"Burning down a store is not comparable to making and distributing (selling or giving away) copies of IP."
They are comparable in terms of the analogy: Both the burning and the IP copying are crimes. Both the burning and the IP copying are not theft.
"Loss of payment is actually a great term because it's the only thing we can be concerned about here"
The problem with it is that it only occurs some of the time with IP copying. If some kid downloads a cracked Autocad that he never uses and would never have bought, there is clearly an illegal IP copying going on. However, the loss of payment is nothing. If someone in Region 2 downloads a DIVX of a movie only sold in Region 0 (and will never be sold in Region 2 ever), there is illegal copying.... and, again, no loss of payment.
"Person B is certainly liable for those monetary damages. Does your defense of piracy really hinge entirely on definitionist fallacies"
I'm not defending it. Calling it piracy, not theft (as you did), does not make it any less of a crime. However, it is pretty clear what it is, and what it isn't. While Person A is liable for monetary damages, he is still an arsonist, and not a thief. He's not a murderer or a jaywalker, either. By recognizing these facts, am I somehow defending this arsonist?
How about the crime of copyright infringment? The verbal somersault you used to defend the miss-use of the word "theft" can be used for any crime (i.e. Person A sells stuff in his store. Person B burns down store. Because Person A is missing payments now, Person B is a thief).
In addition, the "loss of payment" is a pretty bad term for this when you think about it. Only some of the time does unauthorized copying (piracy/etc) result in loss of payment.
How does this in any way meet the definition of theft? Are these "thieves" copying the IP and destroying the original, in order to meet the "taking" that is required by theft?
The single-use DVD is on the way back. New technologies are being designed by Wonkatech. The prototype can be seen here. The delectable chocolate delicious disc won't last long in the typical household: someone will find it and eat it before it gets played much at all. A surefire profit machine!
When it is in safe mode, a lot of the peripherals don't work right and it is in ugly low-color 640 x 480 pixel mode. They should have rebooted it properly instead if hitting the power switch.
"The Entertainment Industry assumes that all uses of recorders is for stealing copyrighted material. But that simply is not the case"
Correct. It is technically impossible to steal a thing using a recorder, unless you do something really odd like club a victim witha VCR during a mugging, or heave a reel-to-reel unit through a jewelry store window in order to break in and burglarize it.
"I mean, what good is a bearskin rug with a basketball sized hole in it?"
I thought the purpose of the suit was to repulse bears, not attract them for purposes of getting a pelt! Now, for what you need, to get a nice undamaged bear pelt, is a Cindy Bear suit and a great big sledgehammer.
"There is a bear in the woods.
For some people the bear is easy to see. Others don't see it at all.
Some people say the bear is tame. Others say it's vicious. And dangerous.
Since no one can really be sure who is right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear?
If there is a bear."
"Troy Hurtubise, the Canadian who did the famous bear-proof suit documented in the movie Project grizzly, spent 18 years researching how to make a flameproof material, and finally has it."
Not only that, but if you apply this bearproofing technology to the shuttle program, you are ready to go for the Ursa Major mission.
That reminds me of the fellow afflicted with a Packard Bell 486 DX2-66. He was quite forlorn that he could not upgrade to Windows XP Service Pack 1. He so wanted to be inundated by security-hole viruses in the hopes that it would put his machine out of his misery.
This reminds me of back in the day when I delivered pizza for college money. To prevent hungry college students from stealing the pizza, I disguised them in "Packard Bell" computer boxes; that way no-one ever bothered me!
"who attended it attempted an act of civil disobedience at a nearby National Guard which set it off(a real stretch on your part to call it "violence")."
It did include an assault, remember? Last time I knew, that was violence. The trespassers? That is short of violence, but not by much. How would you like it if I broke into your house and treated it as my own? That sure is a violation. However, I see your point on the rest. No argument.
"Do they throw Michael Moore in prison, no because it would stoke outrage"
You are assuming that they would really want to in the first place.
"did they try to kill distribution of his movie yes"
That did not happen. Some places were squeamish about it (like with Gibson's movie), but there was no doubt that it was anything more than "We won't carry this film, but someone else will and be successful at it". That is not killing distribution.
Since the film ended up amounting to a 2 hour long political campaign ad, it is also not surprising that PayPerView was reluctant to show it right before the election, due to equal time laws. If you have a problem with this, complain about "equal time" laws. (For the record, I'm not commenting on the content of F911 since I did not see it. I felt there were enough campaign ads on TV last election season without paying to sit in the theatre to see one.)
"yes, have they tried to make him out to be a liar"
Ahem, that is called free speech. Moore, I'm shocked to say, tried to make GWB out to be a liar. That's also free speech. Why you would use this as support of "no dissent allowed" can't be seen, however. What is it now, dissent is not allowed unless you verbally agree with everything in it and refuse to say anything bad about it?
"threatening your or your name added to the do not fly list so you cant get on an airplane without risking arrest."
