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Apple Expected To Announce iPad Pro With USB-C Next Week (bloomberg.com)

Bloomberg highlights all the big announcements expected to be made next week at Apple's October hardware event, such as an iPad Pro with a USB-C port instead of a Lightning port, a MacBook Air successor, and a new Mac Mini. From the report: The update to the iPad Pro will be the most significant in the product's history. The device was originally launched in 2015 in part as a counter-measure to Microsoft's Surface Pro, which gained a following with business users seeking large tablets with support for attachable keyboards and styluses. The iPad Pro models, which have larger screens, better cameras, and faster processors, are more expensive, which has sustained revenue growth. [Some of the new features, according to people familiar with the plans, include a nearly edge-to-edge display with slimmer bezels, a USB-C connector, Face ID, Animojis, a faster processor (variant of the A12 Bionic chip), a custom Apple graphics chip, and an updated Apple Pencil.]

For the Mac, Apple is planning its first wide-ranging upgrades since June 2017. The MacBook Air and Mac mini, a small desktop machine without a screen, have gone several years without notable changes. This, combined with interest in larger smartphones and competing PCs, led Apple to report the fewest Mac sales since 2010 in its fiscal third quarter. [Apple is reportedly planning a new entry-level laptop to replace the aging MacBook Air. It's expected to have a higher-resolution 13-inch screen, as well as slimmer bezels around the display. The Mac mini will have new processors and features for professional users. Apple's also working on refreshed iMacs, iMac Pros, and 12-inch MacBooks with faster processors, and at least some of these updates could be ready for the October launch.]
The event's theme is "making," and it will take place in New York City on Tuesday at 10:00am EST.

130 comments

  1. USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is WHY Apple leads! and the rest follow!

    1. Re: USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The MB Pro has 4 USB-C ports that can all be used as power or charging ports. Everyone else still only offers one power and at best another port.

    2. Re: USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the MB pro came wit 2 USB ports?

  2. "History"? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The update to the iPad Pro will be the most significant in the product's history.

    The product has been around less than three years. Does that really qualify as "history"? And isn't every Apple products new update the "most significant in the product's history"? How many times can Apple go to the well with that horseshit?

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    1. Re:"History"? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe a significant moment in Apple's history, if they are finally switching to USB-C instead of their proprietary Lightning bullshit.

      I wouldn't celebrate just yet though. You can bet that they will do something to make it crappy and expensive and only work properly with Apple certified stuff.

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    2. Re:"History"? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      I also blame Apple's love for the needlessly dramatic for supplanting "contact" with "reach out". Ugh.

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    3. Re:"History"? by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 1

      The update to the iPad Pro will be the most significant in the product's history.

      The product has been around less than three years. Does that really qualify as "history"? And isn't every Apple products new update the "most significant in the product's history"? How many times can Apple go to the well with that horseshit?

      No quiero esto mierda de toro.

      Hmm... sounds better in Spanish.

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    4. Re:"History"? by nnull · · Score: 1

      The irony is that Microsoft now offers a better tablet than either Apple or any of the Android tablet manufacturers.

      Android tablets are locked down and loaded up with bloatware that you can't remove, with courtesy applications being loaded up for your convenience all the time and Apple's app store is now loaded with applications that are majority in-app purchases that want yearly subscriptions now for the dumbest things ever.

    5. Re:"History"? by nnull · · Score: 1, Informative

      You mean like trying to use an SD card reader sold be Apple themselves that doesn't work?

    6. Re:"History"? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      How many times can Apple go to the well with that horseshit?

      As many times as its fans will have a splooge moment hearing about it.

    7. Re:"History"? by paazin · · Score: 1

      The product has been around less than three years. Does that really qualify as "history"? And isn't every Apple products new update the "most significant in the product's history"? How many times can Apple go to the well with that horseshit?

      But... they have animojis now!! Such a breakthrough takes true courage

    8. Re:"History"? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I expect USB host mode won't be supported. At least not to any useful degree.

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    9. Re:"History"? by gtall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      on the other hand, to use MS's tablet means I have to use Winders....no, nothing is worth that.

    10. Re:"History"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine the Apple enthusiasts who connects a $400+ Thunderbolt hard drive or RAID, or an external monitor. This is going to get ugly. USB-C is terrible for this, Apple skirted around this on macbookpro by sort of supporting everything on every port.

    11. Re: "History"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet White House history writes you!

    12. Re:"History"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If real GNU/Linux takes off on mobile hardware and Microsoft keeps to their policy of allowing other OSes to boot on x86, there could be a way.
      e.g., run the OS or shell from the Librem 5 phone on an x86 tablet. You'll have both touch-enabled junk (including software for books, maps, media players etc.) and traditional software (e.g. GIMP) just like with Windows 8, RT and 10.

    13. Re:"History"? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lightning is awesome. there is no way to plug it in wrong and the data works on my car's USB port

    14. Re:"History"? by slaker · · Score: 1

      There's nothing on an Android device that can't be at least disabled with ADB commands and replaced with something else if necessary. There's no root process involved in that, aside from knowing how to use ADB (Debloater for Android and ADBFire are both good front-ends for it). Non-removable apps also reside on the system partition of your device, which means they're not taking up space in the space available to the end user anyway.

      I can't speak to what Apple does, other than the general culture over there being "Pay for everything and no, you can't change anything from the way we want it to be." One size fits some is Apple's biggest problem.

      On the other hand, Surface devices still take too long to boot and update and are hampered by too many tools that don't work well on a relatively small touchscreen. They're nice enough as small computers but they're merely functional as tablets. Unless I specifically needed an application that only ran on Windows, I'd rather have a $200 ChromeOS/Android device where I'm assured a solid touch screen experience.

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    15. Re:"History"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as the isheep bleeet in agreement.

    16. Re: "History"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USB-C for charging only with a generic cable (European mandated charging standards), but still requires the Apple cord if you want to access the data off the devices

    17. Re:"History"? by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      no, nothing is worth that

      Big talk for an internet toughguy. I bet you wouldn't quit your job because your employer provides Windows workstations.

    18. Re:"History"? by LtUoNXizqxawTj4ofx7t · · Score: 2

      Gimp? On a tablet? That was a good one. And linux on tablet? I'll wait for linux on desktop first. People are going to love solving problems in a console on a tablet for sure.

