They tried making another B5-universe show but they didn't try very hard.
And you've hit the Hollywood mentality dead on: Once its got brand-name recognition, there's no reason to put in any effort. They're hooked, all we have to do is keep shoveling them something that looks like what they liked originally, and they'll keep on coming.
Firefly had some problems (Doctor and his sister developed too slowly)
Just because the series was cancelled while we were still hooked on wondering what was up with these two doesn't mean it was develloping too slowly, it means they were cancelled too soon : )
The movie is gonna give us our awnsers, we just have to be patient.
The Galaxy-class starships are the first Federation-built space vessels built with only one conventional bathroom (in the Captain's private cabin).
The main and battle bridges are ofcourse equipped with enough transporter power to handle an elephant's excrement, should Q see fit to materialize one there.
I think the opening theme is pretty good, when combined with the scenes they show.
Try watching it on mute. And watching it on mute while playing anything else on your sound system. The them SUCKS but the intro video montage is awesome.
Give me FireFly any day.
There you go, watch that intro with the Firefly theme on instead : )
Standard DS9 episode Hidden agenda: None. The writers' only real agenda is to milk the Star Trek cash cow.
Hidden agenda: Bring religion to Star Trek, the series during Roddenberry's lifetime were notoriously as non-religious as he could get away with. Also destroyed the idea of the future earth eutopia. Now its a creepy military police state with Starfleet no longer being a paramilitary space navy but the official ruling full-on military power of earth.
Standard Voyager episode Hidden agenda: None. The writers' only real agenda is to milk the Star Trek cash cow.
Again, religion. Also, did away with the prime directive. The ends justify the means and Janeway did anything and everything she could to get back to earth as fast as possible. Sometimes she had a conscience and would refrain from genocide, but not always.
Standard Enterprise episode: Hidden agenda: None. The writers' only real agenda is to milk the Star Trek cash cow.
And to serve as a propaganda machine for the current U.S. administration. With storylines ripped from last year's headlines! Terrorist strike the U.S., our brave military wiil go forth torturing and premptively conquering whomever stands in their way to protect the earth! YeeHAW! Also bent on destroying the coolness of the Vulcans for some reson.
Enterprise. You are missing the best parts of the show - the hard moral choices. Should the captain torture a captive to extract information from him (by putting him in an airlock)? Should they destroy an unarmed outpost because it can report their position?
Star Trek in the 60's: Defying the established political and social conventions (interratial love, international cooperation, the Prime Directive as opposed to colonialism, etc). Showing us a future where mankind has grown and become better.
Star Trek in the 21st century: Justifications for the government's policies (preemptive war is ok, terrorist are bad, so torture is ok, etc). Showing us a future where mankind is as petty and rotten as it is now, but in space.
A few that I can recall offhand:
- Throughout the entire series, a lot of time was spent discussing what is basically Artificial Intelligence in the form of the ship's doctor. Over the course of the show, this 'program' develops a personality and actually some creativity, and at least one Voyager episode is a court case that closely parallels a recent real mock trial (although here the AI is arguing for life
Yeah, hmmm, TNG did the exact same thing with Data, trial and all. Its sad when you're ripping yourself off.
The whole Borg thing was quite well explored, in my honest opinion
See, here, you're not making any kind of sense. TNG Borg: RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, one, ONE Borg Cube defeated the entire Federation fleet and was only stopped by daring and clever hacking. Voy Borg: A single lost Federation ship without ressources defeats the ENTIRE DAMN COLLECTIVE. Pussyfication galore!
individuality vs. the collective
Was explored in depth in TNG with Hugh, "I Borg" and the follow ups. Voyager rehashed it.
I felt that the characters offered more to care about than previous Treks.
Kess. Was supposed to age very fast. After 3 years, they realised they had only untied her hair while she should have aged by about 30 human years. Also, they realised by that time that they had to cross Borg space, a daunting task. How did they solve these problems? MAGIC! Kess becomes Q-like, flings Voyager to the other side of Borg space (but no farther, that would have been too convenient), decides she's too hot for them, leaves, and they get a replacement babe in the same show. That disgusted me. That was...horrible. Sure, the new babe was better, but the way they solved these problems... They painted themselves into a corner and pulled the magic powers card to solve it. Not worthy of Star Trek.
