Meanwhile Apple just got fined $10 million for degrading the performance of old devices with software updates. Along with $5 million for Samsung.
Yeah, by the same courts that fined Seismologists for an earthquake. And convicted a second person for a murder after they had already convicted a different one.
Apple has explained the rationale behind the "battery slowdowns", and has done several things to mitigate the "ill will" generated by their usual non-talkative nature. See my above post:
Then they'll just stop updating them. Heck, that's what Apple did with the iPhone 1 and the 3G, where each respective last-supported iOS version was released about 2 1/2 years after that iPhone's debut date. Certainly a safer alternative than getting sued for maintaining older hardware, and it still encourages consumers to replace their phones.
Wow, you aren't very creative. How about option E - give the user a setting you can toggle. Maybe even popup a message letting the user know the battery has degraded and give them the chance to decide whether to turn it on
But wait, what was I thinking. Giving Apple users a choice? I guess that really isn't an option
I cannot believe a sane person would actually be against this. Is there something wrong with you? Do you like not getting security updates? Do you want your phone hijacked?
Google Play is the one thing keeping malware from being worse than it already is. Unless there's an alternative app store that certifies that it thoroughly tests submitted apps, then I will grant them about as much trust as I would for free candy from Bill Cosby.
IMO Google hasn't gone nearly far enough. The rule should be simple. Security updates for at least 3 years for any android device you release to the public. Period. Don't like it? You are forbidden from using the Android trademark. Very simple.
Heaven forbid Google used their power for the public good.
Every time I have argued this, I was told that Android is Open Source, and thus Google couldn't FORCE the OEMs to do ANYTHING.
This ruling is proof-positive that Courts, by and large, (and definitely this Court) do not understand "Tech".
I don't know about Google; but in the case of Apple:
Apple explained what their "motivations" were (which was to provide the User with an OVERALL more RELIABLE experience). Court OBVIOUSLY didn't get it.
Many, many instances of people with NON-clock-speed-managed phones (both Apple AND Android) having their phones showing what appeared to be "plenty" of battery charge suddenly reboot due to a voltage-dip from a sudden spike in CPU/GPU load. Court OBVIOUSLY didn't understand batteries, physics, nor di/dt issues in digital electronics.
Apple has already explained and given the User the CHOICE to "live dangerously" (by electing to disable this part of power-management). Court OBVIOUSLY didn't understand this.
Apple has already mitigated the root-cause of the matter (battery-aging), which again, is a fact of PHYSICS, by offering low-cost battery replacements to ANY of the "affected" phones.
Apple has gone to great lengths to release a version of IOS that SPECIFICALLY (and quite frankly, dramatically) IMPROVES the overall PERFORMANCE of OLDER PHONES, not by removing any "slowdowns"; but by running-around and seeing where they could make individual processes more efficient, and also by decreasing the amount of "ramp up" time for clock-speed in response to greater loads. (one spec I saw took that ramp-up time from 450ms to 80ms. Those things add-up...)
Apple is now supporting SEVEN generations of the iPhone (and about 5 generations of iPad) with the latest version of IOS 12 (the same IOS 12 that specifically and vastly IMPROVES the performance of OLDER devices).
So, tell me: How was ANY of this "Anti-Consumer"? How was ANY of this "In furtherance of a plot to trick people into Upgrading unnecessarily?"
Funny that every single version of OS X/macOS since 10.5 (Leopard) has been a Certified Unix (something NO Linux will EVER be).
It is funny that OSX / MacOS seems to be the only OS that wants to be certified as another one. This is quite a strange thing to be proud of as a mac fanboi.
Who says they are the only ones that WANT to be Certified?
Becoming a 'certified UNIX' basically means paying a fee to The Open Group who own the Unix trademark.
I own a Unix license plate that I bought on the Open Group website about 15 years ago. It' so an authentic Unix license, from the company that owns the trademark.
Nice try.
If all it takes is a "Campaign Contribution", then why oh why hasn't ANY Linux, even the "serious" ones like RHEL, gone that route to have themselves declared "A Certified Unix"?
