Dang... Anonymous poster has some really kickass kung fu!
I had suspected, in my un-technical drivel, exactly what you just said -- hard to fake all those email headers, and hard to pretend you are someone else for any length of time. Much less staff members that you don't know, and with group dynamics that you could only guess at.
>> But above and beyond that... I don't think the media is going to sit still for the analysis that you are talking about. There was no such analysis of Dan Rather's documents of George Bush being AWOL -- the deniers said they were forgeries, and the media accepted that. Nobody bothered to track that they were NEVER proven as forgeries -- everyone accepted it as common knowledge because the media kept repeating it.
I'd suspect that we will get a few "false flag" emails that pop up very shortly, that say things like; "George Bush slept with Big Foot." And then they get discredited. And in the minds of the public -- so will ALL email evidence.
Because a poster submitted a few comments does NOT mean it was sponsored by Daily Kos.
And I don't know what Marvin Bush's security company being involved in setting charges at the WTC has to do with Carl Rove deleting emails. Or how an explosive blast stripping fire retardent off of steel doesn't also blow out windows has anything to do with Bush wanting to invade Iraq since 1998. Or, how you can be such a nitwit.
I suppose some mysteries in this universe aren't meant to be solved.
>> Even though I find it unlikely that someone would or could, forge those emails -- I also expect we have a good guy who made sure they got forwarded. Not for money -- because all you have is great risk, but perhaps because they were sick of these evil people.
Yeah, having the exact email address at the other website is kind of a stretch. I think the emails are real -- but the capturing of them was brilliant!
If BushCo wants to claim they are all forged -- why don't they just cough up all the emails at IronMountain, eh?
No, the number of invalidated voters in Florida was 10 times the number from the election 4 years prior. It was about 8,000 in 1996.
ChoicePoint got a really huge government contract for $10 Million that year-- to basically get 96% of thier invalidated voters completely wrong --and this is giving them the benefit of the doubt for the other 6%.
It's going to be hard to fake all those emails, regardless. You'd have to know a lot about Rove staffer's business. I wouldn't want to even attempt to forge something like that without some real emails to go from. Too easy to debunk. You also have a lot of information to cover in the headers of an email.
Well, to answer that question, I'd just have to say; DC Madam Hookergate NSA domestic spying.
Would it be too far a stretch that politicians that have given Carl Rove a lot of black mail information, might be a little hesitant to stick their necks out too far? >> He who is without sin, may vote with Kusinich for impeachment.
>> At least, that's my best guess on why the Dems don't impeach.
Oh wait.. he's being massacred by the media for using his executive powers with prejudice.
Wow! If I knew the media were starting to throw Bush some hardball questions, I might turn on the TV News.
Oh wait, no, I think you are just mistaking a lot of noise around some accusations that trickle in and some really shoddy coverage that obscures the real issues for "massacre." If the press were "all over Bush" -- how come they haven't mentioned that Laura Bush doesn't sleep at the White House anymore, for over a year?
Outside of Obermann, and the Daily Show -- I don't think I've heard much but really confusing nonsense, which explains why only people on Blogs seem to know what the issues are.
By saying it that way, you let the really bad guys off the hook.
We HAVE to have government. We HAVE to have oversight. Without people who believe in Government and an informed citizenry -- we get Bad government.
There are definitely good and bad politicians, but the BAD ones, right now, are selling out to big corporations and THEY influence and advertise in Big Media. And so as the bad politicians throw dirt everywhere -- it looks like the good politicians are also dirty.
Our system right now, requires that a politician sell out to a big donor. So we can't just quit on politics by throwing up our hands -- we have to change the system to favor good politicians.
Oh, by the way... I've been tracking this for months now on WayneMadsenReport.com.
Before it broke, he was saying he was in contact with an investigator, and told that person about where the WhiteHouse email servers backed up to -- in case certain people being investigated claimed there were no copies.
I'm wondering still if someone didn't just get a whistleblower involved. But the accidental typing of ".org" is more likely. Still, how would you have the equivalent email address sitting at the.org address? Even if they have the email set up -- they still have to have the same email address to not get an error -- right?
Mod parent up for this insight; Why would this be disabled for security reasons? In a place where the identity of witnesses must be preserved, you do not want any way to point to a contact whose primary means of communication is email. The.NK2 file that remembers addresses is not encrypted by default (I don't even know if it can be). Don't believe me? Go to c:Documents and Settings\\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook and open the NK2 file there with wordpad or note pad or your editor of choice (assuming it's not word).
Yeah, the Address book would be cached to the main Exchange server. If you DON'T want, say, Abramoff's email address on the server, you don't ever add it to the address book. Makes sense.
