Not as a switchable option, but alternative as in replacing. This is why there was, as the article says, a generation of Netscape that wouldn't run on either MacOS or Linux.
I don't think 3.0 had Flashblock, NoScript, nor AdBlock. Tabs are kickass. CSS2? mathML? SVG? Methinks that if Netscape 3 had all the features you want, you don't want much. At least not the things I need.
Our physics department keeps OpenOffice around especially for its ability to deal with MS Word documents. So many students use such a variety of MS Word versions, and Word isn't all that great at opening various versions. When Word can't open Word, that is a sad state of affairs.
In what way is betamax more inherently safe? Is there anything about its design that is inherently more secure? Can a VHS tape virus even ever "own" your system? Please try to understand the issue. The rant at hand isn't against standards, it is against de facto standards that are insecure. Everyone drives a car. No on uses horses. This doesn't mean that saying a Corvair blows up and is dangerous means we want to go back to horses. It means we want the companies who make unsafe products to get their act together.
Including Unix as a development environment does make sense. It is part of the design. GUI systems such as Apple or MS implement are of course less a development environment. So I can only meet you half way, in that including Apple as an alternative OS isn't so much on topic. However, leaving Visual Studio for straight Unix *is* a delta IDE.
Interesting link, I especially like that a MS employee stated:
After reading the post, I followed up internally and here's the response from the [academic] team:
Quote: We talked to hundreds of teachers when we built the new academic features in Visual Studio 2005 such as the Class Designer, the Object Test Bench, and the Express product line. Many teachers told us that they liked using Visual Studio with their students, but they felt that it was difficult to teach Object-Oriented Design principles using earlier versions of Visual Studio. One of the scenarios we chose to address was to make Visual Studio 2005 a better tool for teaching object-oriented and service-oriented programming. "Design-time debugging" as a feature was already a planned feature for Visual Studio 2005. Object Test Bench, which evolved as a visualization of this functionality, was influenced by feedback from teachers who were used to working with BlueJ. The Class Designer was also a planned feature of the new "Whitehorse" functionality. We did tweak both of these features based on teacher feedback, which borrows from several teaching concepts these teachers already enjoy with BlueJ. We have received very positive feedback on these features so far, and we welcome more feedback to enhance teaching scenarios even more with our next Visual Studio release, code named "Orcas."
*My* interpretation of the above statement is basically that our academic customers wanted this because of the success of this BlueJ feature.
Well Novell's total current assets are around $1,625,564,000.00 (call it 1 1/2 billion).
Their total assets are around $2,422,600,000.00 (well over 2 billion).
After liabilities their Net Tangible Assets are about $669,085,000.00 (call it 1/2 billion).
If you can pick them up for 11.2M, I'd like to know how.
It is noteworthy that your discourse's S/N ratio went to shit again in the close proximity to the word Communism. Does using the word distort your thinking? Or do you use the word to sling distortions? Either way, it is like a "tell" in poker: you are projecting things that you care about on someone who finds the topic just a little ridiculous.
It is strange that you should think that "fair" implies "reset everyone to equal". Any attempt to equate my rants with communism is *so* obviously enganged in a strawman arguement that either one, you don't follow me, even at all, and/or are exhibiting a knee-jerk reaction to tales you've been told in times long forgotten, or two, I'm being trolled.
"You think that giving a level playing ground will stop people trying to raise themselves above others?"
It doesn't have to, because the point is that things become *fair*. Competition and cooperation are both useful. What is not useful is locking up entire industries behind barriers to entry.
No, its really more like kissing a whore on the mouth that you already knew had multiple STDs, and then wondering why no one will go out with you when you brag about it. MS antitrust issues (past and present) as well as their history of screwing "partners" makes this a much better analogy.
And you think society is doing well now? Check divorce rates, the youth entitlement generations, prevalence of STDs, Breakdown of families, the suicide rate, and on and on. As a Christian I attribute this to original sin. As an Atheist, you can attribute it to societal growing pains.
I think most rational, educated people would agree that society is doing much better now than 1000 years ago, and much much better than 2000 years ago. I personally attribute this to Science.