Well, people seem to think that the "cloud" equates to infallibility. Like the global YouTube outage last week there is nothing magical about the cloud. It's data centers and servers run by big tech companies that get billions for your personal data so they can collect more of your personal data.
On that note: It wouldn't surprise me if the outage is software. I've been using OS X since it was called NeXTStep, or NEXTSTEP, or NeXTSTEP. Whatever. It was a good operating system. When I had a PowerPC laptop running OS X I felt like I had a fantastic portable UNIX workstation.
Fast forward to the last time I used iOS: v12. It seemed painful, poorly designed, centered around media consumption and little else, but most of all: buggy. Very buggy. Buggy enough that I gave up on it (I'm back to a pure Linux desktop).
Apple's software culture has been going down hill. Steve Jobs wasn't a genius at running a company but it does seem that Tim Cook (basically an "optimization" guy) has caused them to stumble time and time again. If you don't like Apple check out Louis Rossman's YouTube channel for some great Apple rants too.
Funny that every single version of OS X/macOS since 10.5 (Leopard) has been a Certified Unix (something NO Linux will EVER be). Sounds like you are conflating macOS and iOS, too.
Oh, and speaking of which, iOS 12 is actually the best, most-performant (even on hardware SEVEN generations old!) version EVER. And it has ALWAYS run rings-around that Spyware-on-a-stick, Android.
So, Have fun with your toy OS with NO support nor real Development plan, and your Spyware-on-a-stick mobile "OS". Apple will still be here ready and waiting with macOS version 10.22 (Europa) and iOS 25 when you get tired of what's left of Linux after MS runs it into the ground, and after you have suffered identity theft through Android three or four more times...
I downloaded a flashlight app a while ago. It wanted access to every single feature on my phone, including my contacts and flash storage. All it does is turn the flash on. It's got adverts on it.
I don't use apps at all on my phone. I'm one of the very few people I know that use their phones for calling and texting. Even then I'm dubious about the bundled apps, many of which I can't even delete.
Sounds like you should migrate to the Other Side (iOS).
It's REALLY nice to NOT have to worry about all that shit (and, BTW, you CAN delete (not just HIDE) ALL, or nearly ALL, the intrinsic Apps on iOS).
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Italy are just the first ones to finish their case.
There's similar cases ongoing in France and USA.
Doesn't mean they'll have the same result.
Fuck off, Hater:
Get the hell out of here, cultist creep.
Isn't your new Apple e-meter app just waiting there for you to plug into it?
E-Meter? That's a good one!
Meanwhile Apple just got fined $10 million for degrading the performance of old devices with software updates. Along with $5 million for Samsung.
Yeah, by the same courts that fined Seismologists for an earthquake. And convicted a second person for a murder after they had already convicted a different one.
Its Closed Source. From Apple. And the iGadgets are known to send packets of encrypted data to Apple servers when linked to a wifi connection.
What's in the big packets? Who knows? It's encrypted.
You can trust Apple. You know you want to trust Apple. Just do it.
What "big packets?
Define "Big"
Define the frequency.
I'll wait.
Apparently STILL the only phone OEM STILL looking out for the USER'S Privacy...
Is that true?
Does anyone know how Pixel stands up against like tools?
Well, considering there isn't such a tool for Android phones, I'd say that is your answer.
Apparently STILL the only phone OEM STILL looking out for the USER'S Privacy...
Apparently you literally cannot even pay her to use a Samsung phone.
Perfect! Wish I'd thought of that!!!
now crack down on battery slow downs and error 53 BS!
God you're stupid! Do you work for the Italian Courts?
Error 53 was a mistake, and was quickly corrected by Apple:
https://techcrunch.com/2016/02...
Apple has explained the rationale behind the "battery slowdowns", and has done several things to mitigate the "ill will" generated by their usual non-talkative nature. See my above post:
https://apple.slashdot.org/com...
Any questions, Hater?
Then they'll just stop updating them. Heck, that's what Apple did with the iPhone 1 and the 3G, where each respective last-supported iOS version was released about 2 1/2 years after that iPhone's debut date. Certainly a safer alternative than getting sued for maintaining older hardware, and it still encourages consumers to replace their phones.
That was over a DECADE ago.
Let it go.