I think I like about 1/6th of Voyager... The thing is, there are some good episodes and a few rare really good episodes, dilluted in all the "Well, there's 5 minutes left, many people died this week...lets go back in time and forget all bout it" episodes, the "17 Borg Cubes! Yellow alert, shoot them down, I'll be in my office doing my nails, call me when its over" episodes and the "Hi, I'm Chakotay. I'm an american indian from another planet. I'll take this space shuttle to go practice a ritual of earth worship, in space. Oh no, I've blown up the shuttle...meh, its just the 4th, or 6th or something I've blown up in this exact same way. The captain will give me another one next time I feel religious all of a sudden." episodes.
The Year of Hell episode and follow ups were fun, despite being time travel shows. The Doctor had a few good moments. 7 was hot... I liked the aliens with the space-leprosy, they were creepy...
But, in all honesty, it was mostly bad. Some good, most bad.
Star Trek was good when Gene was alive and kept "interfering" with its direction. For it to become good again, Rick Berman must die.
He'll never let go, he'll never admit he's wrong, he'll never stop dilluting it and killing every part of it that was good, leaving only an empty husk that looks like star trek, but isn't.
In terms of feel its very much more like the original ST
AND on CRACK!
The whole "temporal cold war" is just such a terrible idea.
Well, there's hope for you yet then.
I have trouble not watching Enterprise. It suck, like, a lot. But its called Star Trek, and I keep hoping beyond hope that it will turn into Star Trek at some point instead of just using the name... You know that Rick Berman is convinced that his time travel stuff is pure genious?
What "secret law?" Seriously, how do you know there is a "secret law" at all?
Read this very slowly, and make sure you understand every word:
Gilmore maintains the federal government has yet to disclose the regulations behind the ID requirement to which he was subjected.
"How are people supposed to follow laws if they don't know what they are?" Harrison said.
The government contends its court arguments should be sealed from public view and heard before a judge outside the presence of Gilmore and his attorneys.
His confirmation is some unnamed airline employee.
No. His confirmation is that, far from denying it, the government insist on keeping it secret. His suspicion came from the airline employee.
Do citizens currently need to show ID in order to travel in their own country? The answer is a resounding "no". He is free to travel by foot, bike, motorcycle, car, boat, or other device himself while not violating applicable pedestrian or traffic laws, or by bus or train, entirely anonymously.
Baby steps though. To be free to drive a motor vehicle you need I.D., insurance, liscense plates... Slashdot regularly post articles about the efforts to track cars automatically (speedpass, GPS gadgets, etc.), therefore making you "show" your I.D.
And everytime, there is a flood of people calling into question the validity of being cautious about these efforts. Mentions of paranoia and aluminium foil headgear abound. Well, if you don't yet see the trouble with a government (or private corporation) wanting to track everyone, passing secret laws... maybe after a few more steps you'll see where they are going with this.
this just comes from years having to show my ID card to buy a pop at the commissary or something, but looking at this article I don't understand how or why this guy got his panties in a knot over having to show some identification
i.e. indoctrination into a police-state system from early childhood makes you think a police-state is normal in adulthood.
What I see happening: Bush will "win" the upcoming election, and promptly (or possibly towards the end of his second term) declare himself Emperor.
Nah, they'll keep passing the president job around to members of the family, or trusted friends. Strength in numbers, those egomaniac dictators don't see the big picture: Having the title isn't important, its having the power that counts.
You don't have to be the prince, you have to have the prince do as you say.
Correction: I want Dr. Egon Spengler, not Venkman. I got the names confused. Venkman was just the front man, with no real scientific passion. Egon is the man. He designed all the gear, he develloped all the theories, he made the speech about the twinky.
