's absurdly pricey, but it works. If they spend $1.4M and got the rand() function, then terrorists might be able to exploit it to escape random searches.
The cost doesn't matter since passengers opt in to use this service for a fee. With millions of passengers, all costs are recovered, so there really is no story here.
If you personally are transgender, that's fine, I honestly don't care what you do. It doesn't affect me.
Right up until you want to walk into the same bathroom as my wife.
Why?
I asked my wife and she's fine with it. Maybe your wife should get out more and not be afraid of people who are different?
The bigger issue is that they can no longer see "man entering restroom" and consider it a threat.
Be afraid!!!
Maybe things are different where you are, but a tranny is quite easily distinguishable from a regular man where I live.
Which it will be some of the time. So they have to treat it that way all of the time.
Just like the Muslims right? Some of them are bad, so let's bundle all 1.5 billion of them in the same basket?
What about Catholics, they fuck kids, so how can you let any Catholic near a child?
So you are simply not welcome in there, regardless of how harmless you are. If you walk in, you'll be asked to leave. If you refuse, they can only assume that you're a threat and deal with you accordingly.
If they can leave, they would do so. If not, you'll be asked to leave again at gunpoint.
You probably think that is extreme. You're welcome to argue with them, but if you do, you'll likely get shot. The bullets don't care.
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What you miss is that this is a public safety issue, not a rights issue.
Oh geez you really are a tool....
Big bad guy gonna let his gun do the talking. Are you really that afraid of other people?
The governor of NC chose to side with 51% of his state
This is Republicans in a nut shell. A man talking about a decision another man made on behalf of all women.
I just asked my wife and she it wouldn't bother her, so you can stop talking on behalf of all women thanks.
Also worth noting, in my state, and in most other states there is no law for this, so trannies can use whatever toilet they like. Why is this suddenly a problem now?
That's not quite 100%, though. If your chromosomes and dangly bits agree, though (which is almost everyone), use that restroom or you'll be creeping out the womenfolk.
There is no situation that avoids the creep-out factor though.
Birth gender = Men creeped out by shemale trannies, women creeped out by bodybuilder trannies
Mental gender = Men creeped out by bodybuilder trannies, women creeped out by shemale trannies
Third toilet = Trannies freaked out by each other
So maybe people could just learn to not get freaked out by other humans and the problem will go away?
this is not a rights issue, it is a public safety issue. Men are not allowed to follow women into the ladies room and for good reason.
Only if you believe that gender only comes in two flavours.
And if it really were a public safety issue, then it would be quite obvious to demonstrate by comparing different jurisdiction's criminal or health records yeah?
FWIW, a couple of the 'cool' bars in my town have unisex bathrooms (ie everyone in the same room) and it's never been a problem (not anymore than any other bar at least).
Again I agree. I could never bring myself to buy a Leaf because of how they look. My wife likes them okay, but for me they are just ugly. Some people will no doubt think that about the Tesla Model 3 which just goes to show you that styling is an individual thing. But it's not an EV vs ICE thing... I personally think that the Model 3 is pretty good looking. I think I still need to get used to the nose, but I'm thinking a graphic may fix that!
The nose is probably the one thing that is stopping me from putting a deposit on today.
My car budget is about $40k (USD) but can happily add another $20k if I found something awesome. My immediate impression of the 3 is that is similar in style to the Mazda 3, maybe with a touch of the old Mercedes C class hatch or Porsche Panamera thrown in, but the nose looks wrong.
It needs a grill, even if purely cosmetic so it looks like regular car. The biggest con against EVs is that they look different, something the Telsa S addressed, but with the 3 they are falling into the same old trap.
I took the time to design an elaborate grill that improves the design of the Tesla 3 already. Elon needs to see this: http://s16.postimg.org/z5l1o14...
Asking people, average every day people, to upend their lives for something that won't change within their lifetime, is a tall ask.
No-one is forcing anyone to do anything. EVs are merely cleaner alternatives to combustion engines, you can choose to buy one or you don't.