So, tell me: How was ANY of this "Anti-Consumer"? How was ANY of this "In furtherance of a plot to trick people into Upgrading unnecessarily?"
In Apple case, this wouldn't be a problem if the user could replace the battery. Batteries get old, let the users change it.
There are about a zillion YouTube videos on how to replace an iPhone battery. Funny how THOSE people can do it...
Apple hasn't GLUED batteries in for quite some time now. They use "releaseable" double-stick tape, like that 3M "Command" adhesive.
Afterall, the only reason those measures are there is to keep the battery from rattling around in the case.
Only stupid people like you think it is anti-consumer.
You are accidentally using your lawyer legalese in certain places and it gives away your paid bias.
Wish I was being paid.
Sorry, I am just stealing time from my employer, like the rest of us on Slashdot.
Hater.
Wow, you aren't very creative. How about option E - give the user a setting you can toggle. Maybe even popup a message letting the user know the battery has degraded and give them the chance to decide whether to turn it on
But wait, what was I thinking. Giving Apple users a choice? I guess that really isn't an option
Fuck off, Hater:
https://support.apple.com/en-u...
That has been there for nearly a YEAR. You might try READING before you make a fucking FOOL of yourself, moron.
Two whole years!
That's kinda how I thought, too.
Meanwhile, iOS 12 supports phones back to the 5s, which was released almost exactly 5 years ago.
Oh, and iOS 12 actually IMPROVES performance on that old hardware, too, as well as provides the latest security updates...
Google should be ashamed of itself.
I cannot believe a sane person would actually be against this. Is there something wrong with you? Do you like not getting security updates? Do you want your phone hijacked?
Google Play is the one thing keeping malware from being worse than it already is. Unless there's an alternative app store that certifies that it thoroughly tests submitted apps, then I will grant them about as much trust as I would for free candy from Bill Cosby.
IMO Google hasn't gone nearly far enough. The rule should be simple. Security updates for at least 3 years for any android device you release to the public. Period. Don't like it? You are forbidden from using the Android trademark. Very simple.
Heaven forbid Google used their power for the public good.
Every time I have argued this, I was told that Android is Open Source, and thus Google couldn't FORCE the OEMs to do ANYTHING.
Guess I was right after all...
Stupid Slashtards.
Five years? You want phone VPs to start flying coach? Fuck you!!!!
Works for the richest mobile phone OEM in the world...
That is all.
Man, makes you wonder how Microsoft Windows ever got off the ground; or Linux for that matter. All that old hardware they support somehow.
Their stuff doesn't ONLY run on batteries ALL the time, dumbass.
You are the most idiotic person on Slashdot.
You and ToughLove are made for each other.
In other news, EU finds that suing big companies makes a great money stream.
That was my first thought, too.
I would like to remind everyone that the Italian legal system is the same one that tried to put geologists in jail for an earthquake, and tried Amanda Knox for murder despite already convicting another person for that crime.
Let me know when another country reaches the same findings, because I don't have confidence in Italian courts.
Exactly.
The Italians are notoriously corrupt and quite frankly, a little stupid, when it comes to their politics and courts.
Not that they have a stranglehold on those problems, especially in these days of Trump; but they seem to have more experience at it...
If you really like your phone the way it is and are worried about slow downs, don't update. It's that simple.
More features == more bloat == slower than the previous software on the same hardware. This has been true since the dawn of computing.
Not in the case of IOS 12.
It actually runs (much!) FASTER than even the ORIGINAL iOS version on my iPhone 6 Plus.
Now what?
This ruling is proof-positive that Courts, by and large, (and definitely this Court) do not understand "Tech".
I don't know about Google; but in the case of Apple:
Apple explained what their "motivations" were (which was to provide the User with an OVERALL more RELIABLE experience). Court OBVIOUSLY didn't get it.
Many, many instances of people with NON-clock-speed-managed phones (both Apple AND Android) having their phones showing what appeared to be "plenty" of battery charge suddenly reboot due to a voltage-dip from a sudden spike in CPU/GPU load. Court OBVIOUSLY didn't understand batteries, physics, nor di/dt issues in digital electronics.
