Benchmarks for iPhones always talk about "real world performance", but rarely factor in that software can't run at full-speed on an iPhone for very long before thermal management kicks in and throttles the speeds down. This fact alone makes comparisons to laptop and desktop CPUs virtually worthless.
Prove it.
And, while you're at it; prove that Android phones don't do the same thing. Considering the voracious appetite for battery that the Qualcomm SoC crap demonstrates, I would imagine that thermal issues would be MUCH worse in those phones...
A matter of opinion here, but I've always liked Android's stock UI better. Besides, if you want something different, you can just install a launcher. This sort of flexibility is a big plus for Android.
...I hope that it makes up for the 700,000 Malware-filled Apps that Google found on the Play Store...
has been is that they are thermally constrained and achieve these remarkable results when its starts cold. As soon it heats up the processors starts throttling and doesn't do well compared to Qualcomm, Exynos etc. This is why it does well on Geekbench benchmarks but not so well in some of the other benchmarks.
So what's up with the shouting? Makes it sound like a lie.
I use capitalization for EMPHASIS, not SHOUTING. I'm just too lazy to type in ridiculous HTML style tags, just because Slashdot is too lazy to implement a Rich Text Editor, like nearly EVERY other "Forum" site on the fucking PLANET.
RF engineer here. Apple doesn’t seem to be very good at RF engineering, which usually dictates function over form. The antenna gate was a mess, they have lousy antenna placement in their laptops, and now this.
So why don'tcha go to work for them and show 'em how it's done, genius?
My guess? He'd rather work for a company that will actually listen to an engineer over a designer when they say a design choice will result in poor functionality. So, not Apple.
This WHOLE article is nothing more than FUD. We're literally talking about a product still in the DEVELOPMENT phase!!!
Anyone who has ever developed ANYTHING knows that there are challenges along the way. You work through them, or decide that the project isn't feasible. Period.
Exactly. This is only about a product which was announced last year, but never came out. It's a year later and all mentions of it disappeared.
Why? Who the heck knows. Maybe Apple was working on it, and decided that really, they can't sell the things at a premium over everyone else so why continue development? It's like their routers - they decided to abandon selling their routers and such because really, the market is saturated with hundreds of other routers.
Apple sells product in one of two ways. One, if it can offer such a differentiator that people want it (products like iPhone and iPod and Macs, for example), or if they see a market that's commodity but there's a niche Apple can fit in. WiFi Routers (back when they were rare) and monitors (when 24" and 30" monitors were basically nonexistent) are such markets. The problem is that the niche often fills in afterwards - WiFi routers and equipment are everywhere now and Apple's advantages are minimal. Ditto monitors - large monitors are common so why continue building into a niche that's filled in?
Looks like the charging pad may be a victim of everyone else doing the same thing.
That's a pretty accurate analysis, IMHO. Kudos!
But I STILL wish they'd stayed in the Router business; since they seem to be able to produce the most STABLE Routers on the Planet.
As for the Wireless charging pad, It's a big "meh" for me.
Have you even BOTHERED to look at the innovation that IS there?
1. Most advanced facial recognition in a mobile device.
2. Smartwatch with built-in FDA-APPROVED ECG.
I'll give you those two, though neither is something that I care about, even slightly. For me, the fingerprint readers were much easier to use (i.e. that's a step backwards, not forwards), and smartwatches are an expensive toy with minimal actual utility.
3. 64 bit Homegrown SoCs (with Homegrown GPUs) that are hands-down best-in-class.
4. Augmented Reality that isn't a joke.
Incremental improvements to the state of the art are not innovation.
5. Laptops with the most amount of I/O expandability on the Planet.
Are we talking about the laptops that have only USB-C and dropped all other I/O, including things that a lot of pros use, like the SD card slots, forcing people to put the reliability of their machines at risk by permanently carrying them around with a dock attached? I would argue that the only reason Apple has more "expandability" is because they've dropped nearly all actual I/O, resulting in a laptop that requires piles of clumsy dongles and crap just to be able to use it in ways that the old machines could do out of the box. If that's innovation, then I'd like a much *less* "innovative" Apple, thank you very much. If they innovate much more like that, I'm going to need a second laptop bag just to carry all the dongles. (I often have to use a setup involving a Thunderbolt-2-to-Thunderbolt adapter chained to a Thunderbolt-to-FireWire-800 adapter chained to a FireWire-800-to-FireWire-400 adapter. This is *not* pleasant.)
