And sysadmins wonder why we programers hate them. To continue, though.
At my current place of employment, it appears that the application teams are considered to be of a much higher caste than us lowly system administrators. They work a purely 9-5 day, and schedule any system work for deep off-hours. Code releases? Done during business hours.
And what do I, as a programmer actually doing work during the day see the sysadmin doing? Playing SimCity or Railroad Tycoon on the fileserver. This is supposed to deserve equal or more respect from the boss? Not. Sysadmin is by definition a part time job. Like network traffic, though, it's of a bursty nature. Plenty of time for slacking, which sysadmins always seem to be doing.
It's crazy. I mean, we're the ones responsible for keeping the systems running. You can write the best code in the world, but if you have a bad sysadmin, your data can be compromised. Heck, your app may not even run at all! And of course, we end up doing the chode work like installing JDK's, installing Oracle (since root needs to run the root.sh script, we have to be around every time Oracle is installed).
And the janitors keep the building clean and presentable. They're responsible for the image of the company. If they didn't lock the doors at night we'd be compromised!
There are 8 of us, and 170+ Sun servers. Each programmer works on only one application. That's not to say their job isn't important -- but the world isn't all about programmers.
And the company doesn't sell sysadmining and tape archiving to customers. It sells OUR product. Besides, one person can USE a great many apps. Writing an app, though is hard and requires one or more people dedicated to it. It's tough and CREATIVE work. What does the sysadmin create? Nothing He is only a user of other people's apps. Besides, I don't see the industry rags reviewing the sysadmining at various companies. They review their PRODUCTS.
Us sysadmins get called at 3:30am when a disk fails. Or when the power goes out.
Um, this is what you agreed to do and are paid to do for this job, right? No one sprang any surprises on you. It's like cops and policemen. They are not the heroes they like to tell everyone they are. They are doing what they are PAID to do. A hero does his deed for free or for the benefit of others. The moment they accept, nay, demand payment for their services, heroism it ain't. At best they're mercenaries (e.g., bounty hunters). The regularly paid ones are employees like everyone else. It's their JOB. And it's fitting that you work at 3:30am once in a while since you sit and play much of the day at work.
Or when some application bonehead deletes their.profile and wants it restored from daily backups.
Again, that's your JOB. Now be a good boy and fetch that file for the ones making the money for the company that prints your paycheck.
And you say programmers have it rough...
Yes. We do. We have to produce something. Not just keep off the shelf hardware/software running. And sometimes we have to write a custom app for you to use too. Don't worry, we'll keep it simple to operate.
Oh, and I make 2/3 what programmers of my same rank do.
Be glad. You barely do half of the work programmers do so what are you complaining about?
But at least I get root. And they don't.:-)
And the janitor has a master key to the building. Your point?
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And sysadmins wonder why we programers hate them. To continue, though.
At my current place of employment, it appears that the application teams are considered to be of a much higher caste than us lowly system administrators. They work a purely 9-5 day, and schedule any system work for deep off-hours. Code releases? Done during business hours.
And what do I, as a programmer actually doing work during the day see the sysadmin doing? Playing SimCity or Railroad Tycoon on the fileserver. This is supposed to deserve equal or more respect from the boss? Not. Sysadmin is by definition a part time job. Like network traffic, though, it's of a bursty nature. Plenty of time for slacking, which sysadmins always seem to be doing.
It's crazy. I mean, we're the ones responsible for keeping the systems running. You can write the best code in the world, but if you have a bad sysadmin, your data can be compromised. Heck, your app may not even run at all! And of course, we end up doing the chode work like installing JDK's, installing Oracle (since root needs to run the root.sh script, we have to be around every time Oracle is installed).
And the janitors keep the building clean and presentable. They're responsible for the image of the company. If they didn't lock the doors at night we'd be compromised!
There are 8 of us, and 170+ Sun servers. Each programmer works on only one application. That's not to say their job isn't important -- but the world isn't all about programmers.
And the company doesn't sell sysadmining and tape archiving to customers. It sells OUR product. Besides, one person can USE a great many apps. Writing an app, though is hard and requires one or more people dedicated to it. It's tough and CREATIVE work. What does the sysadmin create? Nothing He is only a user of other people's apps. Besides, I don't see the industry rags reviewing the sysadmining at various companies. They review their PRODUCTS.
Us sysadmins get called at 3:30am when a disk fails. Or when the power goes out.
Um, this is what you agreed to do and are paid to do for this job, right? No one sprang any surprises on you. It's like cops and policemen. They are not the heroes they like to tell everyone they are. They are doing what they are PAID to do. A hero does his deed for free or for the benefit of others. The moment they accept, nay, demand payment for their services, heroism it ain't. At best they're mercenaries (e.g., bounty hunters). The regularly paid ones are employees like everyone else. It's their JOB. And it's fitting that you work at 3:30am once in a while since you sit and play much of the day at work.
Or when some application bonehead deletes their .profile and wants it restored from daily backups.
Again, that's your JOB. Now be a good boy and fetch that file for the ones making the money for the company that prints your paycheck.
And you say programmers have it rough...
Yes. We do. We have to produce something. Not just keep off the shelf hardware/software running. And sometimes we have to write a custom app for you to use too. Don't worry, we'll keep it simple to operate.
Oh, and I make 2/3 what programmers of my same rank do.
Be glad. You barely do half of the work programmers do so what are you complaining about?
But at least I get root. And they don't. :-)
And the janitor has a master key to the building. Your point?