Intel only support 16 GB of low power RAM so it is Intel's fault that they have done this to us rather than Apple's. I am so distraught and am considering suicide because of this, but this is not Apple's fault.
Yeah, I don't understand why Slashdotters, who THINK they are smarter than the average Apple Engineer, don't get it that the issue is INTEL, not Apple.
A modular bottom panel is a pretty good idea. I suppose ideally the entire case would be designed around the bottom panel being swappable for a thicker one which included supplemental battery power and extra ports.
If they had a docking port on the bottom, this could almost be something a third party could deliver.
Your wish is OWC's command. They even put up to 4 TB of storage into it... I'm not sure about a bigger battery, though, but they're still finalizing specs. Probably are worried that another battery would make the whole thing too heavy and expensive.
Nope, there are thinner PC's with better specs.... that also happen to be a fraction of the price. HP and Dell in particular have some really interesting notebooks now.
Until you really start digging down into those specs.
Someone tell Apple that then, because they were fine with configuring an iMac with 32GB RAM and shipping it to me in November.... and their online stores configuration tool still has that option right now...
NOT a mobile computer with mobile-class CPUs. ENTIRELY different animal.
you obviously don't do anything processor intensive, while on the face of it the clock speeds haven't changed much the actual raw performance change from a sandy bridge to a haswell is massive, it is close to a 50% step up.
There is none. Go to www.cpuboss.com. The newer cpus are about 5% slower than the ones a few years ago. Massive my ass
About the 2015 15" MacBook Pro, with that "Faster" CPU:
"After our one-hour stress test with Prime95 and FurMark (Windows), the CPU runs at only1.2 GHz, while the graphics card is also limited to just 400 MHz. "
So, tell me again: What good is a "faster" CPU, if it can only be "Faster" for a FEW SECONDS? Again, regarding the 2015 MBP:
"The CPU does at least start at 3.3 GHz in the Cinebench Multithread tests (battery and mains identical), but consumes far more than 60 watts and reaches almost 100 C (~212 F). As a result, the clock drops to around 2.8 to 3.0 GHz after a few seconds and can maintain this level. This means that unfortunately, the i7-4780HQ is not any faster than the old i7-4850HQ; the i7-4770HQ and the i7-4980HQ should be on par under sustained load as well, which means the performance differences between the different models will be limited to short peak load or poorly parallelized software"
Seriously? You are passing up on an upgrade of an 8 year old MacBook because the new ones do not have a built in SD card slot? I do a lot of Photoshop work and I build Raspberry PI based cameras which involves a lot of programming and SD card use and I would not dream of passing up on a computer upgrade because of a missing built in SD card slot on my 2016 MacBook.
Or don't buy an SD adapter and instead buy a more powerful PC notebook WITH and SD slot for a third of the price of the MBP.
Sorry. There ARE no more "powerful" laptops than the 2016 MBP. One "piece" or another might be more powerful, but overall, the 2016 MBPs are VERY well-balanced and POWERFUL systems. Seriously.
how about instead by a real laptop that actually has an SD card reader instead of tinker toy.
If you walk away with a laptop that has more raw I/O capability than the next HALF-DOZEN Desktops COMBINED, just because you can't be bothered with a $10 (or less) SD reader, you need to seriously question whether computers are for you at all.
Another 5 digit UID whose view of technology is rooted in previous decades....
Trolling, I'd imagine. Either that or it's an Apple employee astroturfing. Hard to say which.
Hey grandpa! People can have different opinions than you for other reasons. And why would Apple want to astroturf a bunch of weird old neckbeards who live in their mother's basement and write this?
Hey, dumbass!
I'm frickin' SIXTY years old, and I have been preaching high and low on this and other forums about the wisdom of having 80 Gbps of Raw, Multifunctional I/O Bandwidth in the form of FOUR identical USB-C/TB3 connectors, and ALL the stupids can harp about is how a $2.50 PASSIVE USB-C to USB-A Adapter for a year or so (before everything is USB-C) is going to make the ENTIRE laptop UTTERLY USELESS.
