The part you are looking for has the title "The incompatible JVM"(it's been a few weeks but I think that is what it said.) Read that. The ruling specifically said, summed up, Microsoft was a monopoly but the judge who ruled on the case was impartial so they are going to send to a new judge for sentencing based on the decision of the Appeals court.. Their were a few things they said Microsoft did not have a monopoly in and one of them was Java. Now if I'm not than you can make your case. Fortunately, I'm right and you have no grounds to argue so forget about it. ----
The Appeals Court ruled they didn't have a monopoly. The lower court ruled they did. Since the Appeals court is higher, their decision stands. I never said they had a monopoly, I said it highly discouraged competition.
MS dropped Java support because Sun told them to. You actually believe that just because Sun told Microsoft they didn't like their version of Java, Microsoft just dropped it. Oh by the way Microsoft, I don't like windows, will you drop it. This was not the case. Their was more happening in the background that are shadowed from the cameras. By the way, Dork yourself out. I get called that enough by my sister, I don't need it on/. ----
If the best tech always won we would all have been using Macs and Amigas by 87. I disagree, I've used both Macs and Amigas and they certainly aren't the best tech. Neither is Java. Compare Java to Python. Both are interpreted and cross-platform but Python is 10 times faster. I'm not saying the x86 is the best architecture(no one will ever need more than 640k of memory), it certainly isn't nor am I saying the best architecture included that various Motorola chipsets that plagued the Macintosh over the years, they have problems of their own. In the open market, the best advertised architecture with lowest price tag usually wins if it gives them everything they think they need. Java is in the same boat. Java is well advertised but does not give everything people need(speed.) Their are literally millions of theories to compress large random files into much smaller pieces(less than 50% compress but greater then 20%.) The problem is these types of compression of random variable would take so long to calculate, it would be the equivalent of 20 or 30 Seti Units. Java is easy, I've did some basic programminng(not enough to call myself an expert but enough to get by) but it is not BASIC or atleast as easy as VB. Plus, the little guys can only so far with the big guys on stepping on their tails all the time. This is why Java will never become BASIC. ----
The courts ruled that Microsoft had a monopoly in Java by making their JVM incompatible with Sun's. Since more people use MS than Sun, most people wrote for MS incompatible JVM, taking away most of the market share of Sun and other companies in the same market. By leaving their JVM out of the market, it will give secondary companies more chance to develop the market and make Microsoft look less Monopolistic. Remember, it's not always what you do do, but what you don't do that shapes your future image. ----
Tell that to Google. First of all, the google example is not the same thing. Google isn't running more stuff on their OS, they are just running more computers. Completely different upscaling. Have you noticed, google is running Linux. Linux can use as few resources outside the server as possible and still be a good sample. So, your sample is actually a counter-example to your cause. ----
Which to a lot of admins and users, equals a better program. Microsoft's success proves it. No, economics and average IQ proves this. Microsoft is going to enter the market that gives them the most sales, not the best design with reduced sales. Legally, I'm a genius and don't need all these extra functions because most of the time they cost me time which money in my pocket. I don't need a GUI that simplifies things beyond belief but the average admin might and that is who MS is aiming for, not me. Simple Economics. Whatever sales the product to the most people and who can we broaden it to later. I pity your users if you're running a server on 8MB of RAM. RAM is cheap, splurge a little. I'm not saying computers should 8 mb of ram, I'm saying you should be able to configure and maintain you computer on very little memory. How much actual memory does it take to run an FTP server, HTTP server, and a Microsoft Network Client. Not very much. Resources aren't a premium right not but does not mean we should explurge the OS to the point that resources are being wasted beyond belief. The GUI is not the OS and is not needed. It's a great feature but it is still not the OS. If you want a good server, using as few resources as possible not being used as a server, then a GUI is not the ideal solution. If you want the server so you don't have to think about it and maybe it crashes every six months or so then the extras are fine. ----
I hate waiting. I should not be forced to wait on a task that should be more simplified and not take so much logic. Waiting sucks on tasks you really don't want running and most of the time it is actually quicker to reboot the computer than to wait for the task manager to come up. Why can't it be more simple to kill tasks like linux. Kill -signal processid. Be a hell of a lot more simpler then trying to press ctrl-shift-esc select CPU usage and clicking kill. I've been in this market longer than I would like to talk about and I've grown to hate Microsoft. Forcing me to do extra tasks that I can't do without taking my hand off the keyboard(you could probably do it without the mouse but let's ignore that) is going to make me mad. If the window doesn't pop up in five seconds, their goes the power switch. I can get my computer back in less then a minute. Why should I wait on a product that should make this task simplified, not ignorance proof?