While it may be true that "contract obligations...are not treated as conditions", that presupposes that they are contract obligations and not conditions. Therefor, you arguement rests on the fact that if they are contract obligations, and not conditions, they fall under contract law and not copyright law. However, the case at hand is not one of "improper conduct (that) constitutes a breach of a covenant undertaken", but rather one where "the nature of a licensee's violation consists of a failure to satisfy a condition to the license". In order to cry WOLF, you have to assume that the failure to satisfy a condition of the license is in fact a breach of covenant undertaken.
In a nutshell, while "the nature of a licensee's violation consists of a failure to satisfy a condition to the license", at the same time failure to satisfy a license condition does constitute failure to satisfy a condition of the license. Since the GPL is 100% copyright license, there is no contract that has any possible breach of covenant issues. Now if you had to meet a contract's obligations in order to recieve the copyright license, and you failed to meet those obligations, *then* you'd have recourse to contract law (but not copyright law) for failure to meet the terms of the contract. Notice that this implies both a contract *and* a copyright that involves said contract.
5. You are not required to accept this License, since you have not signed it. However, nothing else grants you permission to modify or distribute the Program or its derivative works. These actions are prohibited by law if you do not accept this License. Therefore, by modifying or distributing the Program (or any work based on the Program), you indicate your acceptance of this License to do so, and all its terms and conditions for copying, distributing or modifying the Program or works based on it.
You quote this, then go on to add, "However if you want to actually use it, to say nothing of modify and distribute, for that you need to accept the licence offered by the copyright holder - in this case the GPL." It seems you just magicly add the word "use" as though "of course that must almost be covered" without any support.
However, movies are made (not just home video) using linux and free software. Audio studios are ran using linux and free software. Whether graphic artists can exceed their expectations I leave up to debate, because it has certainly been debated often enough here. Office users certainly can use linux, this I know from personal experience. So three out of four categories the answer is a resounding "yes", and the other is a "probably". You've gone from "there is no professional level software available on Linux", to "I can't run Photoshop".
Microsoft software monitors your hardware. They say that if you upgrade enough, you are effectively running the software on a new machine, which you are not licensed to do. Thus, you have to pay for another license. You misread me if you thought I said that I personally know anything about your box. The operating system, on the other hand, has intimate knowledge of the box it is running on. I've had this happen to me, and I've seen other people living in the dorms who've experienced this, too.
You belabor the point that Maya is a 3D modeler (like blender) both of which are not in the same category as Photoshop. That is really not relevant, and it appears you like to argue for the sake of arguing rather than to convey information. Therefor I have no time for you. The relevant fact remains that professionals do use linux because the tools do exist now and they are more than adequate. Everything else is just word play. It appears I've trolled. Oh well, it happens to the best & it happens to the rest.
I've played with both, and if you think it is a "ripoff" then stay in your world and enjoy it. ActiveX sucks. But that is a personal impression, and developer's opinions will vary.
We do have different takes on this indeed. Agreed that it would be hard to ask a Windows/Mac based group to switch, it would likewise be just as hard to ask a Linux based professional shop to switch. In both cases, if you are switching software applications, there are going to be difficulties. But the point is that there are professional shops using both. So in answer to your actual question, "yes", but "no" to your implied desires, since the "yes" won't meet your "needs". This seems to me to because of the way you have phrased your needs. You don't need software that does or performs a given function, but rather you need the same software you are using on your system (or a "drop-in replacement").
Absolutely, Linux will never be for you. However, your competitors might just find a core advantage in competing against you.
In terms of MS Word, it is hardly a stellar example of functionality. While I'm aware that Gimp has UI detractors, as does blender, in terms of Word Processing I'm an actual user. Word and Excel have better alternatives, in terms of ease of use and functionality. It would be crippling moving to MS software, in these two instances, for my needs.
I would suggest that general office secretaries would be happiest staying with MS Office. Anyone who has more demanding needs could do a lot better. Likewise, I've been lead to believe, with commercial graphics and modeling software. Absolutely, it has been suggested, for audio work. But to each their own. You just shouldn't suggest that professionals can't find software that will do what they need. I think you mean, the software titles you are familar with aren't available. That smacks of a vi vs emacs flamewar, which is beneath us.