You guys find it suspicious that 500,000 emails went to the wrong address, but that they accidentally LOST 5 Million emails -- that prosecutors told them in 2004 NOT TO REMOVE. And they were so niave that they used a third party to circumvent the oversight and security clauses of the Hatch Act..... and then you still find it EASY, to forge 500,000 emails from people you don't know over the course of a few years.
>> And now you are having a hard time about someone storing a typo in an address book? They could have easily had an auto-responder set up in the email system for years, that forwarded email.
>> Or I could even accept that there are a few GOOD GUYS, who might have seen this fascist takeover and the attempt to circumvent justice and added in a forwarding entry at the email hosting company.
But I'm really having a hard time, thinking that anyone could forge 500,000 emails. Much less someone giving a pass to these folks that everything they've done is so very innocent.
c) If he's really REALLY so interested in the right thing happening, and all that, why hasn't he forwarded these to the congressmen who are looking into these matters instead of announcing them on the radio?
>> Since Greg Pallast has been censored from American media... I doubt he'd be as dumb as the DC Madam and just hand them over to ABC, or to someone like Joe Biden, who might trade them for favors. I doubt I would trust anyone. If you want to read some of them -- just read his book. Please, pay full price!
The reason this isn't getting much media hype is probably that most of the MSM have strong enough doubts as to the credibility of the evidence as to make it non viable to bring up.
>> Yeah, the media is so careful about sensationalism. While they followed every bartender in Aruba looking for one missing white girl, or every aspect of Howard Dean going "Yeehaw!" Apparently, a list of Johns on the DC Madam list is TOO BORING to reveal. And you know, a guy like Greg Palast who is going to get the Pulitzer price for his revelations about voter fraud in Florida, and for having top-notch reporting is nobody to listen to.
I really can't wait for these emails to be released. Then we will be debating that "caging" doesn't mean to disenfranchise all the Blacks in Florida (which he indicated staff members were gloating over).
While Clinton was proved innocent of perjury by Ken Starr. The issue of "sex" and "character" were simply diversionary tactics.
>> Yeah. Right. They were throwing everything they could at Clinton for 8 years. And the ONLY thing they got him on was misleading the court about a sexual matter UNRELATED to the charge.
But again, you point out that the LEGAL case was, correctly, about perjury. And THAT is also what is being brought up in THIS investigation. If they have nothing to hide -- why are so many resigning? One lousy investigation in 7 years, and all of a sudden, Democrats are HOUNDING Gonzales's legal staff? Is anyone left at the justice department?
Sure, Greg Palast is going to falsify 500,000 emails from a powerful government operative.
If just one or two show up to be forged...
You can make something electronic like that... but that many? With names, dates and what people are thinking that day? What, you have 10 people hired for two years to role play Rove's staff members?
Man, that would be a LOT harder than rigging explosives for Marvin Bush's crew two months prior to 9/11... and I hear THAT is a tin-foil-hat theory from people who are wrong about everything. Jeez, in this world, apparently, you can't be trusted unless you are entirely full of crap all the time.
>> I really don't care if this appears to be flame-bate. I've hated Bush for so long -- I could go incandescent. To put up with the yammering from ALWAYS WRONG Bush supporters, and somehow THEY are credibible. And what's more that if there is a position left on the fence in this manner -- it's inhabited by morons. My rant should be elevated to a shining beacon of truth, ready to set fire to people who should be tarred and feathered.
And I will stand by this position for years to come, while many of you, I'm sure, will pretend to never have voted for Bush, and to hide your "W" stickers with the bellbottoms in the closet.
Wait..... the topic of this thread is about Missing Emails.
So, when two Seperate federal prosecutors told ROVE not to delete emails, and he does -- he obstructed justice.
Then, Gonzales LIED to Congress -- which is LEGALLY, the same as perjury in a trial, because CONGRESS, is an investigative body of the government.
>> Just because Bush is constantly doing something crooked -- doesn't mean we are being partisan for pointing it out. Would it help our credibility of Bush did something honest so we could point it out? Sure. But it's like saying; "You are accusing this bank robber of stealing from over 20 banks! Now, one or two, we could perhaps accept and tell the jury with a straight face this many is guilty -- but 20, why, that's just ostentatious!"
Obstruction of Justice. Murder of two prosecutors. Stolen elections; http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=greg+p alast&search=Search An IRS man stabbed to death 35 times and the FBI called it suicide. Weapons contractors and Abramoff. The DC Madam and Cheney which is connected to the Hookergate and the CIA.
What do all these things have to do with each other?... here is what I posted before;
Yeah, the precedent is to change hats at the beginning of a term.
Bush, however, got everyone to fill out their resignations, and just kept them. The ones fired, were prosecuting Republican election fraud, or failing to persue Democratic voter fraud -- of which I think there is perhaps one legitimate case in the entire country (ironically, this could just be Anne Coulter--oops!). They've been trying to make a case like someone is able to rig an election by busing voters here and there, to commit a felony, only to change the vote by a bus load of people. Ain't going to work. The vast majority (OK -- ALL) legendary voter fraud comes down to people registering in one place, and failing to un-register when they move elsewhere. Innocent, and normal stuff. While disenfranchising voters, and throwing out legitimate votes, is somehow not a federal crime and happens all the time.