    19. Re:"History"? by nnull · · Score: 1

      I run linux on a tablet. Rarely have to use the console to fix anything. But yes, Gimp is not the right tool for a tablet if you intend to do artwork and is quite laughable.

    20. Re: "History"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are right, instead I burned the place down because they kept taking my fucking stapler.

    21. Re:"History"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can mod me down all you want, but republicans are still gonna win. Your little 'morality' games aren't gonna help you out of this one. They just aren't playing. Eh, whatever, suit yourselves. Lucky for me I'm old

    22. Re:"History"? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      Maybe a significant moment in Apple's history, if they are finally switching to USB-C instead of their proprietary Lightning bullshit.

      I wouldn't celebrate just yet though. You can bet that they will do something to make it crappy and expensive and only work properly with Apple certified stuff.

      Hey Moron/Hater:

      Apple developed and introduced Lightning BEFORE there WAS a USB-C. They produced it as an IMPROVEMENT over the horrible mini/micro-USB epic Failures-as-connector-designs.

      Having said all that, I am very hopeful they are moving to USB-C on their mobile devices. There are a zillion good reasons for that. We'll know next Tuesday...

    23. Re:"History"? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I expect USB host mode won't be supported. At least not to any useful degree.

      That is actually rumored to be one of the things that is coming along with USB-C.

    24. Re:"History"? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Imagine the Apple enthusiasts who connects a $400+ Thunderbolt hard drive or RAID, or an external monitor. This is going to get ugly. USB-C is terrible for this, Apple skirted around this on macbookpro by sort of supporting everything on every port.

      Apple "skirted around" NOTHING.

      They simply embraced the raw expandability and flexibility afforded by the USB-C/TB3 Controllers from Intel. Works great! The only thing missing is DP1.4 support (it does support DP1.2, though). That's Intel's "fault", not Apple's. However, IIRC, Intel has made DP1.4 happen; unfortunately, it requires a new Controller chip.

    25. Re:"History"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe a significant moment in Apple's history, if they are finally switching to USB-C instead of their proprietary Lightning bullshit.

      I wouldn't celebrate just yet though. You can bet that they will do something to make it crappy and expensive and only work properly with Apple certified stuff.

      Another case of "Apple should have gone with standard X that was announced after Apple shipped their proprietary shit."

    26. Re:"History"? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Lightning actually already provides USB host mode. If you take a Lightning-to-USB adapter (the camera adapter), you can plug in keyboards, audio interfaces, etc., and they will all work. You can even plug in certain types of Ethernet adapters.

      So I think it is safe to say that they won't prevent host mode from working over USB-C.

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    27. Re:"History"? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Lightning actually already provides USB host mode. If you take a Lightning-to-USB adapter (the camera adapter), you can plug in keyboards, audio interfaces, etc., and they will all work. You can even plug in certain types of Ethernet adapters.

      So I think it is safe to say that they won't prevent host mode from working over USB-C.

      I guess you are right, of course.

      Thanks for the correction!

    28. Re:"History"? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I am heartened on this cold, dark morn by the knowledge that I am not the only one who has noticed this travesty. :-)

      (Now if we could just do something about moronic seasonal time changes...)

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    29. Re:"History"? by JabrTheHut · · Score: 1

      I just checked, and in IOS 12 you can’t remove the telephone, messages, settings, safari, camera, clock, photos and find my iPhone apps. Everything else can be removed without an additional app. It doesn’t ship with cripple ware telco crap, adware, google’s keyloggera or Samsung’s keyloggers.

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    30. Re:"History"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "USB-C/TB3 Controllers from Intel. Works great!"

      Well, sure! Until it disconnects on you because some GENIUS thought that a 1/16" (1 mm) engagement was sufficient. It is NOT, because the connectors are not grabbed firmly enough.

    31. Re:"History"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No quiero esto mierda de toro.

      Hmm... sounds better in Spanish."

      Well, maybe if your translation was correct.

      First off, "mierda" is femenine, so it's "esta mierda".

      Second, "toro" is "bull". He specifically said "horse", which translates to "caballo".

      So, it should be "No quiero esta mierda de caballo".

      I do agree it does sound better in Spanish.

  3. Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is the iPad Pro.

    1. Re:Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi Yoda

  4. not USB-C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    USB-C is just a trolling rumor, nothing more. What they are actually going to do is introduce a new faster proprietary dongle connector. It doesn't connect to anything directly, just dongles. This is the type of leading innovation that Apple excels at. Because courage.

    1. Re:not USB-C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's true that Apple users love to suck on dongles.

    2. Re:not USB-C by mentil · · Score: 3, Funny

      One Dongle to rule them all!
      And in the darkness, trip on it and stub your toe.

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    3. Re:not USB-C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precious.

  5. Ah, Apple "Innovating" again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The device was originally launched in 2015 in part as a counter-measure to Microsoft's Surface Pro

    A fine example of how Apple's idea of "innovating" is copying from others and removing features.

  6. Just give that bloody thing mouse support!! Apple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be something.

  7. In before Superfag Ken Doll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apple is the best thing that ever happened to my unemployed whiner status."

    1. Re:In before Superfag Ken Doll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr Kendall is a respected Slashdot contributor. Please stop harassing him.

    2. Re: In before Superfag Ken Doll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

    3. Re: In before Superfag Ken Doll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol no he isnt, he's a clueless idiot, typical of the kind of pseudo techs you find on slash post 2010

  8. ZenPad 3S 10 by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ZenPad 3S 10 with USB-C. Already out for a year. Obviously, all mobile tablets and phones are going to USB-C, Apple only follows the herd.

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    1. Re:ZenPad 3S 10 by blindseer · · Score: 2

      Apple only follows the herd? How quickly people forget their history.

      The Lightning port came out in 2012 and USB-C was published in 2014 but products didn't appear until at least a year later. Lightning supported more than 5 watts charging, audio, video, and USB data when everyone else was still stuck with the micro USB-B port. Some devices supported MHL output with the micro-B port but this was far from universal.