By the way, you missed a step. Step 6: rm -r -F/mnt/windows2000 ----
Not what I'm talking about. Maybe you should actually *GASP* try to understand the program before commenting on it. It's called bloatware. Haven't huge configuration programs that attempt to make our lives simpler by executing wizards that executes wizards. Sometimes you accidentally click on the wrong thing and the program goes on a tangent and you're trying to kill it and eventually do but in the end, it's a pain. Give me proper documentation and I would rather modify it with a text editor or a very very simple front-end. ----
To answer your first question(misunderstood it in the first post), products like MsWord have a tendency to run on windows 98 and before even 2000 comes out on 2000. Other games from third parties will give you warning or crash when they run on 2000 but Microsoft products seem to just roll on by without reference to the OS(via 3.1, 9x, or 2000). Other people, like Norton AV, have to make many changes before their product works on Microsofts newest bloatware. ----
Versions of Windows. 3.0, 3.11, '95, '98, nt, 2000, ce, and soon to be released XP.
and has a tendency to go into lala land whenever you try to do anything useful Like when a bit gets changed and instead of going to 0xff8342, it 0xff3843. Something like that. It starts to execute a program I don't want it to execute or has some weird logic that does something that executes a program that takes every single CPU cycle in existence so it takes a minute to kill and impatiently, I press CTRL-ALT-DEL 20,000 times until it reboots. Lala land, the land of the lalas. ----
What do you think. All cars should be black, manufactured by Ford, and have the title of being a Model T or should we have Subaru, Toyota, Chevy, etc. The interfaces are generally, via. recognizable, but not so different that you wouldn't be able to recognize it without much effort. People don't respond to extreme changes but get bored with no change, in other words, I'll take the second because it shouldn't be so different I wouldn't be able to find it(no one would buy it.) If they were all the same, no one would buy them either. Some Chaos is better then complete order. ----
I have one quote for you, "Chaos is the Spice of Life and Order is its Nemesis, How May I Assist Your Quest?"
I didn't pull this one out of the blue. If you know where this one came from, well, you probably played too many computer games.
Anyways, a little variety and custom interfaces never hurt anybody and will help people get used to something more then they the limited they have developed or pictured in their mind. Not saying Mac users still won't use it, I'm saying is if it is just an interface their not used too, that is no reason for not using something. A learning curve never hurt anybody. ----
What's wrong with ff7 on the pc. Once you get used to it, it's actually really good. Just remember what keys are which and for your own sake, don't play until 4:00 in the morning and you have to get up at 6:00. Once you get past the keyboard problem and windoze crashing every 30 seconds, its not really that bad. ----
But does Microsoft have a choice. Even though Microsoft is this big bad wolf that tries to blow down the pigs houses that everybody portrays it as, it still can't prevent free software from entering the market. They are already got their hand slapped for violating the Sherman act, do they really want to get their face slapped too. I don't think so. Their not as powerful as we think they are. Their are still a company and follow the same basic rules. Do you think the USSR willfully allowed Kazakistan to leave, I think not. They couldn't stop it. A mouse can only steal cheese off a trap so many times before it goes off. Microsoft is in the same boat as the mouse. It stole the cheese many many times without getting caught. How many times can it steal the cheese before it gets caught? 20, 30, 50? They can't stop something forever and this is just another test of that. ----
I'm not talking about the backwoods, I'm talking about the outskirts. if you live anywhere within 50 minutes of a city of atleast 20,000 residents, you are going to live a good life. Cities suck because they limit freedom. Backwoods suck because then you don't have the opportunities of the cities but have the freedom. The outskirts have the best of both worlds(and I'm not talking about Suburbs, they suck too.) If you really want the setting you described, look up Boone County, West Virginia where the hills are high and the population density is low. Big difference you uneducated dumbass hick bastard. ----
in a game, you've got 20-60 hours of gameplay in which you get to mill over and decipher the storyline, so it makes a bit more sense. Sadly, they had to try to cram an FF-quality storyline into a 2-hour movie, and I think that was its greatest weakness.... time. 20-60 hours of gameplay. More like 70 hours because you didn't bring enough heals or phoenix downs with you and half your character are two levels down from where they should be(you're their to raise them up a few levels) and you died before you get to a save point. I've known this to happen many many times, you think you're going to get to save point sooner then you actually do. You'll probably right with 20-60 hours though, it took me 35 to beat ff9 and over 50 for ff7. Haven't played ff8 yet, is it any good, anybody? ----