I think most people would prefer a clean, electric motor to a dirty, noisy ICE. Once prices are close enough, the free market will do the rest.
but from the comments I read, some people think they will drop in price by half, then half again, like computers have.
Well I'm not one of them. I don't expect an EV to be cheaper than an ICE, but I do think it will get close enough that the benefits make it viable for a lot of people.
The "another 30 years" was said back in the 70s, here we are 40 years later
To be fair they are different things. The original peak was conventional domestic supply and that actually happened in the 70's, the next was global supply (conventional) which also happened, where we are now is into unconventional supplies which have to run at some point (or get too expensive to extract).
Then you have people who don't have a garage, only have one car, need more range because they are college kids at school 250 miles away and don't want to worry about it, etc.
American problems. The global vehicle market is much different, and once autonomous cars are viable, they will be electric and a game changer.
Never discount people's emotions. Also don't discount people's desire to "do what they want".
People can go out and buy a car today that has no range issues, you can take that once a year road trip, move across country, etc. all without concerns of fuel or battery power. Now you're telling them, "yea, but it doesn't matter, 99% of your trips are less than 100 miles, you'll be fine".
American problems. The world can handle 50% EVs even if not one single American buys one.
You can sit down and eat a balanced meal like a robot, or you can have a Japanese tea ceremony that is meant to inspire the 5 senses.
You're going to have to take my word for it, there's nothing robotic about fucking hot young sluts. The magic still happens.
Sex with workers is comparable to eating at a restaurant. I mean how can you truly appreciate the magic your wife's cooking once you've eaten someone else's food?
I can't see most Americans taking to the European lifestyle (or Canadian). Germany in particular takes regulation to an entirely new level.
The fact that you've generalised entire continents and countries in one sentence makes this sound a little silly. Life can be completely different in different suburbs, let alone different cities, states or countries.
The US has some nice spots, but then so do most countries.
Most American pet owners would last all of 5 minutes in Germany.
Most Americans wouldn't last 5 minutes outside of a fast food restuarant. I'm only half joking here, but Americans are notoriously useless at adapting to other cultures.
You've simply bought into a carefully crafted narrative.
Eh? What?
Israel is a nation full of ambitious geeks.
You're not selling it....
Places like New Zealand, Canada, or Norway just don't have the resources or drive to contribute like Israel does.
Fucking hell, we clearly have different requirements for 'nice places to live'. 'Drive to contribute' features nowhere on my list of must haves. But being relatively free of religious nutbags is.
There's no need to destroy the world's greatest R&D engine just because you want a free handout.
An 'R&D engine' mostly founded by European expats:)
Since when did cars becomes computers that get cheaper and faster each year?
Is there a law of economics that says EVs will become cheaper than gas cars, but gas cars will just keep getting expensive?
Cars aren't computers, but all technology gets better with time, and EVs are still not what I'd call a mature technology. So you have to admit that there is room to move there.
We also know that oil doesn't last forever. I know we've been hearing about peak oil for decades, but the premise is still true. At some point oil production will peak, and when that day comes (even if it takes another 30 years), EVs get a lay down misere.
but there is no assurance they will become cheaper than gas cars.
They don't have to be cheaper because EVs don't have to account for 100% market share. The advantages of EVs are worth paying a small premium for IMO, and If the EV market grows to 50% then it's going to be a win for the likes of Tesla.
3. Even if they do (and I don't think it would be within 10 years), then you have other issues, such as range.
Range isn't really an issue for most people. It is for some, but most people travel less than 300km/day. This is purely an emotional position for a good chunk of the population.
4. Keep in mind that Nissan has thrown everything and the kitchen sink at the Leaf to move units,
The Leaf looks disgusting. I want an EV but I wouldn't have one of those if you paid me. So you are right there is more to it than price, most people want a car that looks good too.
It does not follow that if the government had more money that they'd be spending it on social safety nets. It does not matter the government, it simply does not follow. It is not necessarily true that they'd be more inclined to feed the hungry than they would be to make a down payment on yet-another-expensive-defense-project.