And how this one machine, when plugged into a USB-C cable, becomes a desktop, and when I unplug it, it becomes a laptop. And all my stuff is on it. Simple. Thing I like most about the MBP is that it has *four* TB3 ports. It has more connectivity than the Mac Pro tower it replaced.
Even if you already HAVE a dock for home, this would make a great addition to your work, or to just have in your computer bag.
Disregard the negative reviews. They are from people that didn't realize you have to load a driver to get the video ports to work right, and those who didn't realize you may have to change a setting or two in macOS, like the Audio Out, to get certain things to work (like the audio port).
Falsehood #4. Dongles are a PITA and constantly get lost. What's the point of losing a millimeter on the laptop thickness in some artificial inverted penis-size competition where the manufacturer has brainwashed everyone into thinking they need/want "THINNER!" when really they don't, but the trade-off is a pile of dongles that are an even bigger hassle to lug around than +1mm in laptop thickness, meanwhile they get lost all the time so the TCO of the laptop skyrockets.
ahhh yes apple fanboys answer to everything, carry a sack full of dongles and cables so you can save half a millimetre of width or 10 grams of weight on your laptop. DVD's are very much a legacy thing now, SD cards are NOT, they are the current standard for most current devices.
I want a new macbook (currently a 2009 macbook)but i want a modern cpu and a sd card slot. things i can't get in current line up. So many macbook owners have been waiting 5-6 years screaming for new tech and apple is failing to deliver.
WTF, OVER?!?
Most people are whining that the "tech" used in the new MBPs is TOO NEW.
it boggles the mind that they use battery life as the reason for not making the option available initially, for people that have a legitimate need for more than 16GB of ram battery life is a secondary factor, especially when the lack of that memory will significantly impact your productivity and considering their target market of video and photographic professionals who legitimately have needs for that memory it really was a strange move.
So, can you think of ONE other reason (besides just not wanting to sell product) that Apple would restrict the RAM in the new MBPs to 16 GB? Seriously.
Have you ever stopped for a minute and consider that for many people (like myself) a thinner and lighter laptop is
much better that 32 gb? I have one of the new MacBook pro and my quality fo life during travels improved a lot.
Exactly.
I have recently been watching a Website that has an ongoing article/list of ALL the Laptops (the vast majority being NON-Apple) that support USB-C/TB3 Ports. Since I left a comment, I clicked the "email me when there are updates". This morning, I get an email showing a new comment from someone who was looking to buy a new laptop, and was looking for advice from the author of the article/list.
Their number-one stated criteria was LOW WEIGHT. In fact, they wanted something that did not exceed two pounds.
So don't for a minute think that that is not a driving-force in laptop designs.
they could have chosen the 32 gb option and used a bigger battery, but it "has to be thin" so they went with the lpddr3.
this is indeed what happened...it's designing with marketing first instead of the user...
I'm fine with Apple having cheesey, trendy marketing, but they need to put the user first in their design decisions.
Marketing can figure out something...they pay them enough ffs...but they really need to change how they make design decisions.
One day, maybe far, far in the future, but some day Microsoft might figure out that if they avoid their garbage spyware/adware software they can ruin Apple due to their market penetration from government contracts....if Apple is still letting ad slogans guide design at that point, on that day Microsoft will kill Apple.
Apple and Microsoft released some laptops/devices with an i5 CPU and 16Gb of RAM and people on Slashdot who would not buy a MacBook or Microsoft device to save their lives screamed bloody murder. Apple and Microsoft then explained they'd done this for battery life reasons and because Intel dragged it's feet with the i7 CPUs. This had no effect other than to cause those same people to keep screaming bloody murder even louder. While it is nice to have an option for a i7 CPU and 32Gb of RAM for the minority of users that actually need that processing power, most people do not need that kind of performance any more than they need a car that is designed with the 24 hours of Le Mans in mind. While I can understand the frustration of people who need an i7 and 32 Gb of RAM I can also understand the decision to release the less powerful version of the MacBook first since it covers the needs of abut 80-90% of their users and follow it up with an i7/32Gb version later.