I can answer that - I'd destroy New York City in a heartbeat, and I'm not even a malevolent alien race:) I hate New York. Millions of assholes who only care about theirselves and don't know how to live a real life, walking their unmeaningful lives and only complaining how much a taxi cost or why gum prices are too high or "did you hear Suzy got raped last night" complaints about crime or who the next asshole to become mayor is. They've never experienced life in places where crime is so low, people don't lock their houses or cars(and many leave their keys in the ignition(I do)) at night. Where people can shoot a bird or pee off their backporch and no one thinks a thing about it. Where you can do practically anything, anytime and not worry about crime or how much a taxi costs or worry about the cop or the thief around the corner. Where you can walk at night and the only thing you have to worry about are misguided bats that don't see you and accidentally run into you. You'll never see me go back their. ----
Depends on reference point. If you go by the Julian Calendar, we lost out. Maybe we can start the calendar over again at 1880 or the year of the Gutenberg bible or whatever. That should give us plenty of time to have a space Odessey. ----
Does VB need to be fast in an environment where computing power doubles every eighteen months? We don't want to get too inefficient and lazy, do we? If you let them get too high level and too bloated, they'll become a stability problem(via. no one can write a really large ap without making atleast one bug and without infinite amount of time to fix them.) Their is nothing wrong with VB but programmers shouldn't wander too far from the roots. ----
Use Gnutella. I use the limewire client. You can music, divx movies, and nearly any popular copywrited program in existence if you look hard enough. Why use napster? Napster should pack its bags and settle its losses and move on to "the next big thing." ----
That's not really fast. considering the same thing could probably be done on a 50 mhz 486 written in C. It just seems jast because computers are relatively fast compared to the task you are doing. If you don't use every single CPU cycle in calculation then, naturally, it will seem faster than it actually is. More then likely, your program is execution several times more instructions in the background(housekeeping) then you actually know. By the way, your spinning cube is cool. I like it. ----
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The part you are looking for has the title "The incompatible JVM"(it's been a few weeks but I think that is what it said.) Read that. The ruling specifically said, summed up, Microsoft was a monopoly but the judge who ruled on the case was impartial so they are going to send to a new judge for sentencing based on the decision of the Appeals court.. Their were a few things they said Microsoft did not have a monopoly in and one of them was Java. Now if I'm not than you can make your case. Fortunately, I'm right and you have no grounds to argue so forget about it.
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The appeals court said they were a Monopoly but did not have one in JAVA. Read the ruling yourself.
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The Appeals Court ruled they didn't have a monopoly. The lower court ruled they did. Since the Appeals court is higher, their decision stands. I never said they had a monopoly, I said it highly discouraged competition.
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MS dropped Java support because Sun told them to. You actually believe that just because Sun told Microsoft they didn't like their version of Java, Microsoft just dropped it. Oh by the way Microsoft, I don't like windows, will you drop it. This was not the case. Their was more happening in the background that are shadowed from the cameras. By the way, Dork yourself out. I get called that enough by my sister, I don't need it on
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If the best tech always won we would all have been using Macs and Amigas by 87. I disagree, I've used both Macs and Amigas and they certainly aren't the best tech. Neither is Java. Compare Java to Python. Both are interpreted and cross-platform but Python is 10 times faster. I'm not saying the x86 is the best architecture(no one will ever need more than 640k of memory), it certainly isn't nor am I saying the best architecture included that various Motorola chipsets that plagued the Macintosh over the years, they have problems of their own. In the open market, the best advertised architecture with lowest price tag usually wins if it gives them everything they think they need. Java is in the same boat. Java is well advertised but does not give everything people need(speed.) Their are literally millions of theories to compress large random files into much smaller pieces(less than 50% compress but greater then 20%.) The problem is these types of compression of random variable would take so long to calculate, it would be the equivalent of 20 or 30 Seti Units. Java is easy, I've did some basic programminng(not enough to call myself an expert but enough to get by) but it is not BASIC or atleast as easy as VB. Plus, the little guys can only so far with the big guys on stepping on their tails all the time. This is why Java will never become BASIC.
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Try manually installing it if you can't get administrator access. Else, get a boot disk with NTFS support and start hacking away.