You mean like Cat "Terror Train" Stevens? He had the nerve to wonder why he ended up on a a terror list when he called for terrorists to assassinate a writer. Add his pro-terrorist concert a couple of years back, and his many Jew-bashing statements over the years, and you have someone who certainly is no peace activist. He's a lot more like one of those screaming imams.
I'm still waiting for evidence that Moore helped the GWB campaign. Everything I saw said otherwise. "F911" swayed a huge proportion of those who saw it to be anti-GWB.
"That is plain silly. The racist wing of the GOP party is alive and well. Its a defining criteria of the new Republican party"
There are currently no pro-racist platforms in the GOP, nor are there such policies. There is an anti-racist platform pushed by many (those against affirmative action). Do you have anything that shows otherwise? Pro-racism is not in the mainstream of American politics anymore. The Southerners you referred to went to the GOP because it is for equal rights and the Democrats for quite some time have stood for unequal rights (affirmative action punishing and rewarding based on skin color). The worst racists stayed in the Democrats: Lyndon LaRouche amd the KKK wizard Robert Byrd.
"Hate to break it to you but the right wing says the same thing about Michael Moore"
Whatever the "right wing" says, Michael Moore is an articulate dissenter who pulls no punches....and he is able to dissent pretty much without limit.
"Like I said earlier they played him like a fiddle and he ended up doing more harm than good to the left."
How so? Again? I asked earlier how many votes the "anti-Michael Moore" crowd gave Bush. If you claim that he helped Bush, please give some sign!
"Michael Moore was more than a little stupid to go to the Republican Convention and give them a visible target for their bile."
I thought he looked pretty "ballsy" doing that. The very few comments he elicited did not have any effect.
"If you want to see an example of persecution of nameless dissidents, do a google search on "Drake University anitwar forum"."
That looks interesting, until you see that it turns out to be an organization trying to cover something up. What have they got to hide? Also, futher down, there's reference to actual crimes committed by members (including violence). Not dissent, not peaceful protest. I really wonder if there would be subpeonas if the organization was not involved in actual criminal activity? Used to be dissenters engaged in dissent, and were not violent thugs.
"Just what in the Hell is wrong with your brain? First, you are saying we can associate how we want then you say you are fully aware we can't associate the way we want."
One is a recommendation on how to live your life without forcing beliefs on others. The second is a recognition of what the government enforces right now. That you fail to see the difference is not my fault.
"what enables these companies to turn a profit is the social welfare system that they can use to compensate employees while others pay for it."
Does this apply to Wal-Mart and Main Street small town America, which pay wage so low that it is not a "livable wage" for some, and many seek government subsidies..... workers who are not immigrants at all? What do we do in this case? Deport all Mom and Pop store workers and Wal-Street workers?
"I tend to see a lot of that sort of thing as racially motivated."
Most of the recipients of government "Welfare" programs are of the "white" race.
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They are comparable in terms of the analogy: Both the burning and the IP copying are crimes. Both the burning and the IP copying are not theft.
"Loss of payment is actually a great term because it's the only thing we can be concerned about here"
The problem with it is that it only occurs some of the time with IP copying. If some kid downloads a cracked Autocad that he never uses and would never have bought, there is clearly an illegal IP copying going on. However, the loss of payment is nothing. If someone in Region 2 downloads a DIVX of a movie only sold in Region 0 (and will never be sold in Region 2 ever), there is illegal copying.... and, again, no loss of payment.
I'm not defending it. Calling it piracy, not theft (as you did), does not make it any less of a crime. However, it is pretty clear what it is, and what it isn't. While Person A is liable for monetary damages, he is still an arsonist, and not a thief. He's not a murderer or a jaywalker, either. By recognizing these facts, am I somehow defending this arsonist?
In addition, the "loss of payment" is a pretty bad term for this when you think about it. Only some of the time does unauthorized copying (piracy/etc) result in loss of payment.
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How does this in any way meet the definition of theft? Are these "thieves" copying the IP and destroying the original, in order to meet the "taking" that is required by theft?
The single-use DVD is on the way back. New technologies are being designed by Wonkatech. The prototype can be seen here. The delectable chocolate delicious disc won't last long in the typical household: someone will find it and eat it before it gets played much at all. A surefire profit machine!
When it is in safe mode, a lot of the peripherals don't work right and it is in ugly low-color 640 x 480 pixel mode. They should have rebooted it properly instead if hitting the power switch.
Like this fellow?
Is this device compatible with DRM?
Correct. It is technically impossible to steal a thing using a recorder, unless you do something really odd like club a victim witha VCR during a mugging, or heave a reel-to-reel unit through a jewelry store window in order to break in and burglarize it.
I thought the purpose of the suit was to repulse bears, not attract them for purposes of getting a pelt! Now, for what you need, to get a nice undamaged bear pelt, is a Cindy Bear suit and a great big sledgehammer.
Bet you miss the palaces with the petroleum-spouting bidets, eh Sammy?