>> But the Prosecutor firings are even a bigger deal than this. From the Daily Kos; McClatchy: In an e-mail dated May 11, 2006, Sampson urged the White House counsel's office to call him regarding "the real problem we have right now with Carol Lam," who then the U.S. attorney for southern California. Earlier that morning, the Los Angeles Times reported that Lam's corruption investigation of former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., had expanded to include another California Republican, Rep Jerry Lewis.
Perhaps what is lost in all this confusion over who said what when and which prosecutors were bushies and which were not is just how significant Lam's investigation was. This paragraph from an August 2006 article in Vanity Fair will instruct:
Tens of thousands of pages of congressional documents going as far back as 1997 have been demanded by the U.S. Attorney's Office in San Diego. The C.I.A., Pentagon, I.R.S., and F.B.I. are conducting investigations, and at least three congressional committees are cooperating in hopelessly tardy fashion. "We are scrubbing" is how a staffer on the intelligence committee puts it. Washington is unraveling.
>> So it was all about stopping the Carol Lam investigation. It leads back to Abramoff, arms contractors, and two murdered prosecutors
The TRUTH is not a middle ground -- that is opinion.
For all the of the fun Olbermann has on his topics, and the opinion he has of O'Reilly, Olbermann is NOT a Liberal. It's just that Truth is often mistaken for Liberalism.
Olbermann is just reporting the facts. And O'Reilly is blowing chunks out of his ass.
This is kind of like saying; Between Nazis and Democracy -- somewhere there is truth. Yeah, like right next to Democracy. Anyone sane and rational right now is labeled a Liberal Extremist. If you happened to find someone called a Moderate, they are merely people who can't scribble copies of Republican PR fast enough. "Wait, what was that you just said about needing to spy on everyone in case they are talking to Bin Laden?... I just broke my pencil."
Since most of the energy of a supernova is supposed to be composed of neutrino emissions, and the Big Bang could definitely be considered a big explosion, they are saying that; a lot of the mass of the universe is basically the "missing mass" or Neutrinos (fast energy) and Neutron matter (cold, slow, not having electrical charge of electrons and protons).
That said, you could still have a Local, Big Bang, and have a much bigger Universe with more than one big bang. As I've posted above; I think the limit on light speed, also puts an upper limit on the amount of matter in a given area (acceleration from a gravity well being the same as speed). So stars get so big, galaxies get only so big, and Universes get only so big.
We've increased the size of the universe, becauase we have bigger and better telescopes now. There is a lot of space, dust, and distortion limiting the extent of space we can look at. It is very possible, that one day we will be able to peer farther in the Universe, and see that there is more of it.
What isn't explained about the Non-baryonic matter (from my quick read), is if it is influenced by gravity. If it's clumps of Neutrons -- it still has mass, so would be making the light from galaxies much more cloudy.
The moist packets of air move from the eye-wall to the eye and supercharge the Hot Tower.... OK, I'm kind of getting that this may be the script for: "Confessions of the Pizza Boy."
Everyone talks about the weather, but nobody ever does anything about it. I'm sure if we started calling Hurricanes "the Pizza Boy" and perhaps talk about the heat exchange as a marriage between wind and moisture, well, we'd have the administration right on top of those Shenanigans. "Well send our best man -- Jeff Gannon, and he'll jump right on that. We can't have unnatural marriages in this country."
Yeah, the precedent is to change hats at the beginning of a term.
Bush, however, got everyone to fill out their resignations, and just kept them. The ones fired, were prosecuting Republican election fraud, or failing to persue Democratic voter fraud -- of which I think there is perhaps one legitimate case in the entire country. They've been trying to make a case like someone is able to rig an election by busing voters here and there, to commit a felony, only to change the vote by a bus load of people. Ain't going to work. The vast majority (OK -- ALL) legendary voter fraud comes down to people registering in one place, and failing to un-register when they move elsewhere. Innocent, and normal stuff. While disenfranchising voters, and throwing out legitimate votes, is somehow not a federal crime and happens all the time.
>> But the Prosecutor firings are even a bigger deal than this. From the Daily Kos; McClatchy: In an e-mail dated May 11, 2006, Sampson urged the White House counsel's office to call him regarding "the real problem we have right now with Carol Lam," who then the U.S. attorney for southern California. Earlier that morning, the Los Angeles Times reported that Lam's corruption investigation of former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., had expanded to include another California Republican, Rep Jerry Lewis.
