Thanks for the site. I'm checking it out now. This is the kind of stuff I love to find. You're right. The sound is good. Maybe I'll make a trip to the crappy ski country in January and see them in Boone, NC. That's almost close enough!:-)
Yup, you again make some very good points. But I have found some indie bands that were great in their day. The Josh Joplin Band was really great back in the early to mid 90's while living in Atlanta. I have all of their CD's, most of which I bought while they were on stage in some bar!
These are the types of bands people want to hear and experience. I don't live in Atlanta anymore, but when I do visit, I look for the locals only section in the stores and I do preview. But I sure would love to preview (and buy) over the web instead!
That's exactly one method I was thinking of. The point is, the web resource is kept alive by the sales of the music. Somebody provides the infrastructure, the bands provide the content. Hell, I'm not even opposed to the "occasional" commercial (could have problems then though).
It's a great way for Indie Bands to get the word out. It's a great way for them to sell CD's/songs. No more having to set up their own ecommerce system. That is in the infrastructure provided. All the web guys do is take a small percentage of the sales. The band knows how many sales there are, so they know their take. And I bet that take is a higher percentage than what the big guys would give over.
As for who is good and who is bad. Well, the people decide. If somebody is good, word gets out. A request can be made via the site, some chat room, whatever. The web system can also have a top 40 list of the best selling bands. Afterall, the site will know who is selling and who is not.
Yup, lots of details to work out.
Now as for licensing. You can't prevent a band from signing on with a record label. After all, they do need to make a living. But they will also have a lot of ammunition at their disposal when it comes time for contract signing. Let's say for the sake of argument, that it's an even split for sales. If they get 50% of the CD/song take from "our" site, then they can demand at least that from the record label. Now once they sign, they can't be streamed (unless they give permission from their new contract), so they have to come off the site. Basically this is to avoid the CARP rules, RIAA problems, etc.
And let us not forget that there has been tampering with voters, tally's and what-not, since the concept of democratic voting was first invented. The imfamous 1930's era mobsters come to mind first.
Secure? Not likely. Nothing is 100% secure. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional! The key here is to empower the people to keep the system just. Keeping the people out of the loop and preventing them from seeing the code that allows them to vote is wrong. They will never trust the system then.
As for MS's security woes. It's their own fault. They hopped on the Internet Bandwagon as an after thought when Win95 came out. And they have since built more and more holes in their swiss cheese OS. Only now do they consider Security. I bet the engineers at MS, when asked about security responded, "Security is not my job. It's the security group's responsibility to secure the code."
Security is an issue and always will be. But the needs of the people are more important. Democracy must be maintained and if the people don't trust the system, then democracy has failed.
I would like to disagree your above statement... to a point.
You make valid points with the air traffic control system, but you also failed to mention that this system is highly antiquated and is in serious need of an overhaul. Drawbridges (at least where I live) are still controlled by people.
Open source provides something that a closed system doesn't, an open mind. No one person, or committee of people, can see the whole problem and come up with a solution. The more eyeballs looking at the code, the more bugs will be found. The more new ideas will be generated. Yes, there is a crawling period while the foundation is built. But you can also test the software on a smaller scale in a smaller community. The ramifications of failure will be smaller and the bugs can be worked out. And in a smaller community, you can have people back up the system with a hand count.
And lastly. Let's assume that some company did develop a voting system that was used. Would you really want a single entity in such a power role. What if it were Microsoft, IBM, or heaven forbid Oracle or SUN? Could you trust the system? I mean really trust, more than 90% trust it? Probably not.
Large companies have shown time and time again that they cannot be trusted with the power they wield. Learn from History and trust the people to do what is right. Having the code open to everyone to see if akin to the Freedom of Information Act. It's out vote, it's our duty, it should be our code!
I have to agree that a baseless assumption was made. It was the first thing that struck me as odd, assuming that all 250M CDR's (and let us not forget they said tapes as well) were used to record music. Well I have over 1000 of those CDR's and I can safely say I haven't recorded the first MP3 or copied a CD yet. DATA is what they are for and data is what I record. So make that 250M minus 1000 please!