Agreed: I've seen numerous threads discussing professional use of Linux for audio studio work. This is one area where I think the people actually using it have stepped in and said it can be done, because they were living proof.
Obviously it depends on your field. I'm more involved with modeling than multimedia. However, my understanding was that professionals were using a forked version of gimp for video editing on linux clusters. Is there a commercial version that scales this far? I really don't know. But in terms of professional use, I don't think amateurs have clusters for their video editing.
Likewise, way back when Alias/Wavefront's Maya was cock-of-the-walk, it was available for Linux. Maya used to be *the* app for pro work. Graphics people seemed to be absolutely snobbish about it. Autodesk bought them from SGI, but it looks like Autodesk Maya 8 is still available for (64-bit only) linux. The hard core mathematical physics geek in me finds myself asking: have you looked at Mathematica for visual transformations? Sorry, had to ask...
I had friends who were into Bluegrass, and looking at recording their jam sessions (we are talking a couple hundred people showing up for three day weekends at least once per month thru the spring, summer, and into the fall). I didn't track their progress, as I graduated and moved on to another university, but the impression I gathered was that tools existed. I think they were using Ardour / Jack with RME Hammerfall cards. Obviously this won't work with SoundBlaster toys. Postings on a recent real time kernel article here at slashdot had a number of people talking about what acceptance of real time patches into the kernel will mean in terms of multi-channel live recording. I don't know if Jack is enough for "real" work, or if other real time patches are needed. Again, it isn't really my field. I do remember wanting to buy this really cool synthesizer, but couldn't rationalize it in my budget. $8,000 for a linux sound system? Thats alot of $$$ even for a Korg...
What made you sound like a troll was suggesting that the tens of thousands of applications that are available for linux aren't. If anything, the abundance of software is more disconcerting than the lack of it. If you want to know, "is MS Word available", well only using Wine or Crossover, which to my thinking means "no." If you want to know, "are there word processors", there are many many many approaches. I'm sorry if I misunderstood, I certainly didn't mean to be offensive.
So these aren't my fields, but hopefully this will point you towards information. My understanding is that for professional (studio labs) work, linux is there for audio and video, using Free tools. In terms of graphics, I won't debate gimp & blender & such, because I just don't know. Maya is supposed to be top of the line, though. Hope this helps:-)
Well but, hyperlinking is a major step forward, and it is easy compared to the graphical spatial layout (as described). It is easier to modify what you have, than to make a major transitional jump. It will happen, because the visual layout (as described) would really work. It would require a much more sophisticated set of libraries, though. And asci vs. unicode aside, text is text is pretty simple to work with...Directed graphs don't have such a foundation, yet, to build upon (that I know of, at least.) Wonders, would this qualify for a master's thesis (as a form of scientific visualization)?
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Not as a switchable option, but alternative as in replacing. This is why there was, as the article says, a generation of Netscape that wouldn't run on either MacOS or Linux.
I don't think 3.0 had Flashblock, NoScript, nor AdBlock. Tabs are kickass. CSS2? mathML? SVG? Methinks that if Netscape 3 had all the features you want, you don't want much. At least not the things I need.
Our physics department keeps OpenOffice around especially for its ability to deal with MS Word documents. So many students use such a variety of MS Word versions, and Word isn't all that great at opening various versions. When Word can't open Word, that is a sad state of affairs.
Actually such matters as what document formats to use should be negotiated.
In what way is betamax more inherently safe? Is there anything about its design that is inherently more secure? Can a VHS tape virus even ever "own" your system? Please try to understand the issue. The rant at hand isn't against standards, it is against de facto standards that are insecure. Everyone drives a car. No on uses horses. This doesn't mean that saying a Corvair blows up and is dangerous means we want to go back to horses. It means we want the companies who make unsafe products to get their act together.
Including Unix as a development environment does make sense. It is part of the design. GUI systems such as Apple or MS implement are of course less a development environment. So I can only meet you half way, in that including Apple as an alternative OS isn't so much on topic. However, leaving Visual Studio for straight Unix *is* a delta IDE.
