Google and Apple should disable auto-update on apps that change owners. If you want an update after the app has changed owners, you should at least be aware of the change, which would cut way down on this type of scam.
I don't know about Google, but on iOS, I personally have NEVER seen an App just "AutoUpdate". They ALL just gang-up WAITING to be MANUALLY Updated. I realize you CAN tell iOS to Auto-Update Apps (and who would?!?); but the default is WISELY "OFF", and you have to dig around in Settings to Enable it.
Kind of opposite. There's nothing to do during winter but drink and fuck. And while you can do both at once, it's generally not very productive at least on the male side with all the erection issues.
Yes, but sex in Finland occupies maybe five, six minutes, which still leaves 22 hours of darkness for drinking.
Only Apple can have such a huge workforce, yet be unable to knock out basic updates to what amount to bog standard PC's wrapped up in designer cases. What the heck are all those people doing in the Spaceship, or are they all concussed from running into glass walls?
Um, that's exactly what Apple DOESN'T do (unlike almost everyone else).
The Mac mini haven't been updated in four years. Where's the love, Apple?
If TFS wasn't so lame, you'd already know that the Event will ALSO focus on new Macs (likely a reimagined "Pro" Mac mini, and probably at least a Preview of the upcoming redesigned Mac Pro).
I base this guess off of nothing but an image and a headline that said something like "friend charging" that I didn't click on, but it might be the ability to charge one phone with another. So if you have 80% battery and your friend's phone is about to die, you can put them on top of one another and yours can charge his.
Reminds me of the term "Charging Up", as used on the Hulu series "Future Man"...
So you have a Chinese phone with hardware made to spy on you, hooked to an American Cell Service which will spy on you. Installed with Google Android where Google will spy on you.
Hopefully, like most of us, are not important enough for such places to really care about your data, and will probably just be deleted, except for Googles targeted ads.
Exactly. Why people fawn over people just because they died is mystifying. There are plenty of heros in the computing industry, but he wasn't one of them.
What is amazing is the stupidity and bullshit attitudes that are rampant on this site.
Meanwhile, over at Macrumors.com (which arguably shouldn't even give a care about Allen's life or death), the comments are universally those of heartfelt condolences.
We are all part African because that is were we originated. Yet if I claim to be an African American the liberals would be very offended. Elizabeth Warren has Native American Blood in the same way Aldolf Hitler has Jewish ancestry.
Why don't Americans worry about substantial shit like the fact China is kicking you ass six ways to Sunday, and you can't even control your own border
You DO realize, of course, that Adolf Hitler DOES have Jewish Ancestry. A fact that he jealously (and understandably) guarded.
Why is it that the best guys always die first? Ah no wait, in Apple's case that didn't happen.
Why are you turning a Tribute page into a platform for your Apple Hatred?
I despise MIcrosoft; but I would never say something like that, even upon Ballmer's demise!
And from what I have heard about Paul Allen, he was never a corporate shill for Microsoft, and in fact, reportedly even used Macs in his yacht-based private Recording Studio.
RIP, Mr. Allen. Your philanthropy and contributions to the Seattle Music and Art scene will be long remembered.
To my knowledge, they aren't. But if the replaced part had nothing to do with the new fault, then they can't say "hey somebody else has replaced part A, we are not touching it, the whole thing is contaminated now, even this part B, and out of warranty"
This came up in the early days of the Mac mini, which was ostensibly "sealed".
When people figured out how to open the case and upgrade the hard drive and/or memory, Apple issued a statement that said that doing so would NOT void the warranty, so long as you didn't damage anything in the process.
Now, no snarky comments about "At least they could upgrade..." That wasn't the point, and you all know it.
Don't get me wrong, I want my right to repair. however we need to realize repairing something today is different then it was in 1975
Exactly.
There is a VAST difference in the skill level required to diagnose and replace a shorted capacitor, burned resistor or even a busted transistor, and the equivalent skill needed to diagnose and REPLACE a 200-pin BGA SoC, or even a 128-lead LQFP packaged device.