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The courts ruled that Microsoft had a monopoly in Java by making their JVM incompatible with Sun's. Since more people use MS than Sun, most people wrote for MS incompatible JVM, taking away most of the market share of Sun and other companies in the same market. By leaving their JVM out of the market, it will give secondary companies more chance to develop the market and make Microsoft look less Monopolistic. Remember, it's not always what you do do, but what you don't do that shapes your future image.
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Tell that to Google. First of all, the google example is not the same thing. Google isn't running more stuff on their OS, they are just running more computers. Completely different upscaling. Have you noticed, google is running Linux. Linux can use as few resources outside the server as possible and still be a good sample. So, your sample is actually a counter-example to your cause.
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Which to a lot of admins and users, equals a better program. Microsoft's success proves it. No, economics and average IQ proves this. Microsoft is going to enter the market that gives them the most sales, not the best design with reduced sales. Legally, I'm a genius and don't need all these extra functions because most of the time they cost me time which money in my pocket. I don't need a GUI that simplifies things beyond belief but the average admin might and that is who MS is aiming for, not me. Simple Economics. Whatever sales the product to the most people and who can we broaden it to later.
I pity your users if you're running a server on 8MB of RAM. RAM is cheap, splurge a little. I'm not saying computers should 8 mb of ram, I'm saying you should be able to configure and maintain you computer on very little memory. How much actual memory does it take to run an FTP server, HTTP server, and a Microsoft Network Client. Not very much. Resources aren't a premium right not but does not mean we should explurge the OS to the point that resources are being wasted beyond belief. The GUI is not the OS and is not needed. It's a great feature but it is still not the OS. If you want a good server, using as few resources as possible not being used as a server, then a GUI is not the ideal solution. If you want the server so you don't have to think about it and maybe it crashes every six months or so then the extras are fine.
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I hate waiting. I should not be forced to wait on a task that should be more simplified and not take so much logic. Waiting sucks on tasks you really don't want running and most of the time it is actually quicker to reboot the computer than to wait for the task manager to come up. Why can't it be more simple to kill tasks like linux. Kill -signal processid. Be a hell of a lot more simpler then trying to press ctrl-shift-esc select CPU usage and clicking kill. I've been in this market longer than I would like to talk about and I've grown to hate Microsoft. Forcing me to do extra tasks that I can't do without taking my hand off the keyboard(you could probably do it without the mouse but let's ignore that) is going to make me mad. If the window doesn't pop up in five seconds, their goes the power switch. I can get my computer back in less then a minute. Why should I wait on a product that should make this task simplified, not ignorance proof?
/mnt/windows2000
By the way, you missed a step. Step 6: rm -r -F
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Not what I'm talking about. Maybe you should actually *GASP* try to understand the program before commenting on it. It's called bloatware. Haven't huge configuration programs that attempt to make our lives simpler by executing wizards that executes wizards. Sometimes you accidentally click on the wrong thing and the program goes on a tangent and you're trying to kill it and eventually do but in the end, it's a pain. Give me proper documentation and I would rather modify it with a text editor or a very very simple front-end.
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To answer your first question(misunderstood it in the first post), products like MsWord have a tendency to run on windows 98 and before even 2000 comes out on 2000. Other games from third parties will give you warning or crash when they run on 2000 but Microsoft products seem to just roll on by without reference to the OS(via 3.1, 9x, or 2000). Other people, like Norton AV, have to make many changes before their product works on Microsofts newest bloatware.
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Versions of Windows. 3.0, 3.11, '95, '98, nt, 2000, ce, and soon to be released XP.
and has a tendency to go into lala land whenever you try to do anything useful Like when a bit gets changed and instead of going to 0xff8342, it 0xff3843. Something like that. It starts to execute a program I don't want it to execute or has some weird logic that does something that executes a program that takes every single CPU cycle in existence so it takes a minute to kill and impatiently, I press CTRL-ALT-DEL 20,000 times until it reboots. Lala land, the land of the lalas.
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I don't know. FF9 was pretty good.
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Crashes on my computer after 10 minutes and the colors are messed up. Is it me or just my setup?
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What do you think. All cars should be black, manufactured by Ford, and have the title of being a Model T or should we have Subaru, Toyota, Chevy, etc. The interfaces are generally, via. recognizable, but not so different that you wouldn't be able to recognize it without much effort. People don't respond to extreme changes but get bored with no change, in other words, I'll take the second because it shouldn't be so different I wouldn't be able to find it(no one would buy it.) If they were all the same, no one would buy them either. Some Chaos is better then complete order.