Perhaps it doesn't matter because you aren't distributing the copies?
Well Novell's total current assets are around $1,625,564,000.00 (call it 1 1/2 billion). Their total assets are around $2,422,600,000.00 (well over 2 billion). After liabilities their Net Tangible Assets are about $669,085,000.00 (call it 1/2 billion). If you can pick them up for 11.2M, I'd like to know how.
It is noteworthy that your discourse's S/N ratio went to shit again in the close proximity to the word Communism. Does using the word distort your thinking? Or do you use the word to sling distortions? Either way, it is like a "tell" in poker: you are projecting things that you care about on someone who finds the topic just a little ridiculous.
It is strange that you should think that "fair" implies "reset everyone to equal". Any attempt to equate my rants with communism is *so* obviously enganged in a strawman arguement that either one, you don't follow me, even at all, and/or are exhibiting a knee-jerk reaction to tales you've been told in times long forgotten, or two, I'm being trolled.
"You think that giving a level playing ground will stop people trying to raise themselves above others?"
It doesn't have to, because the point is that things become *fair*. Competition and cooperation are both useful. What is not useful is locking up entire industries behind barriers to entry.
No, its really more like kissing a whore on the mouth that you already knew had multiple STDs, and then wondering why no one will go out with you when you brag about it. MS antitrust issues (past and present) as well as their history of screwing "partners" makes this a much better analogy.
"Isn't the following statement in effect confirming Ballmer's ascertation that Linux users are violating Microsoft's patents?"
Consider the symmetry of the contract:
Novell and Microsoft each promise not to sue the other's customers for patent infringement
Therefore, using your assertion, it must be equally true that Microsoft is admitting that stollen Novell code is in Microsoft's codebase.
;-)
While it may be true that "contract obligations...are not treated as conditions", that presupposes that they are contract obligations and not conditions. Therefor, you arguement rests on the fact that if they are contract obligations, and not conditions, they fall under contract law and not copyright law. However, the case at hand is not one of "improper conduct (that) constitutes a breach of a covenant undertaken", but rather one where "the nature of a licensee's violation consists of a failure to satisfy a condition to the license". In order to cry WOLF, you have to assume that the failure to satisfy a condition of the license is in fact a breach of covenant undertaken.
In a nutshell, while "the nature of a licensee's violation consists of a failure to satisfy a condition to the license", at the same time failure to satisfy a license condition does constitute failure to satisfy a condition of the license. Since the GPL is 100% copyright license, there is no contract that has any possible breach of covenant issues. Now if you had to meet a contract's obligations in order to recieve the copyright license, and you failed to meet those obligations, *then* you'd have recourse to contract law (but not copyright law) for failure to meet the terms of the contract. Notice that this implies both a contract *and* a copyright that involves said contract.
However, movies are made (not just home video) using linux and free software. Audio studios are ran using linux and free software. Whether graphic artists can exceed their expectations I leave up to debate, because it has certainly been debated often enough here. Office users certainly can use linux, this I know from personal experience. So three out of four categories the answer is a resounding "yes", and the other is a "probably". You've gone from "there is no professional level software available on Linux", to "I can't run Photoshop".
Let me repeat this: strawman.
Microsoft software monitors your hardware. They say that if you upgrade enough, you are effectively running the software on a new machine, which you are not licensed to do. Thus, you have to pay for another license. You misread me if you thought I said that I personally know anything about your box. The operating system, on the other hand, has intimate knowledge of the box it is running on. I've had this happen to me, and I've seen other people living in the dorms who've experienced this, too.
You belabor the point that Maya is a 3D modeler (like blender) both of which are not in the same category as Photoshop. That is really not relevant, and it appears you like to argue for the sake of arguing rather than to convey information. Therefor I have no time for you. The relevant fact remains that professionals do use linux because the tools do exist now and they are more than adequate. Everything else is just word play. It appears I've trolled. Oh well, it happens to the best & it happens to the rest.
I've played with both, and if you think it is a "ripoff" then stay in your world and enjoy it. ActiveX sucks. But that is a personal impression, and developer's opinions will vary.
