And since he's complaining about ACs all the time. He will realize that only accounts can mod. So actual logged in users are modding his lies down.
I NEVER said those ACs weren't actually Logged-In USERS. They just "Post Anonymously" when they want to DEFAME someone, and then turn around and MOD under their LOGIN.
In the PPC days, Apple computers would be a long term investment, and I've seen some of those machines last more than a decade. Once they switched to Intel, they were the Gateway Computers of the modern PC market. Shoddy hardware.
You're full of shit. A friend of mine just replaced his 2009 Intel iMac with a 2017 version last summer. The 2009 version is still working fine; he just moved it into a "Secondary computer" role.
About a week ago, I just helped replace his Wife's 2006 Intel Mac mini with the new 2018 model. It was also working fine; but she wanted one that was faster and that could run the latest version of macOS.
I have another friend with a 2006 Intel Mac mini which I think she is still using.
NONE of them have EVER had a failure of those systems.
We don't believe you, you are a lying faggot Apple shill. Post your real name and address or stfu. Gerald did it, you won't tho cuz you are too pussy.
Pussy boy.
So sez the
ANONYMOUS
COWARD.
I don't even know who this "Gerald" is, you dumbfuck Slashtard. Login and fight like a man!
How many tens of thousands of lines of C and Assembler and other languages code would I have to post to prove at least the software side of my claims?
The answer is "Infinity"; because you would always come back with some snarky remark, or continue to move the goalposts.
FOAD. I know what I have done. I'm frickin' over 60 years old, and still employed full-time doing (unfortunately, Windows) Software Development. When I started making money with microcontrollers, the term "Embedded Development" hadn't even been INVENTED yet!
Congrats, that is just your style. The rest of the Apple cult is not like you, but willya try again next time?
Funny. It's JUST like the other Apple-owning people I know.
One just bought an iMac in 2017 to replace his 2009 iMac, which he uses for his Architectural Consulting business (he is 87 y/o BTW). His MacBook Pro is also from around 2011, IIRC. His wife just replaced her 2009 Mac mini with the new 2018 model. Their iPhones are a few generations old (can't remember how old), and his iPad is at least 3 years old.
Another just replaced her 2011 MacBook Pro with a 2017 version. I'm pretty sure she has an Android phone because she is on some sort of family plan with her husband. Husband is a Windows user.
Another friend has a frickin' Titanium POWERBOOK, and an iPhone 4 (may have upgraded that last year). His wife has a 2009 Mac mini (first Intel version).
In fact, I really have NEVER known one of these MYTHICAL "Gotta Have the New Shiny" Apple Users Slashtards keep yapping about. Wonder where they all are???
Wow, you seem angry. My wife and I had iPhones and tried doing that(granted a few generations ago, so may be better),but that didn't work for us. After having the phones erase and redownload stuff from the other phone, we stopped trying. I had two apples geniuses try to get it to work and they were baffled. It should just work, but it didn't.
So, go fuck yourself. Sometimes it doesn't just work.
Sorry. It HAS to work.
One macOS User shares VERY LITTLE with another, especially when it comes to DATA in the User's Home Directory (like iTunes Settings and Media).
Post your real name or STFU, because you and I are no different.
Wrong.
I've got my Slashdot "reputation" (Karma score) on the line; while ACs can (and DO) say ANY FUCKING THING that comes into their little peabrains, WITHOUT FEAR OF REPRISAL.
LOL. Ahhhh I figured I'd see you here letting Apple off the hook.
Never apples fault amiright?
Generally, a Benchmark is measuring CPU and/or GPU speed rather directly. Therefore, the final arbiter of speed is the speed of that particular CPU and/or GPU. I would expect a Windows or Linux system with the same CPU and GPU configuration as the Mac to have very similar results, assuming the author of the Benchmark paid attention to making the Benchmark itself the same instructions (or at least the same number of cycles) per inner-loop of the test.
And the speed of light is pretty damned constant across all computers in this particular dimension of the Multiverse...;-)
So, unless the Benchmark is testing OS Calls, it pretty much CAN'T be Apple's fault.
You have to compare the Apple price with the Microsoft price. AAPL is disproportionately down.
If that is true (and it really depends on what hour you look), it isn't by much, percentage-wise.
Three factors that haven't helped: Most analysts agreed that Apple's stock WAS overvalued, and that a "correction" was due. Plus, Apple's price ALWAYS goes down right after a New Product Event because Analysts are STOOOOPID. Apple had TWO Events in as many months. That didn't help. And, as I said, the ENTIRE Stock Market is in a TAILSPIN right now.
