Or those (like me) who doesn't want to pay. I don't like the idea that those who pay have a louder voice here. I believe it's against Slashdot reader's mentality.
It's like paying for your song to play more and in more important programs on radio...
What the hell are you talking about? It's well-documented that no murders or school violence took place before Magnavox created the first videogame system thirty years ago.
It's because Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition! mmorpg with lan support and 3D renderized npcs was only a beta release...
I was just rebutting the "with Kazaa adimitting to making money off of their copyrights" part of your post. There's a flaw here, that's what I tried to show.
I agree with you that distributing a movie is different than reviewing, but sorry I could not read this in your original post;-)
Here are the allowable purposes for making a copy of a copyrighted work: (1) criticism and comment, (2) parody and satire, (3) scholarship and research, (4) news reporting and (5) teaching [publaw.com].
I am sorry but either your link is broken or I am somewhat blocked from this site.
It's a question about the number one reason, that I could not read entirely. If I can make a copie of a copyrighted material to critize or comment, where is the line draw?
If I copy the Diablo game to make a review to post on my website, is it legal?
And rip a cd to post a review? Maybe just grade the songs in a 0-5 scale on my computer? Is this considered criticism?
Maybe Morpheus needs a subscription services that charges 5 dollars for each 1000 downloads, and the users will complain that the network is made of things produced by them.
Well, I know media companies make money from copyrighted materials. Just read a magazine that talks about Hollywood.
Anyway, I believe that's the reason RIAA can't use the argument "you make money on me". Kazaa's answer would simply be "Therefore stop the presses!".
One of the main arguments of RIAA has always been that p2p (or whetever) _helps_ to infrige copyright's laws. In fact _so much_ that it should be banned. What you said about they control if people can login does have a point, though.
You say Napster did control what people shared? Based on what, they could filter the search queries?
Well, I think Kazaa can too. Even if the query is not routed thru a central server, Kazaa's client could download from time to time a compressed file with information about what files cannot be shared.
It can be done, same argument that the "justice" used to stop Napster. But instead of filtering on the central server, you are going to filter on a client-basis.
Not trying to give anyone (ahem, RIAA) ideas, but I think we should be prepared for Kazaa's shutdown, really soon.
Other than not contacting John Marshall (or Swabby, main Gnucleus developer), what evil have they done? They do provide the source code, and when installing the new Preview Edition, even the GPL itself is presented.
I think they were suddenly disconnected from Fastrack and had to move so fast to not lose their userbase base of millions, that quick, but sadly, badly done, actions had to be taken.
Give them another week to clarify things, first for them, later for the community. I can only imagine the big mess that's currently happening on Morpheus offices... I don't think that bashing will help now.
Still, there has to be more to it than that for KaZaa to cut them off so quickly and unexpectedly, especially since a P2P network's power lies in the size of its audience.
From Kazaa's homepage:
"Morpheus users - Come on over to our place"
Kazaa has spyware, that's where their money come from. For them, any increase on the number of people using their program is good, and NOT using Morpheus.
Kiddie porn maybe, but the internet can't have common laws. The whole world is not built upon common sense, morals, ethics. Every place is different. You can't say somethings in China, but you can in USA.
Your view that kiddie porn is a general rule, where other arguments can be derivated is wrong, you can't apply it to every other situation. To say the defence is brain dead is to underestimate the differences that we are made of.
That's why this case should set precedents. It's a new law for new situations.
There's a problem. They are indeed using one argument (where your data is located), that I don't think have never been used before, at least with huge impacts coming from this decision.
There are a lot of possibilities, but to simplify:
1) You are a business, you must follow the law. But since before none told you that what matters is where your data is located, you're screwed;
2) NOW it's important where you data is. So from one day to the other, you will see a lot of companies suing each other, arguing that the competion is practicing illegal activities;
3) Doesn't matter where you data is. That would be my preferred outcome;
"Our position is, regardless of where the Web site was, if the (alleged) criminal activity occurred on the 'Net, it's outside the jurisdiction" of the United States, he (Burton) added.