We do have different takes on this indeed. Agreed that it would be hard to ask a Windows/Mac based group to switch, it would likewise be just as hard to ask a Linux based professional shop to switch. In both cases, if you are switching software applications, there are going to be difficulties. But the point is that there are professional shops using both. So in answer to your actual question, "yes", but "no" to your implied desires, since the "yes" won't meet your "needs". This seems to me to because of the way you have phrased your needs. You don't need software that does or performs a given function, but rather you need the same software you are using on your system (or a "drop-in replacement").
Absolutely, Linux will never be for you. However, your competitors might just find a core advantage in competing against you.
In terms of MS Word, it is hardly a stellar example of functionality. While I'm aware that Gimp has UI detractors, as does blender, in terms of Word Processing I'm an actual user. Word and Excel have better alternatives, in terms of ease of use and functionality. It would be crippling moving to MS software, in these two instances, for my needs.
I would suggest that general office secretaries would be happiest staying with MS Office. Anyone who has more demanding needs could do a lot better. Likewise, I've been lead to believe, with commercial graphics and modeling software. Absolutely, it has been suggested, for audio work. But to each their own. You just shouldn't suggest that professionals can't find software that will do what they need. I think you mean, the software titles you are familar with aren't available. That smacks of a vi vs emacs flamewar, which is beneath us.
Agreed: I've seen numerous threads discussing professional use of Linux for audio studio work. This is one area where I think the people actually using it have stepped in and said it can be done, because they were living proof.
Obviously it depends on your field. I'm more involved with modeling than multimedia. However, my understanding was that professionals were using a forked version of gimp for video editing on linux clusters. Is there a commercial version that scales this far? I really don't know. But in terms of professional use, I don't think amateurs have clusters for their video editing.
:-)
Likewise, way back when Alias/Wavefront's Maya was cock-of-the-walk, it was available for Linux. Maya used to be *the* app for pro work. Graphics people seemed to be absolutely snobbish about it. Autodesk bought them from SGI, but it looks like Autodesk Maya 8 is still available for (64-bit only) linux. The hard core mathematical physics geek in me finds myself asking: have you looked at Mathematica for visual transformations? Sorry, had to ask...
I had friends who were into Bluegrass, and looking at recording their jam sessions (we are talking a couple hundred people showing up for three day weekends at least once per month thru the spring, summer, and into the fall). I didn't track their progress, as I graduated and moved on to another university, but the impression I gathered was that tools existed. I think they were using Ardour / Jack with RME Hammerfall cards. Obviously this won't work with SoundBlaster toys. Postings on a recent real time kernel article here at slashdot had a number of people talking about what acceptance of real time patches into the kernel will mean in terms of multi-channel live recording. I don't know if Jack is enough for "real" work, or if other real time patches are needed. Again, it isn't really my field. I do remember wanting to buy this really cool synthesizer, but couldn't rationalize it in my budget. $8,000 for a linux sound system? Thats alot of $$$ even for a Korg...
What made you sound like a troll was suggesting that the tens of thousands of applications that are available for linux aren't. If anything, the abundance of software is more disconcerting than the lack of it. If you want to know, "is MS Word available", well only using Wine or Crossover, which to my thinking means "no." If you want to know, "are there word processors", there are many many many approaches. I'm sorry if I misunderstood, I certainly didn't mean to be offensive.
So these aren't my fields, but hopefully this will point you towards information. My understanding is that for professional (studio labs) work, linux is there for audio and video, using Free tools. In terms of graphics, I won't debate gimp & blender & such, because I just don't know. Maya is supposed to be top of the line, though. Hope this helps
Well but, hyperlinking is a major step forward, and it is easy compared to the graphical spatial layout (as described). It is easier to modify what you have, than to make a major transitional jump. It will happen, because the visual layout (as described) would really work. It would require a much more sophisticated set of libraries, though. And asci vs. unicode aside, text is text is pretty simple to work with...Directed graphs don't have such a foundation, yet, to build upon (that I know of, at least.) Wonders, would this qualify for a master's thesis (as a form of scientific visualization)?