Oh and come off it. Please tell me what tapes they are referring to. Deos anybody use tape anymore except for their VCR, their digicam, or for their server's backup?
As for ripping MP3's. Yup, I do it! And I don't have to swap out a CD all the time and the shuffle feature of XMMS is great! Oh, and you record company guru's, I still have the original CDs I ripped the mp3's from, and I don't have some P2P app installed either. So bit me! The second I can't listen to music paid for the way I want is the second you lose my business forever! Plenty of Indie bands out there not copy protecting their home grown CDs.
Actually, I'm sure Microsoft will fight in court (though I doubt the PAN developer has the money to fight) that they own the rights to the word PAN, regardless of the fact that it's not an original word. They will undoubtably force the author of PimpAss Newsreader to change the name of his product to POT (Pushed Over Techie) instead.
These PERC RAID cards are not known for their speed. We have been discussing the speed issues on the Dell List Serve located at http://lists.us.dell.com. Many people have said that software based RAID is much much faster. Though most of our speed problems are related to the linux kernel, specifically the Adaptec brand of controllers, a software based approach has some high points to it. Remember that the processor on that RAID card is no where near the speed of your CPU's. You take a bit of a performance hit, but if your server sits idle most of the time, look into it.
I hate to say it, but I tend to agree. Unfortunately, Microsoft made it too easy for people to run webservers and I bet half of them didn't even know it. I guess that is what happens when you have an OS that tries to be everything for everybody all at the same time.
Here comes the really big kicker though. What happens when XP hits the streets? I mean, that will be a server waiting to happen and I wouldn't be surprised to see the bandwidth go through the floor when it comes out and the ignorant start upgrading. Maybe @HOME should ban XP on it's network? NOT! But it would be a nice thought.
Why do I run linux? At least I know it has a web server because I installed it. Long Live Debian and apt-get!
Slashdot Mirror
If the Berman bill is passed, would not this research be considered a circumvention technology according to the DMCA?
Thanks for the site. I'm checking it out now. This is the kind of stuff I love to find. You're right. The sound is good. Maybe I'll make a trip to the crappy ski country in January and see them in Boone, NC. That's almost close enough! :-)
Yup, you again make some very good points. But I have found some indie bands that were great in their day. The Josh Joplin Band was really great back in the early to mid 90's while living in Atlanta. I have all of their CD's, most of which I bought while they were on stage in some bar!
These are the types of bands people want to hear and experience. I don't live in Atlanta anymore, but when I do visit, I look for the locals only section in the stores and I do preview. But I sure would love to preview (and buy) over the web instead!
That's exactly one method I was thinking of. The point is, the web resource is kept alive by the sales of the music. Somebody provides the infrastructure, the bands provide the content. Hell, I'm not even opposed to the "occasional" commercial (could have problems then though).
It's a great way for Indie Bands to get the word out. It's a great way for them to sell CD's/songs. No more having to set up their own ecommerce system. That is in the infrastructure provided. All the web guys do is take a small percentage of the sales. The band knows how many sales there are, so they know their take. And I bet that take is a higher percentage than what the big guys would give over.
As for who is good and who is bad. Well, the people decide. If somebody is good, word gets out. A request can be made via the site, some chat room, whatever. The web system can also have a top 40 list of the best selling bands. Afterall, the site will know who is selling and who is not.
Yup, lots of details to work out.
Now as for licensing. You can't prevent a band from signing on with a record label. After all, they do need to make a living. But they will also have a lot of ammunition at their disposal when it comes time for contract signing. Let's say for the sake of argument, that it's an even split for sales. If they get 50% of the CD/song take from "our" site, then they can demand at least that from the record label. Now once they sign, they can't be streamed (unless they give permission from their new contract), so they have to come off the site. Basically this is to avoid the CARP rules, RIAA problems, etc.
Let the good ideas flow!
And let us not forget that there has been tampering with voters, tally's and what-not, since the concept of democratic voting was first invented. The imfamous 1930's era mobsters come to mind first.