6. A mobile OS that specifically (and markedly!) IMPROVES the performance of OLDER Devices.
Again, minor incremental improvements, not innovation.
I honestly thought you were smart-enough to not fall for the "It doesn't matter to me; so it shouldn't matter to anyone." argument. But apparently not. Case in point: When the AppleWatch 4 came out a few days ago, even the generally Apple-Hating Slashdot crowd was complimenting Apple for the INNOVATION.
Same thing with FaceID: You like TouchID better; so everyone else should, too...
I have an iPhone 6, and although I haven't installed iOS 12 yet, I can tell you that the speed-improvements in iOS 11.4.1 are quite real, and quite noticeable. Call that "incremental improvements" all you want; it no doubt took some innovate re-design of the OS to accomplish those speedups.
And now we come to the bullshit "DongleGate" meme. There is SO much wrong with what you are saying, I really don't know where to start. But here's some thoughts:
1. NO one walks around with a Dock attached to their laptop. That's just silly.
2. If you need more than one multipart USB-C dock, then NO other Laptop would be able to meet your I/O needs "out of the box". And yet, the MacBook would still have THREE more USB-C/TB3 ports available!
3. NO one walks around with a bag-full of "Dongles" (Adapters). Most have a Dock, and maybe one or two Adapters for odd stuff...
4. I'll ALMOST give you the FireWire thing, until you started to gild the lilly by creating a ridiculously unnecessary chain of Adapters. ALL you need (which I still find annoying!) is an Apple TB3 -> TB2 Adapter, then an Apple TB2 -> FireWire 800 Adapter chained onto that. That is TWO Adapters daisy-chained, and is actually an Apple-Approved configuration. That combo of Adapters will cost you $60 if you can't find them cheaper. From there, you can get to FW 400 with a cable or passive adapter, just like has been necessary for about the last DECADE. Or, you can buy the OWC 13-Port TB3 Dock, which HAS a FW800 port on it. But it is pretty expensive. But if you need FW for a Pro application, its price is well worth it.
5. Getting from USB-C to USB-A is stupid-simple. A $2 passive Adapter that simply snap
It never made sense to me why you want to have a wireless charger that needs plugged in that delivers less power less efficiently than just plugging the wire into the phone and skipping a step.
In this case, there were two reasons: 1) we wanted a 100% sealed case, no ports or anything, and 2) our target audience was the disabled community, who may not have the dexterity (or, in some cases, any hands at all) to make a cabled connection.
It never made sense to me why you want to have a wireless charger that needs plugged in that delivers less power less efficiently than just plugging the wire into the phone and skipping a step.
In addition to the issues you very eloquently described is also the problem of the process and mat heating up the handset. Lithium Ion batteries are particularly susceptible to heat and Apple doesnâ(TM)t need more people complaining about shortened battery life because their chargers are cooking their phones.
I believe that is one of the issues that is making Apple rethink the current design.
I wonder how can be safe to have something like a radio frequency emitter strong enough to induce usable current in a coil (which is the operating principle of a transformer) leaning against a delicate electronic device (the cell phone).
Screw the phone, how safe can it be to have a 20W (ok, 18W in the GP) directional RF transmitter in your house, likely on your bedside stand, likely aimed exactly so it is irradiating you for 8 hours per day as you sleep? Not something I'd want.
What I "like" are the people on here that say "I want WHOLE-ROOM Wireless Charging"(!!!) Sure, turn my bedroom into the INSIDE of a Microwave Oven. That will make me sleep peacefully...
Oh, and while we were delivering about 2 W of charge power to the Li-Ion battery, the mat was drawing about 18 W from the wall. Even when the device wasn't present and not charging, the mat drew 10 W. This experience has made me highly skeptical of the prospect of widespread wireless charging anytime soon.
Exactly. There is CERTAINLY nothing "Green" about Wireless Charging!
In fact, I would imagine that Apple was dragged-into this simply because they were getting beat-up in the tech press because they didn't support it and their major competitors did (however poorly).
I wonder if Apple should consider spinning off divisions (similar to FileMaker), so the company can solely focus on gadgets. That way, Macs get a dedicated company with engineering teams keeping those products refreshed and up to date, as opposed to letting models languish for many years.