Let's come back in 6 months and see if things haven't shaken-out. The Stock Market is a "long con". Even month-to-month "trends" are virtually meaningless, historically...
I have an iPhone 6 that I use as a test device and an mp3 player. The thing that annoys me about it is that it will continue to nag me about upgrades; like literally every time I unlock it I have to say no don't upgrade. It also nags me about registering an Apple account (no I don't want to attach my account, shut up!). Since I have iTunes set up to talk to this iPhone I can't help my mother in law with hers on my system lest iTunes get hopelessly confused and try to morph her phone into mine. It seems terribly designed.
Boy you are one stupid motherfucker!
Here's how you handle multiple iPhones/iPads on one computer without crossing the streams:
You are an Apple fanboy and complete idiot. The gross margin on an iPhone is over 60%. That is outrageous. Corporations have never had such margin. And if you think there isn't much difference between $1,000 is $390 you aren't too bright. No wonder people don't have any savings. You give it all to corporations for overpriced junk you throw away in 2-3 years. Once we hit a recession you will learn the value of a dollar.
Even if that were true (and it isn't), GROSS margin isn't what COUNTS.
What counts is NET margin. And you suspiciously don't favor us with THAT number. Why not?
It's because idiots keep paying for it en masse because they just have to have the latest igadget and believe lines like apple make long lasting products and makes new technology when they do neither.
Proof's in the pudding.
I've been buying (mostly used) Apple equipment for, well, as long as there has BEEN Apple equipment, and, other than a used eMac that seemed to suffer a Power Supply failure, I have sent every single one of my Apple computers (and my one upgraded iPhone) to my "Computer Museum" (spare bedroom) FULLY FUNCTIONAL. I could plug ANY of them in (back to my Apple 1!!!), and they would obediently boot right up and be ready for service, just like the day they were "decommissioned".
So, blow it out your ass; I've got over FORTY YEARS of Apple Hardware that handily BELIES your claims.
Oh, and as for your snarky "Gotta have the latest iGadget" remark, my NEWEST Apple gear is as follows:
1. A 4th Generation Apple TV that I bought to cut the cord about 2 years ago.
2. A mid-2012 MacBook Pro, which I bought new =in mid 2013, and which is my daily-driver at home.
3. An iPad 2 (which was a gift from my employer something like 5 years ago). I still use it every single day.
Obviously, NONE of that gear qualifies as "the latest iGadget". So again, quit with the false Apple Hater memes, willya?
it really took that long to figure that out? the prices you thought were worth it have never been from the very start, let alone all the other accessories you have to buy because of them creating their own standards. there's reasons why certain people, mainly practical people, will never buy an apple product and for those that see technology as something to help people accomplish things in life in a simpler way they have been detrimental to that end.
What standards has Apple created lately? The last one they created was Lightning, and that was because they just couldn't abide putting a piece of SHIT microUSB connector on their mobile devices, and the EU was giving them shit about the 30 pin Dock connector. But, they are now moving away from that, and going with the INDUSTRY-STANDARD USB-C connector.
But, other than Lightning, name ONE Proprietary Standard that Apple has CREATED in the past decade or so. I'll wait. Even Facetime was SUPPOSED to be Open; but then a Patent Troll (VirnexT) swooped-in a ruined THAT idea for EVERYBODY.
I was a happy Android user for 7+ years. But to reliably get OS updates and upgrades, and not have to put up with a botched Android UI and bloatware, that meant buying a Nexus phone and tablet. Which I did, every 2 years or so.
But then Google decided to give up on Android tablets entirely, and give up on mid-price phones. They jacked up their prices, and a Pixel 3 now starts at $799. Well, guess what, that's the same price as an iPhone XR. And Google's last Android tablet offering before they gave up was actually more expensive than an iPad. So I switched.
With computers, nobody else is even offering a good Unix-based computer. Linux isn't competitive -- I use it for work, but sound and video are still a dumpster fire and don't count on hibernation working as well as a Mac either. If I didn't need to edit 4K video and work on music, I'd probably buy a ChromeBook, and sales of ChromeBooks seem to suggest that indeed there's an underserved market there.
Basically, nobody is putting in the time and money to clean up Linux (or BSD) and offer systems where sound and video editing, hibernation, and all the other basic functionality of a Mac is right there and just works. If you want that, you either have to put up with Windows and its myriad deficiencies, or you have to buy a Mac.