That will still help. Because even expensive defense project money eventually finds it's way into local contractor and employee pockets, and those people buy things with that money and pay taxes, and then the people working in the stores earn more money and also buy things and pay more taxes. Eventually some poor person somewhere gets a slice of bread (even if that person is in China).
Now you could argue that if the company pays less tax, it can spend more money on projects and the same result applies, but a government is more likely to include public education in it's spend, and ultimately that is the difference between us an the apes. So I prefer the govt gets it's share at some point.
Everyone who is not doing it, has his own reasons, probably just o lazy to do the paper work or lack of trust in the the lawyers needed in the "destination country".
Half of the world live on less than $2/day, I'm sure there's probably other reasons than not trusting your lawyer...
You might be right, but if that is the case, they are going to have trouble selling millions of them.
The question becomes, what is the goal? Musk claims it is to change transportation for all. But that won't happen as long as it remains expensive.
With strategy it pays to think less about current position and more about trajectory. We know EVs are getting cheaper and will continue to do so with scale, so at some point there is a threshold that makes an EV a more attractive proposition for most people. It might not this year or in the next 5, but I think it will be in the next 10.
The Model 3 could easily replace the car, except that it is smaller than our full size car and costs more.
An Audi R8 does too though right?
I pay $347 a month for my car and that was with nothing down
The Tesla market isn't people who want the cheapest possible car for their money. It's a new and interesting segment and as such will attract people who don't mind paying a premium for something new and interesting.
The things that take on mystical qualities are that way because we treat them with cultural reverence. To treat sex and love as purely mechanical release of chemicals takes all the beauty away from it.
Sex is just like eating. Our bodies crave it and satiating that hunger allows you to focus on the other things in life. Treating sex as magic sounds just as silly as treating thunderstorms as magic.
Do you also have the same opinion towards say nursing? I mean a nurse cares for sick people, do they care for their own family less because the magic of caring is diluted by their work?
I don't really agree with prostitution on moral terms, but yeah you shouldn't be arrested for it. Legalization definitely seems the safer route because it's not going away whether you legalize or not.
What is the moral issue? Shouldn't a consenting adult should be allowed to use their body for whatever like (as long is it doesn't hurt others)?
How about "citations" proving all the bold counter claims?
You made the claims bub, don't try and weasel out now...
I'm not saying that the idea was a bad one, I'm saying that it didn't bloody work. a reference
You didn't even read the your own citation did you? In your own citation it actually says it went down in developed countries such as Australia.
If you read past the headline, it went up in undeveloped countries like China and Pakistan, and their numbers skew the global average. But based on your study that you cited, legalised prostitution has lowered trafficking rates in countries like Australia, NZ and in Europe.
Show me evidence to the contrary and I'll re-evaluate.
Your own citation. Maybe you want to read it fully before you embarrass yourself further.
Attitudes like yours really piss me off.
What attitudes are they, the ones that question people who tell lies or can't read?
ex convicts are barred from social services in Oklahoma in many cases, cannot vote in elections, and are frequently required to pay restitution for their incarceration.
what Bates did was to issue biblical retribution for a victimless crime.
I'm surprised that in a country which such lax rules on firearm ownership, this guy doesn't already have a bullet between his eyes.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that the bureaucracy that guides the TSA spent far more than is reasonable. I just didn't see enough details in TFA to assume that is actually the case. Does *anyone* have a breakdown on what kind of training, what kind of testing, what kind of devices were purchased?
I've worked in different levels of govt you are 100% correct. The numbers make great headlines, but when you breakdown the costs, there usually is no cheaper way to do it (properly).
Governance adds a big chunk to every project, but with public money it has to be done.
The TSA's employees need training on an app that randomly tells people to go left or right?
Yes, so what is your alternative? Hiring people that aren't as dumb as posts will cost you more than $1.4 mil.
Terrorists: "That's nice. We think we'll detonate our bombs in this nice, crowded security line. Not only will we kill a lot of people, but then you'll shut down this airport for days wrecking even more havoc on people's travel plans."