Perhaps what is lost in all this confusion over who said what when and which prosecutors were bushies and which were not is just how significant Lam's investigation was. This paragraph from an August 2006 article in Vanity Fair will instruct:
Tens of thousands of pages of congressional documents going as far back as 1997 have been demanded by the U.S. Attorney's Office in San Diego. The C.I.A., Pentagon, I.R.S., and F.B.I. are conducting investigations, and at least three congressional committees are cooperating in hopelessly tardy fashion. "We are scrubbing" is how a staffer on the intelligence committee puts it. Washington is unraveling.
>> So it was all about stopping the Carol Lam investigation. It leads back to Abramoff, arms contractors, and two murdered prosecutors.
If the Universe is expanding at a greater rate -- then it's Swarzschild radius must stay constant, while the mass gets more dispersed. The assumption that the Universe has enough mass to curve space time -- depends upon the amount of space and the speed of the particles. I'm pretty sure the calculations depended upon how much mass it would take to overcome the current size and speed of the universe -- too little and the square of the distance means that gravity approaches zero, BEFORE it's deceleration of the particles does -- thus, they approach zero forever, with light and particles never curving back.
If you take the Big Bang at face value -- than the fastest possible moment of the particles that make up the universe would have to have been shortly after it exploded (not immediatly, because there was reaction mass). After that, everything would have to continuously slowed down, a little bit moment after moment, as the continual "pull" of gravity draws everything back together.
Well, the Universe is accelerationg at an increasing rate. I have three theories (since I was 12) that kind of make sense of that; 1) There is a more massive MegaVerse (beyond the shock wave of our own and not observeable with conventional means -- because light has a finite limit and the "shock wave" of our space/time would compress all light beyond x-ray that moved into it). The outside mass pulls on our universe. Eventually, parts of these megaverses clump into discrete critical masses at create Big-Bangs. Lots of bubbles going "pop" all the time and would create massive but very distant bursts of Neutrino and Tachyon radiation. Due to gravity, all objects have an upper size limit -- that includes Universes. Has to do with the limit on light speed. 2) All objects in the Universe are shrinking at the same rate. This is pretty esoteric but is useful in describing electric charge -- which has to do with energy states of past and future time. Nothing in this universe exists in the present. Everything approaches Zero. Being that the MegaVerse is everything, we will never reach Zero -- and it isn't anything to worry about. It just means that you can get something from nothing-- and that's why we are here. 3) Gravity doesn't pull, it pushes. Objects are attracted to each other, because gravity is pushing away from matter. Gravity streams don't like to push against streams (well, kind of like water flowing to a lower spot -- high energy to low, Gravity spreads out because that creates the least pressure -- thus gravity gets distributed evenly over distances), so it all gets generalized as one general force. But close to the earth, we can create a Gravity Map. Larger objects affect larger objects more than smaller objects. Since it pushes more, everywhere objects are not -- it essentially acts just like pulling, but in esoteric ways, it should allow us to create objects that attract or repell each others gravities by harmonizing gravity waves. It also results in Fusion, and not just collapsing gravity wells. >> Note, I'm saying that all three of these theories are what we see in the Universe, and it explains just about everything.
I'd have to say, in my mad theory -- it is about the Number of particles, not the Schwarzschild radius. Meaning, you can compress the earth into 9 mm and perhaps get fusion-- but not a black hole. What would you be compressing it with to get it to 9 mm? That, perhaps, would require enough matter to CREATE a black hole -- so you aren't going to get a Swcharzschild radius on anything but a massive star -- and a super massive star won't create a black hole -- the Repulsive force of gravity will force space/time to collapse on itself in the explosion, and you won't be left with the "black hole". You'll get a lot of Neutrinos and a really big bang.
Think about it. It's pretty simple and I don't know why so many just don't see it; if there is a maximum speed to light. And being in a gravity well is equivalent to acceleration. There is a maximum acceleration and therefore a maximum g
I'd say there are businesses. And people. And inbetween the two, are pirates of various sizes. The small ones go to prison and the big ones run everything.
Bill Gates ripped off a lot of ideas when he "patented" basic. Then stole CP/M to make IBM DOS (with the help of another hacker). Then he took from Apple and gave to Windows. Not that he wasn't smart and brilliant -- and really lucky. IBM's fear of getting sued into oblivion, was long enough for Bill to acquire a critical mass of lawyers. Now he just sues everyone else into oblivion if he can't compete against them. He used to do both -- then get the stock for cheap, and decide in a board meeting not to sue himself. Brilliant.
You and I, however, will get twenty years for our mp3 or some marijuana -- while legitimate people use copyright law and oxycontin. Better drugs for better profits.
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Dang...
Anonymous poster has some really kickass kung fu!
I had suspected, in my un-technical drivel, exactly what you just said -- hard to fake all those email headers, and hard to pretend you are someone else for any length of time. Much less staff members that you don't know, and with group dynamics that you could only guess at.