I'm a little surprised that nobody's deliberately setting out to build laptops that have exactly the same hardware as a Mac and are perfectly suited to hackintosh use. Give me a laptop with a proper keyboard and hardware that all worked properly with macOS and I'd be very tempted.
Ever since the Apple 2 line was discontinued, I lost faith in Apple. However, a neighbor recently asked to take her iMac to the Apple Store 25 miles away. Fifty employees and hundreds of customers waiting to get their crappy Apple products fixed. And as many of you know, Apple reduced their estimated life of product from 3 years to 2 years just so people would have buy more. It's not sad. It's disgusting.
99% of them don't even know what's inside a computer, nor how it works, and couldn't build one even if their lives depended on it. As for the idiots who queue up outside Apple stores for hours (or even days) to buy the latest iPhone, words fail me.
Worked as an Embedded Dev. (both hw and sw) for over FOUR DECADES (and did as much Embedded Dev. on Macs as practical (which was admittedly not so easy back in the day). I Have built DOZENS of Windows computers. Write Windows Application sw for a living now. As such, I also help Admin several of our Windows Dev. Servers, stretching from Server 2003 to 2016.
I have several Engineering-type friends that use Macs, too.
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And since he's complaining about ACs all the time. He will realize that only accounts can mod. So actual logged in users are modding his lies down.
I NEVER said those ACs weren't actually Logged-In USERS. They just "Post Anonymously" when they want to DEFAME someone, and then turn around and MOD under their LOGIN.
Chrome books cost between $100-300.
You are comparing apples and oranges you faggot shill.
You are the dumbest person on this forum. Seriously. Post your real name and address or stfu.
You first, COWARD.
In the PPC days, Apple computers would be a long term investment, and I've seen some of those machines last more than a decade. Once they switched to Intel, they were the Gateway Computers of the modern PC market. Shoddy hardware.
You're full of shit. A friend of mine just replaced his 2009 Intel iMac with a 2017 version last summer. The 2009 version is still working fine; he just moved it into a "Secondary computer" role.
About a week ago, I just helped replace his Wife's 2006 Intel Mac mini with the new 2018 model. It was also working fine; but she wanted one that was faster and that could run the latest version of macOS.
I have another friend with a 2006 Intel Mac mini which I think she is still using.
NONE of them have EVER had a failure of those systems.
So you agree that their computers aren't of value? Glad you admitted it.
You can't even READ. Go away.
Lol. Liar
Prove it, or STFU.
We don't believe you, you are a lying faggot Apple shill. Post your real name and address or stfu. Gerald did it, you won't tho cuz you are too pussy.
Pussy boy.
So sez the
ANONYMOUS
COWARD.
I don't even know who this "Gerald" is, you dumbfuck Slashtard. Login and fight like a man!
How many tens of thousands of lines of C and Assembler and other languages code would I have to post to prove at least the software side of my claims?
The answer is "Infinity"; because you would always come back with some snarky remark, or continue to move the goalposts.
FOAD. I know what I have done. I'm frickin' over 60 years old, and still employed full-time doing (unfortunately, Windows) Software Development. When I started making money with microcontrollers, the term "Embedded Development" hadn't even been INVENTED yet!
Same here. I loved my 2e, 2c, and 2gs, but Apple has been pretty much dead to me since then.
So instead, you'd rather use the 88th iteration of the 1978 IBM PC, running the 10th Iteration of a 1993 OS.
Yeah, that's forward-thinking!
You are right. apple has never created anything. They just keep copying the innovators.
Haha. Nice try, COWARD.
Congrats, that is just your style. The rest of the Apple cult is not like you, but willya try again next time?
Funny. It's JUST like the other Apple-owning people I know.
One just bought an iMac in 2017 to replace his 2009 iMac, which he uses for his Architectural Consulting business (he is 87 y/o BTW). His MacBook Pro is also from around 2011, IIRC. His wife just replaced her 2009 Mac mini with the new 2018 model. Their iPhones are a few generations old (can't remember how old), and his iPad is at least 3 years old.
Another just replaced her 2011 MacBook Pro with a 2017 version. I'm pretty sure she has an Android phone because she is on some sort of family plan with her husband. Husband is a Windows user.
Another friend has a frickin' Titanium POWERBOOK, and an iPhone 4 (may have upgraded that last year). His wife has a 2009 Mac mini (first Intel version).
In fact, I really have NEVER known one of these MYTHICAL "Gotta Have the New Shiny" Apple Users Slashtards keep yapping about. Wonder where they all are???
