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Canadian Startup Uses Trump to Lure Tech Workers (siliconbeat.com)
An anonymous reader writes: A Canadian startup "is using Republican front-runner Donald Trump in its latest campaign to recruit tech talent," reports Silicon Beat. The company's site claims that 31% of Americans they'd surveyed would consider moving to Canada if Trump were elected President. "Now, while we don't think Americans will actually move en masse to Canada if the election doesn't go their way, we do want to extend an offer. Because it's the polite, Canadian thing to do." The Washington Post reported a surge in Google searches in March for "how can I move to Canada," actually slowing down the Canadian government's immigration web site.
Meanwhile, a coalition of Canadian mayors is visiting California this week to promote Canada's booming technology sector. Toronto's mayor told Bloomberg, "The embracing of diversity as opposed to it being some sort of political issue is a huge advantage we have."
Obviously, they don't understand what "Consider" means. If Trump is elected, some people will think about moving to Canada. If he isn't, they wouldn't even think about it.
its snowing in June in Canada who would move there ..
New Zealand might be a better idea... or some other place in a different hemisphere
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
Good riddance, I think most Americans would say to this. The people that would actually up and move to Canada are exactly the cause of the problem that Trump is offering to fix for America - namely, the loss of our backbone and willingness to do the right thing even if it is temporarily painful or adversely affects a small number of people for the greater good - are the people we'd be better off without. These are the people who believe everyone should get a participation trophy in everything they do, and we should never rank or grade people for fear of offending somebody. They think that wealth is evil and anyone that is successful is that way because they lied or cheated to get there. We need to encourage these people to get the fuck out, and build a wall behind them after they leave because you know within a couple of years they'll be trying to clamber back.
No marijuana, no deal.
Unless Monsieur Trudeau's gonna changer that.
Demographic pressure killing their language laws via exported democracy would be the best and most satisfying outcome of liberals fleeing the US.
92% of startups fail in the first 3 years. Can a startup afford to install a safe space around every desk before the next election cycle.
Honestly, the hysteria from these anti-Trump people is hilarious. They're one chalk scribbled MAGA away from having a nervous breakdown.
Trump is unlikely to reach 1,237 delegates. He was on track until losing Ohio to Kasich. Wisconsin is another state Trump very much needs to win, but Cruz is likely to win there. Trump is unlikely to pull an upset in any states going forward because he's consistently underperformed his polling numbers. Trump will likely face a contested convention, winning only about 1,200 pledged delegates. After no candidate wins on the first ballot, delegates will be free to switch their vote. Trump is unpopular and will probably lose delegates on subsequent votes rather than gain them. Trump is unlikely to be the Republican nominee.
Let's say he gets the nomination, somehow. In polls about general election scenarios, Trump trails Clinton by double digits and Sanders by even bigger margins. Although Sanders is quite a long shot to win the Democratic nomination, Clinton would probably defeat Trump in a landslide.
It's actually very unlikely that Trump will become President. It's not even likely that Trump is the Republican nominee. Those who are wanting to leave the US because of a potential Trump presidency are fools.
Hell I was ready to leave the US a decade ago. Though, if Trump wins I'm more likely to stay.
It's a bit much to call them a tech company. They're an ad company. Pulling publicity stunts like this isn't surprising for an advertiser.
I saw it in my Facebook feed the other day and thought it was amusing, but considering no one left when either Bush or Obama was elected, I don't think they're going to get many new applicants. Also, they're an ad company, so they can fuck themselves.
When 50% of the TSXV companies have valuations less than a well optioned Mercedes S-class and 75% have valuations less than the average American home, you can hardly say "booming".
Sure, it's easy to say they would take the tech workers. But would Canada gladly take the 10 million illegal immigrants who may not be as skilled? Those are the ones who really want to flee Trump.
when we need them??
New Zealand might be a better idea... or some other place in a different hemisphere
That won't help, because like... the atmospheres of the two hemispheres are connected.
You need to go someplace where that Trump can't affect you.
I don't think that's possible. I mean, the sea will be poisoned, the air will burn, famine and pestilence will be everywhere... it'll just be a mess.