      USB-C didn't offer video at first, that was added later as an alternate mode. Audio accessories from USB-C didn't happen until just last year with some aborted attempts at vendor specific audio devices before that. Because of this USB-C audio will be a mess until enough of the old incompatible devices get tossed so that people can enjoy a truly "universal" experience from the Universal Serial Bus.

      If Apple adopts USB-C (which is just a rumor now) then it will be because USB-C finally caught up with what Lightning offered in 2012. USB-C copied the Lightning port features, often poorly at first, and just now surpassed the Lightning in features.

      After tearing USB down I will prop it up. USB had enough foresight to allow for extensions to the USB-C feature set to avoid some of the problems with their previous connectors. The alternate mode concept allowed for the use of the port for ThunderBolt, DisplayPort, MHL, and most recently audio accessories, without violating the specification. MHL on USB was a neat hack, but it was a hack. People using USB for power was another hack that the USB group embraced and allowed for standardized and simplified means to draw power later on. I fully expected Apple to leapfrog USB-C with another connector after Lightning, replacing Lightning with something even better than USB-C. I guess Apple found the need to do so unnecessary given that USB-C is now established far more than the many USB-B variants ever were.

      Apple hasn't followed the herd, they adopt the fringes and make them the standard. USB-A was a fringe port until Apple adopted it. USB-C was little more than another USB-B variant until Apple put it on their laptops and took advantage of the higher power and alternate modes the new connector offered. After that the herd followed them. Assuming Apple adopts USB-C on their tablets then I expect the "herd" to follow them and adopt the USB-C spec more closely so that audio devices work on Apple just as well as it does on other devices that follow the spec.

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    2. Re:ZenPad 3S 10 by dk20 · · Score: 1

      I have this tablet, and it has been out for well over a year.

      Asus ZenPad 3S 10 (Z500M) tablet was launched in July 2016

      But strongly agree, USB-C is where everything is moving towards, about time aple got rid of hteir "usb on one end, stupid on the other" nonsense (USB to 30 pin dock, USB to "lightning"... and the endless dongles)

      If it has a standard USB on one end, it doesnt need a special apple-only connector on the other end.

    3. Re:ZenPad 3S 10 by blindseer · · Score: 1

      If it has a standard USB on one end, it doesnt need a special apple-only connector on the other end.

      Yes it does, if the USB connectors are feature and power limited pieces of shit. I believe that too many people forget what problems Lightning was built to solve.

      First came FireWire. Well, maybe I'm digging too far back in time but it seems too few even know what life was like before USB owned everything.

      Then came the 30 pin connector. This allowed for not just charging and data like USB but also video and audio. This was not something USB could do, at least not until we had MHL on USB, and other extensions to USB.

      Lightning pared down the number of pins from the 30 pin connector by doing away with features no longer in common use, like FireWire and component video. Until last year USB-C didn't even have a standard means to support audio accessories. Until USB-C there was no common port that both supported more than 5 watts of power and fit to the ever slimmer electronics.

      It wasn't until last year that USB-C could do everything that Lightning offered years earlier, now that we are finally seeing USB catch up with the Apple designed connectors Apple is adopting USB-C.

      What I believe people forget is that USB-C was only published 4 years ago. Maybe with people buying a new phone every year this might seem like a long time ago but there's a lot of hardware out there older than 4 years. If you have a USB-C device that's 2 years old then it is unlikely to support audio out like new USB-C devices. This means to get audio you need a cable that's "USB on one end, stupid on the other".

      Here's something comical that I expect to see soon, USB-C to USB-C adapters that support some feature on one end and another on the other end. Expect USB-C with USB 2.0 on one side and USB-C with audio on the other. Or, a USB-C cable with DisplayPort on one end and HDMI on the other. Maybe a USB-C Thunderbolt to USB-C USB 3.2 cable.

      USB-C is great so long as the port supports what you expect it to. There are so many optional features to USB-C that people are already tripping over cables and ports not doing what they wanted or expected. It will get worse before it gets better.

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    4. Re:ZenPad 3S 10 by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Don’t forget that John Gruber has some interesting dirt on the USB-C standard

      I have heard, can’t say who, but let’s call them “informed little birdies”, that USB-C is an Apple invention and that they gave it to the standard bodies. And that the politics of such is that they can’t really say that. They’re not going to come out in public and say it, but they did. It is an Apple invention and they do want it to become a standard.

      In addition, recall that other phone makers approached Apple about licensing the Lightning port, and were turned down. I have a feeling that’s because if Apple introduced a new Lightning peripheral, and everybody else’s Lightning ports didn’t support them, it would be Apple that got heat for the completely-predictable lack of Android updates to support the hardware.

    5. Re:ZenPad 3S 10 by blindseer · · Score: 1

      I found the article you (very likely) referred to:
      https://daringfireball.net/lin...

      This is an interesting theory/rumor. There's no way to verify this without someone in Apple speaking out, and that's not likely to happen until USB-C is well adopted. As well adopted it is on cell phones that doesn't mean it can't be abandoned on a whim, it's still fighting for space on desktop computers and even on laptops where adoption is gaining some traction.

      I like USB-C very much, it's a large improvement over other ports in this space. One thing that bothers me, and this it mostly an implementation issue than anything, is that I can't just connect two computers by USB-C and expect them to talk to each other. I could do this with Thunderbolt and FireWire. Doing this with Ethernet and serial needed only a crossover cable, at least in early implementations, later Ethernet and serial didn't require even that. Apple supported this kind of networking or master/slave system (depending on the setup or other specifics) going way back, going back to LocalTalk or even earlier. Windows even supported networking on FireWire and other cables. This is not supported on the non-Thunderbolt USB-C computers, and no Windows computer I have seen support such a connection. This is a very non-Apple non-feature. I would like to see this fixed in the future, but again it's largely an implementation issue than a problem with the spec itself as demonstrated by Apple allowing such with their USB-C ThunderBolt systems.

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    6. Re:ZenPad 3S 10 by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Some good points but going overboard with your Apple-centric view of the universe. Android USB-C tablets are already out there, Apple is the follower in this case.

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    7. Re:ZenPad 3S 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some good points but going overboard with your Apple-centric view of the universe. Android USB-C tablets are already out there, Apple is the follower in this case.