Better Tactile Keyboard: Reports from people who have switched from the 2015 MBP to the 2016, report that the keyboard feels far less "mushy", and "more precise".
Depends on what you're developing. If you are developing an application that works with a database, you may have a database engine running on your laptop (or in a VM).
I hear that databases and VMs might require a bit of RAM.
I can't find a definitive answer as to whether the physical RAM is limited in macOS to less than 18 exabytes; but at least 128 GB of physical RAM seems to be well-documented.
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Intel only support 16 GB of low power RAM so it is Intel's fault that they have done this to us rather than Apple's. I am so distraught and am considering suicide because of this, but this is not Apple's fault.
Yeah, I don't understand why Slashdotters, who THINK they are smarter than the average Apple Engineer, don't get it that the issue is INTEL, not Apple.
For heavy users having 32GB of RAM will increase battery life, due to less swapping to disk and less in-memory compression.
You're thinking in terms of spinning-rust days. All of that is pretty low-power in the SSD world.
Wait... there's someone who actually liked the glowing Apple logo?
Yes.
A modular bottom panel is a pretty good idea. I suppose ideally the entire case would be designed around the bottom panel being swappable for a thicker one which included supplemental battery power and extra ports.
If they had a docking port on the bottom, this could almost be something a third party could deliver.
Your wish is OWC's command. They even put up to 4 TB of storage into it... I'm not sure about a bigger battery, though, but they're still finalizing specs. Probably are worried that another battery would make the whole thing too heavy and expensive.
Nope, there are thinner PC's with better specs.... that also happen to be a fraction of the price. HP and Dell in particular have some really interesting notebooks now.
Until you really start digging down into those specs.
Someone tell Apple that then, because they were fine with configuring an iMac with 32GB RAM and shipping it to me in November.... and their online stores configuration tool still has that option right now...
NOT a mobile computer with mobile-class CPUs. ENTIRELY different animal.
you obviously don't do anything processor intensive, while on the face of it the clock speeds haven't changed much the actual raw performance change from a sandy bridge to a haswell is massive, it is close to a 50% step up.
There is none. Go to www.cpuboss.com. The newer cpus are about 5% slower than the ones a few years ago. Massive my ass
But, since they are so much lower in power-consumption, they more than make up for that 5% in the fact that the laptops they are in, such as the 2016 MacBook Pro, don't have to throttle AT ALL due to thermal constraints, and thus keep chugging along at full speed, when their older counterparts used in, for example, the 2015 MacBook Pro, have to throttle as much as arouind 66% PERCENT.
About the 2015 15" MacBook Pro, with that "Faster" CPU:
"After our one-hour stress test with Prime95 and FurMark (Windows), the CPU runs at only1.2 GHz, while the graphics card is also limited to just 400 MHz. "
So, tell me again: What good is a "faster" CPU, if it can only be "Faster" for a FEW SECONDS? Again, regarding the 2015 MBP:
"The CPU does at least start at 3.3 GHz in the Cinebench Multithread tests (battery and mains identical), but consumes far more than 60 watts and reaches almost 100 C (~212 F). As a result, the clock drops to around 2.8 to 3.0 GHz after a few seconds and can maintain this level. This means that unfortunately, the i7-4780HQ is not any faster than the old i7-4850HQ; the i7-4770HQ and the i7-4980HQ should be on par under sustained load as well, which means the performance differences between the different models will be limited to short peak load or poorly parallelized software"
Seriously? You are passing up on an upgrade of an 8 year old MacBook because the new ones do not have a built in SD card slot? I do a lot of Photoshop work and I build Raspberry PI based cameras which involves a lot of programming and SD card use and I would not dream of passing up on a computer upgrade because of a missing built in SD card slot on my 2016 MacBook.