>> But above and beyond that... I don't think the media is going to sit still for the analysis that you are talking about. There was no such analysis of Dan Rather's documents of George Bush being AWOL -- the deniers said they were forgeries, and the media accepted that. Nobody bothered to track that they were NEVER proven as forgeries -- everyone accepted it as common knowledge because the media kept repeating it.
I'd suspect that we will get a few "false flag" emails that pop up very shortly, that say things like; "George Bush slept with Big Foot." And then they get discredited. And in the minds of the public -- so will ALL email evidence.
Yes, like the DC Madam's client list.
[cough] Dick Cheney [cough]
Because a poster submitted a few comments does NOT mean it was sponsored by Daily Kos.
And I don't know what Marvin Bush's security company being involved in setting charges at the WTC has to do with Carl Rove deleting emails. Or how an explosive blast stripping fire retardent off of steel doesn't also blow out windows has anything to do with Bush wanting to invade Iraq since 1998. Or, how you can be such a nitwit.
I suppose some mysteries in this universe aren't meant to be solved.
Daily Kos doesn't touch that stuff with Chewbacca's pole.
I wish I had mod points for your post. Well said.
>> Even though I find it unlikely that someone would or could, forge those emails -- I also expect we have a good guy who made sure they got forwarded. Not for money -- because all you have is great risk, but perhaps because they were sick of these evil people.
Yeah, having the exact email address at the other website is kind of a stretch. I think the emails are real -- but the capturing of them was brilliant!
If BushCo wants to claim they are all forged -- why don't they just cough up all the emails at IronMountain, eh?
No, the number of invalidated voters in Florida was 10 times the number from the election 4 years prior. It was about 8,000 in 1996.
ChoicePoint got a really huge government contract for $10 Million that year-- to basically get 96% of thier invalidated voters completely wrong --and this is giving them the benefit of the doubt for the other 6%.
Are any emails signed with Cryptographic hashes?
It's going to be hard to fake all those emails, regardless. You'd have to know a lot about Rove staffer's business. I wouldn't want to even attempt to forge something like that without some real emails to go from. Too easy to debunk. You also have a lot of information to cover in the headers of an email.
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Well, to answer that question, I'd just have to say;
DC Madam
Hookergate
NSA domestic spying.
Would it be too far a stretch that politicians that have given Carl Rove a lot of black mail information, might be a little hesitant to stick their necks out too far?
>> He who is without sin, may vote with Kusinich for impeachment.
>> At least, that's my best guess on why the Dems don't impeach.
Oh wait.. he's being massacred by the media for using his executive powers with prejudice.
Wow! If I knew the media were starting to throw Bush some hardball questions, I might turn on the TV News.
Oh wait, no, I think you are just mistaking a lot of noise around some accusations that trickle in and some really shoddy coverage that obscures the real issues for "massacre." If the press were "all over Bush" -- how come they haven't mentioned that Laura Bush doesn't sleep at the White House anymore, for over a year?
Outside of Obermann, and the Daily Show -- I don't think I've heard much but really confusing nonsense, which explains why only people on Blogs seem to know what the issues are.
By saying it that way, you let the really bad guys off the hook.
We HAVE to have government. We HAVE to have oversight. Without people who believe in Government and an informed citizenry -- we get Bad government.
There are definitely good and bad politicians, but the BAD ones, right now, are selling out to big corporations and THEY influence and advertise in Big Media. And so as the bad politicians throw dirt everywhere -- it looks like the good politicians are also dirty.
Our system right now, requires that a politician sell out to a big donor. So we can't just quit on politics by throwing up our hands -- we have to change the system to favor good politicians.
>> But, I totally get your sentiment.
Oh, by the way... I've been tracking this for months now on WayneMadsenReport.com.
.org address? Even if they have the email set up -- they still have to have the same email address to not get an error -- right?
Before it broke, he was saying he was in contact with an investigator, and told that person about where the WhiteHouse email servers backed up to -- in case certain people being investigated claimed there were no copies.
I'm wondering still if someone didn't just get a whistleblower involved. But the accidental typing of ".org" is more likely. Still, how would you have the equivalent email address sitting at the
Mod parent up for this insight; .NK2 file that remembers addresses is not encrypted by default (I don't even know if it can be). Don't believe me? Go to c:Documents and Settings\\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook and open the NK2 file there with wordpad or note pad or your editor of choice (assuming it's not word).
Why would this be disabled for security reasons? In a place where the identity of witnesses must be preserved, you do not want any way to point to a contact whose primary means of communication is email. The
Yeah, the Address book would be cached to the main Exchange server. If you DON'T want, say, Abramoff's email address on the server, you don't ever add it to the address book. Makes sense.
Oops.
Sorry, I thought there were 500,000. Are you sure only 500?
Wait.
.... and then you still find it EASY, to forge 500,000 emails from people you don't know over the course of a few years.
