I thought Apples were supposed to 'just work' ? If that was really the case, none of this would matter. I bought an Apple and I do not want to deal with this.
Oh, and I find it quite telling that every single person on multiple Forums that has claimed to actually have an MBP with astonishingly bad battery life has just "stomped off" like you have when I asked them details about how fast the fans were running (indicating lots of current-draw), or what the Energy Tab in Activity Monitor said (you said you ran "Top". That isn't what I asked for; and then said "certainly not the browser" about the CPU usage it reported"). And when I suggested you might install Coconut Battery (free) to see what the charge/discharge rates actually were, you replied with the meme "I though Apples were supposed to 'Just Work'...
Bullshit.
Sorry, but you are lying through your teeth.
If I had a brand new $3000 laptop and it was getting ONE HOUR of battery life, I'd be on the phone with Phil Schiller personally.
I thought Apples were supposed to 'just work' ? If that was really the case, none of this would matter. I bought an Apple and I do not want to deal with this.
So, go buy a Dell and see how much time you spend Troubleshooting...
You know, I was thinking about this last night, and it's kind of bullshit that they use smoke and mirrors to get the battery lifetime they advertise. It should not be 10 hours of battery time assuming you are running cooperative software that plays nicely and can be optimized. It should be 10 hours battery life period. Certainly it should have at least 60% of that optimized.
Install this freeware, and let me know what it says.
1 month old macbook pro with touchstrip, battery life down to 1.5 to 2 hours doing regular development tasks. Originally when I got the macbook it was more like 5 hours, was never close to 10. After maybe 50 charges battery life is down to 1 hour. The proposition above was that the culprit was Safari, but the same thing is happening with Firefox then because I never use Safari.
And if you read my original post carefully, I said "Safari, or a Framework thereunder".
Maybe FF is using some (or all) of the same Frameworks that Safari uses, and thus triggers the same bug.
Let me ask you: What are your fans doing during all this? What does the "Energy" Tab of Activity Monitor say is suckin' down the juice.
Law of conservation of energy says that power is going somewhere, shouldn't be that hard to figure out where.
And meanwhile, the "workaround" could be as simple as using Chrome instead of Safari until the fix is available. Most reasonable people would understand.
Yes, but Apple is involved, so reason flies out the window. If this were a bug with Chrome on Chromebooks, nobody's hair would be on fire if they had to use Firefox for a few weeks while Google figured out what the problem is and released a fix. But since it's Apple, it's time to burn the witch.
Why? Whether they do or not is irrelevant. They want to show their products in the best light. The best light is not always realistic. Better to have multiple tests with differing conditions.
You are an idiot. You do not converse; you jabber.
Funny that someone with grammar and spelling skills as non-existant as the ones demonstrated below (see bolded words) would say that I have a language-parsing defect.
Company X comes out with brand new device Y and your a fucktard for buying it as soon as you can, [comma-splice] and whine there's something wrong with it,[comma-splice] that's your penility for being a fucktard [no period at end of sentence]
They are trying to prove them wrong, they are not working on fixing the battery issues. Within a few days we will all learn on Slashdot that Consumer Reports was doing it wrong.
And you know this, how?
Didn't you read that part in the summary where it says "Apple's VP of Marketing has since addressed the report"?
They did not send a crack team of engineer to review the devices or to assess the issue, they had their marketing guy say that the results don't match their in-house tests.
You're an idiot.
Phil Schiller has been involved in many aspects of Apple during his loooooong tenure with the company.
It is obvious to anyone who has watched his career at Apple that he is, first and foremost, and outside of any title he may hold, an Apple User and an Apple Enthusiast, who takes both the product and the whole "experience" quite seriously.
Nobody can save Apple. They have 16,000 software engineers and they keep releasing the same 3-4 buggy products with little or no innovation. What are all those people doing all day? Moving buttons around in iTunes? It's like a DMV of epic proportions. Entitlement, bureaucracy and total lack of accountability.
You are free not to purchase their products. I'm sure they will survive.
Nope. Two things: 1) Apple has a monopoly on apps on iPhones, which have a dominant market position.. This puts them into anti-trust territory, though they've bought an exemption to that legislation. 2) I forget the legal term, but responding maliciously to hurt a company in revenge for filing a suit is illegal and very easy to demonstrate to a judge.
You are sadly mistaken on how Antitrust Law works.
apple owned apple store is completely and totally operated under anti-trust laws.
The question is, should companies selling apps be at the whims and mercy of one or two companies (like Apple and Google)? It is abuse of position because only two companies control access of apps to mobile platforms. It would be great if multiple retailers had something similar to App store and Google Play and were allowed to sell apps to the consumer.
