>Thus it may not be as jarring to the general public
I think the talking heads and grandstanding politicians are more "jarred" by it than the general public. Real people who aren't trying to get on TV or get re-elected understand that launching your ass into orbit is a dangerous thing to do.
They aren't bright enought to understand anything other than the good old days when there was one vendor (MS) and one operating system family (Windows).
All Dell has to do is pick one (RH or Lycoris), support it, and make sure drivers are available on all the others, should a technically astute person want to put SuSE or Debian on it.
I've worked with Qt on large projects with ports to both Win32 and various Un*x flavors. I'm really happy with QT (other than stupid reinventing of STL stuff). Qt is clean, well-documented, easy to use and subclass. Gtkmm is very good for a veneer on top of C language OO, but isn't remotely as clean or consistent.
Try a non trivial specialization of a Gtkmm widget - then try the same thing in Qt. IMO, it's not a close call - even if you have the time to figure out what to do in Gtkmm (compare the documentation with Qt's docs).
Wow - gotta disagree. I've used both extensively on several large projects, and Qt/KDE is _by_far_ the best GUI development environment I've ever used and light years ahead of Gtk/GNOME.
Gtk might be OK for people who never mastered C++, and it's certainly much nicer than Motif, but it's horribly primitive compared to Qt.
Outlook works great with the Codeweavers crossover office product - I use it every day on my work desktop. A few minor cosmetic glitches, but all the functionality is there.
OfB demonstrated with actual facts (gasp!), on-record quotes from the actual responsible authorities (gasp!) that DEP lied and made up information he published in his articles.
Do you have anything factual to add, or do you just need more aluminum foil in your hat?
I agree in part. I don't see a problem with RH's commitment to freedom (everything is GPL, how could it be more free?) but not their destructive approach to community cooperation and respect.
While I'm planning to switch due to the KDE issues, I haven't decided between SuSE and Mandrake.
In playing with them on a spare box. I like YaST2 and the clean KDE, but I'd like to be able to download ISOs and only pay for support when I need it. I'm trying Mandrake 9; so far some parts seem real flaky, and it has a overcrowded and "unfinished" feel to it.
I wish there was a RedHat + KDE distro (like Mandrake was when it started out). Oh and toss in apt-get while you're at it:-)
I wonder what Red Hat was thinking. If they wanted to alienate KDE users they could have dropped KDE from their distro entirely. Why did they waste money crippling it?
It's clear from the KDE community reaction (well documented in megabytes of flames this last month) that many who love RH and KDE will switch to Mandrake or SuSE over the way RH has treated KDE.
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>Thus it may not be as jarring to the general public
I think the talking heads and grandstanding politicians are more "jarred" by it than the general public. Real people who aren't trying to get on TV or get re-elected understand that launching your ass into orbit is a dangerous thing to do.
They aren't bright enought to understand anything other than the good old days when there was one vendor (MS) and one operating system family (Windows).
All Dell has to do is pick one (RH or Lycoris), support it, and make sure drivers are available on all the others, should a technically astute person want to put SuSE or Debian on it.
I've worked with Qt on large projects with ports to both Win32 and various Un*x flavors. I'm really happy with QT (other than stupid reinventing of STL stuff). Qt is clean, well-documented, easy to use and subclass. Gtkmm is very good for a veneer on top of C language OO, but isn't remotely as clean or consistent.
Try a non trivial specialization of a Gtkmm widget - then try the same thing in Qt. IMO, it's not a close call - even if you have the time to figure out what to do in Gtkmm (compare the documentation with Qt's docs).
Or, maybe he finds GNU/Linux a unpronouncable, ego-driven powergrab whine of a name and prefers simply "Linux".
Or, maybe he said the more correct "XFree/GNU/BSD/Linux...." and the reporter couldn't keep up.
Wow - gotta disagree. I've used both extensively on several large projects, and Qt/KDE is _by_far_ the best GUI development environment I've ever used and light years ahead of Gtk/GNOME.
Gtk might be OK for people who never mastered C++, and it's certainly much nicer than Motif, but it's horribly primitive compared to Qt.
Outlook works great with the Codeweavers crossover office product - I use it every day on my work desktop. A few minor cosmetic glitches, but all the functionality is there.
I thought we did *that* because of disco.
OfB demonstrated with actual facts (gasp!), on-record quotes from the actual responsible authorities (gasp!) that DEP lied and made up information he published in his articles.
Do you have anything factual to add, or do you just need more aluminum foil in your hat?
I was born in 62, so I guess things must be sucking for some other reason...
I agree in part. I don't see a problem with RH's commitment to freedom (everything is GPL, how could it be more free?) but not their destructive approach to community cooperation and respect.
:-)
While I'm planning to switch due to the KDE issues, I haven't decided between SuSE and Mandrake.
In playing with them on a spare box. I like YaST2 and the clean KDE, but I'd like to be able to download ISOs and only pay for support when I need it. I'm trying Mandrake 9; so far some parts seem real flaky, and it has a overcrowded and "unfinished" feel to it.
I wish there was a RedHat + KDE distro (like Mandrake was when it started out). Oh and toss in apt-get while you're at it
> I'm a KDE user whose been using Null since
> release:
But not an informed one. You left a lot out, in addition to putting the RH spin on what you included. RH has also:
- Added lots of buggy Xft stuff to QT
- Buggy changes to support vfolder
- Broke service name compatibility
- Broke plugin handling
The gruesome details are all in bugzilla.
These are off the top of my head, I've probably left some out.
I wonder what Red Hat was thinking. If they wanted to alienate KDE users they could have dropped KDE from their distro entirely. Why did they waste money crippling it?
It's clear from the KDE community reaction (well documented in megabytes of flames this last month) that many who love RH and KDE will switch to Mandrake or SuSE over the way RH has treated KDE.
You're right, UT2003 does feel like a Q3 clone...and that's why I'm so disappointed in it. I have both Q3 and UT, and play both, but I much prefer UT.
Now, all we'll have is two railgun jumping spaz clone games. Bleh!