... I doubt he'd be as dumb as the DC Madam and just hand them over to ABC, or to someone like Joe Biden, who might trade them for favors. I doubt I would trust anyone. If you want to read some of them -- just read his book. Please, pay full price!
You guys find it suspicious that 500,000 emails went to the wrong address, but that they accidentally LOST 5 Million emails -- that prosecutors told them in 2004 NOT TO REMOVE. And they were so niave that they used a third party to circumvent the oversight and security clauses of the Hatch Act.
>> And now you are having a hard time about someone storing a typo in an address book? They could have easily had an auto-responder set up in the email system for years, that forwarded email.
>> Or I could even accept that there are a few GOOD GUYS, who might have seen this fascist takeover and the attempt to circumvent justice and added in a forwarding entry at the email hosting company.
But I'm really having a hard time, thinking that anyone could forge 500,000 emails. Much less someone giving a pass to these folks that everything they've done is so very innocent.
c) If he's really REALLY so interested in the right thing happening, and all that, why hasn't he forwarded these to the congressmen who are looking into these matters instead of announcing them on the radio?
>> Since Greg Pallast has been censored from American media
The reason this isn't getting much media hype is probably that most of the MSM have strong enough doubts as to the credibility of the evidence as to make it non viable to bring up.
>> Yeah, the media is so careful about sensationalism. While they followed every bartender in Aruba looking for one missing white girl, or every aspect of Howard Dean going "Yeehaw!" Apparently, a list of Johns on the DC Madam list is TOO BORING to reveal. And you know, a guy like Greg Palast who is going to get the Pulitzer price for his revelations about voter fraud in Florida, and for having top-notch reporting is nobody to listen to.
I really can't wait for these emails to be released. Then we will be debating that "caging" doesn't mean to disenfranchise all the Blacks in Florida (which he indicated staff members were gloating over).
Exactly!
And Gonzo perjured himself.
While Clinton was proved innocent of perjury by Ken Starr.
The issue of "sex" and "character" were simply diversionary tactics.
>> Yeah. Right. They were throwing everything they could at Clinton for 8 years. And the ONLY thing they got him on was misleading the court about a sexual matter UNRELATED to the charge.
But again, you point out that the LEGAL case was, correctly, about perjury. And THAT is also what is being brought up in THIS investigation. If they have nothing to hide -- why are so many resigning? One lousy investigation in 7 years, and all of a sudden, Democrats are HOUNDING Gonzales's legal staff? Is anyone left at the justice department?
Sure, Greg Palast is going to falsify 500,000 emails from a powerful government operative.
If just one or two show up to be forged...
You can make something electronic like that... but that many? With names, dates and what people are thinking that day? What, you have 10 people hired for two years to role play Rove's staff members?
Man, that would be a LOT harder than rigging explosives for Marvin Bush's crew two months prior to 9/11... and I hear THAT is a tin-foil-hat theory from people who are wrong about everything.
Jeez, in this world, apparently, you can't be trusted unless you are entirely full of crap all the time.
>> I really don't care if this appears to be flame-bate. I've hated Bush for so long -- I could go incandescent. To put up with the yammering from ALWAYS WRONG Bush supporters, and somehow THEY are credibible. And what's more that if there is a position left on the fence in this manner -- it's inhabited by morons. My rant should be elevated to a shining beacon of truth, ready to set fire to people who should be tarred and feathered.
And I will stand by this position for years to come, while many of you, I'm sure, will pretend to never have voted for Bush, and to hide your "W" stickers with the bellbottoms in the closet.
Wait..... the topic of this thread is about Missing Emails.
So, when two Seperate federal prosecutors told ROVE not to delete emails, and he does -- he obstructed justice.
Then, Gonzales LIED to Congress -- which is LEGALLY, the same as perjury in a trial, because CONGRESS, is an investigative body of the government.
>> Just because Bush is constantly doing something crooked -- doesn't mean we are being partisan for pointing it out. Would it help our credibility of Bush did something honest so we could point it out? Sure. But it's like saying; "You are accusing this bank robber of stealing from over 20 banks! Now, one or two, we could perhaps accept and tell the jury with a straight face this many is guilty -- but 20, why, that's just ostentatious!"
Obstruction of Justice.p alast&search=Search
... here is what I posted before;
Murder of two prosecutors.
Stolen elections; http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=greg+
An IRS man stabbed to death 35 times and the FBI called it suicide.
Weapons contractors and Abramoff.
The DC Madam and Cheney which is connected to the Hookergate and the CIA.
What do all these things have to do with each other?
Yeah, the precedent is to change hats at the beginning of a term.
Bush, however, got everyone to fill out their resignations, and just kept them.
