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people were migrating away from Mac OS in droves, so the shiny new Windows 95. What HAVE you been smoking? I don't remember that. I remember all the jokes about how Windows95 was MacOS87, though. And gags about floating point calculations.
I would generally concur, but rather say that it makes for more monolithic and inflexible interfaces. IMHO. You say "monolithic and inflexible", I say "uniform and intuitive": What works in one program will most likely work the same way in another. And that's a good thing. It's reliable, predictable... which are things I want from an interface.
There must be some cognitive disfunction when we talk about free-thinking. For example, I've seen Chinese people get extremely defensive when you talk about censorship. Talk to Americans about propaganda, indoctrination and swearing things to flags in classrooms, and see how defensive they get.
Every time they threaten Taiwan and the US responds in the political arena its the US who is chastised for being the war mongers.
Correct. Don't forget the universal leftist/socialist/progressive meme: "America bad!" And if happens that some non-American country has done something undeniably bad then the universal leftist/socialist/progressive response is: "But America is even worse." China threatens Taiwan. The U.S.A. threatens, then blows up, invades and occupies Iraq.
But, China bad! China worse! Because Amurika perfect and above all reproach! It not actions that count on Bizarro world, it image!
I was never stating opinion in any of this--what part of that is so hard for you to understand? The part where you expect me to believe that. You were stating opinions in your entire list, and you present them as valid reasons to hate Apple: You share, support and repeat those opinions.
The cult of the single-button mouse. A single-button default configuration forces the software designers to make better interfaces. It's not a cult, you can use a multi-button mouse on Macs, their OS supports it.
There's no technical reason for disallowing OS X to run on any x86-based platform. If the software can only run on known hardware configurations, you get to design and debug for a more reliable OS than if it has to run on an infinite permutation of unknown hardware.
Not to mention that Apple sells hardware, the OS is what makes it run. They have no reason to offer the OS they make to run hardware they aren't selling.
And the third reason is that if the OS is seen as unreliable on non-supported hardware, it will lead people to think that the OS, and the company that made it, is at fault, rather than the inferior hardware it was forced upon. And is bad fr the company, and its shareholders.
DRM on the OS? If you mean the fact that you can't install the OS on any computer you want Not that I want to defend the hater, but no, he means that there is copy protection, software keys and whatnot, on sold copies of the Apple OS.
What the hater doesn't grok is that having a technical understanding that DRM is pointless and trying to make the business world understand that does not make your publicly traded company immune to due diligence. If Apple do not use the industry-standard copy protection measures, they will be sued for failing to maximize shareholder value.
Every time Apple runs those "We're so hip and cool" commercials with that smug jackass bragging about how cool he is versus the fuddy-duddy old PC, they probably loose 10 potential future customers for every one short-term customer they gain. I still want to punch Justin Long in the face every time I see him in a film. Sounds like they hit a nerve.
Guess what, they aren't losing potential customers, they're pissing off haters. Big difference.
The actions taken by Apple are simply truths. [...] frivolous-lawsuit Opinion.
You betray your true feelings with the opinions you express as facts. And you seek to claim neutrality by obfuscating your real thoughts on the subject. It's good you "foed" me, saves me the trouble.
I was giving reasons why a person might hate Apple, not stating my own personal opinions. Those reasons are your own personal opinions, not absolute objective truths. You weren't clear on your non-adherence to the opinions you expressed.
But thanks for calling me either an asshole or an idiot, that's really cool.
Apple did not steal any code for Lisa/Mac OS. Apple purchased the right (with a large amount of stock) to look over Xerox Parc's work, hire some of their developers and then reverse engineer the GUI they saw there. One thing they got wrong is that when they saw Xerox's GUI, they thought they saw windows tiled over each other. Apple then had it's engineers go and figure out how this was done when Xerox actually didn't have that happening. Apple also came up with the idea of icons representing verbs or actions as opposed to just representing objects or data files. So yeah, they did build on what went before but they paid for the privilege. And the way Apple stock went up back in the 80's, Xerox did pretty well.
As for MS innovation, MS required Apple to give them their source code for Mac OS so that they could code up the first version of Excel. It wasn't until Windows 1 came out and Apple engineers poked around in it that they found Apple code used in Windows. That was finally settled with the $150M stock transfer back in the late 90's. Very informative indeed. Now, why did I get modded down as troll for mentioning the same event in less detail?
You hate APPLE for that lawsuit??? I didn't say that I did. As I said quite clearly,
"There are decent enough reasons to hate Apple. The arbitrary lock-in of the OS is a good place to start. The hypocrisy of wanting to strip DRM from the media they sell while keeping DRM on their own OS is another. iPod lock-in is yet another. And if you hold a grudge, the lawsuits they filed in the 80s over their look-and-feel is another" So... you have many reasons to hate Apple, but you don't?:-s
"Hate Apple? I don't remember anyone hating apple, although they did say their prices were too high in the 1980s."