At that point, even the authorized repair shops generally only do "board level" diagnosis and repair.
And since the cost of "being wrong" and replacing a whole board that turns out to NOT be the problem is so high, and the amount of labor you have to expend to replace that not-defective board is so onerous, at some point it just doesn't make sense to do it yourself.
When electronic gear went from vacuum-tubes to solid-state in the early 1960s, many consumer electronic devices had a warning label: "No User Serviceable Parts Inside". Which actually meant "No tubes to replace".
Was that anti-consumer, too? If so, I guess we need to go back and blame Dr. Shockley for co-inventing the transistor in 1947. After all, if it wasn't for the transistor, you'd still be able to replace the 12AX7 tubes in your iPhone, right?
By the way, piece of electronic trivia: Many schematics label Integrated Circuits with the prefix "U". Ever wonder what that "U" means?
It means "Unrepairable unit". That is, there is nothing inside that IC that can be repaired by less than extraordinary means. Again, it really means "No tubes inside".
But Whirlpool, Bissell, and other makers of Home Appliances are not necessarily "Electronics Companies". Sure, they make things with electronics IN them, but a washing machine is more than just a circuit board.
Try asking the following companies about their warranties: Dell Toshiba Samsung Apple Intel Vizio TCL JVC
Get back to me when you have the results...
The easiest solution is to just document the warranty violation, pay for the repair, and then send a certified letter to their HQ with care of "Legal Department".
Give them 30 days to respond.
When/if they ignore you simply open a case in small claims with the letter you sent, the violation of the warranty, and sit back. Most of the time, the company will just settle with you out of court for the cost of whatever you demand for the cost.
Yes it's a hassle and it sucks it has to come to this, but sometimes it's the only way.
Go ahead and do that, and sit back and watch as they completely ignore your "Defective Service", especially if you address your "letter" to "Legal Department".
And when you try to sue them for ignoring you, they will win; because you DIDN'T inform them correctly.
There are ways to properly inform a corporation that they are being sued, or about to be sued, and that ain't it.
Nobody is saying that Apple are not doing anything different from other companies. What they are say is that if they did it differently; that is make parts available at reasonable prices, then this scam/black market would evaporate almost overnight.
That is the scam/black market exists only because of Apples actions to stiff customers so hard to feel sorry for them.
Sorry to post two replies; but Slashdot is so retarded, I can't go back and edit my own words, like on nearly EVERY other Forum...
The problem with your "argument" is that it is a strawman: It does not address my original question of "How does this NOT damage Apple?". Instead, it IGNORES that, and instead posits that the DAMAGE is somehow JUSTIFIED.
That's bullshit, and nothing more than a rank anarchistic view. Ya know, the same one that says it's ok to pirate IP, because it's "not real property, and therefore, not theft".
Sorry. Once most people get out of their teens, they realize that that world-view is simply ridiculous.
Nobody is saying that Apple are not doing anything different from other companies. What they are say is that if they did it differently; that is make parts available at reasonable prices, then this scam/black market would evaporate almost overnight.
That is the scam/black market exists only because of Apples actions to stiff customers so hard to feel sorry for them.
Sorry, that's not what people are saying. In fact, you let the cat out of the bag with your statement:
"That is the scam/black market exists only because of Apples actions to stiff customers so hard to feel sorry for them".
To which I reply:
Take your car to the dealer for repairs and see what REAL parts-gouging looks like!
From the sound of it the scale here is pretty large, its not hard to imagine these aggregate into a few suppliers which sold in volume enough for independents to assume it was legitimate.
KNOWING that they are actually, REALLY Genuine Apple parts, AND KNOWING that Apple doesn't sell parts to independents?
1. The moisture sensors WERE "triggered"; so that was no lie. Oh, and it shows that the Genius did in fact open the unit up.