What would be nice is a spin-off company dedicated for everyday computing. In the past, one could have everything they worked on done by Apple, be it the router, printer, external hard drives, and so on. Apple also had applications, so for a lot of things, a user just needed one number to call should something break, no trying to figure out if it is the hardware/app vendor/OS vendor's fault. This company would focus on Macs, headless NAS devices, routers, printers, and stuff that may not be glitzy, but used at home or the office. It also would be more enterprise friendly, offering known product release cycles (given the NDA, of course). By separating it from Apple, it can be a predictable company. It may not have the crazy profits that iDevices have, but it would be something that will always bring in revenue, especially if Apple created (or rebranded) some cloud solutions for offsite backups, virtualization, mail, and directory services.
They are big enough to handle both simultaneously. Besides, like the CPU design center they just opened in Seattle(?), they just "spin off" their specific teams into another set of offices. MUCH better than ending up competing with yourself.
You're not looking at the big picture! The fan will be modulated to produce the amazing, courageous iSoothe white noise for sleeping. It's a freaking miracle!
Earth to idiot:
Apple dropped the "i" prefix thing even BEFORE Jobs died.
Don'tcha think it's time to RETIRE that particular meme?
RF engineer here. Apple doesn’t seem to be very good at RF engineering, which usually dictates function over form. The antenna gate was a mess, they have lousy antenna placement in their laptops, and now this.
So why don'tcha go to work for them and show 'em how it's done, genius?
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And even more fail with a childish, playground level response. Impressive!
I figured he would at least UNDERSTAND that level of retort.
Why waste a perfectly-good erudite response on a blithering Hater?
Benchmarks for iPhones always talk about "real world performance", but rarely factor in that software can't run at full-speed on an iPhone for very long before thermal management kicks in and throttles the speeds down. This fact alone makes comparisons to laptop and desktop CPUs virtually worthless.
Prove it.
And, while you're at it; prove that Android phones don't do the same thing. Considering the voracious appetite for battery that the Qualcomm SoC crap demonstrates, I would imagine that thermal issues would be MUCH worse in those phones...
As the phone does not include a headphone jack it is restricted to low quality wireless audio.
Really? Did someone remove the Lightning port while I wasn't looking?
Idiot.
A matter of opinion here, but I've always liked Android's stock UI better. Besides, if you want something different, you can just install a launcher. This sort of flexibility is a big plus for Android.
...I hope that it makes up for the 700,000 Malware-filled Apps that Google found on the Play Store...
has been is that they are thermally constrained and achieve these remarkable results when its starts cold. As soon it heats up the processors starts throttling and doesn't do well compared to Qualcomm, Exynos etc.
This is why it does well on Geekbench benchmarks but not so well in some of the other benchmarks.
Prove it, or STFU
Why refute it? When the phone's this overpriced, I expect that level of performance. And maybe plated in silver too.
But Samsung makes phones that are even PRICIER than the iPhone, and yet their performance is Pants.
Qualcomm should stick to their core competence: RF.
Now what?
And you know that - how?
Because they haven't named a new product "i" Anything since the iPad. That's nearly a DECADE ago.
AppleTV. No "i"
AppleWatch. No "i"
Plus, we haven't had an "i"Book since the switch to Intel. After that, it was all "MacBook" and "MacBook Pro".
Same thing with their Software Products. IIRC, the last "i" Software was iWork, WELL over 10 years ago.
Hahahahaha, fail.
Yes. Yes, you are.
Apple products kill people.
What did he do? He sure as HELL didn't get that on the OUTPUT side! It only produces 24 VAC. Barely enough for a good tingle.
You're an iTard.
I suppose that richly deserves the response:
"I know you are, but what am I?"
So what's up with the shouting? Makes it sound like a lie.
I use capitalization for EMPHASIS, not SHOUTING. I'm just too lazy to type in ridiculous HTML style tags, just because Slashdot is too lazy to implement a Rich Text Editor, like nearly EVERY other "Forum" site on the fucking PLANET.
RF engineer here. Apple doesn’t seem to be very good at RF engineering, which usually dictates function over form. The antenna gate was a mess, they have lousy antenna placement in their laptops, and now this.
So why don'tcha go to work for them and show 'em how it's done, genius?
My guess? He'd rather work for a company that will actually listen to an engineer over a designer when they say a design choice will result in poor functionality. So, not Apple.