You might try that apocalypse condo in Kansas, and see if you can wait things out.
This assumes, of course, that Earth systems can recover and there will be a future time when you can walk outdoors alone and unaided. Then again, there will probably be a lot of others who had to turn to feral cannibalism to survive.
It doesn't look good for you, even the Earth's microorganisms are starting to wonder whether they will survive.
You can avoid a lot of needless pain and suffering if you think things through.
You might ask yourself the question: do you *really* want to live in a world post-Trump?
After Trump builds the Great American Wall, we will build a Great Mexican Catapult and launch the people who are running from justice in Mexico straight into Canada rather than just across the border into the US.
Trump is unpopular and will probably lose delegates on subsequent votes rather than gain them. Trump is unlikely to be the Republican nominee.
If Trump has the vast majority of support from primary voters, and doesn't get the nomination due to skulduggery, there will be rioting in the streets.
You say he's unpopular, but only to the 1%ers.
A very large, very scary crowd of people want to see him run.
Be afraid of changing the rules, or of having the appearance of a non-voting process.
Be very afraid.
claims that 31% of Americans they'd surveyed would consider moving to Canada if Foo were elected President.
As has been said every 4 years for the last few decades.
Is there someplace I can donate money to make this happen?
Are all those people who moved to Canada when Obama was elected planning to move back?
Until they realize the salary discrepancy between US and Canada ...
You're not going to get very many good workers that don't like Trump.
It's been my observation that those who work hardest, and have the most skill either don't care about politics at all, or they like Trump.
Trump has consistently come out on our side, on this one. He doesn't like the fact that wages are being artificially lowered in high skilled professions. He wants American workers to have first priority of any job, and for the H1b Program to be revised so that it's no longer abused by billionaires. Also, he has a softer stance on intellectual property restrictions than Obama (or any democrat for that matter) does, which is important to both open source and freedom of speech. He did come out on the wrong side of the encryption debate, but in his defence... it's a complicated topic.
He's also called for less fraud, waste, and abuse in government, which means more and better software for the plebs like us that write the stuff. And that means more work. The wall he's proposing is also employment positive for programmers, nerds, and IT, as is Keystone XL, which he's in favor of.
I understand the populist Left, but they have yet to propose anything that benefits me as a common programmer and knowledge worker personally. Trump has proposed a dozen unrelated things that do. And I think the overwhelming majority of the tech community is smart enough to see that.
With the industry the way it exists today, my honest feeling is that less domestic competition from people who would rather go to Canada, than stick it out is a good thing. So I encourage all far Left liberal tech workers to at least take offers like this seriously, and consider them. But the way I see it, our professional world gets better if someone with a billionaire’s mindset is running the economy. Not worse.
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please move to canada!
please!
Good riddance.
One of the most hilarious things is that a lot of Mexican people have been pushing for stronger borders for a long time because it will cut off the cartel's profits which are used to subvert Mexico's politicians and buy off the police.
Then literally retarding liberals cry foul and try to be offended on the behalf of Mexicans who actually like Trump's plan. One Cartel leader even offered a bounty for Trump's head.
Seem to me like only evil or stupid people hate Trump...
Trump's an idiot, but people don't up and move countries unless there's a serious economic reason to do so, or their safety or lives are at risk. And I don't think that'll happen with Trump... at least not for the first four years.
The Trump ad is a publicity stunt, not anything serious.
Trump says he will build a wall on our southern border and enforce our immigration laws.
Trump says he will enforce the H1B program in the way it was intended instead of allowing foreign workers to take American jobs.
Trump says he will halt immigration of Islamists until we can be sure they are not radicalized.
Trump says he will allow health insurance companies to compete across state lines and take other measures to make health care affordable.
Trump says he will renegotiate trade pacts that do not favor the United States.
Trump says he will reform the VA and ensure our vets get the care they were promised.
Maybe you can actually post some more things he said about what he is going to do. Those seem to be the main things that I've heard. Not sure what is so scary about any of that.