Wow, you seem angry. My wife and I had iPhones and tried doing that(granted a few generations ago, so may be better),but that didn't work for us. After having the phones erase and redownload stuff from the other phone, we stopped trying. I had two apples geniuses try to get it to work and they were baffled. It should just work, but it didn't.
So, go fuck yourself. Sometimes it doesn't just work.
Sorry. It HAS to work.
One macOS User shares VERY LITTLE with another, especially when it comes to DATA in the User's Home Directory (like iTunes Settings and Media).
So, I think you are simply lying, COWARD.
That's your fault for buying into the Apple ecosystem you faggot. A problem that you handwave away.
Excuse me, I don't think you read my comment correctly.
Assuming you CAN read with comprehension.
So sez the resident Apple cock sucking faggot.
Post your real name or STFU, because you and I are no different.
Wrong.
I've got my Slashdot "reputation" (Karma score) on the line; while ACs can (and DO) say ANY FUCKING THING that comes into their little peabrains, WITHOUT FEAR OF REPRISAL.
THAT's the DIFFERENCE, FUCKFACE!
LOL. Ahhhh I figured I'd see you here letting Apple off the hook.
Never apples fault amiright?
Generally, a Benchmark is measuring CPU and/or GPU speed rather directly. Therefore, the final arbiter of speed is the speed of that particular CPU and/or GPU. I would expect a Windows or Linux system with the same CPU and GPU configuration as the Mac to have very similar results, assuming the author of the Benchmark paid attention to making the Benchmark itself the same instructions (or at least the same number of cycles) per inner-loop of the test.
And the speed of light is pretty damned constant across all computers in this particular dimension of the Multiverse... ;-)
So, unless the Benchmark is testing OS Calls, it pretty much CAN'T be Apple's fault.
Now tell me how I'm wrong.
You have to compare the Apple price with the Microsoft price. AAPL is disproportionately down.
If that is true (and it really depends on what hour you look), it isn't by much, percentage-wise.
Three factors that haven't helped: Most analysts agreed that Apple's stock WAS overvalued, and that a "correction" was due. Plus, Apple's price ALWAYS goes down right after a New Product Event because Analysts are STOOOOPID. Apple had TWO Events in as many months. That didn't help. And, as I said, the ENTIRE Stock Market is in a TAILSPIN right now.
Let's come back in 6 months and see if things haven't shaken-out. The Stock Market is a "long con". Even month-to-month "trends" are virtually meaningless, historically...
My 2013 macbook pro is 10% slower than the 2018 model in single core performance for teice the price
You can thank:
1. Intel
2. The speed of light
For the (lack) of incredible speed increases. That's why NOBODY replaces their computers as often as they used to.
Sure thing, fanboi. Whatever you need to tell yourself to not feel like a fucking dupe.
So sez the ANONYMOUS COWARD.
Name says it all...
There are better products for the same price or less, which is a reason to change.
Not when you get more than ONE of those products of the same brand/platform TOGETHER, there aren't.
Which is a reason NOT to change.
Now what?
I have an iPhone 6 that I use as a test device and an mp3 player. The thing that annoys me about it is that it will continue to nag me about upgrades; like literally every time I unlock it I have to say no don't upgrade. It also nags me about registering an Apple account (no I don't want to attach my account, shut up!). Since I have iTunes set up to talk to this iPhone I can't help my mother in law with hers on my system lest iTunes get hopelessly confused and try to morph her phone into mine. It seems terribly designed.
Boy you are one stupid motherfucker!
Here's how you handle multiple iPhones/iPads on one computer without crossing the streams:
https://www.imore.com/how-use-...
And here is the same information for both Mac or Windows:
https://smallbusiness.chron.co...
So, that took approximately 500 nanoseconds to find on Google. What's YOUR problem?
You are an Apple fanboy and complete idiot. The gross margin on an iPhone is over 60%. That is outrageous. Corporations have never had such margin. And if you think there isn't much difference between $1,000 is $390 you aren't too bright. No wonder people don't have any savings. You give it all to corporations for overpriced junk you throw away in 2-3 years. Once we hit a recession you will learn the value of a dollar.
Even if that were true (and it isn't), GROSS margin isn't what COUNTS.
What counts is NET margin. And you suspiciously don't favor us with THAT number. Why not?
It's because idiots keep paying for it en masse because they just have to have the latest igadget and believe lines like apple make long lasting products and makes new technology when they do neither.
Proof's in the pudding.