Apple has already explained and given the User the CHOICE to "live dangerously" (by electing to disable this part of power-management). Court OBVIOUSLY didn't understand this.
Apple has already mitigated the root-cause of the matter (battery-aging), which again, is a fact of PHYSICS, by offering low-cost battery replacements to ANY of the "affected" phones.
Apple has gone to great lengths to release a version of IOS that SPECIFICALLY (and quite frankly, dramatically) IMPROVES the overall PERFORMANCE of OLDER PHONES, not by removing any "slowdowns"; but by running-around and seeing where they could make individual processes more efficient, and also by decreasing the amount of "ramp up" time for clock-speed in response to greater loads. (one spec I saw took that ramp-up time from 450ms to 80ms. Those things add-up...)
Apple is now supporting SEVEN generations of the iPhone (and about 5 generations of iPad) with the latest version of IOS 12 (the same IOS 12 that specifically and vastly IMPROVES the performance of OLDER devices).
So, tell me: How was ANY of this "Anti-Consumer"? How was ANY of this "In furtherance of a plot to trick people into Upgrading unnecessarily?"
Funny that every single version of OS X/macOS since 10.5 (Leopard) has been a Certified Unix (something NO Linux will EVER be).
It is funny that OSX / MacOS seems to be the only OS that wants to be certified as another one. This is quite a strange thing to be proud of as a mac fanboi.
Who says they are the only ones that WANT to be Certified?
https://www.opengroup.org/open...
Why LIE about something that is so easily proven?
I know. You're "Certifiable" yourself. Only it's a different kind of "Certification"...
Becoming a 'certified UNIX' basically means paying a fee to The Open Group who own the Unix trademark.
I own a Unix license plate that I bought on the Open Group website about 15 years ago. It' so an authentic
Unix license, from the company that owns the trademark.
Nice try.
If all it takes is a "Campaign Contribution", then why oh why hasn't ANY Linux, even the "serious" ones like RHEL, gone that route to have themselves declared "A Certified Unix"?
You make NO sense. Liar.
Well, people seem to think that the "cloud" equates to infallibility. Like the global YouTube outage last week there is nothing magical about the cloud. It's data centers and servers run by big tech companies that get billions for your personal data so they can collect more of your personal data.
On that note: It wouldn't surprise me if the outage is software. I've been using OS X since it was called NeXTStep, or NEXTSTEP, or NeXTSTEP. Whatever. It was a good operating system. When I had a PowerPC laptop running OS X I felt like I had a fantastic portable UNIX workstation.
Fast forward to the last time I used iOS: v12. It seemed painful, poorly designed, centered around media consumption and little else, but most of all: buggy. Very buggy. Buggy enough that I gave up on it (I'm back to a pure Linux desktop).
Apple's software culture has been going down hill. Steve Jobs wasn't a genius at running a company but it does seem that Tim Cook (basically an "optimization" guy) has caused them to stumble time and time again. If you don't like Apple check out Louis Rossman's YouTube channel for some great Apple rants too.
Funny that every single version of OS X/macOS since 10.5 (Leopard) has been a Certified Unix (something NO Linux will EVER be). Sounds like you are conflating macOS and iOS, too.
Oh, and speaking of which, iOS 12 is actually the best, most-performant (even on hardware SEVEN generations old!) version EVER. And it has ALWAYS run rings-around that Spyware-on-a-stick, Android.
So, Have fun with your toy OS with NO support nor real Development plan, and your Spyware-on-a-stick mobile "OS". Apple will still be here ready and waiting with macOS version 10.22 (Europa) and iOS 25 when you get tired of what's left of Linux after MS runs it into the ground, and after you have suffered identity theft through Android three or four more times...
I downloaded a flashlight app a while ago. It wanted access to every single feature on my phone, including my contacts and flash storage. All it does is turn the flash on. It's got adverts on it.
I don't use apps at all on my phone. I'm one of the very few people I know that use their phones for calling and texting. Even then I'm dubious about the bundled apps, many of which I can't even delete.
Sounds like you should migrate to the Other Side (iOS).
It's REALLY nice to NOT have to worry about all that shit (and, BTW, you CAN delete (not just HIDE) ALL, or nearly ALL, the intrinsic Apps on iOS).