This election for me is about the rule of law. Either we are a country where everyone is equal under the law and laws have to be obeyed, or we are not. It's as simple as that. All the talk about Trump being a fascist is way off base. Trump doesn't have a fascist organization behind him. He's got no brown shirts or brigades, it's just the democratic process and some people reckoning that at least he might do some of things he has promised.
If nothing else, a Trump presidency would shake up the Washington first virus that has infected both parties.
This is just a smart recruiting ad. If they get their name out there and a few people apply all the better... I am guessing they don't really care about trump.
Trump will just take over Canada and Mexico.
Now do you want to be on the mexcien front? NK?
Billionaire's mindset? Draft Bloomberg or Buffet.
With Trump what you get is an entitled misogynist brat mindset. His entire political process is to listen to angry people and then sell them a fantasist's parody solution to their fears; a wall to keep out the invaders, locking down the internet, torture as retribution..l
Trump wants America to be his trophy wife. He's going to make you so happy, baby. It's going to be beautiful. You're going to be so rich. Everyone will fear us. It's just you and him against the world. What do you mean, you don't want to have sex with him? He's got no problem there, he guarantees it. If you don't want to have sex with him you must be disgusting, a terrible human. He wishes someone would punch you in the mouth, seriously. He'll pay the legal fees.
K/W, the hate centre of Canada! Don't believe me? Search the Kitchener Waterloo records for stories on hate. Moving here (I live here... ugh) to avoid Trump's hate is jumping from the firepan into the fire. Did you know the guy who tested our hate speech laws with a book and website denying the holocaust is from here? No! Welcome to Berlin... sorry, Kitchener (Old habits die hard! This place really was Berlin, Ontario... seriously!)
And not Mexico? I wonder why.
Most of them are "progressive" idiots...Canada can HAVE EM!
It doesnt matter if sortable wants to hire US or foreign citizens, and sortable knows it. What sortable is doing is casting their net for canadian employees using the widest outlets: American media.
the fact is that while you may have qualified to immigrate to canada in the past, after the 2008 economic collapse most of canadas immigration schedules for knowledge workers changed substantially. This was partly done by conservative leaders in canada at the behest of US leaders to prevent a potentially fatal brain-drain from the US. it was also partly done as a way to shore up domestic employment numbers after the Governor General prorogued the house of commons. You see, once Steven Harper let the cat out of the bag and posted record Canadian economic losses, conservative party leaders got an easy pass to clip immigration law in the hopes of shoring up harpers PM confidence after what was widely seen as a narrow miss to send him back to his constituency.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Since the jobs would move away why not follow them?
Vote Trump - for the Atlantic City Casino Boss who cares. Yeah right.
Europe and Canada would love to have all those progressive tech workers that keep talking about European health care and European rail systems and European government services and social responsibility and recycling and social safety nets and renewable energy. But when push comes to shove, very few of those progressive tech workers actually move, because they realize that their after tax incomes and standard of living would likely drop precipitously and that those places are far from the open minded, progressive nirvanas they fantasize about.
So, my wish is: progressives, please follow through on your threats of leaving, instead of trying to turn the US into the kinds of places you yourself don't actually want to live in.
Contrary to the widely-known meme, diversity is not strength. It is a weakness — a society consisting of people from different countries and races can break apart much too easily along the ethnic and religious lines, with each group "othering" the rest.
It does provide for a nicer variety of available restaurants and decorative styles, but a "strength" it is not. It is a luxury, that drains the society's resources — both monetary and the less tangible. The US is admirably good at handling it, but don't fool yourself — a strength it is not.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I'm a U.S. citizen. I worked in Canada for a few years. U.S. tax law is crazy. The IRS taxes everything you make regardless of where you make it. Canada tax law is somewhat sane and taxes based on (1) where you earn it, and (2) where you reside (which is why all the Canadians working in the U.S. have to be careful not to spend more than half their time in Canada, lest they become Canadian residents and owe Canadian taxes on their U.S. income).