2. Apple Stores have never done much, if any, component-level diagnosis and repair. They run their diagnostic suite, and generally have a quick look-see; but they sure as hell don't get out the video microscope and peer at stuff at that level. Many, many companies don't do component level diagnosis and repair outside of their factory. And when you handle the sheer volume of repairs that any major tech company handles, even then, component-level diagnosis and repair is seldom practical, even for the manufacturer itself.
3. I wouldn't be surprised if that whole "independent tech" scene was a setup. I've repaired many an electronic device for a living, and that tech in the video zeroed-in on that conveniently (and unbelievably) "bent pin" just a LITTLE too quickly. And BTW, that would be a VERY unlikely field-failure...
Simple solution: log the serial # of the in-store replacement. If the returned phone is found to be tampered, remotely brick the replacement and void all warranty on it.
And then Apple would get even MORE hate from Slashtards.
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Google and Apple should disable auto-update on apps that change owners. If you want an update after the app has changed owners, you should at least be aware of the change, which would cut way down on this type of scam.
I don't know about Google, but on iOS, I personally have NEVER seen an App just "AutoUpdate". They ALL just gang-up WAITING to be MANUALLY Updated. I realize you CAN tell iOS to Auto-Update Apps (and who would?!?); but the default is WISELY "OFF", and you have to dig around in Settings to Enable it.
https://9to5mac.com/2013/09/20...
Perhaps on Android, either there IS no Setting, or the Default is IDIOTICALLY set to "Enabled"...
Ah, I see: Good ol' Google: Always looking-out for the User... NOT:
https://www.howtogeek.com/2022...
Maybe that's why this article DOESN'T include iOS Apps...
One more reason that Google, and by association, Android, is EVIL.
Yes, but sex in Finland occupies maybe five, six minutes, which still leaves 22 hours of darkness for drinking.
Wow!
So the Finns can last TWICE as long as Americans?
Must be all the Seafood...
But neither has my iPhone.
Only Apple can have such a huge workforce, yet be unable to knock out basic updates to what amount to bog standard PC's wrapped up in designer cases. What the heck are all those people doing in the Spaceship, or are they all concussed from running into glass walls?
Um, that's exactly what Apple DOESN'T do (unlike almost everyone else).
The Mac mini haven't been updated in four years. Where's the love, Apple?
If TFS wasn't so lame, you'd already know that the Event will ALSO focus on new Macs (likely a reimagined "Pro" Mac mini, and probably at least a Preview of the upcoming redesigned Mac Pro).
See:
https://www.macrumors.com/2018...
I can't wait till some hacker figures out how weak it actually is, and exploits the shit out of it to download celebrity porn.
Not likely to be weak.
And?
What else? Doesn't really do anything for anyone. You should already have your stuff backed up.
It's primarily to satisfy an EU(?) requirement that any data collected by a manufacturer be retrievable by the User.
I base this guess off of nothing but an image and a headline that said something like "friend charging" that I didn't click on, but it might be the ability to charge one phone with another. So if you have 80% battery and your friend's phone is about to die, you can put them on top of one another and yours can charge his.
Reminds me of the term "Charging Up", as used on the Hulu series "Future Man"...
Caution: DEFINITELY NSFW:
https://www.reddit.com/r/telev...
So you have a Chinese phone with hardware made to spy on you, hooked to an American Cell Service which will spy on you. Installed with Google Android where Google will spy on you.
Hopefully, like most of us, are not important enough for such places to really care about your data, and will probably just be deleted, except for Googles targeted ads.
Perfect analysis!
Exactly. Why people fawn over people just because they died is mystifying. There are plenty of heros in the computing industry, but he wasn't one of them.
What is amazing is the stupidity and bullshit attitudes that are rampant on this site.
Meanwhile, over at Macrumors.com (which arguably shouldn't even give a care about Allen's life or death), the comments are universally those of heartfelt condolences.
https://forums.macrumors.com/t...