      Yes, no doubt that Android tablets with USB-C existed before Apple. What they lack is a port with as many features as Lightning. How can I say this with any confidence? Because USB-C did not have a standardized means to output audio until last year. There was no specified means to output video over USB-C until 2014, two years after Lightning came out.

      The leadership here is not on USB-C first, it's on having a tablet that supported audio and video output on a port that would fit on a tablet computer.

      Apple wasn't the first to have USB-A ports on their computers either, what Apple did do first is provide USB-A ports that supported keyboards and mice first. I remember those days and it may have been possible to plug in a keyboard and mouse into USB ports on a Windows compatible computer but they would not be useful until the computer finished booting and the OS loaded the drivers, and even then the support was flaky. Maybe there were Android tablets with USB-C first but they were still just USB 2.0 ports, with the limitations on data transfer speeds and power delivery that came with supporting only the USB 2.0 spec.

      That's not much of a win if all the USB-C port did was be nothing more than a micro-B port that could be inserted "upside down". There's no bragging rights in offering a crippled USB-C port.

    8. Re:ZenPad 3S 10 by blindseer · · Score: 1

      I didn't say Apple was first with USB-C on a tablet. I said Apple produced a port with as many features as USB-C has today in 2012. Apple was first to have a port that supported audio, video, 12 watt charging, on a "flippable" connector. USB-C surpassed Lightning in features when it extended the spec to include an audio accessory mode last year. The ability for USB-C to allow for greater power transfer than Lightning was largely irrelevant until now since devices capable of taking advantage of this are a recent development.

      I was being very "Apple centric" in my commentary because this is a where we are discussing an article on a potential Apple product announcement. Had this been a discussion on Samsung products then I'd be talking about that company.

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    9. Re:ZenPad 3S 10 by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Anyway, USB-C is certainly a welcome trend, including host-side USB-C. But now we are back to crossover cables, try to explain to a user why you can't just cable two computers together like you can with Ethernet. The isolated complaints will soon turn into a chorus.

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    10. Re:ZenPad 3S 10 by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Anyway, USB-C is certainly a welcome trend, including host-side USB-C. But now we are back to crossover cables, try to explain to a user why you can't just cable two computers together like you can with Ethernet. The isolated complaints will soon turn into a chorus.

      How do you mean "back to crossover cables"? As far as I know there is no such thing for USB-C. I mean I can connect two Apple computers by a standard USB-C cable and they will talk to each other but other manufacturers don't implement this feature of USB-C. For people to demand this feature they must first believe it to be useful. Apple might create this expectation among the public but there's enough wireless options now that people don't even think of trying to use a wired connection.

      I would be pleased if more manufacturers supported a host-to-host USB-C connection but I would not be surprised if this remains in the realm of Apple systems. I suspect we'll see a USB-C replacement port come with this feature first, one with greater bandwidth even. USB-C is fast but people are already hitting it's limits with things like external GPUs and large drive arrays.

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    11. Re:ZenPad 3S 10 by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Maybe my worry is overblown, the marketplace isn't exactly overflowing with active cables to accommodate those devices that shipped with host-only USB-C. A quick survey of motherboards now shipping with type-C shows that most do not mention dual mode so I presume they don't have it. That's going to cause confusion and annoyance.

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  9. Oh I see the big deal by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is about Apple finally backing down from its proprietary connector and going with the same connector as everybody else. But I bet they will find a way to still be incompatible, this is Apple we're talking about.

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    1. Re:Oh I see the big deal by nine-times · · Score: 2

      Apple actually pushes open standards all the time. Apple was one of the first companies to push USB in the first place. I think they created the mini-displayport connector standard and released it patent-free. A lot of times, when people complain about "proprietary" Apple stuff (e.g. Thunderbolt, AAC audio files), they simply don't know what they're talking about.

    2. Re:Oh I see the big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think they created the mini-displayport connector standard and released it patent-free.*

      * Apple offers a free license for the Mini DisplayPort but they reserve the right to cancel the license should the licensee "commence an action for patent infringement against Apple." -Wikipedia

    3. Re:Oh I see the big deal by blindseer · · Score: 1

      This is about Apple finally backing down from its proprietary connector and going with the same connector as everybody else.

      With the exception of cell phones the adoption of USB-C has been very slow. Only when Apple started putting it on their laptops did it become anything "everybody else" bothered to offer.

      But I bet they will find a way to still be incompatible, this is Apple we're talking about.

      I'm sure a lot of people will complain about Apple being "incompatible" but it won't be Apple's fault.

      There's plenty of articles and videos floating about on how the different USB-C audio accessories are incompatible with different devices. This is the fault of the USB group defining at least two different ways to get audio out of a USB port.

      What a lot of the early and most compatible USB-C audio devices did was put a USB 2.0 to audio chip in a small dongle, or in the connector of the headphones. If the tablet or phone supported USB audio devices (and most did) then they worked fine. This cost a few pennies more than just running wires from the on board DAC used for the internal speaker and so people tried different ways to run that to the USB-C connector. If they did this before the audio accessory alternate mode was added to the USB-C spec then they likely didn't work except on the specific device it was designed to support. Even now the audio accessory mode isn't widely supported, with some device makers saving pennies on their devices by not even bothering to support this mode and relying on software, and an external DAC, for audio output beyond the internal speaker.

      People complain about Apple being "incompatible" all the time. Well, if this bothers you then don't buy their products. Complaining about this all the time is like some NPC talking all the time on how they don't own a TV, eat only vegan, or take public transportation everywhere they go. USB-C just last year offered all the features that Lightning did in 2012 so it seems Apple finds this is a good time to drop the Lightning connector. With one of the largest companies in the world now supporting the USB-C spec on their tablet computers I can expect these complaints of incompatibilities to fade, because if it doesn't work with Apple then it won't sell well.

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    4. Re:Oh I see the big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is rather pigheaded. They sell an $80 USB-C adapter with HDMI out. This is the only one compatible with their MacBooks (and other laptops I guess). Cheaper adapters that work with Dells and such won't correctly with Apple hardware.

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    5. Re:Oh I see the big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is rather pigheaded. They sell an $80 USB-C adapter with HDMI out. This is the only one compatible with their MacBooks (and other laptops I guess). Cheaper adapters that work with Dells and such won't correctly with Apple hardware.

