Dude, come on... It's a bad cover of a Dylan song... GIVE ME A BREAK. I'll give you a break over the "bad cover" comment, as untrue as it is. To each his own I guess.
Too bad you can't like that show anymore because of that choice in music. It's not like they've been playing on the theme that our cultures and their culture are related, or that our future could be their past, or anything like that, huh? Man, that one song sure completely fucked up everything and now it's all crap! Oh noes!
To me all of this implies that Kobol was originally a colony of Earth and not the other way around. Galactica has always been big on that theme. IIRC, the old series started with shots of New York (labelled Hong Kong) in historical documents, but the premise of the story was that one of our astronauts finds the galactica log book floating in our solar system...
The whole "the universe is running on a loop" idea.
For my money (two cents whorth, at least), the current series is taking place in the present, and we were colonized by the 13th tribe five thousand years ago, sparking the beginning of history.
Again, I think we'll have to agree to disagree. It could have been another song. Any other song, even. Just not a track from the '60s. Actually it HAD to be a song from the late 60's, from the free your mind expand your perception new age era. Or else it doesn't work with the whole music of the spheres thing.
Acutally, you can say he is brutal. According to the Amnesty International 2006 Report for Venezuela, torture, extrajudicial executions, and enforced disappearances continue to go unpunished. This is what they have to say before Chavez (the first indigenous president) is reelected for a third mandate: There were reports of unlawful killings of criminal suspects by police. Most cases were not investigated and the perpetrators remained unpunished. The lack of independence of the judiciary remained a concern. Persistent social and economic inequalities continued to limit access to the economic and social rights of Afro-descendants and indigenous peoples.
Compared to their 1998 report (right before Chavez was elected with a 58% majority): At least 10 prisoners of conscience were detained during the year. Torture by the security forces was widespread, in some cases leading to death. Prison conditions amounted to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. Scores of people, including children, were extrajudicially executed by the security forces
How, exactly, do you think that the mass media are used to participate in a coup? The cameramen bash the president's troop with their cameras? Or maybe, maybe a media's involvement in a coup is through propaganda? Maybe? The broadcast of negative opinions or even slanderous lies against a government is no more participation in a coup There were 5 private stations and one public station in Venezuela. When the coup happened, all 5 private stations lied and said the president had dissolved the government and resigned, and the one public station was sabotaged when the legitimate government made an address to the public to inform them of what was really happening.
Now instead of having five times as many private stations as public stations, there's only twice as many private stations. OMFG, t3h cens0rships!?
Her henpit pressure had equalized to the atmospheric level due to the hole in her windshield. She holds on to the very last second, and only when her ship breaks apart do we see her throw her brace for it. Due to the documentary-style special effects, the shaking camera put her viper at the top of the screen when it explodes.
You know, if the pressure can crush a hunk of metal like a beercan, it will crush the human body as well.
Her viper did not implode, it impacted with a denser atmospheric level of the gas giant. Think of it like a jet hitting the ocean.
the 13th tribe, the 13th tribe could be the first step of the creation of the Cylons (or their creators). No, the Cylons were created by the 12 colonies. In fact there's a miniseries planned (in production? scrapped? who knows anymore) about the creation of the Cylons at the time of Grand Papa Adama.
As for the elephants, that's just because the prop department uses a lot of indian art.
Point is, there were Cylons before there were toasters. You just can't avoid it, we're going to have to stuff that into our pipes and smoke it. Hmmmm.... Well, I suppose the Lords of Kobol had their own Cylons... That would explain why the current Cylons hate them so much, maybe even why the original colonists had to flee their homeworld and form a diaspora on 13 other worlds.
there is no way in hell I will accept that using All Along the Watchtower is a good move. It has the undeniable effect of destroying the illusion and making the show a laughing stock. With all the characters speaking English. Bork what are they usually speaking? Swedish?
If you take for granted that what we hear is a localization of colonial Standard (with mostly Caprican accents, as we learned), then does it not also mean that when they sing the lyrics that emanate naturally from sympathetic resonance in our brains to the rhythm of the nebula, that we then also hear their lyrics in our earthly language through the same suspended disbelief that we do for the rest of the spoken words (and text!) in the show?