The ones fired, were prosecuting Republican election fraud, or failing to persue Democratic voter fraud -- of which I think there is perhaps one legitimate case in the entire country (ironically, this could just be Anne Coulter--oops!). They've been trying to make a case like someone is able to rig an election by busing voters here and there, to commit a felony, only to change the vote by a bus load of people. Ain't going to work. The vast majority (OK -- ALL) legendary voter fraud comes down to people registering in one place, and failing to un-register when they move elsewhere. Innocent, and normal stuff. While disenfranchising voters, and throwing out legitimate votes, is somehow not a federal crime and happens all the time.
>> But the Prosecutor firings are even a bigger deal than this.
From the Daily Kos;
McClatchy:
In an e-mail dated May 11, 2006, Sampson urged the White House counsel's office to call him regarding "the real problem we have right now with Carol Lam," who then the U.S. attorney for southern California. Earlier that morning, the Los Angeles Times reported that Lam's corruption investigation of former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., had expanded to include another California Republican, Rep Jerry Lewis.
Perhaps what is lost in all this confusion over who said what when and which prosecutors were bushies and which were not is just how significant Lam's investigation was. This paragraph from an August 2006 article in Vanity Fair will instruct:
Tens of thousands of pages of congressional documents going as far back as 1997 have been demanded by the U.S. Attorney's Office in San Diego. The C.I.A., Pentagon, I.R.S., and F.B.I. are conducting investigations, and at least three congressional committees are cooperating in hopelessly tardy fashion. "We are scrubbing" is how a staffer on the intelligence committee puts it. Washington is unraveling.
>> So it was all about stopping the Carol Lam investigation. It leads back to Abramoff, arms contractors, and two murdered prosecutors
The TRUTH is not a middle ground -- that is opinion.
For all the of the fun Olbermann has on his topics, and the opinion he has of O'Reilly, Olbermann is NOT a Liberal. It's just that Truth is often mistaken for Liberalism.
Olbermann is just reporting the facts. And O'Reilly is blowing chunks out of his ass.
This is kind of like saying; Between Nazis and Democracy -- somewhere there is truth. Yeah, like right next to Democracy. Anyone sane and rational right now is labeled a Liberal Extremist. If you happened to find someone called a Moderate, they are merely people who can't scribble copies of Republican PR fast enough. "Wait, what was that you just said about needing to spy on everyone in case they are talking to Bin Laden?... I just broke my pencil."
Would non-baryonic mean matter made of Neutrons?
Since most of the energy of a supernova is supposed to be composed of neutrino emissions, and the Big Bang could definitely be considered a big explosion, they are saying that; a lot of the mass of the universe is basically the "missing mass" or Neutrinos (fast energy) and Neutron matter (cold, slow, not having electrical charge of electrons and protons).
That said, you could still have a Local, Big Bang, and have a much bigger Universe with more than one big bang. As I've posted above; I think the limit on light speed, also puts an upper limit on the amount of matter in a given area (acceleration from a gravity well being the same as speed). So stars get so big, galaxies get only so big, and Universes get only so big.
We've increased the size of the universe, becauase we have bigger and better telescopes now. There is a lot of space, dust, and distortion limiting the extent of space we can look at. It is very possible, that one day we will be able to peer farther in the Universe, and see that there is more of it.
What isn't explained about the Non-baryonic matter (from my quick read), is if it is influenced by gravity. If it's clumps of Neutrons -- it still has mass, so would be making the light from galaxies much more cloudy.
The moist packets of air move from the eye-wall to the eye and supercharge the Hot Tower....
OK, I'm kind of getting that this may be the script for: "Confessions of the Pizza Boy."
Everyone talks about the weather, but nobody ever does anything about it. I'm sure if we started calling Hurricanes "the Pizza Boy" and perhaps talk about the heat exchange as a marriage between wind and moisture, well, we'd have the administration right on top of those Shenanigans.
"Well send our best man -- Jeff Gannon, and he'll jump right on that. We can't have unnatural marriages in this country."
Yeah, the precedent is to change hats at the beginning of a term.
Bush, however, got everyone to fill out their resignations, and just kept them.
The ones fired, were prosecuting Republican election fraud, or failing to persue Democratic voter fraud -- of which I think there is perhaps one legitimate case in the entire country. They've been trying to make a case like someone is able to rig an election by busing voters here and there, to commit a felony, only to change the vote by a bus load of people. Ain't going to work. The vast majority (OK -- ALL) legendary voter fraud comes down to people registering in one place, and failing to un-register when they move elsewhere. Innocent, and normal stuff. While disenfranchising voters, and throwing out legitimate votes, is somehow not a federal crime and happens all the time.
>> But the Prosecutor firings are even a bigger deal than this.
From the Daily Kos;
McClatchy:
In an e-mail dated May 11, 2006, Sampson urged the White House counsel's office to call him regarding "the real problem we have right now with Carol Lam," who then the U.S. attorney for southern California. Earlier that morning, the Los Angeles Times reported that Lam's corruption investigation of former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., had expanded to include another California Republican, Rep Jerry Lewis.