Venkman is Egon's Marty McFly, he's lovable, but replacable;-)
I kind of have mixed feelings as to whether anything was copied or just naturally evolved. I mean, what happened on RD was arguably quite original. However, Voyager had years of Trek to build from, including characters (moriarty?) that were holographic in nature.
Lets see, one is a hologram, immaterial and confined to the ship, treated rudely by the rest of the crew, who after a few years gets a hard-light projector (technology from the future that was inconceivable when the ship was built) that hovers inside him and makes him solid and allows him mobility outside the ship.
The other is a hologram confined to parts of the ship and treated rudely by the rest of the crew, who after a few years gets a mobile emiter (technology from the future via time travel) that he wears on his arm and allows him full mobility onboard and more importantly frees him from the ship.
The "coincidence not rip-off" theory stopped being credible for me when he got the piece of tech from the future that gives him his dream of freedom by allowing him outside of the ship. Too much of a coincidence with the very memorable "Legion" episode of Red Dwarf that gave Rimmer the same thing (plus physicality, which the doc always had, though Rimmer had a big Cage he could be contained in outside the ship).
At least the Voyager doctor can use plasic surgery to turn a Borg into a Babe.
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Then DS9 came along DS9 wasn't to bad either it many ways it was a lot better the TNG.
;-)
In exactly 2 ways: In budget, and in special effects technology.
They tried making another B5-universe show but they didn't try very hard.
And you've hit the Hollywood mentality dead on: Once its got brand-name recognition, there's no reason to put in any effort. They're hooked, all we have to do is keep shoveling them something that looks like what they liked originally, and they'll keep on coming.
every time there's a sinister thing happening it's either the Borg or the Romulans. Could we please have some imagination?
;-)
I know: Romulan Borgs!
Oh! Oh! Better yet: Romulan Borg terrorist from the future!
Its gold baby, GOLD!
Kirk [...] took his ladies and he beat up his enemies. He didn't recite Shakepeare at them.
No, they recited it at him.
In the original Klingon no less!
: )
Firefly had some problems (Doctor and his sister developed too slowly)
Just because the series was cancelled while we were still hooked on wondering what was up with these two doesn't mean it was develloping too slowly, it means they were cancelled too soon : )
The movie is gonna give us our awnsers, we just have to be patient.
The Galaxy-class starships are the first Federation-built space vessels built with only one conventional bathroom (in the Captain's private cabin).
;-)
The main and battle bridges are ofcourse equipped with enough transporter power to handle an elephant's excrement, should Q see fit to materialize one there.
Now that's planning ahead!
Get it?
I think the opening theme is pretty good, when combined with the scenes they show.
Try watching it on mute. And watching it on mute while playing anything else on your sound system.
The them SUCKS but the intro video montage is awesome.
Give me FireFly any day.
There you go, watch that intro with the Firefly theme on instead : )
Standard DS9 episode
Hidden agenda: None. The writers' only real agenda is to milk the Star Trek cash cow.
Hidden agenda: Bring religion to Star Trek, the series during Roddenberry's lifetime were notoriously as non-religious as he could get away with.
Also destroyed the idea of the future earth eutopia. Now its a creepy military police state with Starfleet no longer being a paramilitary space navy but the official ruling full-on military power of earth.
Standard Voyager episode
Hidden agenda: None. The writers' only real agenda is to milk the Star Trek cash cow.
Again, religion.
Also, did away with the prime directive. The ends justify the means and Janeway did anything and everything she could to get back to earth as fast as possible. Sometimes she had a conscience and would refrain from genocide, but not always.
Standard Enterprise episode:
Hidden agenda: None. The writers' only real agenda is to milk the Star Trek cash cow.
And to serve as a propaganda machine for the current U.S. administration.
With storylines ripped from last year's headlines! Terrorist strike the U.S., our brave military wiil go forth torturing and premptively conquering whomever stands in their way to protect the earth! YeeHAW!
Also bent on destroying the coolness of the Vulcans for some reson.