My take is that those four have been brainwashed by the Cylons to think they're Cylons too (the XO can't be a Cylon, he was fighting them before they evolved into skinjobs)
All of this has happened before... and all of this will happen again. Yeah, but it's a 5000 year cycle.
I don't know what you guys are looking for in a sci-fi drama. Maybe you just like stuff to blow up. There's a show like that already. I swear, every episode ends with something blowing up.
And then you get your cast to sing --- and hum, fer fuck's sake --- Dylan's All Along the Watchtower as a way of identifying your 'fifth column'. That is what I call pissing away credibility. In a show where half the cast is named after Greek gods and where people has visions, he illustrated an ancient Greek mathematical notion regarding the stars, and linked it to a genuine human experience (hearing a new song for the first time and feeling like you've heard it before, long ago...), AND linked all of that to the sci-fi notion of a song-triggered sleeper conditioning.
Ultimately I disagree with several decisions Chavez has made, but he is hugely popular. It isn't up for us to decide, but the people. Exactly. It's their country, they can elect and reelect whomever they choose.
Have you considered the implications of what we've seen of the Final Five? Four of them are on Galactica. I'm not so sure about that. My take is that those four have been brainwashed by the Cylons to think they're Cylons too (the XO can't be a Cylon, he was fighting them before they evolved into skinjobs).
I really have other things I need to attend to right now, if you want to message me, or email me or something I can provide you with much more information. Really, I'm fighting off enough other comments, and I do have some work to do.:) 's allright, there's plenty of other people fighting the good fight. I'm restricting my contacts to the outside world to electronic means while I cough up yellow goo today, I have time to kill... now STFU&GBTW;-)
Read the Declaration of Independence, it talks about this. If your government is misbehaving you have the right and duty to do something about it: treasons, coups, 'lawful' means or otherwise. Laws about treason don't mean jack. Slashdotters of all people should get this, and yet the wealth of comments actually defending Chavez blows my mind. The people of Venezuela DID rise to topple their tyranical overlords:
The Venezuelan coup attempt of 2002 was a failed military coup d'état on April 11, 2002. It saw the brief overthrow and arrest of leftist Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, the dissolution of the democratically elected National Assembly, the dissolution of the Supreme Court, and the repeal of the country's constitution.
Rightist businessman and Venezuelan Federation of Chambers of Commerce (Fedecámaras) president Pedro Carmona was subsequently installed as interim president for 47 hours. In Caracas, the coup led to riots and a pro-Chávez uprising that the Metropolitan Police attempted to suppress. Key sectors of the military and parts of the anti-Chávez movement refused to back Carmona. The pro-Chávez Presidential Guard eventually retook the Miraflores presidential palace without firing a shot, leading to the collapse of the Carmona government and the re-installation of Chávez as president.
And please don't think I'm defending Chavez himself in any ways [...] Bush (who, while contraversial, was democratically elected) Hugo Chávez's Election Results -- 2000 presidential election -- Source: CNE data Candidate Votes % Hugo Chávez: 3,757,773 60% Francisco Arias: 2,359,459 38% Valid votes: 6,288,578 Non-voting: 5,120,464 44%
compared to
United States presidential election, 2000 Presidential Candidate Party Home State Popular Vote Electoral Vote Running Mate Running Mate's Home State Running Mate's Electoral Vote Count Percentage George W. Bush Republican Texas 50,460,110 47.9% 271 Dick Cheney Wyoming 271 Al Gore Democratic Tennessee 51,003,926 48.4% 266 Joe Lieberman Connecticut 266
There are also documents that we assisted, but there are varying degrees of value to them because it's so hard to piece it together from what very little we have from the FOIA.
I could post some if you care. Sure, it'll make it easier to find for others who might be looking for it.
And that still doesn't explain any talk of "pissing away" anything. I can't speak for the OP, but one could argue that it's rather impossible for Tigh to be a cylon, as he's been around and known to many characters since before "skin jobs" were created. Therefore, he's not a Cylon. Have you seen many copies of the XO? No? But have you seen him in the custody of Cylons who can project VR scenarios directly in your mind and are known expert at triggering sleeper programming? Have these same Cylons done horrible things to him already?