Always wondered why terrorist chose airports why not a church/synagogue packed with people on a Sunday/Saturday and zero security its easy pickings,
Duh, haven't you heard of God? The guys with the bombs actually believe this creature exists, so it would be foolish to fuck with him.
The question is whether it is truly random or not. If they spent $1.4M and got a truly random result, fine. It's absurdly pricey, but it works. If they spend $1.4M and got the rand() function, then terrorists might be able to exploit it to escape random searches.
The cost doesn't matter since passengers opt in to use this service for a fee. With millions of passengers, all costs are recovered, so there really is no story here.
I have a $0.01 alternative to this randomizer app.... Flip a fair coin. Designate one side of the penny Heads, and the other side tails....
Also, even if they have 50,000 pre-check lanes, the total cost is still only $500.
How many coin flippers do you need and how much do you have to pay each of them?
If you personally are transgender, that's fine, I honestly don't care what you do. It doesn't affect me.
Right up until you want to walk into the same bathroom as my wife.
Why?
I asked my wife and she's fine with it. Maybe your wife should get out more and not be afraid of people who are different?
The bigger issue is that they can no longer see "man entering restroom" and consider it a threat.
Be afraid!!!
Maybe things are different where you are, but a tranny is quite easily distinguishable from a regular man where I live.
Which it will be some of the time. So they have to treat it that way all of the time.
Just like the Muslims right? Some of them are bad, so let's bundle all 1.5 billion of them in the same basket?
What about Catholics, they fuck kids, so how can you let any Catholic near a child?
So you are simply not welcome in there, regardless of how harmless you are. If you walk in, you'll be asked to leave. If you refuse, they can only assume that you're a threat and deal with you accordingly. If they can leave, they would do so. If not, you'll be asked to leave again at gunpoint.
You probably think that is extreme. You're welcome to argue with them, but if you do, you'll likely get shot. The bullets don't care.
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What you miss is that this is a public safety issue, not a rights issue.
Oh geez you really are a tool....
Big bad guy gonna let his gun do the talking. Are you really that afraid of other people?
The governor of NC chose to side with 51% of his state
This is Republicans in a nut shell. A man talking about a decision another man made on behalf of all women.
I just asked my wife and she it wouldn't bother her, so you can stop talking on behalf of all women thanks.
Also worth noting, in my state, and in most other states there is no law for this, so trannies can use whatever toilet they like. Why is this suddenly a problem now?
That's not quite 100%, though. If your chromosomes and dangly bits agree, though (which is almost everyone), use that restroom or you'll be creeping out the womenfolk.
There is no situation that avoids the creep-out factor though.
Birth gender = Men creeped out by shemale trannies, women creeped out by bodybuilder trannies
Mental gender = Men creeped out by bodybuilder trannies, women creeped out by shemale trannies
Third toilet = Trannies freaked out by each other
So maybe people could just learn to not get freaked out by other humans and the problem will go away?
this is not a rights issue, it is a public safety issue. Men are not allowed to follow women into the ladies room and for good reason.
Only if you believe that gender only comes in two flavours.
And if it really were a public safety issue, then it would be quite obvious to demonstrate by comparing different jurisdiction's criminal or health records yeah?
FWIW, a couple of the 'cool' bars in my town have unisex bathrooms (ie everyone in the same room) and it's never been a problem (not anymore than any other bar at least).
Again I agree. I could never bring myself to buy a Leaf because of how they look. My wife likes them okay, but for me they are just ugly. Some people will no doubt think that about the Tesla Model 3 which just goes to show you that styling is an individual thing. But it's not an EV vs ICE thing... I personally think that the Model 3 is pretty good looking. I think I still need to get used to the nose, but I'm thinking a graphic may fix that!
The nose is probably the one thing that is stopping me from putting a deposit on today. My car budget is about $40k (USD) but can happily add another $20k if I found something awesome. My immediate impression of the 3 is that is similar in style to the Mazda 3, maybe with a touch of the old Mercedes C class hatch or Porsche Panamera thrown in, but the nose looks wrong.