Exactly!
Or don't buy an SD adapter and instead buy a more powerful PC notebook WITH and SD slot for a third of the price of the MBP.
Sorry. There ARE no more "powerful" laptops than the 2016 MBP. One "piece" or another might be more powerful, but overall, the 2016 MBPs are VERY well-balanced and POWERFUL systems. Seriously.
how about instead by a real laptop that actually has an SD card reader instead of tinker toy.
If you walk away with a laptop that has more raw I/O capability than the next HALF-DOZEN Desktops COMBINED, just because you can't be bothered with a $10 (or less) SD reader, you need to seriously question whether computers are for you at all.
Another 5 digit UID whose view of technology is rooted in previous decades....
Trolling, I'd imagine. Either that or it's an Apple employee astroturfing. Hard to say which.
Hey grandpa! People can have different opinions than you for other reasons. And why would Apple want to astroturf a bunch of weird old neckbeards who live in their mother's basement and write this?
Hey, dumbass!
I'm frickin' SIXTY years old, and I have been preaching high and low on this and other forums about the wisdom of having 80 Gbps of Raw, Multifunctional I/O Bandwidth in the form of FOUR identical USB-C/TB3 connectors, and ALL the stupids can harp about is how a $2.50 PASSIVE USB-C to USB-A Adapter for a year or so (before everything is USB-C) is going to make the ENTIRE laptop UTTERLY USELESS.
And how this one machine, when plugged into a USB-C cable, becomes a desktop, and when I unplug it, it becomes a laptop. And all my stuff is on it. Simple. Thing I like most about the MBP is that it has *four* TB3 ports. It has more connectivity than the Mac Pro tower it replaced.
FINALLY! Someone who GETS IT!
Have you seen this?
Even if you already HAVE a dock for home, this would make a great addition to your work, or to just have in your computer bag.
Disregard the negative reviews. They are from people that didn't realize you have to load a driver to get the video ports to work right, and those who didn't realize you may have to change a setting or two in macOS, like the Audio Out, to get certain things to work (like the audio port).
Falsehood #4. Dongles are a PITA and constantly get lost. What's the point of losing a millimeter on the laptop thickness in some artificial inverted penis-size competition where the manufacturer has brainwashed everyone into thinking they need/want "THINNER!" when really they don't, but the trade-off is a pile of dongles that are an even bigger hassle to lug around than +1mm in laptop thickness, meanwhile they get lost all the time so the TCO of the laptop skyrockets.
I don't think you'll be losing THIS.
ahhh yes apple fanboys answer to everything, carry a sack full of dongles and cables so you can save half a millimetre of width or 10 grams of weight on your laptop. DVD's are very much a legacy thing now, SD cards are NOT, they are the current standard for most current devices.
Sack full?
No. You just have to shop smarter.
And you STILL have THREE identical ports LEFT!!!
So yes, we DO have an answer "to" everything. Now, STFU, Hater!
I want a new macbook (currently a 2009 macbook)but i want a modern cpu and a sd card slot. things i can't get in current line up. So many macbook owners have been waiting 5-6 years screaming for new tech and apple is failing to deliver.
WTF, OVER?!?
Most people are whining that the "tech" used in the new MBPs is TOO NEW.
video and photographic professionals who legitimately have needs for that memory it really was a strange move.
Even the latest iMacs and Mac Minis have no 32GB of RAM option.
Of all the products Apple sells.... only the Mac Pro is configurable up to 64GB.
And the hardware's still all a generation behind PC hardware.
You keep saying that; but then why are pretty much all the current QUAD-CORE Windows laptops using the same Skylake CPUs as Apple?
it boggles the mind that they use battery life as the reason for not making the option available initially, for people that have a legitimate need for more than 16GB of ram battery life is a secondary factor, especially when the lack of that memory will significantly impact your productivity and considering their target market of video and photographic professionals who legitimately have needs for that memory it really was a strange move.