He does have a point here. Imagine the Worldwide Operating System in use. If you are downloading an illegal archive from other 200 computers, all those servers/temporary hosts deserve to be punished?
Or is DRM hardware/memory protection, in this case, on a system that's not even designed yet, a solution?
And Morpheus is a company trying to make money on Gnucleus. Like Swabby (main Gnucleus developer) said, he sees no problem on this. It's GPL we are talking about.
But, Morpheus now have to release their modifications at some point. I don't know which old version they got, but Gnucleus in the past was nasty. It crashed a lot under Win2k, didn't have multisource downloading, and a couple of other enhancements that were introduced in Gnucleus 1.6 BETA.
They MUST release their modifications. And if they are based on such older client, there will be many. IF they release those 'hacks', Gnucleus will only get stronger, since already has an edge (earlier version), and it's free. No banners, pop-up's, nothing.
IF they do not, I hope FSF or EFF can help Swabby like they are doing with some other people (Mysql, etc...).
It is an interesting scenario, and Morpheus got to be really careful to not let the ads be an annoyance, or not get trouble with the GPL.
PS: I have been using Gnucleus since version 1.1. GREAT software, if you don't have it, download now!;-)
Sorry if it's a redudant post, had to find an online Portuguese to English dictionary for 'sty'.
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I don't think it work like this. There's also an DeCSS Descrambler mp3, and playing it loud on the street would not make pedestrians criminal. Maybe you, but not who received the unsolicited material.
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An interesting study of why ads don't work on the web.
Note: It's dated September, 1st 1997.
But there's such thing on-line now:
http://slashdot.org/faq/subscriptions.shtml
Or those (like me) who doesn't want to pay. I don't like the idea that those who pay have a louder voice here. I believe it's against Slashdot reader's mentality.
It's like paying for your song to play more and in more important programs on radio...
Even so, Kazaa still can manage to prevent this indexing of allowed files to be shared, by updating this block list from a server from time to time.
It's technically possible.
What the hell are you talking about? It's well-documented that no murders or school violence took place before Magnavox created the first videogame system thirty years ago.
It's because Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition! mmorpg with lan support and 3D renderized npcs was only a beta release...
I think not ;-)
;-)
I was just rebutting the "with Kazaa adimitting to making money off of their copyrights" part of your post. There's a flaw here, that's what I tried to show.
I agree with you that distributing a movie is different than reviewing, but sorry I could not read this in your original post
I'm betting there were some egos involved here.
Poor cubicle child! The right name for this is Marketing!, where lies clash for your buying needs.
Here are the allowable purposes for making a copy of a copyrighted work: (1) criticism and comment, (2) parody and satire, (3) scholarship and research, (4) news reporting and (5) teaching [publaw.com].
I am sorry but either your link is broken or I am somewhat blocked from this site.
It's a question about the number one reason, that I could not read entirely. If I can make a copie of a copyrighted material to critize or comment, where is the line draw?
If I copy the Diablo game to make a review to post on my website, is it legal?
And rip a cd to post a review? Maybe just grade the songs in a 0-5 scale on my computer? Is this considered criticism?
Just imagining.
Maybe Morpheus needs a subscription services that charges 5 dollars for each 1000 downloads, and the users will complain that the network is made of things produced by them.
(no pun intended!)
Well, I know media companies make money from copyrighted materials. Just read a magazine that talks about Hollywood.
Anyway, I believe that's the reason RIAA can't use the argument "you make money on me". Kazaa's answer would simply be "Therefore stop the presses!".
One of the main arguments of RIAA has always been that p2p (or whetever) _helps_ to infrige copyright's laws. In fact _so much_ that it should be banned. What you said about they control if people can login does have a point, though.
You say Napster did control what people shared? Based on what, they could filter the search queries?
Well, I think Kazaa can too. Even if the query is not routed thru a central server, Kazaa's client could download from time to time a compressed file with information about what files cannot be shared.
It can be done, same argument that the "justice" used to stop Napster. But instead of filtering on the central server, you are going to filter on a client-basis.
Not trying to give anyone (ahem, RIAA) ideas, but I think we should be prepared for Kazaa's shutdown, really soon.