The net result is double taxation. Canada taxes you because you made the money in Canada and (for the purposes of this story) you're living in Canada. The U.S. taxes you because you're a U.S. citizen. Now, there is a tax treaty between the two countries which lets you take the taxes paid in one country and use it as a tax credit in the other. Since Canadian taxes are higher, you basically pay the Canadian taxes and don't owe U.S. taxes. But the treaty only covers earned income (wages). It doesn't cover unearned income (interest, capital gains, etc). Have an interest-bearing bank account? Double taxed. Sell some of your stock portfolio at a profit? Double taxed. Buy a house, then sell it a few years later at a profit? Double taxed. Get married and have kids who are dual citizens by birth and one of them decides to move back to the U.S. when he's an adult? He'll be double taxed (have to pay U.S.back taxes) on all the unearned income he made while living in Canada from when he was 18 til when he decided to move.
On top of that, you'll experience the joy of having to pay a specialist CPA who is licensed in both countries, because you sure as hell aren't going to be able to figure out how to file your taxes correctly by yourself. I was fortunate to find one who was willing to do it for "only" $500, but my taxes were simple. It's not uncommon for this to cost $1000 or more. (Note: the better employers will help you out with this - either providing a CPA or directing you to one and they'll cover the filing expenses.)
If you're gonna flee to Canada on principle, you're gonna have to go all the way. Apply for Canadian citizenship and renounce your U.S. citizenship.
You might as well move to Canada. Your job moved overseas when Obama was elected. Ha!
Few years ago talking with someone that retired, took vacation in Vancouver and loved the city, "I'm selling my home in Silicon Valley for lotsa bux and moving to Canada!" Whup, not so fast. Canada just doesn't let anyone move in, she was doing ping pong back and forth (live a few months in Vancouver but had to leave and live a few months more down here). I don't know all the details (and I didn't read article here) but Canada is pretty restrictive on who moves in. I heard there are exceptions like just before Hong Kong handed over to China, they allowed lots of people to move to Canada (though smooth transition as they were UK citizens). I also heard Canada has an unwritten policy prohibiting blacks moving into Canada.
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You're not going to get very many good workers that don't like Trump.
It's been my observation that those who work hardest, and have the most skill either don't care about politics at all, or they like Trump
I disagree strongly, in fact from what I've seen the most fervent supporters of Trump are the people who haven't had the professional success they expect and are looking for somewhere to put the blame
Normally I do not like to disclose whom I support, except this time
I am for Donald J. Trump
Many of the successful old timers, the compatriots in the tech fields, are supporting Trump as well
You've got nothin' in comparing to us, kid - neither in professional sense, nor the experience we've gotten, nor the wealth we've accumulate
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
The more American assholes move to Canada, the better off America will be. Maybe Obama will move to Canada also. One can dream, right?
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
just go vote to make sure he doesn't get elected, how difficult can it be?
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
" "The embracing of diversity as opposed to it being some sort of political issue is a huge advantage we have.""
The diversity of requiring French be the primary language in Quebec, right?
Whatever
Rummy ran a great campaign to conquer and pacify Iraq. It was in great shape before Obama got hold of it. By handing it to the ayatollah he created the civil wars we now see. The bank bailout was necessary. The only bad part was that Obama never broke them up afterward. He has years of market stability and economic recovery in which to do it.
For cryin' out loud, this is just senseless hyperbole. Nobody is going to uproot themselves and move to another country just because Trump gets elected. The President is temporary. Moving to another country is not so temporary, and no reasonable person is going to go through that just because Trump gets elected.
Citations missing.
So, you think, the First Amendment protects a school principal's decision to ban American flag, but would like to ban religious people from running for office?
I'm afraid, your understanding of laws and ethics is just as messed up as your sexuality...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Trump is so twisted and ignorant that I want to run like hell to almost any other nation if he is elected. He is a liar and an egomaniac and will try to turn the uS into a fascist nation. I would also expect a total collapse of the economic system. Recently he ranted about a deliberate devaluation of the dollar to enable us to compete with China. How many people understand, that the path to devaluing the dollar would be deliberate, high, rates of inflation? In essence, he wants to cut your paychecks in half. And if you get raises to compensate for inflation then you will be pushed into a much higher tax bracket. With inflation your property tax will also go way up as suddenly your property will be worth a lot more, low value dollars.
I'm sure they'll love the snow.