And he needs YOU to "defend" him?
You mean I cannot buy an iPad or iPhone or iMac any more? They are just called Pad, phone and Mac?
LOL, nice try!
If they were introduced today, they for SURE wouldn't have the "i" Prefix.
Exactly. This is only about a product which was announced last year, but never came out. It's a year later and all mentions of it disappeared.
Why? Who the heck knows. Maybe Apple was working on it, and decided that really, they can't sell the things at a premium over everyone else so why continue development? It's like their routers - they decided to abandon selling their routers and such because really, the market is saturated with hundreds of other routers.
Apple sells product in one of two ways. One, if it can offer such a differentiator that people want it (products like iPhone and iPod and Macs, for example), or if they see a market that's commodity but there's a niche Apple can fit in. WiFi Routers (back when they were rare) and monitors (when 24" and 30" monitors were basically nonexistent) are such markets. The problem is that the niche often fills in afterwards - WiFi routers and equipment are everywhere now and Apple's advantages are minimal. Ditto monitors - large monitors are common so why continue building into a niche that's filled in?
Looks like the charging pad may be a victim of everyone else doing the same thing.
That's a pretty accurate analysis, IMHO. Kudos!
But I STILL wish they'd stayed in the Router business; since they seem to be able to produce the most STABLE Routers on the Planet.
As for the Wireless charging pad, It's a big "meh" for me.
Have you even BOTHERED to look at the innovation that IS there?
1. Most advanced facial recognition in a mobile device.
2. Smartwatch with built-in FDA-APPROVED ECG.
I'll give you those two, though neither is something that I care about, even slightly. For me, the fingerprint readers were much easier to use (i.e. that's a step backwards, not forwards), and smartwatches are an expensive toy with minimal actual utility.
3. 64 bit Homegrown SoCs (with Homegrown GPUs) that are hands-down best-in-class.
4. Augmented Reality that isn't a joke.
Incremental improvements to the state of the art are not innovation.
5. Laptops with the most amount of I/O expandability on the Planet.
Are we talking about the laptops that have only USB-C and dropped all other I/O, including things that a lot of pros use, like the SD card slots, forcing people to put the reliability of their machines at risk by permanently carrying them around with a dock attached? I would argue that the only reason Apple has more "expandability" is because they've dropped nearly all actual I/O, resulting in a laptop that requires piles of clumsy dongles and crap just to be able to use it in ways that the old machines could do out of the box. If that's innovation, then I'd like a much *less* "innovative" Apple, thank you very much. If they innovate much more like that, I'm going to need a second laptop bag just to carry all the dongles. (I often have to use a setup involving a Thunderbolt-2-to-Thunderbolt adapter chained to a Thunderbolt-to-FireWire-800 adapter chained to a FireWire-800-to-FireWire-400 adapter. This is *not* pleasant.)
6. A mobile OS that specifically (and markedly!) IMPROVES the performance of OLDER Devices.
Again, minor incremental improvements, not innovation.
I honestly thought you were smart-enough to not fall for the "It doesn't matter to me; so it shouldn't matter to anyone." argument. But apparently not. Case in point: When the AppleWatch 4 came out a few days ago, even the generally Apple-Hating Slashdot crowd was complimenting Apple for the INNOVATION.
Same thing with FaceID: You like TouchID better; so everyone else should, too...
I have an iPhone 6, and although I haven't installed iOS 12 yet, I can tell you that the speed-improvements in iOS 11.4.1 are quite real, and quite noticeable. Call that "incremental improvements" all you want; it no doubt took some innovate re-design of the OS to accomplish those speedups.
And now we come to the bullshit "DongleGate" meme. There is SO much wrong with what you are saying, I really don't know where to start. But here's some thoughts:
1. NO one walks around with a Dock attached to their laptop. That's just silly.
2. If you need more than one multipart USB-C dock, then NO other Laptop would be able to meet your I/O needs "out of the box". And yet, the MacBook would still have THREE more USB-C/TB3 ports available!
3. NO one walks around with a bag-full of "Dongles" (Adapters). Most have a Dock, and maybe one or two Adapters for odd stuff...
