If you have to replace a motherboard under warranty for the iMac Pro, IIRC, they consider that to be a complete unit with the CPU and RAM, and thus won't touch the board if you have replaced the memory or cpu.
This would be a radical departure for the way that they've operated for the last 30 years. I have never once seen them deny warranty service like this, unless the part itself is the likely cause of the fault. I've brought in my MBP with all its mods and so forth, and never had an issue despite it being about as heavily modified as is possible (it's prior to the current crop of Retina machines).
What? No. 8GB is standard. 32GB is $600 more - almost the full price of the base model.
This is correct- for the cost of an "upgrade" to 32GB you could buy 2 or 3 fully-loaded Samsung or Lenovo tablets, which would come with Micro SD card slots and normal, industry-standard headphone jacks.
Sorry Apple, I've already switched to a Samsung Tab A 10.1, and I'm not going back. The problem is that your gear is devoid of of standard features like memory card slots, headphone jacks, and affordable prices.
Apple's pricing has always been high, but these new models push the pricing into stratospheric-stupid territory.
Or you can just buy the base model (maybe with a CPU upgrade) and UPGRADE THE MEMORY YOURSELF?!?
As I said, this was more than 3 years ago now... and the Applecare on my computer has now long since expired. I can only speak to my experience. The fact that I apparently got modded as a troll for doing so only suggests that people think I had an agenda for saying what I did.
I worked Apple retail before going on to work at two different Apple Specialists (the highest level of AASP - Apple Authorized Service Provider). I now work for a another company and one of my tasks is the occasional job of taking Apple machines in for repair.
At this point, the number of Apple machines I have dealt with that were going through the AppleCare repair process number in the tens of thousands, I would guess. In all of that time, I have not once seen an AppleCare coverage denied because of third-party RAM installed by the end user. Not a single time.
Your statement is verifiably incorrect by the thousands of other people who have had the same experience as mine.
Exactly.
I hate LYING Apple-Haters. If you're gonna hate on Apple, at least don't LIE to do it.
Apparently the RAM is user upgradable, so why you'd want to pay Apple's obscene markup to install a few DIMMs for you is beyond me.
Because if you don't, then you forgo your extended warranty.
And before you ask, yes, this actually happened to me, about 3 years ago now. I made it clear to them that I will never buy another Mac again... their reaction was as about as indifferent as one might expect.
Liar.
Apple didn't even void warranty when people had to PRY them open (before the cranial screwtop lid).
Their position is: "As long as you don't break it upgrading your own stuff, there is no reason to void the warranty."
And when has this EVER happened to anyone? The connectors inside are very sturdy and the screws help keep stuff in place too. Seriously, this has never been an issue.
"Never" encompasses a mighty long time.
Check the Google Machine for "ram came unseated" (no quotes). It's rare; but it definitely happens.
And, I forgot to include "dirty/corroded RAM contacts". That is actually more likely, depending on things like Relative Humidity, temperature swings, etc.
OK, Apple guys, if you are reading this, the fake Tim Cook guy is a dedicated shill. Please don't fire him. In this instance he has admitted his illiteracy and hence, nullified the Apple narrative : but I am sure the best of shills have their off days - especially when faced with a formidable logician like me. Give him a chance : he is still effective in brainwashing idiots.
Not FUD. A statistical possibility that is higher than if the parts are soldered, even if not a likely failure.
You're talking astronomically unlikely here. I prefer to concern myself with real-world problems, like the entirely likely chance that you will have a memory error, or a storage error, or that your device will die and you will need to recover from the storage, or that you will want to upgrade the memory or storage.
Connector retention-tabs can also fail, or the parts can not be fully-inserted by the factory, or even more likely, the UNTRAINED (or even trained) USER when they UPGRADE their RAM or SSD. I recently did it myself with my (Samsung) work laptop,
Congratulations, fuckup.
I THOUGHT the RAM DIMM was fully-inserted; looked fully-inserted, fleet full-inserted; but it apparently WASN'T.
Next time, pull up on it to make sure that the tabs are holding it down, dumbass. What an amateur.
Not "astronomically unlikely", sorry. And "astronomically UNLIKELY" is STILL not "Doesn't/Can't Happen".
I DID pull up on it. It wasn't the first, or even the several-dozenth, RAM module I have installed/replaced, dumbass.
Looking is a prerequisite for understanding. More often than you might want.