You are completely free to start your own Mobile Device Company. Hell, you can even Fork Android. There's half the battle won already!
Stop whining and start building your own phones, or STFU.
apple owned apple store is completely and totally operated under anti-trust laws. no idea if they have breached any of those here but being apple owned and operated doesn't excuse them from the requirement to not engage in anti competitive behaviour.
Please demonstrate where I mentioned "antitrust law"...
Why can't we have a discussion on abuse of position without twats like you snarking in and saying "it has nothing to do with antitrust, so Apple is fine".
Abuse of position and anti-competitive behaviour DOES NOT require violation of antitrust law. Apple doing this is wrong, and something should be done about it.
In case you didn't know, Apple's biggest product is marketing. They sell it with everything and give it away all the time. Only for their products, obviously, bu that's more important to them than anything else.
It's the one thing that's not changed in their entire history, and people still fall for it and perpetuate it all the time.
Apple is a marketing company that happen to sell a couple of overhyped products. IBM et al are just people who build cities, systems and technologies.
Apple stick a colour screen on top their keyboard, ala that expensive OLED keyboard that's been around for decades, and slap $500 on the price.
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I thought Apples were supposed to 'just work' ? If that was really the case, none of this would matter. I bought an Apple and I do not want to deal with this.
Oh, and I find it quite telling that every single person on multiple Forums that has claimed to actually have an MBP with astonishingly bad battery life has just "stomped off" like you have when I asked them details about how fast the fans were running (indicating lots of current-draw), or what the Energy Tab in Activity Monitor said (you said you ran "Top". That isn't what I asked for; and then said "certainly not the browser" about the CPU usage it reported"). And when I suggested you might install Coconut Battery (free) to see what the charge/discharge rates actually were, you replied with the meme "I though Apples were supposed to 'Just Work'...
Bullshit.
Sorry, but you are lying through your teeth.
If I had a brand new $3000 laptop and it was getting ONE HOUR of battery life, I'd be on the phone with Phil Schiller personally.
But you "can't be bothered". Riiiight.
Liar.
oh you got me with a zinger, doesnt mean your not a fucktard, your a fuctard with nothing better to do than grade forum posts
Actually, it was FIVE zingers in one run-on sentence. And there's one in the sentence above, too.
And you brought it on yourself by stating:
[...] since you can no process whole phrases yourself [...]
Which contains ANOTHER "zinger", BTW...
If I were you, I'd quit at this point. It's just getting funnier by the sentence!
Well, I will wait for them to fix it and then I expect them to cover it. Right now it's not that worth it to me to spend time on it.
You're no Developer if you can't tolerate a little debugging.
Poser.
I thought Apples were supposed to 'just work' ? If that was really the case, none of this would matter. I bought an Apple and I do not want to deal with this.
So, go buy a Dell and see how much time you spend Troubleshooting...
You know, I was thinking about this last night, and it's kind of bullshit that they use smoke and mirrors to get the battery lifetime they advertise. It should not be 10 hours of battery time assuming you are running cooperative software that plays nicely and can be optimized. It should be 10 hours battery life period. Certainly it should have at least 60% of that optimized.
Install this freeware, and let me know what it says.
And I repeat:
Either the battery isn't being charged sufficiently, or is being drained inordinately.
Nothing else is possible, other than a defective battery.
Well I ran 'top' and there is no heavy CPU utilization. Certainly not by any browser.
So, you think the battery just isn't being charged, then?
1 month old macbook pro with touchstrip, battery life down to 1.5 to 2 hours doing regular development tasks. Originally when I got the macbook it was more like 5 hours, was never close to 10. After maybe 50 charges battery life is down to 1 hour. The proposition above was that the culprit was Safari, but the same thing is happening with Firefox then because I never use Safari.
And if you read my original post carefully, I said "Safari, or a Framework thereunder".
Maybe FF is using some (or all) of the same Frameworks that Safari uses, and thus triggers the same bug.
Let me ask you: What are your fans doing during all this? What does the "Energy" Tab of Activity Monitor say is suckin' down the juice.
Law of conservation of energy says that power is going somewhere, shouldn't be that hard to figure out where.
Goolge needs to ban carrier builds and let people update there os with out needing to wait for the carrier to do it.
I was told that Google couldn't do that, because Android was Open Sores.
Android's Done.
And nothing of value was lost.
Yes, but Apple is involved, so reason flies out the window. If this were a bug with Chrome on Chromebooks, nobody's hair would be on fire if they had to use Firefox for a few weeks while Google figured out what the problem is and released a fix. But since it's Apple, it's time to burn the witch.