You small-minded, entitled Slashtards all should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.
We are all part African because that is were we originated. Yet if I claim to be an African American the liberals would be very offended. Elizabeth Warren has Native American Blood in the same way Aldolf Hitler has Jewish ancestry.
Why don't Americans worry about substantial shit like the fact China is kicking you ass six ways to Sunday, and you can't even control your own border
You DO realize, of course, that Adolf Hitler DOES have Jewish Ancestry. A fact that he jealously (and understandably) guarded.
https://www.history.com/news/s...
Why is it that the best guys always die first? Ah no wait, in Apple's case that didn't happen.
Why are you turning a Tribute page into a platform for your Apple Hatred?
I despise MIcrosoft; but I would never say something like that, even upon Ballmer's demise!
And from what I have heard about Paul Allen, he was never a corporate shill for Microsoft, and in fact, reportedly even used Macs in his yacht-based private Recording Studio.
RIP, Mr. Allen. Your philanthropy and contributions to the Seattle Music and Art scene will be long remembered.
Well your answer sounds like the kind of answer YOU would give, but that's not any assurance that an Apple or I would answer my post that way.
You're right.
Frankly, Apple probably wouldn't have answered at all, given the sheer volume of mail they get every day.
So then what's the correct way?
It's a pretty jack ass thing to say it's wrong and not describe the correct way.
So enlighten us.
Google the term Registered Agent.
To my knowledge, they aren't. But if the replaced part had nothing to do with the new fault, then they can't say "hey somebody else has replaced part A, we are not touching it, the whole thing is contaminated now, even this part B, and out of warranty"
This came up in the early days of the Mac mini, which was ostensibly "sealed".
When people figured out how to open the case and upgrade the hard drive and/or memory, Apple issued a statement that said that doing so would NOT void the warranty, so long as you didn't damage anything in the process.
Now, no snarky comments about "At least they could upgrade..." That wasn't the point, and you all know it.
Don't get me wrong, I want my right to repair. however we need to realize repairing something today is different then it was in 1975
Exactly.
There is a VAST difference in the skill level required to diagnose and replace a shorted capacitor, burned resistor or even a busted transistor, and the equivalent skill needed to diagnose and REPLACE a 200-pin BGA SoC, or even a 128-lead LQFP packaged device.
At that point, even the authorized repair shops generally only do "board level" diagnosis and repair.
And since the cost of "being wrong" and replacing a whole board that turns out to NOT be the problem is so high, and the amount of labor you have to expend to replace that not-defective board is so onerous, at some point it just doesn't make sense to do it yourself.
When electronic gear went from vacuum-tubes to solid-state in the early 1960s, many consumer electronic devices had a warning label: "No User Serviceable Parts Inside". Which actually meant "No tubes to replace".
Was that anti-consumer, too? If so, I guess we need to go back and blame Dr. Shockley for co-inventing the transistor in 1947. After all, if it wasn't for the transistor, you'd still be able to replace the 12AX7 tubes in your iPhone, right?
By the way, piece of electronic trivia: Many schematics label Integrated Circuits with the prefix "U". Ever wonder what that "U" means?
It means "Unrepairable unit". That is, there is nothing inside that IC that can be repaired by less than extraordinary means. Again, it really means "No tubes inside".
But Whirlpool, Bissell, and other makers of Home Appliances are not necessarily "Electronics Companies". Sure, they make things with electronics IN them, but a washing machine is more than just a circuit board.
Try asking the following companies about their warranties:
Dell
Toshiba
Samsung
Apple
Intel
Vizio
TCL
JVC
Get back to me when you have the results...
The easiest solution is to just document the warranty violation, pay for the repair, and then send a certified letter to their HQ with care of "Legal Department".
Give them 30 days to respond.
When/if they ignore you simply open a case in small claims with the letter you sent, the violation of the warranty, and sit back. Most of the time, the company will just settle with you out of court for the cost of whatever you demand for the cost.