So, can you think of ONE other reason (besides just not wanting to sell product) that Apple would restrict the RAM in the new MBPs to 16 GB? Seriously.
Have you ever stopped for a minute and consider that for many people (like myself) a thinner and lighter laptop is much better that 32 gb? I have one of the new MacBook pro and my quality fo life during travels improved a lot.
Exactly.
I have recently been watching a Website that has an ongoing article/list of ALL the Laptops (the vast majority being NON-Apple) that support USB-C/TB3 Ports. Since I left a comment, I clicked the "email me when there are updates". This morning, I get an email showing a new comment from someone who was looking to buy a new laptop, and was looking for advice from the author of the article/list.
Their number-one stated criteria was LOW WEIGHT. In fact, they wanted something that did not exceed two pounds.
So don't for a minute think that that is not a driving-force in laptop designs.
this is indeed what happened...it's designing with marketing first instead of the user...
I'm fine with Apple having cheesey, trendy marketing, but they need to put the user first in their design decisions.
Marketing can figure out something...they pay them enough ffs...but they really need to change how they make design decisions.
One day, maybe far, far in the future, but some day Microsoft might figure out that if they avoid their garbage spyware/adware software they can ruin Apple due to their market penetration from government contracts....if Apple is still letting ad slogans guide design at that point, on that day Microsoft will kill Apple.
Apple and Microsoft released some laptops/devices with an i5 CPU and 16Gb of RAM and people on Slashdot who would not buy a MacBook or Microsoft device to save their lives screamed bloody murder. Apple and Microsoft then explained they'd done this for battery life reasons and because Intel dragged it's feet with the i7 CPUs. This had no effect other than to cause those same people to keep screaming bloody murder even louder. While it is nice to have an option for a i7 CPU and 32Gb of RAM for the minority of users that actually need that processing power, most people do not need that kind of performance any more than they need a car that is designed with the 24 hours of Le Mans in mind. While I can understand the frustration of people who need an i7 and 32 Gb of RAM I can also understand the decision to release the less powerful version of the MacBook first since it covers the needs of abut 80-90% of their users and follow it up with an i7/32Gb version later.
This is PRECISELY correct.
Give us back MagSafe charging Ports that are useful And Better tactile keyboard (e.g. Long travel keys) give the thin shit to the hipsters
I'll give you MagSafe (although Griffin kinda has that covered).
But the "Ports that are useful" meme is just bullshit.
Here you go. All of this I/O is done with ONE of the MBP's FOUR USB-C/TB3 Ports. And you STILL have 3 Ports left!. So, STFU.
Better Tactile Keyboard: Reports from people who have switched from the 2015 MBP to the 2016, report that the keyboard feels far less "mushy", and "more precise".
Depends on what you're developing. If you are developing an application that works with a database, you may have a database engine running on your laptop (or in a VM).
I hear that databases and VMs might require a bit of RAM.
When they're coded like MS SQL Server, they do.
Other databases are less insane.
OSX is 1999 tech so it doesn't work with that much memory so they refuse to support it because it exposes their horrific shit.
That's why Mac Pros since at least 2009 work with up to 128GB?
Exactly.
And I believe that, since OS X 10.4, OS X/macOS has a RAM limit in the 18 Exabyte range for VM, actually.
I can't find a definitive answer as to whether the physical RAM is limited in macOS to less than 18 exabytes; but at least 128 GB of physical RAM seems to be well-documented.
Yes but artificially limiting the memory for seven+ years is just going too far.
Um, Apple isn't "artificially limiting" ANYTHING.
Talk to Intel, Hater.
OSX is 1999 tech so it doesn't work with that much memory so they refuse to support it because it exposes their horrific shit.
You're a moron.
"Casuals" shouldn't buy "pro".
Pros want an actual pro tool.
Please define "Actual Pro Tool".