Exactly.
Why? Whether they do or not is irrelevant. They want to show their products in the best light. The best light is not always realistic. Better to have multiple tests with differing conditions.
You are an idiot. You do not converse; you jabber.
Communication terminated.
Company X comes out with brand new device Y and your a fucktard for buying it as soon as you can, [comma-splice] and whine there's something wrong with it,[comma-splice] that's your penility for being a fucktard [no period at end of sentence]
Hahahahahaha!!!!
Well I use Firefox on a brand new Macbook pro and my battery sucks. So, no that's not it.
Nicely non-informative post.
Would you care to elaborate?
They are trying to prove them wrong, they are not working on fixing the battery issues. Within a few days we will all learn on Slashdot that Consumer Reports was doing it wrong.
And you know this, how?
Didn't you read that part in the summary where it says "Apple's VP of Marketing has since addressed the report"?
They did not send a crack team of engineer to review the devices or to assess the issue, they had their marketing guy say that the results don't match their in-house tests.
You're an idiot.
Phil Schiller has been involved in many aspects of Apple during his loooooong tenure with the company.
It is obvious to anyone who has watched his career at Apple that he is, first and foremost, and outside of any title he may hold, an Apple User and an Apple Enthusiast, who takes both the product and the whole "experience" quite seriously.
Nobody can save Apple. They have 16,000 software engineers and they keep releasing the same 3-4 buggy products with little or no innovation. What are all those people doing all day? Moving buttons around in iTunes? It's like a DMV of epic proportions. Entitlement, bureaucracy and total lack of accountability.
You are free not to purchase their products. I'm sure they will survive.
Nope. Two things: 1) Apple has a monopoly on apps on iPhones, which have a dominant market position.. This puts them into anti-trust territory, though they've bought an exemption to that legislation. 2) I forget the legal term, but responding maliciously to hurt a company in revenge for filing a suit is illegal and very easy to demonstrate to a judge.
You are sadly mistaken on how Antitrust Law works.
Do some studying, or STFU.
This can be viewed as retaliation,
No it can't. Sorry, moron.
learn the law moron, simply owning and operating something doesn't mean you can't abuse your market position. Ask MS how that went for them.
As soon as Apple has close to 100% of ANY market, THEN you MIGHT have a point.
"If Amazon or Walmart stopped selling Withings products would you be complaining?"
I don't know if he would, but I would.
The fact they have been selling them means people want to buy them. The items being removed is against the consumer's interest, by definition.
What's left is just the question of where exactly on the spectrum of bad for the consumer (i.e. me, you, and him) the decision lies.
So a corporation MUST sell EVERYTHING you think it should sell, or be "Operating against the consumer's interest"?
Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!
You REALLY need to get out of your Mom's Basement, comrade!
apple owned apple store is completely and totally operated under anti-trust laws.
The question is, should companies selling apps be at the whims and mercy of one or two companies (like Apple and Google)? It is abuse of position because only two companies control access of apps to mobile platforms. It would be great if multiple retailers had something similar to App store and Google Play and were allowed to sell apps to the consumer.
You are completely free to start your own Mobile Device Company. Hell, you can even Fork Android. There's half the battle won already!
Stop whining and start building your own phones, or STFU.
apple owned apple store is completely and totally operated under anti-trust laws. no idea if they have breached any of those here but being apple owned and operated doesn't excuse them from the requirement to not engage in anti competitive behaviour.
I don't think you understand that Term of Art.
Please demonstrate where I mentioned "antitrust law"...
Why can't we have a discussion on abuse of position without twats like you snarking in and saying "it has nothing to do with antitrust, so Apple is fine".
Abuse of position and anti-competitive behaviour DOES NOT require violation of antitrust law. Apple doing this is wrong, and something should be done about it.
You implied it, you utter and complete moron.
And if this isn't abuse of Apples position, demonstrating exactly why Apples walled garden should be illegal, what is?
And no, I don't care that Apple doesnt have "a monopoly", this is anti-competitive and Apple shouldn't be allowed to do it
You are simply too stupid to be allowed to breathe.
In case you didn't know, Apple's biggest product is marketing. They sell it with everything and give it away all the time. Only for their products, obviously, bu that's more important to them than anything else.
It's the one thing that's not changed in their entire history, and people still fall for it and perpetuate it all the time.
Apple is a marketing company that happen to sell a couple of overhyped products. IBM et al are just people who build cities, systems and technologies.
Apple stick a colour screen on top their keyboard, ala that expensive OLED keyboard that's been around for decades, and slap $500 on the price.
Bullshit.