> the term Lindows DOES infringe on the name
> Windows...
Did you get your law degree from the University of Outer Mongolia by Mail Order???
A "Lindows" trade mark cannot infringe on one for "Windows". The issue is that, by presenting itself in the colours used on the website and marketing materials that they could be "passing off" their product as Windows and gaining positive PR and goodwill from the Windows trademark.
As they are marketing as an alternative - and publicly noting that this is an alternative - then really this allegation has little substance.
The only possible issue is that their proposed UI smacks of Luna - or that's what the website theme would suggest. Until we see the worded court documents then this is all conjecture.
"but dumbing down *nix for the average Apple user, who still cant understand why you would ever need more than one button on a mouse ?"
You have a problem with this???? Is it just that we don't want l33t grannies fragging us on wolfenstein and berating us for making our perl readable?
"Apple, from the contact Ive had is a group thats right up their with MS in terms of "OURS ! OURS ! OURS !" They contibute little so far back to the OpenSource domain, their APSL Sucks(IMHO), and is too restrictive."
As it's your opinion you are entitled to it. Apple has to keep some stuff closed because if you work with completely open source stuff...you go out of business. I mean - who's really doing well in the Open source arena?
"Why do people think Apple is less greedy or sniveling than MS, they had it perfected before MS was a player, just happened MS won by default because the PC won the last 30 year batle by a margin of 10:1"
Let me add that I'm not interested in Apple gaining a 90% market share. I trust them more than I trust other companies I'd mention but having a dominance is too much of a temptation for anyone. I'd be quite happy with 10-20%. Course I'd like it if Linux/BSD managed to chalk up another 10-20%. But that's tomorrow...
"IBM FREELY gives back to the OpenSource community , this is better than it sounds"
What exactly? Investment or are they throwing a few marketing bucks at something they can talk about in their ads and brochures. Where's the source code to AIX and OS/2? Seems there's not much meat on those bones.
True. They hired Jordan Hubbard and made sure he could pay the rent. They hired Bud Tribble and Brian Croll who were both Eazel developers. All these guys have to pay the rent.
There was also that NFStest stuff that Avi gave to the BSD guys which they are using to "fix" NFS which is pretty borken!
I don't think they care about getting into "good books" any more than providing a machine that works. No-one is saying dump Linux, they are saying that when using screen and mutt, use a Mac OS X Terminal window...
At the end of the day, there are two operating systems in the world. Those that are UNIX(like) and those that are just Windows. To me that speaks of opportunities especially for you Linux guys who have excellent knowledge of your systems. Brush up a bit on Darwin and become a Mac OS (X) systems expert. The end users themselves can do the GUI stuff but they may, at some point, need someone to have a look at the plumbing. Hey, if ya make a quick buck then all the better.
That's a listing of the "public" wireless networks set up by people on their laptops in the keynote room. you can name the network anything you want so I guess there's some satire there...
>That's funny. My office used to be 100% mac and
>is now 80% Windows. Our servers run AIX and
>Solaris except for the NT file server. You know
>what? Everything is much faster, much more
>stable, and generally we are much more
>productive.
We used to be 30% Mac and 70% UNIX. Now we're 100% PC due to some questionable decisions about four years ago. We've lost more "features" than I care to count, we don't seem to have better security due to weekly updates because of security exploits on Windows and at least when my old Mac crashed I could get someone to fix it and the problem would go away. These days the spotty IT geeks just say "Reboot and ignore the error messages".
Sure, our machines are faster now but I'm comparing a 800Mhz Pentium with half a Gig of RAM to a Quadra 650 (at what, 40Mhz) with 16 Mb RAM. If it wasn't faster I'd be wondering. Windows has been such fun that I went out and bought a Powerbook for myself.
If I were a programmer I'd certainly step up to the mark. I'd aim for a Cocoa application - certainly not the "single window/desktop" mess that StarOffice seems to be.
As it is I've thought about things like this a lot. I'm working on starting up my own consultancy/training business. My aim is essentially to have a small team of consultants and trainers and have two programmers for conultancy work. 50% of their job will be to do what we call our business. 25% will be to surf the web and troll on/. The remaining time will be to contribute to things like the OSX port of OpenOffice...
I think it's important to contractually oblige people to surf the internet and troll around on/.
Good reply.
Besides....most of us on/. live under the shadow of the Penguin, the Daemon or, in my case, the Apple. I don't see any Microsoft in my future.
So?
Using strict biological terms "fitness" can mean just about anything.
Making sure your maize or tomato crop isn't damaged by weather or can recover from being trodden-upon or even ensuring that a higher percentage of the seeds sewn actually germinate is separate from protecting the plants from pests, fungi and weeds.
They should be Gm'ing the plant to be stronger, fitter, more productive and have better shelf life. They should use other organic methods of protecting the crop from pests, fungi and weeds - they can GM a lot of bugs this way.
The problems is that they currently GM corn etc to be pesticide- and herbicide-resistant so they can dose the crop with more chemicals to kill more weeds and pests. Problem is that we then end up eating the crop that is saturated literally with poison. It's bad enough for veggies but meat products concentrate it even further!
But, shit, I can't do without my steak and tatties.