And my understanding was that your link was a completely off-topic, non-informative, waste of the reader's time and bandwidth, which added absolutely nothing to the discussion.
That was in contrast to my Amazon link to several Mag-Safe alternatives; which was very MUCH on-topic AND Informative.
Thanks for proving your mental retardation. It could be blown away by the wind, burnt up due to chemical processes, repelled by electric forces. To say nothing about the vagueness of the word "fallen".
Though, if your corporate masters want you to not admit that it is not "fallen", you might make some other irrelevant statement like this rather than address the actual issue.
That was a (slightly mangled) TOS quote (and a fairly well-known one at that), dumbass. My use of that quote served to help demonstrate that some things are incontrovertible, simply because, to conclude otherwise, would require a reordering of fundamental laws of the universe. In the case of failure rates of socketed vs. non-socketed RAM and SSD, there can be little, if any, argument, that each connector comes with at least the increased POSSIBILITY of electromechanical failure modes over soldering.
No, it is not "obviously". Obviously : the number of failures when there are connectors , is more than or equal to the number of failures when there are no connectors.
If I drop a hammer on a planet with a positive gravity, I do not have to look to see if it has fallen.
Plenty of them. It's common with high end laptops to support at least a M.2 drive and a 2.5" SATA drive. Many can hold even more than that. The Lenovo P50-series support two up to M.2 drives and a SATA drive, so you can easily cram more than 4TB into one if you're willing to spend the money. Granted, I don't know if Lenovo sells them that way, but it's a standard slot so just buy the drive you want and pop it in there.
So yes, you can get 4TB in a laptop, just not one with a fruit on the lid.
It seems Lenovo only sells their spinning-rust P5x configs up to 3 TB for some reason. But I get your point.
And then it has that antediluvian Keyboard Clit. How Retro! What a joke!
Lightning actually already provides USB host mode. If you take a Lightning-to-USB adapter (the camera adapter), you can plug in keyboards, audio interfaces, etc., and they will all work. You can even plug in certain types of Ethernet adapters.
So I think it is safe to say that they won't prevent host mode from working over USB-C.
Well, your first link is setting up an Apple ID, which does not require a payment method. Now try to use that apple ID to install anything free on your Ipad... I'll wait... (spoiler, you need to put in a payment method).
Your 2nd link flat out agrees with me, the first guy says, "this is how you do it". Every post after that is, "uh, your wrong, I don't see it", or "I think you can't do it from the website."
I've been through tons of hoops on this, even talked to a lawyer at the EFF. Apple has a program to allow schools to create an actual child ID, but my school refuses to participate. Even though the ID is not managed by the school and the school district next door appears to participate. I've given up on it because I was becoming that problem parent and I have other concerns.
Ok, well maybe I stand corrected. I am willing to believe that you have researched this further than my 10 minutes...
It sounds like Apple does have sort of a catch-22 problem with Child IDs.
It also sounds like the IT or some Administrative Asshole at your School District needs to have a knot jerked in his tail; even if there is a "hole" in the Child ID signup "rules", Apple has provided "a way out", and it is ultimately YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT that is the stumbling-block.
You need to go to your local TV station and get their "Investigator" on it. Sweeps is coming up, and they are ALWAYS looking for things they can stick their nose into. "For the Children" issues are ALWAYS of interest to News Directors...
Some time you DO have to be "that parent". And who knows, maybe you'll find there are other non-Apple households that are having this problem, too.
God damn it you sure make some stupid statements to defend apple. CONNECTORS are the ANTITHESIS of RELIABILITY You realise a dongle is a connector dont you?
So is a PCIe slot. The point is, even if a cable-connected drive/interface/dock has a glitch, it will pretty much NEVER cause a KP, nor even an Application-crash. You will probably lose SOME data (how much depends on lots of factors); but will not likely be in a "reboot" situation.
if apple wanted to be a bit more of a customer friendly company maybe they would solder in an SD card slot; HMDI port and Standard USB ports.
Your such an ass, Macs dont need any help getting kernel panics. apple crappy software causes lots of them
Really?
The ONLY time I have had a KP was when I first got my G5 tower (2005), and one of the aftermarket RAM DIMMs was not operating to-spec, and was corrupting memory accesses. Used the RAM Diagnostic provided by Apple to identify which RAM slot, swapped it out, and never heard another peep.
