"What the data COULD be showing is that the segment of the population that buys more CDs and legal downloads than the rest of the population has gravitated to doing P2P downloading and buying less music, but still buys more music than the rest of the population."
Except that then you'd find that as people download more music they buy less music, which is exactly the opposite of what the data indicate. Rather it would seem to be that as people gravitated to doing P2P downloading they bought significantly more music, while people who didn't graviate to P2P continued to not buy music at all.
And here I thought it had to do with illegally leveraging their desktop monopoly. In terms of "too much fuss", have you seen anyone trying to use ribbons for the first time? With only office 2007 and openoffice installed, (and after people reach the point of throwing things,) openoffice "just works".
The following NEW packages will be installed:
karbon kchart kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kexi kformula kivio kivio-data
koffice koffice-data koffice-libs koshell kplato kpresenter kpresenter-data
krita krita-data kspread kthesaurus kugar kword kword-data libarts1c2a
libavahi-qt3-1 libopenexr2c2a libpoppler1-qt libruby1.8 libwv2-1c2
Libs? Aren't karbon, kchart, kexi, kformula, kivio,kplato, kpresenter, krita, kspread, kthesaurus, kugar, and kword applications? I mean, would you complain that the MS Office libraries are bloated because you have to instal Word, Excel, Access, & PowerPoint?
Actually Firefox is very innovative. The Firefox GUI + plugins has firefox so far ahead that most other options aren't really options. Gnome and KDE are pretty and more functional than MS Windows. While I admire your ability to generate a "Score: 5, insightful" for total and complete bullshit, I have to say it is total and complete bullshit.
"The bar for a patch being included doesn't have to do with whether or not Linus is interested in it as much as it has to do with the quality of the solution." Oh that that were true!
There is, however, a difference between running a server on your home (or development) machine and running a server at, say, amazon.com. Probably different optimizations, yes?
"customized for different purposes", yes this is the point
"desktops are much more powerful than any server you'd be able to buy years ago", not so relevant as so many try to indicate
Just because two people have the same exact car doesn't mean that they wouldn't (or shouldn't) have a different priority list for after-market add-ons. The drug runner is interested in a nitrous oxide booster while the soccer mom wants a DVD to be playing in the back seat. To suggest that cars today are so much faster than a model-T ford and so the drug runner should settle for the DVD player is just wrong.
GNU/Linux/VMWare/WinXP has been my preferred method of running Windows since first I tried it. It boots faster, shuts down faster, and saving images is smooth and easy.
"For Linux to be in the same position we'd have to buy most of microsoft's shares." Well, but it isn't as though China owns half of the bonds. In fact, Japan is holding about twice as much as China holds (and the UK is holding about half of what China holds). http://www.swivel.com/graphs/show/5050649
"Microsoft is the reason that almost every home and business has a computer today." I really can't believe you could really believe this. It wasn't as if MS was easier to use (compare using DOS to Apple's Macintosh) initially, or even after windows came along (I owned windows versions 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, and then finally at 3.1 it was not a joke). It wasn't until *after* MS established market dominance that their software improved.
What does it mean to say its isn't useful to despise (anything) that is just a company? Does MS's convictions matter? Would it be PC to say, "Oh I don't despise MS, I just despise their long history of illegal behavior...but they are just a company, so I don't despise them."
What you present here is a form of ridicule. However the GP and P where not being so childish.
So he's essentially saying I should respect Microsoft for thinking up all the dirty tricks it used to get it's monopoly in the first place.... I am not convinced.
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Why should I have any respect for an organisation that's been convicted of anti-competitive practices on 2 continents? Microsoft is a bunch of crooks selling a third-rate products. Respect has to earned, not expected.
I don't think ridicule means what you at least seem to think it means.
WordNet® 3.0. Princeton University.
ridicule
noun
1. language or behavior intended to mock or humiliate
2. the act of deriding or treating with contempt
I'm pretty sure that statements of fact (convicted of anti-competitive practices on 2 continents) aren't ridicule. Now while "bunch of crooks" is probably fairly well accepted it is perhaps inflammatory, while "third-rate products" is off course subjective and less quantifiable (though also probably fairly well accepted over the course of MS's lifetime).
FTFA "Schwartz: We took a license from AT&T initially for $100 million as we didn't own the IP. The license we took also made clear that we had rights equivalent to ownership."
"That's just silly, because they wouldn't have any say in the matter."
The real question is are there patents or is it just copyrighted? It would be possible to reverse engineer workarounds for copyrighted code, sure. If parts are patented (aqua?) then Apple would have authority to say yea or nea.
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"What the data COULD be showing is that the segment of the population that buys more CDs and legal downloads than the rest of the population has gravitated to doing P2P downloading and buying less music, but still buys more music than the rest of the population."