Other than not contacting John Marshall (or Swabby, main Gnucleus developer), what evil have they done? They do provide the source code, and when installing the new Preview Edition, even the GPL itself is presented.
I think they were suddenly disconnected from Fastrack and had to move so fast to not lose their userbase base of millions, that quick, but sadly, badly done, actions had to be taken.
Give them another week to clarify things, first for them, later for the community. I can only imagine the big mess that's currently happening on Morpheus offices... I don't think that bashing will help now.
Still, there has to be more to it than that for KaZaa to cut them off so quickly and unexpectedly, especially since a P2P network's power lies in the size of its audience.
From Kazaa's homepage:
"Morpheus users - Come on over to our place"
Kazaa has spyware, that's where their money come from. For them, any increase on the number of people using their program is good, and NOT using Morpheus.
Kiddie porn maybe, but the internet can't have common laws. The whole world is not built upon common sense, morals, ethics. Every place is different. You can't say somethings in China, but you can in USA.
Your view that kiddie porn is a general rule, where other arguments can be derivated is wrong, you can't apply it to every other situation. To say the defence is brain dead is to underestimate the differences that we are made of.
That's why this case should set precedents. It's a new law for new situations.
There's a problem. They are indeed using one argument (where your data is located), that I don't think have never been used before, at least with huge impacts coming from this decision.
There are a lot of possibilities, but to simplify:
1) You are a business, you must follow the law. But since before none told you that what matters is where your data is located, you're screwed;
2) NOW it's important where you data is. So from one day to the other, you will see a lot of companies suing each other, arguing that the competion is practicing illegal activities;
3) Doesn't matter where you data is. That would be my preferred outcome;
"Our position is, regardless of where the Web site was, if the (alleged) criminal activity occurred on the 'Net, it's outside the jurisdiction" of the United States, he (Burton) added.
He does have a point here. Imagine the Worldwide Operating System in use. If you are downloading an illegal archive from other 200 computers, all those servers/temporary hosts deserve to be punished?
Or is DRM hardware/memory protection, in this case, on a system that's not even designed yet, a solution?
Nope.
It's not the weapon that makes one a criminal.
And Morpheus is a company trying to make money on Gnucleus. Like Swabby (main Gnucleus developer) said, he sees no problem on this. It's GPL we are talking about.
;-)
But, Morpheus now have to release their modifications at some point. I don't know which old version they got, but Gnucleus in the past was nasty. It crashed a lot under Win2k, didn't have multisource downloading, and a couple of other enhancements that were introduced in Gnucleus 1.6 BETA.
They MUST release their modifications. And if they are based on such older client, there will be many. IF they release those 'hacks', Gnucleus will only get stronger, since already has an edge (earlier version), and it's free. No banners, pop-up's, nothing.
IF they do not, I hope FSF or EFF can help Swabby like they are doing with some other people (Mysql, etc...).
It is an interesting scenario, and Morpheus got to be really careful to not let the ads be an annoyance, or not get trouble with the GPL.
PS: I have been using Gnucleus since version 1.1. GREAT software, if you don't have it, download now!
He sure wanted to have Gausswith!
587kb, still loading, slooooooooow, and counting!
As publishers of the GNU GPL, the FSF has a basic ethical imperative to educate the public and the judiciary about the license and its terms.
... FSF has to educate judiciary ...
Do I REALLY have to say anything else?
Sorry if it's a redudant post, had to find an online Portuguese to English dictionary for 'sty'.
I don't think it work like this. There's also an DeCSS Descrambler mp3, and playing it loud on the street would not make pedestrians criminal. Maybe you, but not who received the unsolicited material.
There seems to be a dense white cloud running on air tubes from time to time too, but none remembers what it is.
Reminded me of the IWarez history. Getting software will be easier, and while you walk with the dog.
Maybe a MS Office Lane, or Metallica Street?
Well, text ads at least? On Opera you can press "G" so it won't load graphics. Other browsers also have similar functionalities.
Opera, at least for Windows, has it since version 5.0.