Most Silicon Valley techies I know are very much libertarian and have never been enraptured by either Democrats or Republicans. They are used to being "odd man out" politically.
If that's your position. Heaven help you.
I thought the move to Canada crowd were nothing but the adult versions of toddlers throwing tantrums for not getting their way, but if you actually sit down and pay attention to the approach Trump is taking, and the sort of man he is...
I attended a talk by a holocaust survivor and her point was, "Hitler was nicer."
there is no reason to make up numbers that are not realistic.
I know, right? Expecting someone to do at least as well as the market is just stupid, right? Everyone does worse than the average!
That doesn't mean that you shouldn't lead the charge, try to refactor the thing.
oh do please tell us what refactors donald has in mind to make things better. be specific please
True.
However say what you want about him, but he has been pretty successful building the "Trump" brand. If all he did was S&P he might be worth more money, however he would also be unknown and probably not running pretty successfully for President (relatively speaking).
Considering so many important things in the world is based on perceived value, confidence, and opinion, Trump has a way of lying pretty successfully...
However when your competition (republicans) is so terrible, it is hard not to come off smelling like roses no matter what you do or say. I expect the Democrats to win by probably one of the largest landslides in US history. Perhaps that will shake up the republican party enough into reality.
Most Canadians are alright with said Americans moving north. As for throwing a fit, yeah, that's the issue with the past fucks who made this claim they'd move - but you haven't really been paying attention to Trump, who he is surrounding himself with, and what his supporters will do - if you think it's the same with Trump.
Nazi comparisons are abound in every election, and it's always made me sick, but this year they're quite apt and terrifyingly so. Don't simplify tell yourself you know enough about Hitler's rise. Review it, review the methods used, the type of supporters, etc.
It can happen again.
It can happen in America.
And it starts like this.
Given that your government's immigration site is being overwhelmed, the idea of at least some of these Americans moving north would seem to me more than hot air. You may want to develop a more forgiving perspective before they're your neighbors or life is going to suck for you when you're the only asshole in the neighborhood.
Then again, I sense, you already are.
It makes me wonder what the median age of Slashdot is now compared to when founded in 1997. Almost 20 years have passed.
PopeRatzo wrote:
If Donald Trump had taken the million dollars he was give by his father and just invested it in a S&P index fund, he'd be worth $10,000,000,000 more than he is right now. Yes, when you're business has underperformed the stock market over a 30 year period by that much, you are a shitty business man.
1968 is the year Donald Trump graduated from Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania.
A million dollars invested in 1968 into an index fund following the S&P would be worth about $74 million in 2013. Yes, MILLLIONS, not BILLIONS.. Go to the "Historical returns investing calculator" by Chris Kahn at Bankrate :
http://www.bankrate.com/finance/investing/historical-returns-investing-calculator.aspx
and enter the figures, with a starting value of $1 million in 1968 and an ending date of 2013 (It only goes to 2013, not 2016, but even so the result in 2016 would be nowhere near the billions) The result is $74,167,654.01. Or, if you are suspicious that you didn't enter the right number of zeroes, enter $1 in 1968, and you get back $74.17 in 2013. The Bankrate calculator notes: "Calculator assumes dividends are invested back into your portfolio. Market value excludes inflation, taxes and/or investment costs. Calculator based on the S&P Composite Stock Price Index compiled by Yale economist Robert Shiller. " (Note that Bankrate itself is a public company on the New York Stock Exchange; read more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankrate)
So that logic proves that Trump actually IS a great business man because he took that $1 million loan and turned it into at least $4 billion (low estimate) to $10 billion (his claim). If he had literally followed the advice posted above, he would have only made at most $90 million by 2016 without extracting any money from the fund. Living expenses (food, clothing, hair cuts ha ha, university tuition for the kids), capital gains taxes, income tax, property taxes all would have eaten into the sitting pile of money like piranhas on Michael Jackson's decaying flesh.
And the total amount of money generated from the $1 million investment actually has to be more than $4-10 billion because that is just what Trump gets to keep. Trump keeps only a fraction of the entire revenue; other money goes to local, state, and federal government taxes, AND all the wages he's paid to other people over the years.