Except that then you'd find that as people download more music they buy less music, which is exactly the opposite of what the data indicate. Rather it would seem to be that as people gravitated to doing P2P downloading they bought significantly more music, while people who didn't graviate to P2P continued to not buy music at all.
The Cal State San Marcos main server and mail server are both down this morning...
"DirectX already exists. Why reinvent the wheel?"
Exactly! OpenGL already exists, why in hell would anyone invent DirectX?
You do realize that object oriented programming can be done in C?
And here I thought it had to do with illegally leveraging their desktop monopoly. In terms of "too much fuss", have you seen anyone trying to use ribbons for the first time? With only office 2007 and openoffice installed, (and after people reach the point of throwing things,) openoffice "just works".
I can't imagine any professional with an office suite than can't open a Word doc.
Which is one great reason to keep OpenOffice around. It opens MSWord documents that MSWord can no longer open.
The following NEW packages will be installed:
karbon kchart kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kexi kformula kivio kivio-data
koffice koffice-data koffice-libs koshell kplato kpresenter kpresenter-data
krita krita-data kspread kthesaurus kugar kword kword-data libarts1c2a
libavahi-qt3-1 libopenexr2c2a libpoppler1-qt libruby1.8 libwv2-1c2
Libs? Aren't karbon, kchart, kexi, kformula, kivio,kplato, kpresenter, krita, kspread, kthesaurus, kugar, and kword applications? I mean, would you complain that the MS Office libraries are bloated because you have to instal Word, Excel, Access, & PowerPoint?
Actually Firefox is very innovative. The Firefox GUI + plugins has firefox so far ahead that most other options aren't really options. Gnome and KDE are pretty and more functional than MS Windows. While I admire your ability to generate a "Score: 5, insightful" for total and complete bullshit, I have to say it is total and complete bullshit.
"The bar for a patch being included doesn't have to do with whether or not Linus is interested in it as much as it has to do with the quality of the solution." Oh that that were true!
There is, however, a difference between running a server on your home (or development) machine and running a server at, say, amazon.com. Probably different optimizations, yes?
"customized for different purposes", yes this is the point
"desktops are much more powerful than any server you'd be able to buy years ago", not so relevant as so many try to indicate
Just because two people have the same exact car doesn't mean that they wouldn't (or shouldn't) have a different priority list for after-market add-ons. The drug runner is interested in a nitrous oxide booster while the soccer mom wants a DVD to be playing in the back seat. To suggest that cars today are so much faster than a model-T ford and so the drug runner should settle for the DVD player is just wrong.
GNU/Linux/VMWare/WinXP has been my preferred method of running Windows since first I tried it. It boots faster, shuts down faster, and saving images is smooth and easy.
yahoo says:
APPLE INC
Market Cap: 101.79B
Cash And Cash Equivalents: 6,392,000k
Sun Microsystems Inc.
Market Cap: 16.68B
Cash And Cash Equivalents: 3,569,000k
Agreed your argument is valid, I should have explicity lead with that.
"For Linux to be in the same position we'd have to buy most of microsoft's shares." Well, but it isn't as though China owns half of the bonds. In fact, Japan is holding about twice as much as China holds (and the UK is holding about half of what China holds).
http://www.swivel.com/graphs/show/5050649
"Microsoft is the reason that almost every home and business has a computer today." I really can't believe you could really believe this. It wasn't as if MS was easier to use (compare using DOS to Apple's Macintosh) initially, or even after windows came along (I owned windows versions 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, and then finally at 3.1 it was not a joke). It wasn't until *after* MS established market dominance that their software improved.
What does it mean to say its isn't useful to despise (anything) that is just a company? Does MS's convictions matter? Would it be PC to say, "Oh I don't despise MS, I just despise their long history of illegal behavior...but they are just a company, so I don't despise them."
"Consumers gave Microsoft its (questionable at the very least) monopoly"
That isn't what they taught at MBA school. History seems to indicate MS was neither innovative nor cheap.
Well marketing isn't illegal :-) Dirty, maybe, but not illegal...
Surely you are not suggesting that *anyone* emulate illegal business behavior?
respect: high or special regard
So a very special low regard is also respect? Like, "I respect the drug dealers because they carry guns and I've heard they kill people."
FTFA
"Schwartz: We took a license from AT&T initially for $100 million as we didn't own the IP. The license we took also made clear that we had rights equivalent to ownership."
"That's just silly, because they wouldn't have any say in the matter."
The real question is are there patents or is it just copyrighted? It would be possible to reverse engineer workarounds for copyrighted code, sure. If parts are patented (aqua?) then Apple would have authority to say yea or nea.