Yes it's a hassle and it sucks it has to come to this, but sometimes it's the only way.
Go ahead and do that, and sit back and watch as they completely ignore your "Defective Service", especially if you address your "letter" to "Legal Department".
And when you try to sue them for ignoring you, they will win; because you DIDN'T inform them correctly.
There are ways to properly inform a corporation that they are being sued, or about to be sued, and that ain't it.
Nobody is saying that Apple are not doing anything different from other companies. What they are say is that if they did it differently; that is make parts available at reasonable prices, then this scam/black market would evaporate almost overnight.
That is the scam/black market exists only because of Apples actions to stiff customers so hard to feel sorry for them.
Sorry to post two replies; but Slashdot is so retarded, I can't go back and edit my own words, like on nearly EVERY other Forum...
The problem with your "argument" is that it is a strawman: It does not address my original question of "How does this NOT damage Apple?". Instead, it IGNORES that, and instead posits that the DAMAGE is somehow JUSTIFIED.
That's bullshit, and nothing more than a rank anarchistic view. Ya know, the same one that says it's ok to pirate IP, because it's "not real property, and therefore, not theft".
Sorry. Once most people get out of their teens, they realize that that world-view is simply ridiculous.
STFU Troll
No one cares about whatever boring crap apple will pull out of its ass and try and call "original content"
And they care even LESS about what some ANONYMOUS COWARD sez.
FOAD.
Nobody is saying that Apple are not doing anything different from other companies. What they are say is that if they did it differently; that is make parts available at reasonable prices, then this scam/black market would evaporate almost overnight.
That is the scam/black market exists only because of Apples actions to stiff customers so hard to feel sorry for them.
Sorry, that's not what people are saying. In fact, you let the cat out of the bag with your statement:
"That is the scam/black market exists only because of Apples actions to stiff customers so hard to feel sorry for them".
To which I reply:
Take your car to the dealer for repairs and see what REAL parts-gouging looks like!
price of content free
price of service 50 a month or more
price of iphone 2000 dollars
look on users face after paying : PRICELESS
What Service are you talking about?
And an Apple TV box is only $149, not $2000.
Stop with the Hate.
>> ...and subscription "channels" which will allow customers to sign up for online-only services, such as those from HBO and Starz
Congratulations...you invented the "Smart TV".
But it's an iPhone and/or AppleTV, so it's just like a Vizio...only smaller...and more expensive.
Nope, sorry. This is Apple-original content.
And the Appie TV is a set-top streaming box. It uses your TV screen.
Do try to keep up. It's only the 5th generation of Apple TV...
From the sound of it the scale here is pretty large, its not hard to imagine these aggregate into a few suppliers which sold in volume enough for independents to assume it was legitimate.
KNOWING that they are actually, REALLY Genuine Apple parts, AND KNOWING that Apple doesn't sell parts to independents?
Sorry. Unpossible.
Here's a video by CBC news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
1. The moisture sensors WERE "triggered"; so that was no lie. Oh, and it shows that the Genius did in fact open the unit up.
2. Apple Stores have never done much, if any, component-level diagnosis and repair. They run their diagnostic suite, and generally have a quick look-see; but they sure as hell don't get out the video microscope and peer at stuff at that level. Many, many companies don't do component level diagnosis and repair outside of their factory. And when you handle the sheer volume of repairs that any major tech company handles, even then, component-level diagnosis and repair is seldom practical, even for the manufacturer itself.
3. I wouldn't be surprised if that whole "independent tech" scene was a setup. I've repaired many an electronic device for a living, and that tech in the video zeroed-in on that conveniently (and unbelievably) "bent pin" just a LITTLE too quickly. And BTW, that would be a VERY unlikely field-failure...
Simple solution: log the serial # of the in-store replacement. If the returned phone is found to be tampered, remotely brick the replacement and void all warranty on it.
And then Apple would get even MORE hate from Slashtards.