The only other time was when I installed some freeware scanner-application back around 2002. Obviously, it didn't have some Interrupt-Handler set up right. It KP'ed HARD and Repeatably. Uninstalled the Application and never heard another peep.\
So, sorry. OS X/macOS has been VERY stable in my long-time experience with them (since 10.0.0).
Instead of "soldering in" single-use ports (which are stuck doing what they do, even if equipment that uses them becomes obsolete. Like having an old computer with a Parallel or SCSI port), Apple has given ALL users COMPLETE Flexibility to use their I/O bandwidth as they see fit AT THE MOMENT. Given the plethora of inexpensive multiport USB-C docks, You simply CANNOT argue that this is a worse alternative. At least not with a LOGICAL argument.
Imagine the Apple enthusiasts who connects a $400+ Thunderbolt hard drive or RAID, or an external monitor. This is going to get ugly. USB-C is terrible for this, Apple skirted around this on macbookpro by sort of supporting everything on every port.
Apple "skirted around" NOTHING.
They simply embraced the raw expandability and flexibility afforded by the USB-C/TB3 Controllers from Intel. Works great! The only thing missing is DP1.4 support (it does support DP1.2, though). That's Intel's "fault", not Apple's. However, IIRC, Intel has made DP1.4 happen; unfortunately, it requires a new Controller chip.
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If you have to replace a motherboard under warranty for the iMac Pro, IIRC, they consider that to be a complete unit with the CPU and RAM, and thus won't touch the board if you have replaced the memory or cpu.
You must be thinking of Dell.
Otherwise, PROVE IT.
For values of probably synonymous with "yes".
This would be a radical departure for the way that they've operated for the last 30 years. I have never once seen them deny warranty service like this, unless the part itself is the likely cause of the fault. I've brought in my MBP with all its mods and so forth, and never had an issue despite it being about as heavily modified as is possible (it's prior to the current crop of Retina machines).
Exactly.
For values of probably synonymous with "yes".
What else is a customer supposed to do, other than not buy Apple in the first place?
Howabout you just STOP LYING!
will changing the ram void the warranty?
it does have so-dimms
No. Never has. Never will.
And for all the Haters that have posted hand-wringing bullshit about Apple "not listening": Well, witness the result of Apple listening!
(MUCH!) Better CPU (up to a SIX core i7)? Check!
Upgradeable RAM? Check!
Up to 64 GB RAM? Check!
Upgradeable SSD? Possibly (PCI-e Based)
Up to 2 TB SSD? Check!
10gigE Option? Check!
USB-A AND HDMI (plus FOUR USB-C/TB3 Ports)? Check!
And it STILL has a 3.5mm Headphone Jack...
This is one FANTASTIC Upgrade!
But I'm sure the Haters will STILL find SOMETHING to bitch about...
Once we have tablets with 2TB of RAM Adobe will port Photoshop to Java and it will run on Android. Checkmate Appletards.
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!
What? No. 8GB is standard. 32GB is $600 more - almost the full price of the base model.
This is correct- for the cost of an "upgrade" to 32GB you could buy 2 or 3 fully-loaded Samsung or Lenovo tablets, which would come with Micro SD card slots and normal, industry-standard headphone jacks.
Sorry Apple, I've already switched to a Samsung Tab A 10.1, and I'm not going back. The problem is that your gear is devoid of of standard features like memory card slots, headphone jacks, and affordable prices.
Apple's pricing has always been high, but these new models push the pricing into stratospheric-stupid territory.
Or you can just buy the base model (maybe with a CPU upgrade) and UPGRADE THE MEMORY YOURSELF?!?
Dumbass.
Probably because knowing Apple opening the machine would void your warranty. Apple is completely against right to repair.
Bullshit.
Then why does the new Mac mini revert to SO-DIMMS and perhaps even PCI Memory?
Why does it have an easy to remove bottom-panel?
Fucking LYING HATERS.
FOAD.
As I said, this was more than 3 years ago now... and the Applecare on my computer has now long since expired. I can only speak to my experience. The fact that I apparently got modded as a troll for doing so only suggests that people think I had an agenda for saying what I did.
You're not trolling; you're simply LYING.
Otherwise, prove it.
I worked Apple retail before going on to work at two different Apple Specialists (the highest level of AASP - Apple Authorized Service Provider). I now work for a another company and one of my tasks is the occasional job of taking Apple machines in for repair.
At this point, the number of Apple machines I have dealt with that were going through the AppleCare repair process number in the tens of thousands, I would guess. In all of that time, I have not once seen an AppleCare coverage denied because of third-party RAM installed by the end user. Not a single time.