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Apple has some of their own home-grown codecs. But they want to support the standard.
Probably the exact reason why they don't produce it for Linux. You've got Windows lying around.
A "Lindows" trade mark cannot infringe on one for "Windows". The issue is that, by presenting itself in the colours used on the website and marketing materials that they could be "passing off" their product as Windows and gaining positive PR and goodwill from the Windows trademark.
As they are marketing as an alternative - and publicly noting that this is an alternative - then really this allegation has little substance.
The only possible issue is that their proposed UI smacks of Luna - or that's what the website theme would suggest. Until we see the worded court documents then this is all conjecture.
You have a problem with this???? Is it just that we don't want l33t grannies fragging us on wolfenstein and berating us for making our perl readable?
"Apple, from the contact Ive had is a group thats right up their with MS in terms of "OURS ! OURS ! OURS !" They contibute little so far back to the OpenSource domain, their APSL Sucks(IMHO), and is too restrictive."
As it's your opinion you are entitled to it. Apple has to keep some stuff closed because if you work with completely open source stuff...you go out of business. I mean - who's really doing well in the Open source arena?
"Why do people think Apple is less greedy or sniveling than MS, they had it perfected before MS was a player, just happened MS won by default because the PC won the last 30 year batle by a margin of 10:1"
Let me add that I'm not interested in Apple gaining a 90% market share. I trust them more than I trust other companies I'd mention but having a dominance is too much of a temptation for anyone. I'd be quite happy with 10-20%. Course I'd like it if Linux/BSD managed to chalk up another 10-20%. But that's tomorrow...
"IBM FREELY gives back to the OpenSource community , this is better than it sounds"
What exactly? Investment or are they throwing a few marketing bucks at something they can talk about in their ads and brochures. Where's the source code to AIX and OS/2? Seems there's not much meat on those bones.
There was also that NFStest stuff that Avi gave to the BSD guys which they are using to "fix" NFS which is pretty borken!
I don't think they care about getting into "good books" any more than providing a machine that works. No-one is saying dump Linux, they are saying that when using screen and mutt, use a Mac OS X Terminal window...
At the end of the day, there are two operating systems in the world. Those that are UNIX(like) and those that are just Windows. To me that speaks of opportunities especially for you Linux guys who have excellent knowledge of your systems. Brush up a bit on Darwin and become a Mac OS (X) systems expert. The end users themselves can do the GUI stuff but they may, at some point, need someone to have a look at the plumbing. Hey, if ya make a quick buck then all the better.
That's a listing of the "public" wireless networks set up by people on their laptops in the keynote room. you can name the network anything you want so I guess there's some satire there...
>is now 80% Windows. Our servers run AIX and
>Solaris except for the NT file server. You know
>what? Everything is much faster, much more
>stable, and generally we are much more
>productive.
We used to be 30% Mac and 70% UNIX. Now we're 100% PC due to some questionable decisions about four years ago. We've lost more "features" than I care to count, we don't seem to have better security due to weekly updates because of security exploits on Windows and at least when my old Mac crashed I could get someone to fix it and the problem would go away. These days the spotty IT geeks just say "Reboot and ignore the error messages".
Sure, our machines are faster now but I'm comparing a 800Mhz Pentium with half a Gig of RAM to a Quadra 650 (at what, 40Mhz) with 16 Mb RAM. If it wasn't faster I'd be wondering. Windows has been such fun that I went out and bought a Powerbook for myself.
and now someone hacks it for Win2K. Gee...make it work on Windows XP.
*snore*
*yawn*
More importantly - this sounds like a company looking for venture capital...but I get the feeling they are maybe a year too late.
Anyone want a 2GHz chip? I mean...really...
If I were a programmer I'd certainly step up to the mark. I'd aim for a Cocoa application - certainly not the "single window/desktop" mess that StarOffice seems to be.
As it is I've thought about things like this a lot. I'm working on starting up my own consultancy/training business. My aim is essentially to have a small team of consultants and trainers and have two programmers for conultancy work. 50% of their job will be to do what we call our business. 25% will be to surf the web and troll on /. The remaining time will be to contribute to things like the OSX port of OpenOffice...
I think it's important to contractually oblige people to surf the internet and troll around on /.
And you don't put people in jail for being asses. You make them president.
Good reply. Besides....most of us on /. live under the shadow of the Penguin, the Daemon or, in my case, the Apple. I don't see any Microsoft in my future.
So? Using strict biological terms "fitness" can mean just about anything. Making sure your maize or tomato crop isn't damaged by weather or can recover from being trodden-upon or even ensuring that a higher percentage of the seeds sewn actually germinate is separate from protecting the plants from pests, fungi and weeds.
They should be Gm'ing the plant to be stronger, fitter, more productive and have better shelf life. They should use other organic methods of protecting the crop from pests, fungi and weeds - they can GM a lot of bugs this way. The problems is that they currently GM corn etc to be pesticide- and herbicide-resistant so they can dose the crop with more chemicals to kill more weeds and pests. Problem is that we then end up eating the crop that is saturated literally with poison. It's bad enough for veggies but meat products concentrate it even further! But, shit, I can't do without my steak and tatties.