right... everyone would get into a hissy... *smirks a bit* this is hte same society that has the bill of rights and constitution plainly stating their "god given" rights, having them trampled before their eyes with laws like the Patriot Act and DMCA. God knows what other letters are going to be contrived in the next bill.
NO one cares anymore... they are just letting it happen. Americans are tired, exhausted... they've been beat too much. Only a select few still care anymore...
People are like "why do you always bring up microsoft this, microsoft that" and the best thing to state is, "when microsoft STOPS doing things, then thats when the banter stops"
Its funny really because we do sound like broken records, but we are always talking about recent events, and IT DOES sound like conspiracy theories! but it's NOT!
Consider this: we can rant and rave here and let our frustrations go, or we can kill people in retaliation against how the attrocities are in the business world.
Which is more appealing to you? Let's hope your not on the wrong side:)
Upgrading from Win98/95 to WinXP is smart. -- True
Moving all desktops to Linux is stupid -- True
How can you say those two things in the same sentence? LOL
So what "killer app" does Linux bring to the plate for the average corporate desktop user?
Well, for one, fiscal responsibility. Remember, it's not the desktop *user* that makes the upgrade decisions, it's the people in the IT field that have bosses to explain their choices to. It's fiscal responsibility at it's greatest. I did this at my last job, and was able to get Linux on a couple computers without a thought. Linux isn't hard to use, it isn't some geek thing that only an ubergeek could ever enter into the tomes of the OS... It's changed alot over the past 4-5 years. Hell, my wife uses it, it's that easy to use after it's setup. OpenOffice does have a bit to go, but staroffice has support, so if you have problems you can smack around Sun:)
The best thing about Linux is that you don't need to have a staff of people around constantly to reboot the computer for everyone or find out what dll broke this time. The cost can be a saver almost instantly, as most companies have >10-20 systems which can save a boatload of dough. You really wouldn't need alot of IT staff if you were running Linux, simply because you can remotely administer it and... well.. what breaks? It would narrow down to normal hardware maintainance and doing what an IT staff should be doing... checking for security alerts, etc. (thats not OS specific, every OS has security alerts)
You don't need to train all your IT staff at once, either. You can train 5-10 (change ratio to suit the size of your IT staff) through a bootcamp or whatever you wish, and have them train the rest. OR you could actually hire Linux/Unix guys to join up with your current force. This would greatly increase productivity because it wouldn't be old minds learning something new and passing it on, it would be a new mind refreshing the old minds. (and Linux guys are usually very glad to get a job doing what they love:))
Why are you upgrading? Is it because there is a new flashy interface and the eyecandy is appealing to you, or is it because there is some functionality that you cannot live without and has been the bane of your existance up until this point?
I can see why people upgraded from Win 3.1 to Win95 (even I was impressed.. they did a good job and solved alot of issues) or Win95 to Win98 (shoulda been a service pack, but you know) but it's just odd now. They aren't bringing onything groundbreaking out, mainly flashier interfaces and perhaps new wallpapers and drivers. Oh yeah, and a new scheme to prevent copy protection that basically means you have to reregister when you insert another freaking ramchip. Oh, and technology to prevent "unauthorized" cd replication.
Guys, there are far too many desktops out there now to have to keep up with the jones'. The ones that actually work in the industry: win98 for light duty, WinNT 4 for heavyduty (graphics, etc) or 2000 for mobile computing for heavyduty. There isn't even a way (out of the box) to lock your desktop with ctrl-alt-delete, a true issue if your in a corporation. (oh no.. just log out and log back in, that'll take care of it)
I've tried XP, and it has a backwards approach to everything. First install, every new user is an instant administrator (strike 1), every user (including admin, or "owner" as it calls administrator) has NO password by default. (strike 2) It tried using DHCP by default without any prompts to setup networking.(strike 3) Not a good thing...