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      Apple's adapters expect a USB-C port that supports DisplayPort video output, at least that's my understanding. There's other video alternate modes that are part of the USB-C spec, including HDMI and MHL. If Dell is using the HDMI alternate mode for video out then the Dell HDMI adapter won't work on an Apple and the Apple HDMI adapter won't work on a Dell. A USB-C port with HDMI alternate mode will use a passive cable to pass HDMI through. A USB-C port with DisplayPort alternate mode will have an active cable to output HDMI. Apple has an active adapter, which will cost more than a passive adapter because it is far more complex to produce.

      I'm guessing that it is possible to have a computer or other device that can support both HDMI and DisplayPort accessories/peripherals natively but this would be more expensive than just supporting one or the other. Not only because of the higher complexity but also in licensing fees to the entities holding those specifications. Apple chose to output only DisplayPort, thus saving on cost and complexity while also supporting the more capable standard. If you want to connect a display that had only HDMI then you will have to pay to "downgrade" the signal from DisplayPort to HDMI. If you want a computer that supports the less capable HDMI standard natively then buy the less capable computer from Dell.

    6. Re:Oh I see the big deal by blindseer · · Score: 1

      The Apple adapter is more of a mini-dock than just a video adapter, it allows for power pass-through on USB-C, a USB-A port, and HDMI. Also it's only $69, not $80.
      https://www.apple.com/shop/pro...

      If the higher priced and more capable mini-dock is too much for you then buy something cheaper. Such as this $16.99 HDMI adapter from Amazon.
      https://www.amazon.com/AmazonB...

      Amazon also offers a mini-dock much like Apple's but for nearly half the price. If you think Apple is charging too much, or that it might not work with your Dell, then don't buy it. Amazon claims their adapters are fully compatible with Apple computers, as well as recent Windows versions, and appears to have a very good return policy if it does not work. You aren't forced to buy Apple adapters for your Apple computer.

      Go ahead though, keep propping up strawmen to make your case. I'll just knock them down.

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    7. Re:Oh I see the big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking apple. Piece of shit evil company

  10. What's "professional" mean? by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Mac mini will have new processors and features for professional users.

    If anything, this shows how out of touch Apple is. The Mac Mini by its very design goals is not meant to be a pro machine. It's small size it supposed to appeal to consumers who don't want a large tower, and that means considerations for thermal output at the expense of performance. It's not made to be easily user serviceable, does not offer discrete graphics, and it does not have any advanced expandability.

    Judging by the current Macbook Pro, I don't think Apple understands what "a machine made for professional use" is. Apparently in a non-portable machine it's
    "any computer that requires a separate monitor".

    1. Re:What's "professional" mean? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Judging by the current Macbook Pro, I don't think Apple understands what "a machine made for professional use" is. Apparently in a non-portable machine it's "any computer that requires a separate monitor".

      I think Apple starts the other way and defines what consumers need. If you want a portable machine it's a MacBook, if it's a stationary machine it's an iMac. And not a million configurations, low/medium/high and small/medium/big is sufficient. If you have needs that aren't covered by those you're some kind of prosumer/professional who wants a niche functionality. Remember Jobs was the guy who wanted to use custom screws so the plebs couldn't even open the case, soldering everything in place and integrating the display is just the realization of that concept.

      Apple doesn't want to be everything for everybody, you either fit their vision of who this machine is for or they don't care. For example there's a reason 96% of Steam users are on Windows, Apple never cared about gaming. It doesn't mean they're ignoring the consumer market, but they are ignoring the gaming subset of the consumer market. Same with many subsets of the professional market, they don't have a product for it. I think professional color-calibrated reference monitors are the reason Apple still offers Macs with no display. That consumers use it is just a halo product.

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    2. Re:What's "professional" mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Mac Mini is just laptop hardware in a small desktop box, though they crippled it.
      It will probably remain fairly crippled.
      The current old one already has dual Thunderbolt. That is fairly advanced!, except just not practical because anything Thunderbolt is severely overpriced barring gigabit Ethernet (arbitrarily cheap because it connects Mac book pro to a LAN)

      I wonder if the new one loses support for a 2.5" drive.
      What I wonder most about is, does it use DDR4 or LPDDR3? With DDR4 the RAM size may be 8GB, 16GB or 32GB, with LPDDR3 it's only 8GB or 16GB. (if they just ax the 4GB model)

      Mac Mini with PCIe SSD and 32GB RAM will be not quite bad. Or are you saying that no "pro" uses a laptop? Many professional users use a laptop even though it comparatively sucks.
      If anything, a new Mac Mini would put a desktop on some desks again, although with "only" the perforrmance of a laptop with 15W CPU..

      I'm not an Apple fan at all. I consistently hate their fake pro laptop (they should call it the netbook pro), the new iMac ($5000 and you will likely destroy it if you try to access the RAM slots, of which there are only four), would like the iPhone if their idea of a "low cost" model wasn't $749 for the low storage version. Only the Mac Mini is something I'd like, can be used with a full layout keyboard, normal PC monitors and LCD TVs and lastly is very portable as is. Possibly more than a macbookpro with dead keyboard.

    3. Re:What's "professional" mean? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The Mac Mini by its very design goals is not meant to be a pro machine.
      That only shows how out of touch you are.
      The Mac Mininks by all means a pro machine, e.g. for software development or as a build slave in an CI/CD environment.

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    4. Re:What's "professional" mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL
      You have a vastly different meaning of "pro" from the rest of the world.

    5. Re:What's "professional" mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While at hte same time I'd rather have an i7 in my computer at work than the super expensive Xeon processor we have because I do CAD software development and frankly, single core performance matters most. I need cycles, not local cache.

    6. Re:What's "professional" mean? by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      You also need ECC ram.

      As I recently realized,

      “We are going to keep getting pwned so long as Intel continues to treat security as an enterprise feature.”

      For you, though, not losing hours of work to an alpha particle is also quite important, as is ensuring you don’t base weeks of work on quietly corrupt files that work okay until you try to do a checksum after saving to some random piece of the file, only to have the whole thing turn into a potato.

    7. Re:What's "professional" mean? by Tom · · Score: 1

      Note that this is some anonymous source, not an official Apple statement.