Secure? Not likely. Nothing is 100% secure. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional! The key here is to empower the people to keep the system just. Keeping the people out of the loop and preventing them from seeing the code that allows them to vote is wrong. They will never trust the system then.
As for MS's security woes. It's their own fault. They hopped on the Internet Bandwagon as an after thought when Win95 came out. And they have since built more and more holes in their swiss cheese OS. Only now do they consider Security. I bet the engineers at MS, when asked about security responded, "Security is not my job. It's the security group's responsibility to secure the code."
Security is an issue and always will be. But the needs of the people are more important. Democracy must be maintained and if the people don't trust the system, then democracy has failed.
I would like to disagree your above statement ... to a point.
You make valid points with the air traffic control system, but you also failed to mention that this system is highly antiquated and is in serious need of an overhaul. Drawbridges (at least where I live) are still controlled by people.
Open source provides something that a closed system doesn't, an open mind. No one person, or committee of people, can see the whole problem and come up with a solution. The more eyeballs looking at the code, the more bugs will be found. The more new ideas will be generated. Yes, there is a crawling period while the foundation is built. But you can also test the software on a smaller scale in a smaller community. The ramifications of failure will be smaller and the bugs can be worked out. And in a smaller community, you can have people back up the system with a hand count.
And lastly. Let's assume that some company did develop a voting system that was used. Would you really want a single entity in such a power role. What if it were Microsoft, IBM, or heaven forbid Oracle or SUN? Could you trust the system? I mean really trust, more than 90% trust it? Probably not.
Large companies have shown time and time again that they cannot be trusted with the power they wield. Learn from History and trust the people to do what is right. Having the code open to everyone to see if akin to the Freedom of Information Act. It's out vote, it's our duty, it should be our code!
I have to agree that a baseless assumption was made. It was the first thing that struck me as odd, assuming that all 250M CDR's (and let us not forget they said tapes as well) were used to record music. Well I have over 1000 of those CDR's and I can safely say I haven't recorded the first MP3 or copied a CD yet. DATA is what they are for and data is what I record. So make that 250M minus 1000 please!
Oh and come off it. Please tell me what tapes they are referring to. Deos anybody use tape anymore except for their VCR, their digicam, or for their server's backup?
As for ripping MP3's. Yup, I do it! And I don't have to swap out a CD all the time and the shuffle feature of XMMS is great! Oh, and you record company guru's, I still have the original CDs I ripped the mp3's from, and I don't have some P2P app installed either. So bit me! The second I can't listen to music paid for the way I want is the second you lose my business forever! Plenty of Indie bands out there not copy protecting their home grown CDs.
Actually, I'm sure Microsoft will fight in court (though I doubt the PAN developer has the money to fight) that they own the rights to the word PAN, regardless of the fact that it's not an original word. They will undoubtably force the author of PimpAss Newsreader to change the name of his product to POT (Pushed Over Techie) instead.
These PERC RAID cards are not known for their speed. We have been discussing the speed issues on the Dell List Serve located at http://lists.us.dell.com. Many people have said that software based RAID is much much faster. Though most of our speed problems are related to the linux kernel, specifically the Adaptec brand of controllers, a software based approach has some high points to it. Remember that the processor on that RAID card is no where near the speed of your CPU's. You take a bit of a performance hit, but if your server sits idle most of the time, look into it.
Icewalker
I hate to say it, but I tend to agree. Unfortunately, Microsoft made it too easy for people to run webservers and I bet half of them didn't even know it. I guess that is what happens when you have an OS that tries to be everything for everybody all at the same time.
Here comes the really big kicker though. What happens when XP hits the streets? I mean, that will be a server waiting to happen and I wouldn't be surprised to see the bandwidth go through the floor when it comes out and the ignorant start upgrading. Maybe @HOME should ban XP on it's network? NOT! But it would be a nice thought.
Why do I run linux? At least I know it has a web server because I installed it. Long Live Debian and apt-get!
Obtaining Perfection isn't Perfect!
Too bad when Windows XP comes out, every PC running it will be a server! I guess @Home will just have to outlaw Windows XP as well.
My nice apache server just keeps on hummin!
Obtaining Perfection isn't Perfect!