After military rebels overthrew Chavez and he disappeared from public view for two days, RCTV's biased coverage edged fully into sedition. Thousands of Chavez supporters took to the streets to demand his return, but none of that appeared on RCTV or other television stations. RCTV News Director Andres Izarra later testified at National Assembly hearings on the coup attempt that he received an order from superiors at the station: "Zero pro-Chavez, nothing related to Chavez or his supporters.... The idea was to create a climate of transition and to start to promote the dawn of a new country." While the streets of Caracas burned with rage, RCTV ran cartoons, soap operas and old movies such as "Pretty Woman." On April 13, 2002, Granier and other media moguls met in the Miraflores palace to pledge support to the country's coup-installed dictator, Pedro Carmona, who had eliminated the Supreme Court, the National Assembly and the Constitution. Fascinating. If they had been better at it, presenting opposing viewpoints to their own in a way that make them seem ridiculous (words like "conspiracy theorists believe that [x] and that aliens cloned Elvis so he could kill JFK with a nuclear laser pistol", so that [x] seems preposterous, for instance) rather than denying anything was happening, they might have had more success... scary.
Interesting, First is was for showing him in a bad light. Now it is for participating in a Coup. I seriously wonder why they people who run that station hasn't been arrested. I mean overthrowing your government is a crime after all. Ahhh, maybe they didn't participate but rather aired stuff that wasn't favorable to the almighty himself. Well, then we are back to the he didn't renew it because they criticized him. How, exactly, do you think that the mass media are used to participate in a coup? The cameramen bash the president's troop with their cameras? Or maybe, maybe a media's involvement in a coup is through propaganda? Maybe?
I find it extremely ironic that the person who called Bush evil is now Evil It is not ironic at all that you fell for the propaganda. The united state's media always cast him in a bad light. Low and behold, you think he's a bad man.
Aristotle was smart. Smarter than me. Aristotle thought the sun revolved around the earth. Thinking the sun revolved around the earth now would be stupid for me. 'dI hope too stupid for you as well. Did he also think a spaceship could make an FTL jump? Because actually thinking that now would be stupid too.
Quite true. but if more and more people start using youtube for purposes like this the first thing after performing a step of such type would be to ban youtube in the country and then metacafe and then whatnot. This happened in india when government tried to ban all the blogs. Too bad the plan backfired. Indeed. But you seed a few torrents, there is no stopping your information.
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Too bad you can't like that show anymore because of that choice in music. It's not like they've been playing on the theme that our cultures and their culture are related, or that our future could be their past, or anything like that, huh? Man, that one song sure completely fucked up everything and now it's all crap! Oh noes!
IIRC, the old series started with shots of New York (labelled Hong Kong) in historical documents, but the premise of the story was that one of our astronauts finds the galactica log book floating in our solar system...
The whole "the universe is running on a loop" idea.
For my money (two cents whorth, at least), the current series is taking place in the present, and we were colonized by the 13th tribe five thousand years ago, sparking the beginning of history.
Pirates and Emperors
There were reports of unlawful killings of criminal suspects by police. Most cases were not investigated and the perpetrators remained unpunished. The lack of independence of the judiciary remained a concern. Persistent social and economic inequalities continued to limit access to the economic and social rights of Afro-descendants and indigenous peoples.
Compared to their 1998 report (right before Chavez was elected with a 58% majority):
At least 10 prisoners of conscience were detained during the year. Torture by the security forces was widespread, in some cases leading to death. Prison conditions amounted to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. Scores of people, including children, were extrajudicially executed by the security forces
Progress takes time.
Or maybe, maybe a media's involvement in a coup is through propaganda? Maybe? The broadcast of negative opinions or even slanderous lies against a government is no more participation in a coup There were 5 private stations and one public station in Venezuela.
When the coup happened, all 5 private stations lied and said the president had dissolved the government and resigned, and the one public station was sabotaged when the legitimate government made an address to the public to inform them of what was really happening.