      I doubt anyone inside Apple would position the Mac Mini for professional use. From a marketing perspective alone, that's ridiculous. ("Mini" and "Pro", which part you don't understand?)

      The Mini is still a wonderful device and if they update it, I'll think about getting one again. My last one was the best media station I ever had. I know the Apple TV is meant to be that, but I don't need TV or radio, I just need something that stores and plays my own media, runs VLC, has a small remote control just for start/stop (volume is on the 7.1 stereo anyway) and has HDMI and maybe seperate digital audio output. I don't need or want integration into some ecosystem, I just want a small, inexpensive media player device. It could be that device. We'll see. (right now I'm bringing my notebook into the home cinema. Not a perfect solution because sometimes my wife wants to watch a movie while I'm away).

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  11. MacBook Air by hackertourist · · Score: 3, Informative

    The MacBook Air ..., have gone several years without notable changes

    Well, the notable change was that every Apple laptop is now effectively a MacBook Air. Soldered, nonupgradable RAM and SSD, crappy minimal-thickness keyboard, not enough ports.
    So what would be a notable change now is a MacBook Pro that is actually aimed at pro users.

    (typing this on a 2012 MBP that's festooned with upgrades, and may be my last Apple laptop if they keep going like this)

    1. Re:MacBook Air by buravirgil · · Score: 3, Informative

      Another 2012 MBP user with similar sentiment-- I upgraded from a DVD drive MBP specifically for a SSD and waited for years for...a touch bar? Fewer ports? Flawed OS upgrades? But did not abandon Apple for its appliances (tablets) for my mother and sibling because I believed appliances were a valid product line faithful to Apple's attention to leveraging a combination of hardware and software to achieve a better user's experience. I didn't expect Apple to abandon its laptops so completely. UNIX is too powerful a technology to trust to Apple's fictions of public relations after six years of patience. Dual booting a MBP was always a joy, one that has consistently and significantly diminished.

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    2. Re:MacBook Air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm also using a 2012 MBP for which I managed to update the battery for a third of the price requested by Apple to replace it. It's still going to be functional, I hope, for the next 3 years. After that, I'm going elsewhere.

    3. Re:MacBook Air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, there are plenty of ports on the Air they can remove. I look forward to them showing true courage and removing all of the ports.

    4. Re:MacBook Air by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Owch. That pretty well articulates my feelings on the matter better than I ever could.

  12. Software devs by DrYak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For the subcategory of software devs that run mainly on some other OS (Linux is also popular in the biomed research - mostly on workstations and servers/compute nodes. Windows is still king in some business settings and with gamedevs), but need to port and test code on Mac OS X (which is *also* popular in biomed research - mostly on on laptops, and some iMacs here and there).

    The only legal way to run a licensed OS X (even virtual image) is to run it on Apple hardware (though the license doesn't require it to be the host OS).
    Mac Minis are a cheap and simple way to have a legal way to test Mac OS X code, and use extra monitor inputs and/or console switch box and/or VNC to use the Mini alongside the regular workstation. (The expensive alternative way is to use an Apple workstation *as* your work horse)
    So being more capable would certainly be appreciated (e.g.: could be easier to run multiple VirtualBoxes with the various versions of Mac OS X you target in tests).

    But indeed, it's a very tiny subset of Apple's customers and that serie's intended user base.

    Mac Mini were mostly targeted as a "gateway drug to the Apple world" for average PC users (keep all your USB- and HDMI/Displayport- peripherals and only plug a cheap Mini to quickly check if the grass is indeed greener on the other side of the (walled garden's) fence).
    So being a cheap and light-weight machine is relevant for maybe 98% of its intended audience.
    Most of which won't be interested by beefier specs.

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    1. Re:Software devs by rl117 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I want one for exactly this purpose. I won't buy the current one because I refuse to pay full original price for thoroughly underwhelming and obsolete hardware. I'm hoping that they do release an update and that it will be reasonably specified. But I'm not looking for a "Pro" specification; I want a basic system to compile and test stuff. I already have a decent Ryzen 2700X system for Linux/BSD/Windows development, and I'd run MacOS X in a VM on that if it were legal and practical.

    2. Re:Software devs by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Neither Mac minis or any other Macs are in "Walled Gardens", you can install what ever you want.

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  13. That's so unbelievably great by grungeman · · Score: 1

    I think I just wet my pants.

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    1. Re:That's so unbelievably great by blindseer · · Score: 1

      You should probably talk to a physician about that, not post it on a technology blog.

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  14. It's meant to LOOK "professional". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't understand. Apple is a jewelry maker. It's jewelry for professionals. :)

    You know: The expensive watch, ... the humidor, ...the Mac ... the hot secretary under the table.

    It's the rims and the bling of the fatcat ghetto.

  15. In NY, not SF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's interesting that the event will be in New York, at the BAM (Brooklyn Academy of Music) Howard Gilman Opera House. I wonder if Apple decided not to have the event in San Francisco, because of the sh*t in San Francisco streets.

  16. Why abadon lightning port? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With so many accessories using lightning port, it would seem more logical to add a USB C port then replace the lightning port. Personally I would want mouse support so more apps can become more like their desktop counterparts. Otherwise I would buy a Surface Pro which supports full blown apps and mouse input or other input devices. If your going to call something "pro" Apple. It has to do a lot more then it does.

    1. Re:Why abadon lightning port? by blindseer · · Score: 1

      With so many accessories using lightning port, it would seem more logical to add a USB C port then replace the lightning port.

      Can you name a Lightning port accessory that does not already have a "made for mac" equivalent? USB-C has been the only port on Apple laptops for some time now and this has led to the creation of a large number of accessories for them, many made by Apple itself. The only thing I can think of that Apple does not make both a USB-C and Lightning version of a dongle is the audio adapter, and that's easily rectified with introducing such a dongle. This would likely be the last straw on having a 1/8" headphone port on laptops.

      Personally I would want mouse support so more apps can become more like their desktop counterparts. Otherwise I would buy a Surface Pro which supports full blown apps and mouse input or other input devices. If your going to call something "pro" Apple. It has to do a lot more then it does.

      If you want a laptop with a touch screen then buy one of those. If you want a tablet computer then get one of those. I don't see how the Surface Pro is superior than the Apple since it also lacks both a Lightning port and USB-C.