"There is a bear in the woods. For some people the bear is easy to see. Others don't see it at all. Some people say the bear is tame. Others say it's vicious. And dangerous. Since no one can really be sure who is right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? If there is a bear."
An AK-47 in the hand of the wearer would greatly enhance the ability of the ensemble see that no bear comes anywhere near.
Not only that, but if you apply this bearproofing technology to the shuttle program, you are ready to go for the Ursa Major mission.
That reminds me of the fellow afflicted with a Packard Bell 486 DX2-66. He was quite forlorn that he could not upgrade to Windows XP Service Pack 1. He so wanted to be inundated by security-hole viruses in the hopes that it would put his machine out of his misery.
This reminds me of back in the day when I delivered pizza for college money. To prevent hungry college students from stealing the pizza, I disguised them in "Packard Bell" computer boxes; that way no-one ever bothered me!
If your pizza box has a Domino's logo, there is no chance that anyone would steal it to get the contents, either.
Thankfully, there is no mentions of DRM. At least in the first summary.
You made some good points. Got it. Now, what do you think about immigration reform?
It did include an assault, remember? Last time I knew, that was violence. The trespassers? That is short of violence, but not by much. How would you like it if I broke into your house and treated it as my own? That sure is a violation. However, I see your point on the rest. No argument.
"Do they throw Michael Moore in prison, no because it would stoke outrage"
You are assuming that they would really want to in the first place.
"did they try to kill distribution of his movie yes"
That did not happen. Some places were squeamish about it (like with Gibson's movie), but there was no doubt that it was anything more than "We won't carry this film, but someone else will and be successful at it". That is not killing distribution.
Since the film ended up amounting to a 2 hour long political campaign ad, it is also not surprising that PayPerView was reluctant to show it right before the election, due to equal time laws. If you have a problem with this, complain about "equal time" laws. (For the record, I'm not commenting on the content of F911 since I did not see it. I felt there were enough campaign ads on TV last election season without paying to sit in the theatre to see one.)
"yes, have they tried to make him out to be a liar"
Ahem, that is called free speech. Moore, I'm shocked to say, tried to make GWB out to be a liar. That's also free speech. Why you would use this as support of "no dissent allowed" can't be seen, however. What is it now, dissent is not allowed unless you verbally agree with everything in it and refuse to say anything bad about it?
"threatening your or your name added to the do not fly list so you cant get on an airplane without risking arrest."
You mean like Cat "Terror Train" Stevens? He had the nerve to wonder why he ended up on a a terror list when he called for terrorists to assassinate a writer. Add his pro-terrorist concert a couple of years back, and his many Jew-bashing statements over the years, and you have someone who certainly is no peace activist. He's a lot more like one of those screaming imams.
I'm still waiting for evidence that Moore helped the GWB campaign. Everything I saw said otherwise. "F911" swayed a huge proportion of those who saw it to be anti-GWB.
There are currently no pro-racist platforms in the GOP, nor are there such policies. There is an anti-racist platform pushed by many (those against affirmative action). Do you have anything that shows otherwise? Pro-racism is not in the mainstream of American politics anymore. The Southerners you referred to went to the GOP because it is for equal rights and the Democrats for quite some time have stood for unequal rights (affirmative action punishing and rewarding based on skin color). The worst racists stayed in the Democrats: Lyndon LaRouche amd the KKK wizard Robert Byrd.
"Hate to break it to you but the right wing says the same thing about Michael Moore"
Whatever the "right wing" says, Michael Moore is an articulate dissenter who pulls no punches....and he is able to dissent pretty much without limit.
"Like I said earlier they played him like a fiddle and he ended up doing more harm than good to the left."
How so? Again? I asked earlier how many votes the "anti-Michael Moore" crowd gave Bush. If you claim that he helped Bush, please give some sign!
"Michael Moore was more than a little stupid to go to the Republican Convention and give them a visible target for their bile."
I thought he looked pretty "ballsy" doing that. The very few comments he elicited did not have any effect.
"If you want to see an example of persecution of nameless dissidents, do a google search on "Drake University anitwar forum"."
That looks interesting, until you see that it turns out to be an organization trying to cover something up. What have they got to hide? Also, futher down, there's reference to actual crimes committed by members (including violence). Not dissent, not peaceful protest. I really wonder if there would be subpeonas if the organization was not involved in actual criminal activity? Used to be dissenters engaged in dissent, and were not violent thugs.
One is a recommendation on how to live your life without forcing beliefs on others. The second is a recognition of what the government enforces right now. That you fail to see the difference is not my fault.
Interesting use of the word "panmixia". Are you in favor of the government being able to ban people from marrying those of other races?
Does this apply to Wal-Mart and Main Street small town America, which pay wage so low that it is not a "livable wage" for some, and many seek government subsidies..... workers who are not immigrants at all? What do we do in this case? Deport all Mom and Pop store workers and Wal-Street workers?
"I tend to see a lot of that sort of thing as racially motivated."
Most of the recipients of government "Welfare" programs are of the "white" race.