Now instead of having five times as many private stations as public stations, there's only twice as many private stations. OMFG, t3h cens0rships!?
You know, if the pressure can crush a hunk of metal like a beercan, it will crush the human body as well.
Her viper did not implode, it impacted with a denser atmospheric level of the gas giant. Think of it like a jet hitting the ocean.As for the elephants, that's just because the prop department uses a lot of indian art.
Well, I suppose the Lords of Kobol had their own Cylons...
That would explain why the current Cylons hate them so much, maybe even why the original colonists had to flee their homeworld and form a diaspora on 13 other worlds.
If you take for granted that what we hear is a localization of colonial Standard (with mostly Caprican accents, as we learned), then does it not also mean that when they sing the lyrics that emanate naturally from sympathetic resonance in our brains to the rhythm of the nebula, that we then also hear their lyrics in our earthly language through the same suspended disbelief that we do for the rest of the spoken words (and text!) in the show?
All of this has happened before... and all of this will happen again. Yeah, but it's a 5000 year cycle.
I swear, every episode ends with something blowing up.
That is what I call brilliant.
Four of them are on Galactica. I'm not so sure about that. My take is that those four have been brainwashed by the Cylons to think they're Cylons too (the XO can't be a Cylon, he was fighting them before they evolved into skinjobs).
I really have other things I need to attend to right now, if you want to message me, or email me or something I can provide you with much more information. Really, I'm fighting off enough other comments, and I do have some work to do.
I'm restricting my contacts to the outside world to electronic means while I cough up yellow goo today, I have time to kill... now STFU&GBTW
The Venezuelan coup attempt of 2002 was a failed military coup d'état on April 11, 2002. It saw the brief overthrow and arrest of leftist Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, the dissolution of the democratically elected National Assembly, the dissolution of the Supreme Court, and the repeal of the country's constitution.
Rightist businessman and Venezuelan Federation of Chambers of Commerce (Fedecámaras) president Pedro Carmona was subsequently installed as interim president for 47 hours. In Caracas, the coup led to riots and a pro-Chávez uprising that the Metropolitan Police attempted to suppress. Key sectors of the military and parts of the anti-Chávez movement refused to back Carmona. The pro-Chávez Presidential Guard eventually retook the Miraflores presidential palace without firing a shot, leading to the collapse of the Carmona government and the re-installation of Chávez as president.
[...]
Bush (who, while contraversial, was democratically elected) Hugo Chávez's Election Results
-- 2000 presidential election --
Source: CNE data
Candidate Votes %
Hugo Chávez: 3,757,773 60%
Francisco Arias: 2,359,459 38%
Valid votes: 6,288,578
Non-voting: 5,120,464 44%
compared to
United States presidential election, 2000
Presidential Candidate Party Home State Popular Vote Electoral Vote Running Mate Running Mate's
Home State Running Mate's
Electoral Vote
Count Percentage
George W. Bush Republican Texas 50,460,110 47.9% 271 Dick Cheney Wyoming 271
Al Gore Democratic Tennessee 51,003,926 48.4% 266 Joe Lieberman Connecticut 266
I could post some if you care. Sure, it'll make it easier to find for others who might be looking for it.
Have you seen many copies of the XO?
No? But have you seen him in the custody of Cylons who can project VR scenarios directly in your mind and are known expert at triggering sleeper programming? Have these same Cylons done horrible things to him already?
I seriously wonder why they people who run that station hasn't been arrested. I mean overthrowing your government is a crime after all. Ahhh, maybe they didn't participate but rather aired stuff that wasn't favorable to the almighty himself. Well, then we are back to the he didn't renew it because they criticized him. How, exactly, do you think that the mass media are used to participate in a coup? The cameramen bash the president's troop with their cameras?
Or maybe, maybe a media's involvement in a coup is through propaganda? Maybe? I find it extremely ironic that the person who called Bush evil is now Evil It is not ironic at all that you fell for the propaganda. The united state's media always cast him in a bad light. Low and behold, you think he's a bad man.