Your statement is verifiably incorrect by the thousands of other people who have had the same experience as mine.
Exactly.
I hate LYING Apple-Haters. If you're gonna hate on Apple, at least don't LIE to do it.
Because if you don't, then you forgo your extended warranty.
And before you ask, yes, this actually happened to me, about 3 years ago now. I made it clear to them that I will never buy another Mac again... their reaction was as about as indifferent as one might expect.
Liar.
Apple didn't even void warranty when people had to PRY them open (before the cranial screwtop lid).
Their position is: "As long as you don't break it upgrading your own stuff, there is no reason to void the warranty."
You must be thinking of Dell.
HDMI. :-D
Always be precise about what you're asking me to name.
Just one of the FIFTY TWO (Simultaneous) Ports you can have with a USB-C/TB3 equipped MacBook Pro.
And when has this EVER happened to anyone? The connectors inside are very sturdy and the screws help keep stuff in place too. Seriously, this has never been an issue.
"Never" encompasses a mighty long time.
Check the Google Machine for "ram came unseated" (no quotes). It's rare; but it definitely happens.
And, I forgot to include "dirty/corroded RAM contacts". That is actually more likely, depending on things like Relative Humidity, temperature swings, etc.
OK, Apple guys, if you are reading this, the fake Tim Cook guy is a dedicated shill. Please don't fire him. In this instance he has admitted his illiteracy and hence, nullified the Apple narrative : but I am sure the best of shills have their off days - especially when faced with a formidable logician like me. Give him a chance : he is still effective in brainwashing idiots.
That's TRULY hilarious!
So you don't understand the difference between "more than " and "more than or equal to" ?
Of course I don't,
Moron.
Not FUD. A statistical possibility that is higher than if the parts are soldered, even if not a likely failure.
You're talking astronomically unlikely here. I prefer to concern myself with real-world problems, like the entirely likely chance that you will have a memory error, or a storage error, or that your device will die and you will need to recover from the storage, or that you will want to upgrade the memory or storage.
Connector retention-tabs can also fail, or the parts can not be fully-inserted by the factory, or even more likely, the UNTRAINED (or even trained) USER when they UPGRADE their RAM or SSD. I recently did it myself with my (Samsung) work laptop,
Congratulations, fuckup.
I THOUGHT the RAM DIMM was fully-inserted; looked fully-inserted, fleet full-inserted; but it apparently WASN'T.
Next time, pull up on it to make sure that the tabs are holding it down, dumbass. What an amateur.
Not "astronomically unlikely", sorry. And "astronomically UNLIKELY" is STILL not "Doesn't/Can't Happen".
I DID pull up on it. It wasn't the first, or even the several-dozenth, RAM module I have installed/replaced, dumbass.
Looking is a prerequisite for understanding. More often than you might want.
And my understanding was that your link was a completely off-topic, non-informative, waste of the reader's time and bandwidth, which added absolutely nothing to the discussion.
That was in contrast to my Amazon link to several Mag-Safe alternatives; which was very MUCH on-topic AND Informative.
Thanks for proving your mental retardation. It could be blown away by the wind, burnt up due to chemical processes, repelled by electric forces. To say nothing about the vagueness of the word "fallen".
Though, if your corporate masters want you to not admit that it is not "fallen", you might make some other irrelevant statement like this rather than address the actual issue.
That was a (slightly mangled) TOS quote (and a fairly well-known one at that), dumbass. My use of that quote served to help demonstrate that some things are incontrovertible, simply because, to conclude otherwise, would require a reordering of fundamental laws of the universe. In the case of failure rates of socketed vs. non-socketed RAM and SSD, there can be little, if any, argument, that each connector comes with at least the increased POSSIBILITY of electromechanical failure modes over soldering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Hand in your Geek Card immediately, loser.
You clearly did not understand anything here.
No, I just failed to look at your stupid link.
Why do you ask others to "prove it" then ?
https://slashdot.org/comments....
No, it is not "obviously". Obviously : the number of failures when there are connectors , is more than or equal to the number of failures when there are no connectors.
If I drop a hammer on a planet with a positive gravity, I do not have to look to see if it has fallen.
Plenty of them. It's common with high end laptops to support at least a M.2 drive and a 2.5" SATA drive. Many can hold even more than that. The Lenovo P50-series support two up to M.2 drives and a SATA drive, so you can easily cram more than 4TB into one if you're willing to spend the money. Granted, I don't know if Lenovo sells them that way, but it's a standard slot so just buy the drive you want and pop it in there.