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I have one quote for you, "Chaos is the Spice of Life and Order is its Nemesis, How May I Assist Your Quest?"
I didn't pull this one out of the blue. If you know where this one came from, well, you probably played too many computer games.
Anyways, a little variety and custom interfaces never hurt anybody and will help people get used to something more then they the limited they have developed or pictured in their mind. Not saying Mac users still won't use it, I'm saying is if it is just an interface their not used too, that is no reason for not using something. A learning curve never hurt anybody.
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What's wrong with ff7 on the pc. Once you get used to it, it's actually really good. Just remember what keys are which and for your own sake, don't play until 4:00 in the morning and you have to get up at 6:00. Once you get past the keyboard problem and windoze crashing every 30 seconds, its not really that bad.
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But does Microsoft have a choice. Even though Microsoft is this big bad wolf that tries to blow down the pigs houses that everybody portrays it as, it still can't prevent free software from entering the market. They are already got their hand slapped for violating the Sherman act, do they really want to get their face slapped too. I don't think so. Their not as powerful as we think they are. Their are still a company and follow the same basic rules. Do you think the USSR willfully allowed Kazakistan to leave, I think not. They couldn't stop it. A mouse can only steal cheese off a trap so many times before it goes off. Microsoft is in the same boat as the mouse. It stole the cheese many many times without getting caught. How many times can it steal the cheese before it gets caught? 20, 30, 50? They can't stop something forever and this is just another test of that.
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I'm not talking about the backwoods, I'm talking about the outskirts. if you live anywhere within 50 minutes of a city of atleast 20,000 residents, you are going to live a good life. Cities suck because they limit freedom. Backwoods suck because then you don't have the opportunities of the cities but have the freedom. The outskirts have the best of both worlds(and I'm not talking about Suburbs, they suck too.) If you really want the setting you described, look up Boone County, West Virginia where the hills are high and the population density is low. Big difference you uneducated dumbass hick bastard.
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in a game, you've got 20-60 hours of gameplay in which you get to mill over and decipher the storyline, so it makes a bit more sense. Sadly, they had to try to cram an FF-quality storyline into a 2-hour movie, and I think that was its greatest weakness.... time. 20-60 hours of gameplay. More like 70 hours because you didn't bring enough heals or phoenix downs with you and half your character are two levels down from where they should be(you're their to raise them up a few levels) and you died before you get to a save point. I've known this to happen many many times, you think you're going to get to save point sooner then you actually do. You'll probably right with 20-60 hours though, it took me 35 to beat ff9 and over 50 for ff7. Haven't played ff8 yet, is it any good, anybody?
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I can answer that - I'd destroy New York City in a heartbeat, and I'm not even a malevolent alien race :) I hate New York. Millions of assholes who only care about theirselves and don't know how to live a real life, walking their unmeaningful lives and only complaining how much a taxi cost or why gum prices are too high or "did you hear Suzy got raped last night" complaints about crime or who the next asshole to become mayor is. They've never experienced life in places where crime is so low, people don't lock their houses or cars(and many leave their keys in the ignition(I do)) at night. Where people can shoot a bird or pee off their backporch and no one thinks a thing about it. Where you can do practically anything, anytime and not worry about crime or how much a taxi costs or worry about the cop or the thief around the corner. Where you can walk at night and the only thing you have to worry about are misguided bats that don't see you and accidentally run into you. You'll never see me go back their.
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Depends on reference point. If you go by the Julian Calendar, we lost out. Maybe we can start the calendar over again at 1880 or the year of the Gutenberg bible or whatever. That should give us plenty of time to have a space Odessey.
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Does VB need to be fast in an environment where computing power doubles every eighteen months? We don't want to get too inefficient and lazy, do we? If you let them get too high level and too bloated, they'll become a stability problem(via. no one can write a really large ap without making atleast one bug and without infinite amount of time to fix them.) Their is nothing wrong with VB but programmers shouldn't wander too far from the roots.
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Use Gnutella. I use the limewire client. You can music, divx movies, and nearly any popular copywrited program in existence if you look hard enough. Why use napster? Napster should pack its bags and settle its losses and move on to "the next big thing."
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That's not really fast. considering the same thing could probably be done on a 50 mhz 486 written in C. It just seems jast because computers are relatively fast compared to the task you are doing. If you don't use every single CPU cycle in calculation then, naturally, it will seem faster than it actually is. More then likely, your program is execution several times more instructions in the background(housekeeping) then you actually know. By the way, your spinning cube is cool. I like it.
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