It needs a grill, even if purely cosmetic so it looks like regular car. The biggest con against EVs is that they look different, something the Telsa S addressed, but with the 3 they are falling into the same old trap.
I took the time to design an elaborate grill that improves the design of the Tesla 3 already. Elon needs to see this: http://s16.postimg.org/z5l1o14...
Or do you think oil will last forever?
Of course not, but it will outlast me.
Asking people, average every day people, to upend their lives for something that won't change within their lifetime, is a tall ask.
No-one is forcing anyone to do anything. EVs are merely cleaner alternatives to combustion engines, you can choose to buy one or you don't.
I think most people would prefer a clean, electric motor to a dirty, noisy ICE. Once prices are close enough, the free market will do the rest.
but from the comments I read, some people think they will drop in price by half, then half again, like computers have.
Well I'm not one of them. I don't expect an EV to be cheaper than an ICE, but I do think it will get close enough that the benefits make it viable for a lot of people.
The "another 30 years" was said back in the 70s, here we are 40 years later
To be fair they are different things. The original peak was conventional domestic supply and that actually happened in the 70's, the next was global supply (conventional) which also happened, where we are now is into unconventional supplies which have to run at some point (or get too expensive to extract).
Then you have people who don't have a garage, only have one car, need more range because they are college kids at school 250 miles away and don't want to worry about it, etc.
American problems. The global vehicle market is much different, and once autonomous cars are viable, they will be electric and a game changer.
Never discount people's emotions. Also don't discount people's desire to "do what they want".
People can go out and buy a car today that has no range issues, you can take that once a year road trip, move across country, etc. all without concerns of fuel or battery power. Now you're telling them, "yea, but it doesn't matter, 99% of your trips are less than 100 miles, you'll be fine".
American problems. The world can handle 50% EVs even if not one single American buys one.
You can sit down and eat a balanced meal like a robot, or you can have a Japanese tea ceremony that is meant to inspire the 5 senses.
You're going to have to take my word for it, there's nothing robotic about fucking hot young sluts. The magic still happens.
Sex with workers is comparable to eating at a restaurant. I mean how can you truly appreciate the magic your wife's cooking once you've eaten someone else's food?
I can't see most Americans taking to the European lifestyle (or Canadian). Germany in particular takes regulation to an entirely new level.
The fact that you've generalised entire continents and countries in one sentence makes this sound a little silly. Life can be completely different in different suburbs, let alone different cities, states or countries.
The US has some nice spots, but then so do most countries.
Most American pet owners would last all of 5 minutes in Germany.
Most Americans wouldn't last 5 minutes outside of a fast food restuarant. I'm only half joking here, but Americans are notoriously useless at adapting to other cultures.
You've simply bought into a carefully crafted narrative.
Eh? What?
Israel is a nation full of ambitious geeks.
You're not selling it....
Places like New Zealand, Canada, or Norway just don't have the resources or drive to contribute like Israel does.
Fucking hell, we clearly have different requirements for 'nice places to live'. 'Drive to contribute' features nowhere on my list of must haves. But being relatively free of religious nutbags is.
There's no need to destroy the world's greatest R&D engine just because you want a free handout.
An 'R&D engine' mostly founded by European expats :)
To say his prediction never happened would be an understatement.
Yet.
Or do you think oil will last forever?
We do?
Since when did cars becomes computers that get cheaper and faster each year?
Is there a law of economics that says EVs will become cheaper than gas cars, but gas cars will just keep getting expensive?
Cars aren't computers, but all technology gets better with time, and EVs are still not what I'd call a mature technology. So you have to admit that there is room to move there. We also know that oil doesn't last forever. I know we've been hearing about peak oil for decades, but the premise is still true. At some point oil production will peak, and when that day comes (even if it takes another 30 years), EVs get a lay down misere.
but there is no assurance they will become cheaper than gas cars.
They don't have to be cheaper because EVs don't have to account for 100% market share. The advantages of EVs are worth paying a small premium for IMO, and If the EV market grows to 50% then it's going to be a win for the likes of Tesla.