Enterprise. You are missing the best parts of the show - the hard moral choices. Should the captain torture a captive to extract information from him (by putting him in an airlock)? Should they destroy an unarmed outpost because it can report their position?
Star Trek in the 60's: Defying the established political and social conventions (interratial love, international cooperation, the Prime Directive as opposed to colonialism, etc). Showing us a future where mankind has grown and become better.
Star Trek in the 21st century: Justifications for the government's policies (preemptive war is ok, terrorist are bad, so torture is ok, etc). Showing us a future where mankind is as petty and rotten as it is now, but in space.
Voyager tackled some real issues.
A few that I can recall offhand:
- Throughout the entire series, a lot of time was spent discussing what is basically Artificial Intelligence in the form of the ship's doctor. Over the course of the show, this 'program' develops a personality and actually some creativity, and at least one Voyager episode is a court case that closely parallels a recent real mock trial (although here the AI is arguing for life
Yeah, hmmm, TNG did the exact same thing with Data, trial and all.
Its sad when you're ripping yourself off.
The whole Borg thing was quite well explored, in my honest opinion
See, here, you're not making any kind of sense.
TNG Borg: RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, one, ONE Borg Cube defeated the entire Federation fleet and was only stopped by daring and clever hacking.
Voy Borg: A single lost Federation ship without ressources defeats the ENTIRE DAMN COLLECTIVE. Pussyfication galore!
individuality vs. the collective
Was explored in depth in TNG with Hugh, "I Borg" and the follow ups.
Voyager rehashed it.
I felt that the characters offered more to care about than previous Treks.
Kess. Was supposed to age very fast. After 3 years, they realised they had only untied her hair while she should have aged by about 30 human years. Also, they realised by that time that they had to cross Borg space, a daunting task. How did they solve these problems? MAGIC! Kess becomes Q-like, flings Voyager to the other side of Borg space (but no farther, that would have been too convenient), decides she's too hot for them, leaves, and they get a replacement babe in the same show. That disgusted me. That was...horrible.
Sure, the new babe was better, but the way they solved these problems... They painted themselves into a corner and pulled the magic powers card to solve it. Not worthy of Star Trek.
I like Voyager.
I think I like about 1/6th of Voyager...
The thing is, there are some good episodes and a few rare really good episodes, dilluted in all the "Well, there's 5 minutes left, many people died this week...lets go back in time and forget all bout it" episodes, the "17 Borg Cubes! Yellow alert, shoot them down, I'll be in my office doing my nails, call me when its over" episodes and the "Hi, I'm Chakotay. I'm an american indian from another planet. I'll take this space shuttle to go practice a ritual of earth worship, in space. Oh no, I've blown up the shuttle...meh, its just the 4th, or 6th or something I've blown up in this exact same way. The captain will give me another one next time I feel religious all of a sudden." episodes.
The Year of Hell episode and follow ups were fun, despite being time travel shows. The Doctor had a few good moments. 7 was hot...
I liked the aliens with the space-leprosy, they were creepy...
But, in all honesty, it was mostly bad. Some good, most bad.
I'll also cop to liking Dharma and Greg.
Well, I like watching Dharma. : )
Once they found out more people like Hoshi than T'Pol, I noticed Hoshi became a lot more scarce. That is just dumb.
You'll lust after whom Rick Berman wants you to lust!
Fall in line, ensign!
needs intelligent direction. coughfirebermancough.
Star Trek was good when Gene was alive and kept "interfering" with its direction.
For it to become good again, Rick Berman must die.
He'll never let go, he'll never admit he's wrong, he'll never stop dilluting it and killing every part of it that was good, leaving only an empty husk that looks like star trek, but isn't.
Enterprise is rather good.
You are drunk!
In terms of feel its very much more like the original ST
AND on CRACK!
The whole "temporal cold war" is just such a terrible idea.
Well, there's hope for you yet then.
I have trouble not watching Enterprise. It suck, like, a lot. But its called Star Trek, and I keep hoping beyond hope that it will turn into Star Trek at some point instead of just using the name...