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    2. Re:Why abadon lightning port? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now apple gets to sell you more DONGLES!!!

    3. Re:Why abadon lightning port? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you want a laptop with a touch screen then buy one of those. If you want a tablet computer then get one of those. I don't see how the Surface Pro is superior than the Apple since it also lacks both a Lightning port and USB-C."

      Ok, it's obvious you love your Macs. I used to. Just do one thing for me:

      Defend the lack of a hardware Esc key. Defend having to wake up the damned Touch Bar so you can access the "soft" Esc key.
      Please, tell me how this was an improvement.

      And if you're feeling generous, then defend a second thing - the use of USB-C from the standpoint of "depth of engagement". If I have my 2016 MBP on my lap (it LOOKS like a laptop - wshaddaya mean I'm not supposed to use in on my lap, or any other soft surface?), I have to CONSTANTLY push in the USB-C connector so it does not disconnect. Good thing I'm only using it to charge, so no files are harmed. I pretty quickly learned not to use external drives on this thing, which killed about half of my uses for my "laptop".

  17. What about the Mac Pro keyboard ? by McCaskill · · Score: 1

    I hate the clicking keyboard on the Pro, and much prefer the feel of the Macbook Air. Why donâ(TM)t they give customers the option fir different keyboards. Plus the Pro has sometimes problems where it doesnâ(TM)t respond with some keys.

    1. Re: What about the Mac Pro keyboard ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your opinion on keyboards is immaterial, clicky keyboards are superior. Surrender NPC, you are bested.

    2. Re: What about the Mac Pro keyboard ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't they follow the example of the PET2001. Go with a cash register keyboard, at least it will be colored and fun.

    3. Re: What about the Mac Pro keyboard ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the PCjr. Chiclets rule!

    4. Re: What about the Mac Pro keyboard ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the PCjr. Chiclets rule!

      Cherry MX for life

  18. Not necessarily a port change by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The rumour is based off a software find, not a parts leak. Adding support for USB-C over lightning is far more likely than changing the port. If Apple were going to switch connectors I think the would lead with the iPhone to force peripheral manufacturers to switch first.

    1. Re:Not necessarily a port change by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      There's a reason for Apple to adopt the USB Type C connector on the iPad Pro: the extra data bandwidth needed to transmit Ultra HD video from the iPad itself. I wonder will Apple increase the RAM on the iPad to 6 GB for the 11" model and 8 GB for the 12.9" model.

    2. Re:Not necessarily a port change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The type-c connector has nothing to do with the speed. s

  19. Typical modern day Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They put together a very expensive piece of hardware but put their shitty toy iOS on it - and call it a "surface pro competitor". Their laptops are such toy trash now too

  20. e-waste by pablo_max · · Score: 1

    Personally, I am glad the EU is looking at mandating connectors. USB-C is clearly the best for most applications.
    Are there faster proprietary connections? Sure, but the amount of e-waste generated by all these stupid cables and chargers is just not OK anymore. It is just squandering resources. Especially since, while people love to pretend that they recycle these things, in reality, they don't. They toss it in the bin and then off to the landfill.
    This is especially true now that China is no longer accepting the worlds garbage.

    1. Re:e-waste by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Personally, I am glad the EU is looking at mandating connectors. USB-C is clearly the best for most applications.

      Government mandates are fine when they choose wisely, the problem is that such wise choices are the exception rather than the rule.

      I'd rather see the competing vendors in a given product space get together on certain standards without being coerced to do so by some government. Those of us in the USA might see the best of both worlds when China or EU mandate such standards since we see the products show up here with the low prices and such that comes with such mandates overseas but also the benefit of a vendor or group of vendors creating something better and being able to bring it to market here.

      USB-C might be fine now but there will inevitably come a time when it's not. These mandates are fine so long as they allow for an "out" without requiring some lengthy and expensive process to be rid of the mandate. Again, such wisdom from government is rare. This worked well this time but I'd rather not see the government dictating which technology I am allowed to use for any given application.

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    2. Re:e-waste by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Remember the micro-USB charging mandate?

      Amusingly, both of Apple’s proprietary charging standards have lasted longer than said mandate.

      USB-C is better for all applications? Go find me a locking USB-C port. I’ll wait. No? Hm. Perhaps DockPort may be better if you need it. (USB alternate mode lets you put DisplayPort signaling down a USB cable; DockPort lets you put USB signaling down a DisplayPort cable. Both let you send both data-streams simultaneously.)

      I’m inclined to give you that in most applications, it may be competitive with the best, but by mandating ports, you also have to use it in all the rest of the use cases. This means you may be stuck using an inferior connector. Sometimes, it won’t be fit for purpose, but will be crowbarred in there anyway. Other times, it causes stranded assets. Remember the shit-show that was micro-USB–3.0? Presumably it was designed in that godawful way to satisfy the micro-USB charging requirement.

      Hm. However If you think about this only in the context of ports developed by the USB-IF, then USB-C is pretty much the only one that isn’t fatally flawed. USB-A had alignment issues, USB-B was hated for no particularly good reason (bulky, presumably?), mini put the sprung component (read as: the wear part) in the expensive place, in the device, micro had issues with the tongue in the port snapping off, and the USB 3.0 ports were either only modest improvements, or in the case of micro, were just a hot mess.

      Having read that I’m no longer sanguine about mandating any port developed by the USB-IF. Perhaps we could agree on a common form factor, perhaps using magnetic attachment and pogo pins, and iterate on the signaling used over it? You could even use USB 3.1 signaling, which opens you up to basically whatever the hell you want to do with it. Or perhaps develop a technically compelling and license-free port, and mandate that?

      I’m meandering here, which should be clear by now. Think any of this holds water?

    3. Re:e-waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "USB-C is clearly the best for most applications."

      No. Sorry, no. Not for a portable device.

      To disconnect my lightning cable, I have to grasp it firmly and also pull firmly. Quite often the connector will slip through my fingers instead of disconnecting because I did not grasp it firmly enough. THIS is how a portable device's connector should work.
      USB-C? Breathe on that sucker and it pops out. Ok, it's not quite that bad, but that's not far from the truth. I have to CONSTANTLY push the connector back in on my MBP, especially as the engagement is so freakingly short. 1/16" (1 mm)? REALLY? And a connector that starts out a bit snug but rapidly loosens over time? BAD idea. BAD design. Put a connector on it with at least 1/8" (3 mm) engagement, that is also tighter, and I'd love it. But as loose and as easy to disconnect as the current ones are - What the hell were they thinking?