I've been buying (mostly used) Apple equipment for, well, as long as there has BEEN Apple equipment, and, other than a used eMac that seemed to suffer a Power Supply failure, I have sent every single one of my Apple computers (and my one upgraded iPhone) to my "Computer Museum" (spare bedroom) FULLY FUNCTIONAL. I could plug ANY of them in (back to my Apple 1!!!), and they would obediently boot right up and be ready for service, just like the day they were "decommissioned".
So, blow it out your ass; I've got over FORTY YEARS of Apple Hardware that handily BELIES your claims.
Oh, and as for your snarky "Gotta have the latest iGadget" remark, my NEWEST Apple gear is as follows:
1. A 4th Generation Apple TV that I bought to cut the cord about 2 years ago.
2. A mid-2012 MacBook Pro, which I bought new =in mid 2013, and which is my daily-driver at home.
3. An iPad 2 (which was a gift from my employer something like 5 years ago). I still use it every single day.
Obviously, NONE of that gear qualifies as "the latest iGadget". So again, quit with the false Apple Hater memes, willya?
it really took that long to figure that out? the prices you thought were worth it have never been from the very start, let alone all the other accessories you have to buy because of them creating their own standards. there's reasons why certain people, mainly practical people, will never buy an apple product and for those that see technology as something to help people accomplish things in life in a simpler way they have been detrimental to that end.
What standards has Apple created lately? The last one they created was Lightning, and that was because they just couldn't abide putting a piece of SHIT microUSB connector on their mobile devices, and the EU was giving them shit about the 30 pin Dock connector. But, they are now moving away from that, and going with the INDUSTRY-STANDARD USB-C connector.
But, other than Lightning, name ONE Proprietary Standard that Apple has CREATED in the past decade or so. I'll wait. Even Facetime was SUPPOSED to be Open; but then a Patent Troll (VirnexT) swooped-in a ruined THAT idea for EVERYBODY.
I was a happy Android user for 7+ years. But to reliably get OS updates and upgrades, and not have to put up with a botched Android UI and bloatware, that meant buying a Nexus phone and tablet. Which I did, every 2 years or so.
But then Google decided to give up on Android tablets entirely, and give up on mid-price phones. They jacked up their prices, and a Pixel 3 now starts at $799. Well, guess what, that's the same price as an iPhone XR. And Google's last Android tablet offering before they gave up was actually more expensive than an iPad. So I switched.
With computers, nobody else is even offering a good Unix-based computer. Linux isn't competitive -- I use it for work, but sound and video are still a dumpster fire and don't count on hibernation working as well as a Mac either. If I didn't need to edit 4K video and work on music, I'd probably buy a ChromeBook, and sales of ChromeBooks seem to suggest that indeed there's an underserved market there.
Basically, nobody is putting in the time and money to clean up Linux (or BSD) and offer systems where sound and video editing, hibernation, and all the other basic functionality of a Mac is right there and just works. If you want that, you either have to put up with Windows and its myriad deficiencies, or you have to buy a Mac.
I'm a little surprised that nobody's deliberately setting out to build laptops that have exactly the same hardware as a Mac and are perfectly suited to hackintosh use. Give me a laptop with a proper keyboard and hardware that all worked properly with macOS and I'd be very tempted.
And this is the bottom line.
Ever since the Apple 2 line was discontinued, I lost faith in Apple. However, a neighbor recently asked to take her iMac to the Apple Store 25 miles away. Fifty employees and hundreds of customers waiting to get their crappy Apple products fixed. And as many of you know, Apple reduced their estimated life of product from 3 years to 2 years just so people would have buy more. It's not sad. It's disgusting.
STOP LYING!
99% of them don't even know what's inside a computer, nor how it works, and couldn't build one even if their lives depended on it.
As for the idiots who queue up outside Apple stores for hours (or even days) to buy the latest iPhone, words fail me.
Worked as an Embedded Dev. (both hw and sw) for over FOUR DECADES (and did as much Embedded Dev. on Macs as practical (which was admittedly not so easy back in the day). I Have built DOZENS of Windows computers. Write Windows Application sw for a living now. As such, I also help Admin several of our Windows Dev. Servers, stretching from Server 2003 to 2016.
I have several Engineering-type friends that use Macs, too.
So, next bullshit meme?
"It felt as though the value proposition that has made Apple products no-brainers might unravel."
In what universe of delusion has Apple ever been a value proposition???????
In the one where people value their TIME and their PRIVACY.
Next stupid question?