You know that Rick Berman is convinced that his time travel stuff is pure genious?
Oh for crying out loud!
MODERATORS! STOP MODDING THIS UP!
I have nothing against the guys in this thread, but DAMN this is WAY off topic. the mechanics of Australian police cars are off topic. Duh.
Sheesh, you don't have to mod them down for eing off topic, but don't mod 'em up!
Read this very slowly, and make sure you understand every word:
His confirmation is some unnamed airline employee.
No. His confirmation is that, far from denying it, the government insist on keeping it secret. His suspicion came from the airline employee.
Anyone who disagrees with our secret policies will go to a secret jail.
(Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, hmmm... Slashdot needs a "+1 scary" moderation option.
look at what actually happened. Every recount most certainly did NOT have Gore winning.
Not looking at what actually happened, but at what you wrote down.
Every recount you cite has Gore winning.
So get off your rhetorical high horse
Right...
I remember when we used to be make fun of secret laws in The Soviet Union back in the eighties
You always become what you hate the most.
Do citizens currently need to show ID in order to travel in their own country?
The answer is a resounding "no". He is free to travel by foot, bike, motorcycle, car, boat, or other device himself while not violating applicable pedestrian or traffic laws, or by bus or train, entirely anonymously.
Baby steps though.
To be free to drive a motor vehicle you need I.D., insurance, liscense plates...
Slashdot regularly post articles about the efforts to track cars automatically (speedpass, GPS gadgets, etc.), therefore making you "show" your I.D.
And everytime, there is a flood of people calling into question the validity of being cautious about these efforts. Mentions of paranoia and aluminium foil headgear abound. Well, if you don't yet see the trouble with a government (or private corporation) wanting to track everyone, passing secret laws... maybe after a few more steps you'll see where they are going with this.
Your point clarified:
this just comes from years having to show my ID card to buy a pop at the commissary or something, but looking at this article I don't understand how or why this guy got his panties in a knot over having to show some identification
i.e. indoctrination into a police-state system from early childhood makes you think a police-state is normal in adulthood.
What I see happening: Bush will "win" the upcoming election, and promptly (or possibly towards the end of his second term) declare himself Emperor.
Nah, they'll keep passing the president job around to members of the family, or trusted friends. Strength in numbers, those egomaniac dictators don't see the big picture: Having the title isn't important, its having the power that counts.
You don't have to be the prince, you have to have the prince do as you say.
If you really want to know, I can refer you to the Department of Love... currently on the sunny shores of Cuba!
Where they do NOT use torture.
"It wasn't torture! We just put him in a room where there was a rat in a cage. The rat never even touched him!"
Correction: I want Dr. Egon Spengler, not Venkman.
;-)
I got the names confused. Venkman was just the front man, with no real scientific passion. Egon is the man. He designed all the gear, he develloped all the theories, he made the speech about the twinky.
Venkman is Egon's Marty McFly, he's lovable, but replacable
I kind of have mixed feelings as to whether anything was copied or just naturally evolved. I mean, what happened on RD was arguably quite original. However, Voyager had years of Trek to build from, including characters (moriarty?) that were holographic in nature.
Lets see, one is a hologram, immaterial and confined to the ship, treated rudely by the rest of the crew, who after a few years gets a hard-light projector (technology from the future that was inconceivable when the ship was built) that hovers inside him and makes him solid and allows him mobility outside the ship.
The other is a hologram confined to parts of the ship and treated rudely by the rest of the crew, who after a few years gets a mobile emiter (technology from the future via time travel) that he wears on his arm and allows him full mobility onboard and more importantly frees him from the ship.
The "coincidence not rip-off" theory stopped being credible for me when he got the piece of tech from the future that gives him his dream of freedom by allowing him outside of the ship. Too much of a coincidence with the very memorable "Legion" episode of Red Dwarf that gave Rimmer the same thing (plus physicality, which the doc always had, though Rimmer had a big Cage he could be contained in outside the ship).
At least the Voyager doctor can use plasic surgery to turn a Borg into a Babe.