  21. Bloomberg uninvited from Apple's event by pjrc · · Score: 1

    I wonder if Bloomberg is publishing these long-swirrling rumors as a news article as a response to Apple uninviting them from the event next Tuesday?

    Presumably Apple uninvited them over their shoddy reporting of the fictitious hardware implants in Supermicro's motherboards and the unsubstantiated claim Apple data centers had been compromised.

  22. My Windows phone has USB-C by DogDude · · Score: 1

    My Windows Phone that's a few years old (Alcatel Idol 4S) is USB-C. Yay, Apple?

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    1. Re:My Windows phone has USB-C by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Did you buy your phone in 2012 because that's when Apple released the Lightning connector. Why didn't they use USB-C at the time? Other than the fact that USB - C wasn't released as a spec until 2014, it would have taken a bit of time travel to do that. Could they have switched to USB - C? Sure but how much would you have complained that Apple changed their connector if they did that after only a few years?

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    2. Re:My Windows phone has USB-C by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Remember how Steve Jobs described the 30-pin Dock Connector as having served them well for a decade, but that Lightning was the flexible, digital, software-defined connector for the next decade? This will make six years, which isn't too bad, but I'll be annoyed about all my Lightning speaker-docks. (Not too annoyed, though - they were all bought super-cheap.)

    3. Re: My Windows phone has USB-C by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I also remember people complained heavily when Apple switched to Lightning from 30-pin instead of USB because they had to buy new cables. Despite the fact that the only way USB could do what Lightning did at the time was to use the special 3.0 connectors which meant they had to buy new cables anyway.

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  23. Too late by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Too little, too late.

    My last ipad started dying, so I've already switched to a Galaxy Tab A. Same or better specs, at half the cost. ($205 online)

    2GB RAM, 32GB storage (the T580 international version)
    10.1" 1900 x 1280 screen (a bit bigger than the ipad)
    Bluetooth, NFC, etc etc
    And it comes with a normal micro-USB port, a normal headphone jack, and a memory-expansion micro-SD card slot (filled with a 64GB chip).

    All that for $200 (plus $15 for a 64GB sd card). A basic iPad Air with 32GB is going to be nearly double that.

    All in all, better than the ipad for less money, plus it's expandable and you can charge it from any USB port- no proprietary Apple cable required.

    The only downside is that there's no equivalent for the Zagg Rugged Book keyboard/case. It's the best keyboard/case combination in the world at any price as far as I'm concerned. Super rugged case, awesome keyboard, simply the best I've ever seen hands down.

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  24. I hope they compare Apples and Oranges... by Your+Average+Joe · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if they show how well the iPad/iPad Pro have sold since 2015 compared to the experiment at Microsoft called Surface. Let that sink in and the stock holders figure out where that 50billion in R&D went.... LOL

    For being so good at making business decisions in the 80's and 90's it shure look like Microsoft can't make something without wrecking it.

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  25. Who actually cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know ANYONE that uses these devices other more other than businesses as a cash register. Seriously.

  26. Slashdot classics by LtUoNXizqxawTj4ofx7t · · Score: 2

    So much hate. So much retardation.

    1. Re: Slashdot classics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So many facts, Apple fanfags heads explode

  27. Adapter for stylus by GoRK · · Score: 1

    So now you will need an adapter to charge the goddamn "it's not a stylus we would never do such a thing" stylus

  28. Re: USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    I thought the MB pro came wit 2 USB ports?

    Both the 13 and 15 inch MacBook Pros have FOUR USB-C/TB3 Ports. Those can be expanded to up to FIFTY-TWO "Legacy" Ports.

    Do that with ANY other laptop.

  29. Re: USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    Why would you need to? Most of those other laptops have fifty-two legacy ports built-in. :-D

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  30. Re: USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Why would you need to? Most of those other laptops have fifty-two legacy ports built-in. :-D

    Really? Name ONE.

  31. Re: USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4 ports and 52 devices?

    Why is it so bad? Each usb 3 \ type C Port can support up to 255 devices each theoretically, and 90-130 typically

  32. Re: USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why would anyone want to use the abomination that is macos?

  33. Re:Just give that bloody thing mouse support!! App by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OH No. That would cut into apple sagging laptop sales.

  34. Re: USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    HDMI. :-D

    Always be precise about what you're asking me to name.

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  35. Re: USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    HDMI. :-D

    Always be precise about what you're asking me to name.

    Just one of the FIFTY TWO (Simultaneous) Ports you can have with a USB-C/TB3 equipped MacBook Pro.

  36. Re: USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been using Macs for a couple of decades now, but they've lost me on the new stuff. I loved my 17-inch MBP, except for its USB2 ports. When it died, I bought a 2016 MBP, fully loaded. Ok machine, except:
    1 - the keyboard SUCKS.
    2 - The Touch Bar SUCKS. No hardware Esc key? What IDIOT thought that was a good idea? When I need the Esc key, I have to first touch the Touch Bar to wake it up, THEN I can press the Esc key. Stupid as hell.
    3 - USB-C SUCKS. Yes, it's wicked fast, yes, it's convenient you can use all four ports to charge the machine, BUT - what IDIOT thought that less than 1/16" (1 mm) engagement was a good idea on a connector on a portable computer? They CONSTANTLY come unplugged if you are computing on your lap. Not too bad if you're just charging, but if you have an external drive connected? Well, you constantly DON'T, is what happens. With its attendant file corruption and loss, I suppose. I don't use external drives any more, which seriously limits use of the damned machine. This WILL be my last Mac, unless they come out with one that fixes all these shortcomings.

  37. Re: USB-C? My GOD! Let's Call 'Er Done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because a lot of us prefer it to the abomination that is Windows, or the abomination that is Linux. Simple, really.
    If you don't like a particular OS, or actually, anything, just don't use it! But don't try to limit others' choices because of your preferences.
    I'm sure you wouldn't want it done to you.