I'm sorry, but in the eyes of upgrading, a product has to have an intended reason to be upgraded. From win3.1 to 95 there was a much-needed reason (stability, 32-bit code, Plug-N-Play abilities, much better interface) and the upgrades of Linux are actually upgrades (new abilities in the kernel for ipchains, multiple processors, more stable "insert your hardware here" support, bug fixes, etc). I'm using Gentoo, so I'll use it for an example. If suddenly gentoo made an upgrade of their version of GNU/Linux to require activation codes that coresponded to my hardware, made XFree86 a little flashier with different bells and whistles, and had a proprietary desktop that made surfing the net and my documents (through the same interface) "much easier" (relative thought) I would NOT think about that upgrade because in my eyes it's not an upgrade. it's a crossgrade, just a different way of achieving the same thing with no increase in productivity. It would probably need more system resources on top of that.
I think the answer he wants is something that is Exchange-compatible:)
which basically means that he wants something written by microsoft.... under Unix.... wait.. is that a toilet flushing? Oh no.. thats the laughter from Microsoft.
I've yet to see anything in the least entertaining in flash.. It's mostly been used to show you how 3l33t their company is. I hardly think that the amount of people wanting to get information is in the minority. I hear it all the time from people in the labs, "good god, what the hell is going on... why can't they just get rid of this plugin crap and get to what I want"
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To properly learn something "inside and out" you need to go from source and up.
Either Gentoo or Linux from Scratch.
wish OSX was out for Intel...
Now that would be worth migrating to.
Not sure about *BSD, but with crossover office you can
Or with a talented enough admin (myself not included, but I know it's possible) you can make wine run Office stable like.
But I understand where your coming from.
In order to actually register XP you need to allow it to phone home.
:P
Unless you want to contact one of Microsoft's friendly customer support personnel and talk to them on the phone
I'll bite...
Apple is a wonderful system for those users who don't want to worry about the Operating system.
It's very intuitive.
OSX is only unix on the underside.
The rest is pretty much apple...
You, my friend, are what I consider a parasite.
Uhhh what?
when was the last time Netscape or mozilla ran activeX?
we're talking windows update here.
and besides, your on w2k, he's running win98.
right... everyone would get into a hissy...
*smirks a bit* this is hte same society that has the bill of rights and constitution plainly stating their "god given" rights, having them trampled before their eyes with laws like the Patriot Act and DMCA. God knows what other letters are going to be contrived in the next bill.
NO one cares anymore... they are just letting it happen. Americans are tired, exhausted... they've been beat too much. Only a select few still care anymore...
I only wish I could build a mac as easily as I can build an Intel machine...
It's no use, but kinda funny.
People are like "why do you always bring up microsoft this, microsoft that" and the best thing to state is, "when microsoft STOPS doing things, then thats when the banter stops"
Its funny really because we do sound like broken records, but we are always talking about recent events, and IT DOES sound like conspiracy theories! but it's NOT!
My god LOL...
My god that would be one fast 16-bit application.
:)
Of course, if I recall correctly the size of the disks we have today are too great for dos anyway.
Might be fun to try though
Consider this:
:)
we can rant and rave here and let our frustrations go, or we can kill people in retaliation against how the attrocities are in the business world.
Which is more appealing to you?
Let's hope your not on the wrong side
Mines ctrl-alt-f8...
Gotta love vmware.
good lord, I forgot how hard it was to deal with networking under a Dos/Win3.x environment.
My apologies and condolances to you, my friend.
Usually cutting off the supply to an older OS is forcing people to upgrade over time.
I can't think of another way of doing it without some sort of gestapo running around and forcing people to do it at gunpoint, can you?
Besides, Canon has drivers in the NT HAL.
I agree to to a certain extent... however, I'd go as far to say that Linux on the desktop is as easy to use as Win3.1 was for the desktop.
Back then users had to think to use the desktop, and I believe Linux parellels that notion.
Upgrading from Win98/95 to WinXP is smart. -- True
:)
... well.. what breaks? It would narrow down to normal hardware maintainance and doing what an IT staff should be doing... checking for security alerts, etc. (thats not OS specific, every OS has security alerts)
:))
Moving all desktops to Linux is stupid -- True
How can you say those two things in the same sentence? LOL
So what "killer app" does Linux bring to the plate for the average corporate desktop user?
Well, for one, fiscal responsibility. Remember, it's not the desktop *user* that makes the upgrade decisions, it's the people in the IT field that have bosses to explain their choices to. It's fiscal responsibility at it's greatest. I did this at my last job, and was able to get Linux on a couple computers without a thought.