3. Even if they do (and I don't think it would be within 10 years), then you have other issues, such as range.
Range isn't really an issue for most people. It is for some, but most people travel less than 300km/day. This is purely an emotional position for a good chunk of the population.
4. Keep in mind that Nissan has thrown everything and the kitchen sink at the Leaf to move units,
The Leaf looks disgusting. I want an EV but I wouldn't have one of those if you paid me. So you are right there is more to it than price, most people want a car that looks good too.
Non sequitur... It does not follow. Literally.
It does not follow that if the government had more money that they'd be spending it on social safety nets. It does not matter the government, it simply does not follow. It is not necessarily true that they'd be more inclined to feed the hungry than they would be to make a down payment on yet-another-expensive-defense-project.
That will still help. Because even expensive defense project money eventually finds it's way into local contractor and employee pockets, and those people buy things with that money and pay taxes, and then the people working in the stores earn more money and also buy things and pay more taxes. Eventually some poor person somewhere gets a slice of bread (even if that person is in China).
Now you could argue that if the company pays less tax, it can spend more money on projects and the same result applies, but a government is more likely to include public education in it's spend, and ultimately that is the difference between us an the apes. So I prefer the govt gets it's share at some point.
Everyone who is not doing it, has his own reasons, probably just o lazy to do the paper work or lack of trust in the the lawyers needed in the "destination country".
Half of the world live on less than $2/day, I'm sure there's probably other reasons than not trusting your lawyer...
You might be right, but if that is the case, they are going to have trouble selling millions of them.
The question becomes, what is the goal? Musk claims it is to change transportation for all. But that won't happen as long as it remains expensive.
With strategy it pays to think less about current position and more about trajectory. We know EVs are getting cheaper and will continue to do so with scale, so at some point there is a threshold that makes an EV a more attractive proposition for most people. It might not this year or in the next 5, but I think it will be in the next 10.
The Model 3 could easily replace the car, except that it is smaller than our full size car and costs more.
An Audi R8 does too though right?
I pay $347 a month for my car and that was with nothing down
The Tesla market isn't people who want the cheapest possible car for their money. It's a new and interesting segment and as such will attract people who don't mind paying a premium for something new and interesting.
The things that take on mystical qualities are that way because we treat them with cultural reverence. To treat sex and love as purely mechanical release of chemicals takes all the beauty away from it.
Sex is just like eating. Our bodies crave it and satiating that hunger allows you to focus on the other things in life. Treating sex as magic sounds just as silly as treating thunderstorms as magic.
Do you also have the same opinion towards say nursing? I mean a nurse cares for sick people, do they care for their own family less because the magic of caring is diluted by their work?
Unfortunately I can't think of anywhere in the world I'd like to live in other than the US- Israel and England come close though.
Why are you Jewish? Or have you just not travelled much?
I don't really agree with prostitution on moral terms, but yeah you shouldn't be arrested for it. Legalization definitely seems the safer route because it's not going away whether you legalize or not.
What is the moral issue? Shouldn't a consenting adult should be allowed to use their body for whatever like (as long is it doesn't hurt others)?
How about "citations" proving all the bold counter claims?
You made the claims bub, don't try and weasel out now...
I'm not saying that the idea was a bad one, I'm saying that it didn't bloody work. a reference
You didn't even read the your own citation did you? In your own citation it actually says it went down in developed countries such as Australia.
If you read past the headline, it went up in undeveloped countries like China and Pakistan, and their numbers skew the global average. But based on your study that you cited, legalised prostitution has lowered trafficking rates in countries like Australia, NZ and in Europe.
Show me evidence to the contrary and I'll re-evaluate.
Your own citation. Maybe you want to read it fully before you embarrass yourself further.
Attitudes like yours really piss me off.
What attitudes are they, the ones that question people who tell lies or can't read?
ex convicts are barred from social services in Oklahoma in many cases, cannot vote in elections, and are frequently required to pay restitution for their incarceration. what Bates did was to issue biblical retribution for a victimless crime.
I'm surprised that in a country which such lax rules on firearm ownership, this guy doesn't already have a bullet between his eyes.