So yes, you can get 4TB in a laptop, just not one with a fruit on the lid.
It seems Lenovo only sells their spinning-rust P5x configs up to 3 TB for some reason. But I get your point.
And then it has that antediluvian Keyboard Clit. How Retro! What a joke!
Lightning actually already provides USB host mode. If you take a Lightning-to-USB adapter (the camera adapter), you can plug in keyboards, audio interfaces, etc., and they will all work. You can even plug in certain types of Ethernet adapters.
So I think it is safe to say that they won't prevent host mode from working over USB-C.
I guess you are right, of course.
Thanks for the correction!
Why would you need to? Most of those other laptops have fifty-two legacy ports built-in. :-D
Really? Name ONE.
Well, your first link is setting up an Apple ID, which does not require a payment method. Now try to use that apple ID to install anything free on your Ipad...
I'll wait...
(spoiler, you need to put in a payment method).
Your 2nd link flat out agrees with me, the first guy says, "this is how you do it". Every post after that is, "uh, your wrong, I don't see it", or "I think you can't do it from the website."
I've been through tons of hoops on this, even talked to a lawyer at the EFF. Apple has a program to allow schools to create an actual child ID, but my school refuses to participate. Even though the ID is not managed by the school and the school district next door appears to participate. I've given up on it because I was becoming that problem parent and I have other concerns.
Ok, well maybe I stand corrected. I am willing to believe that you have researched this further than my 10 minutes...
It sounds like Apple does have sort of a catch-22 problem with Child IDs.
It also sounds like the IT or some Administrative Asshole at your School District needs to have a knot jerked in his tail; even if there is a "hole" in the Child ID signup "rules", Apple has provided "a way out", and it is ultimately YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT that is the stumbling-block.
You need to go to your local TV station and get their "Investigator" on it. Sweeps is coming up, and they are ALWAYS looking for things they can stick their nose into. "For the Children" issues are ALWAYS of interest to News Directors...
Some time you DO have to be "that parent". And who knows, maybe you'll find there are other non-Apple households that are having this problem, too.
God damn it you sure make some stupid statements to defend apple.
CONNECTORS are the ANTITHESIS of RELIABILITY
You realise a dongle is a connector dont you?
So is a PCIe slot. The point is, even if a cable-connected drive/interface/dock has a glitch, it will pretty much NEVER cause a KP, nor even an Application-crash. You will probably lose SOME data (how much depends on lots of factors); but will not likely be in a "reboot" situation.
if apple wanted to be a bit more of a customer friendly company maybe they would solder in an SD card slot; HMDI port and Standard USB ports.
Your such an ass, Macs dont need any help getting kernel panics. apple crappy software causes lots of them
Really?
The ONLY time I have had a KP was when I first got my G5 tower (2005), and one of the aftermarket RAM DIMMs was not operating to-spec, and was corrupting memory accesses. Used the RAM Diagnostic provided by Apple to identify which RAM slot, swapped it out, and never heard another peep.
The only other time was when I installed some freeware scanner-application back around 2002. Obviously, it didn't have some Interrupt-Handler set up right. It KP'ed HARD and Repeatably. Uninstalled the Application and never heard another peep.\
So, sorry. OS X/macOS has been VERY stable in my long-time experience with them (since 10.0.0).
Instead of "soldering in" single-use ports (which are stuck doing what they do, even if equipment that uses them becomes obsolete. Like having an old computer with a Parallel or SCSI port), Apple has given ALL users COMPLETE Flexibility to use their I/O bandwidth as they see fit AT THE MOMENT. Given the plethora of inexpensive multiport USB-C docks, You simply CANNOT argue that this is a worse alternative. At least not with a LOGICAL argument.
Imagine the Apple enthusiasts who connects a $400+ Thunderbolt hard drive or RAID, or an external monitor. This is going to get ugly. USB-C is terrible for this, Apple skirted around this on macbookpro by sort of supporting everything on every port.
Apple "skirted around" NOTHING.
They simply embraced the raw expandability and flexibility afforded by the USB-C/TB3 Controllers from Intel. Works great! The only thing missing is DP1.4 support (it does support DP1.2, though). That's Intel's "fault", not Apple's. However, IIRC, Intel has made DP1.4 happen; unfortunately, it requires a new Controller chip.