In the early 90's I hated Apple. The reason why? I had an onboxious Apple-zealot friend. I didn't know much about the machines, but I remember in our programming class I heard him say "too bad, I could do that easily with my Mac"... oh about 1.3 million times over the course of two years. He was right, you know.
It's like the old joke: Windows 95, all the innovations of Apple 1987!
In the late 80s-early90s, I'd spend an hour doing something on the PCs at school, go home, do the exact same task in under a minute on the mac... If I told people who didn't know much about the machine, they would call me a zealot.
And if you hold a grudge, the lawsuits they filed in the 80s over their look-and-feel is another (I only mention this because I hold a grudge against Microsoft for all of their anticompetitive practices of the past 20 years.) You mean the lawsuit they filed against Microsoft for having used the information about the windowed environment they gained from their partnership from Apple to make a competing product? The environment invented at Xerox and bought by Apple? That lawsuit?
Crapbar turns out to have gotten into the system in some little "tag-along" arrangement, usually through an "automatic update" of Java or Acrobat Reader where you have to go into the "advanced" install mode to DENY the Google Crapbar permission to install. And people wonder why I hate the Acrobat Reader, and PDFs by extension...
the comment clearly made in jest So? He believes it. He can't say it outside of the "I was just joking" context, but he said it, and he's been proving that he believes it ever since.
Hmm...so I fixed a problem she was having and she was unable to resolve it herself for free. No...she shouldn't say thanks. That would be using good manners and being polite. But to you I guess that's called being an ass.
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And gags about floating point calculations.
And that's a good thing. It's reliable, predictable... which are things I want from an interface.
What happened to just writing a letter? Or leaving a bullet in the mail box on top of a picture of your kids leaving school?
Correct. Don't forget the universal leftist/socialist/progressive meme: "America bad!" And if happens that some non-American country has done something undeniably bad then the universal leftist/socialist/progressive response is: "But America is even worse." China threatens Taiwan.
The U.S.A. threatens, then blows up, invades and occupies Iraq.
But, China bad! China worse! Because Amurika perfect and above all reproach! It not actions that count on Bizarro world, it image!
You were stating opinions in your entire list, and you present them as valid reasons to hate Apple: You share, support and repeat those opinions.
It's not a cult, you can use a multi-button mouse on Macs, their OS supports it.
Not to mention that Apple sells hardware, the OS is what makes it run. They have no reason to offer the OS they make to run hardware they aren't selling.
And the third reason is that if the OS is seen as unreliable on non-supported hardware, it will lead people to think that the OS, and the company that made it, is at fault, rather than the inferior hardware it was forced upon. And is bad fr the company, and its shareholders.
What the hater doesn't grok is that having a technical understanding that DRM is pointless and trying to make the business world understand that does not make your publicly traded company immune to due diligence. If Apple do not use the industry-standard copy protection measures, they will be sued for failing to maximize shareholder value.
Guess what, they aren't losing potential customers, they're pissing off haters. Big difference.
You betray your true feelings with the opinions you express as facts.
And you seek to claim neutrality by obfuscating your real thoughts on the subject. It's good you "foed" me, saves me the trouble.
You weren't clear on your non-adherence to the opinions you expressed.
But thanks for calling me either an asshole or an idiot, that's really cool.
As for MS innovation, MS required Apple to give them their source code for Mac OS so that they could code up the first version of Excel. It wasn't until Windows 1 came out and Apple engineers poked around in it that they found Apple code used in Windows. That was finally settled with the $150M stock transfer back in the late 90's. Very informative indeed.
Now, why did I get modded down as troll for mentioning the same event in less detail?
"There are decent enough reasons to hate Apple. The arbitrary lock-in of the OS is a good place to start. The hypocrisy of wanting to strip DRM from the media they sell while keeping DRM on their own OS is another. iPod lock-in is yet another. And if you hold a grudge, the lawsuits they filed in the 80s over their look-and-feel is another" So... you have many reasons to hate Apple, but you don't?
In the early 90's I hated Apple. The reason why? I had an onboxious Apple-zealot friend. I didn't know much about the machines, but I remember in our programming class I heard him say "too bad, I could do that easily with my Mac"... oh about 1.3 million times over the course of two years. He was right, you know.
It's like the old joke: Windows 95, all the innovations of Apple 1987!
In the late 80s-early90s, I'd spend an hour doing something on the PCs at school, go home, do the exact same task in under a minute on the mac... If I told people who didn't know much about the machine, they would call me a zealot.
You hate APPLE for that lawsuit???
What the fuck is your problem?
Here's the same statement in context: Considering I gave the link for the context: "I know you are, but what am I?"
Comment like yours have no value, but do not diminish my informative link by simply repackaging the same info, with an added ad hominem.
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