Linux isn't hard to use, it isn't some geek thing that only an ubergeek could ever enter into the tomes of the OS... It's changed alot over the past 4-5 years. Hell, my wife uses it, it's that easy to use after it's setup. OpenOffice does have a bit to go, but staroffice has support, so if you have problems you can smack around Sun
The best thing about Linux is that you don't need to have a staff of people around constantly to reboot the computer for everyone or find out what dll broke this time. The cost can be a saver almost instantly, as most companies have >10-20 systems which can save a boatload of dough. You really wouldn't need alot of IT staff if you were running Linux, simply because you can remotely administer it and
You don't need to train all your IT staff at once, either. You can train 5-10 (change ratio to suit the size of your IT staff) through a bootcamp or whatever you wish, and have them train the rest. OR you could actually hire Linux/Unix guys to join up with your current force. This would greatly increase productivity because it wouldn't be old minds learning something new and passing it on, it would be a new mind refreshing the old minds. (and Linux guys are usually very glad to get a job doing what they love
Star/OpenOffice opens MUCH slower than MS Office.
And there we have it folks, the one thing that makes-or-breaks an application! Nevermind the rest!
I ask you this question:
Why are you upgrading? Is it because there is a new flashy interface and the eyecandy is appealing to you, or is it because there is some functionality that you cannot live without and has been the bane of your existance up until this point?
I can see why people upgraded from Win 3.1 to Win95 (even I was impressed.. they did a good job and solved alot of issues) or Win95 to Win98 (shoulda been a service pack, but you know) but it's just odd now. They aren't bringing onything groundbreaking out, mainly flashier interfaces and perhaps new wallpapers and drivers.
Oh yeah, and a new scheme to prevent copy protection that basically means you have to reregister when you insert another freaking ramchip. Oh, and technology to prevent "unauthorized" cd replication.
Guys, there are far too many desktops out there now to have to keep up with the jones'. The ones that actually work in the industry: win98 for light duty, WinNT 4 for heavyduty (graphics, etc) or 2000 for mobile computing for heavyduty. There isn't even a way (out of the box) to lock your desktop with ctrl-alt-delete, a true issue if your in a corporation. (oh no.. just log out and log back in, that'll take care of it)
I've tried XP, and it has a backwards approach to everything. First install, every new user is an instant administrator (strike 1), every user (including admin, or "owner" as it calls administrator) has NO password by default. (strike 2) It tried using DHCP by default without any prompts to setup networking.(strike 3) Not a good thing...
I'm sorry, but in the eyes of upgrading, a product has to have an intended reason to be upgraded. From win3.1 to 95 there was a much-needed reason (stability, 32-bit code, Plug-N-Play abilities, much better interface) and the upgrades of Linux are actually upgrades (new abilities in the kernel for ipchains, multiple processors, more stable "insert your hardware here" support, bug fixes, etc).
I'm using Gentoo, so I'll use it for an example. If suddenly gentoo made an upgrade of their version of GNU/Linux to require activation codes that coresponded to my hardware, made XFree86 a little flashier with different bells and whistles, and had a proprietary desktop that made surfing the net and my documents (through the same interface) "much easier" (relative thought) I would NOT think about that upgrade because in my eyes it's not an upgrade. it's a crossgrade, just a different way of achieving the same thing with no increase in productivity. It would probably need more system resources on top of that.
Nah.. they didn't interview the guy behind the counter who unlocks the harddrives :)
By in large, *that* is the stupidest person in the store.
sssh...
Usenet is a myth... it doesn't exist..
I think the answer he wants is something that is Exchange-compatible :)
which basically means that he wants something written by microsoft.... under Unix....
wait.. is that a toilet flushing? Oh no.. thats the laughter from Microsoft.
ummm, entertainment?
I've yet to see anything in the least entertaining in flash.. It's mostly been used to show you how 3l33t their company is.
I hardly think that the amount of people wanting to get information is in the minority. I hear it all the time from people in the labs, "good god, what the hell is going on... why can't they just get rid of this plugin crap and get to what I want"
What you think isn't necessarily the truth.
I know when I worked at American Express and was testing a site launch, I would use vmware for IE and netscape 4 on Linux.
There was once that the site refused to work under IE but worked fine under Netscape! LOL...
I loved the faces at that time =)