His businesses have directly employed tens of thousands of people, from "blue collar" to "white collar": concept artists, architects, civil engineers, structural engineers, electrical engineers, IT folks, computer programmers, interior designers, fashion (apparel) designers, electricians, plumbers, stone masons, sculptors, retail marketers, accountants, lawyers, furniture makers, advertisers, photographers, models, and on and on. This kind of "wealth distribution" isn't just giving people a handout, but allows them to follow their own dream careers. And many of his buildings have transformed the neighborhoods in which they were built, increasing the economic activity and further "distributing wealth".
http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/...
https://finance.yahoo.com/news...
You are welcome on my lawn.
I love when my Canadian friends talk about how accepting and multicultural they are, being isolated so far north from significant land immigration traffic.
I always offer that we can place buses at the US/Mexico border with a sign saying "free trip to Canada", and drop off anyone who wishes to ride on the Canadian side of the border.
Regardless of index fund performances, Trump keeps only a fraction of the entire revenue of his businesses; other money goes to local, state, and federal government taxes, AND all the wages he's paid to other people over the years.
Trump's businesses have directly employed tens of thousands of people, from "blue collar" to "white collar": concept artists, architects, civil engineers, structural engineers, electrical engineers, IT folks, computer programmers, interior designers, fashion (apparel) designers, electricians, plumbers, stone masons, sculptors, retail marketers, accountants, lawyers, furniture makers, advertisers, photographers, models, and on and on. This kind of "wealth distribution" isn't just giving people a handout, but allows them to follow their own dream careers. And many of his buildings have transformed the neighborhoods in which they were built, increasing the economic activity and further "distributing wealth".
Now just imagine if everybody with a lot of money took the attitude of throwing money in an S&P tracking index fund and sitting back. Just imagine that the founders and managers of the stocks in the S&P would just quit their jobs and sit back and do nothing. The S&P would shrivel in value in no time flat because everybody would be expecting "somebody else" to be taking risks and generating money....and there would be NO "somebody else".
The article "Should Trump have indexed?" by Matt Levine ( (BA Harvard, law degree from Yale), September 3, 2015 at http://www.bloombergv
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You are welcome on my lawn.
How dare you call someone a fool for daring to have a backup plan in case something awful happens, in any situation.
That Trump has any chance is enough for some of us to be concerned, because life is full of unlikely events... happening.
...and it's wealth of social programs to any and all Americans that choose to cross the border and start taking high-tech jobs from Canadians? So I guess I can just cross the border, rent an apartment, and go out and apply for a job & get free health care? How long after I cross the border will I be able to vote in Canadian elections, become a Canadian citizen, and start reaping all those wonderful social programs? I'm positive Canada wouldn't discriminate against foreigners that simply start showing up and drive down the pay scales for low-skill jobs, right?
Ok, sorry, let me clarify this a bit. You are not "insane" — that's a loaded term anyway. But you do have a delusion:
(That "superior evidence", in this case, is your "biological sex".)
Either that, or, maybe, you have a lighter disorder of pseudologia fantastica.
I'm sorry, but I'm not buying into this subtle differences between "being" and "identifying as". For a man to "identify as" woman is just as (if not more!) delusional (or fraudulent) as for a White to identify as Black. Your "bilogical sex" makes you a man, by definition — which destines you to M-labeled bathrooms, whatever you are wearing.
Nonsense. "Sex" and "gender" are interchangeable synonyms, the latter employed purely to avoid the erotic connotations of the former, when discussing things like grammar. Your attempts to differentiate between these terms may itself be symptomatic of the delusion.
Any references to "scientific papers" can not, unfortunately, be given much credence — because of how sensitive a topic this is politically. For example, imagine that same "sexual dimorphism in the brain" argument used to justify the wage-disparity between sexes. Heck, you don't even need to imagine, just consider the fate of one L.H. Summers.
So, you are claiming, that some organs of your body disagree with others in identifying your sex (brain vs. genitalia)? Even if that were true, you are "fixing" the wrong organs... Which is, of course, your choice — just do not demand, the rest of society changes the language (and bathrooms) to accommodate it.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.