4. I'll ALMOST give you the FireWire thing, until you started to gild the lilly by creating a ridiculously unnecessary chain of Adapters. ALL you need (which I still find annoying!) is an Apple TB3 -> TB2 Adapter, then an Apple TB2 -> FireWire 800 Adapter chained onto that. That is TWO Adapters daisy-chained, and is actually an Apple-Approved configuration. That combo of Adapters will cost you $60 if you can't find them cheaper. From there, you can get to FW 400 with a cable or passive adapter, just like has been necessary for about the last DECADE. Or, you can buy the OWC 13-Port TB3 Dock, which HAS a FW800 port on it. But it is pretty expensive. But if you need FW for a Pro application, its price is well worth it.
5. Getting from USB-C to USB-A is stupid-simple. A $2 passive Adapter that simply snap
In this case, there were two reasons: 1) we wanted a 100% sealed case, no ports or anything, and 2) our target audience was the disabled community, who may not have the dexterity (or, in some cases, any hands at all) to make a cabled connection.
Well, when you put it THAT way...
It never made sense to me why you want to have a wireless charger that needs plugged in that delivers less power less efficiently than just plugging the wire into the phone and skipping a step.
Exactly.
In addition to the issues you very eloquently described is also the problem of the process and mat heating up the handset. Lithium Ion batteries are particularly susceptible to heat and Apple doesnâ(TM)t need more people complaining about shortened battery life because their chargers are cooking their phones.
I believe that is one of the issues that is making Apple rethink the current design.
I wonder how can be safe to have something like a radio frequency emitter strong enough to induce usable current in a coil (which is the operating principle of a transformer) leaning against a delicate electronic device (the cell phone).
Screw the phone, how safe can it be to have a 20W (ok, 18W in the GP) directional RF transmitter in your house, likely on your bedside stand, likely aimed exactly so it is irradiating you for 8 hours per day as you sleep? Not something I'd want.
What I "like" are the people on here that say "I want WHOLE-ROOM Wireless Charging"(!!!) Sure, turn my bedroom into the INSIDE of a Microwave Oven. That will make me sleep peacefully...
Oh, and while we were delivering about 2 W of charge power to the Li-Ion battery, the mat was drawing about 18 W from the wall. Even when the device wasn't present and not charging, the mat drew 10 W. This experience has made me highly skeptical of the prospect of widespread wireless charging anytime soon.
Exactly. There is CERTAINLY nothing "Green" about Wireless Charging!
In fact, I would imagine that Apple was dragged-into this simply because they were getting beat-up in the tech press because they didn't support it and their major competitors did (however poorly).
Apple-disciples are used to pay a lot. Just add a chiller to cool it and make the thing $1000 or so.
Just because YOU are too poor to afford anything nice,doesn't mean that's the case with the rest of the world.
I wonder if Apple should consider spinning off divisions (similar to FileMaker), so the company can solely focus on gadgets. That way, Macs get a dedicated company with engineering teams keeping those products refreshed and up to date, as opposed to letting models languish for many years.
What would be nice is a spin-off company dedicated for everyday computing. In the past, one could have everything they worked on done by Apple, be it the router, printer, external hard drives, and so on. Apple also had applications, so for a lot of things, a user just needed one number to call should something break, no trying to figure out if it is the hardware/app vendor/OS vendor's fault. This company would focus on Macs, headless NAS devices, routers, printers, and stuff that may not be glitzy, but used at home or the office. It also would be more enterprise friendly, offering known product release cycles (given the NDA, of course). By separating it from Apple, it can be a predictable company. It may not have the crazy profits that iDevices have, but it would be something that will always bring in revenue, especially if Apple created (or rebranded) some cloud solutions for offsite backups, virtualization, mail, and directory services.
They are big enough to handle both simultaneously. Besides, like the CPU design center they just opened in Seattle(?), they just "spin off" their specific teams into another set of offices. MUCH better than ending up competing with yourself.
You're not looking at the big picture! The fan will be modulated to produce the amazing, courageous iSoothe white noise for sleeping. It's a freaking miracle!
Earth to idiot:
Apple dropped the "i" prefix thing even BEFORE Jobs died.
Don'tcha think it's time to RETIRE that particular meme?
RF engineer here. Apple doesn’t seem to be very good at RF engineering, which usually dictates function over form. The antenna gate was a mess, they have lousy antenna placement in their laptops, and now this.
So why don'tcha go to work for them and show 'em how it's done, genius?
Rather incredible that Apple didn't catch this in beta testing.
Did you even RTFS ?
No, ToughLove is actually one of the more illiterate idiots on here.