Perhaps what is lost in all this confusion over who said what when and which prosecutors were bushies and which were not is just how significant Lam's investigation was. This paragraph from an August 2006 article in Vanity Fair will instruct:
Tens of thousands of pages of congressional documents going as far back as 1997 have been demanded by the U.S. Attorney's Office in San Diego. The C.I.A., Pentagon, I.R.S., and F.B.I. are conducting investigations, and at least three congressional committees are cooperating in hopelessly tardy fashion. "We are scrubbing" is how a staffer on the intelligence committee puts it. Washington is unraveling.
>> So it was all about stopping the Carol Lam investigation. It leads back to Abramoff, arms contractors, and two murdered prosecutors.
If the Universe is expanding at a greater rate -- then it's Swarzschild radius must stay constant, while the mass gets more dispersed. The assumption that the Universe has enough mass to curve space time -- depends upon the amount of space and the speed of the particles. I'm pretty sure the calculations depended upon how much mass it would take to overcome the current size and speed of the universe -- too little and the square of the distance means that gravity approaches zero, BEFORE it's deceleration of the particles does -- thus, they approach zero forever, with light and particles never curving back.
If you take the Big Bang at face value -- than the fastest possible moment of the particles that make up the universe would have to have been shortly after it exploded (not immediatly, because there was reaction mass). After that, everything would have to continuously slowed down, a little bit moment after moment, as the continual "pull" of gravity draws everything back together.
Well, the Universe is accelerationg at an increasing rate. I have three theories (since I was 12) that kind of make sense of that;
1) There is a more massive MegaVerse (beyond the shock wave of our own and not observeable with conventional means -- because light has a finite limit and the "shock wave" of our space/time would compress all light beyond x-ray that moved into it). The outside mass pulls on our universe. Eventually, parts of these megaverses clump into discrete critical masses at create Big-Bangs. Lots of bubbles going "pop" all the time and would create massive but very distant bursts of Neutrino and Tachyon radiation. Due to gravity, all objects have an upper size limit -- that includes Universes. Has to do with the limit on light speed.
2) All objects in the Universe are shrinking at the same rate. This is pretty esoteric but is useful in describing electric charge -- which has to do with energy states of past and future time. Nothing in this universe exists in the present. Everything approaches Zero. Being that the MegaVerse is everything, we will never reach Zero -- and it isn't anything to worry about. It just means that you can get something from nothing-- and that's why we are here.
3) Gravity doesn't pull, it pushes. Objects are attracted to each other, because gravity is pushing away from matter. Gravity streams don't like to push against streams (well, kind of like water flowing to a lower spot -- high energy to low, Gravity spreads out because that creates the least pressure -- thus gravity gets distributed evenly over distances), so it all gets generalized as one general force. But close to the earth, we can create a Gravity Map. Larger objects affect larger objects more than smaller objects. Since it pushes more, everywhere objects are not -- it essentially acts just like pulling, but in esoteric ways, it should allow us to create objects that attract or repell each others gravities by harmonizing gravity waves. It also results in Fusion, and not just collapsing gravity wells.
>> Note, I'm saying that all three of these theories are what we see in the Universe, and it explains just about everything.
I'd have to say, in my mad theory -- it is about the Number of particles, not the Schwarzschild radius. Meaning, you can compress the earth into 9 mm and perhaps get fusion-- but not a black hole. What would you be compressing it with to get it to 9 mm? That, perhaps, would require enough matter to CREATE a black hole -- so you aren't going to get a Swcharzschild radius on anything but a massive star -- and a super massive star won't create a black hole -- the Repulsive force of gravity will force space/time to collapse on itself in the explosion, and you won't be left with the "black hole". You'll get a lot of Neutrinos and a really big bang.
Think about it. It's pretty simple and I don't know why so many just don't see it; if there is a maximum speed to light. And being in a gravity well is equivalent to acceleration. There is a maximum acceleration and therefore a maximum g
I understand what you speak.
I'd say there are businesses. And people. And inbetween the two, are pirates of various sizes. The small ones go to prison and the big ones run everything.
Bill Gates ripped off a lot of ideas when he "patented" basic. Then stole CP/M to make IBM DOS (with the help of another hacker). Then he took from Apple and gave to Windows. Not that he wasn't smart and brilliant -- and really lucky. IBM's fear of getting sued into oblivion, was long enough for Bill to acquire a critical mass of lawyers. Now he just sues everyone else into oblivion if he can't compete against them. He used to do both -- then get the stock for cheap, and decide in a board meeting not to sue himself. Brilliant.
You and I, however, will get twenty years for our mp3 or some marijuana -- while legitimate people use copyright law and oxycontin. Better drugs for better profits.