As opposed to ticking off a box in your settings and tapping the apk in your downloads folder?
Oh wait, there is no downloads folder on Apple. Never mind.
Actually, now that there's a semi-exposed filesystem in iOS 11, there might actually be something akin to a "Downloads" folder. The stuff has to go SOMEWHERE while it's being downloaded, right?
But now, it has to work JUST like your platform of choice, or the whole thing is invalid?
The bulk of the damages payment, $533,316,606, was for infringing three Apple design patents. The remaining $5,325,050 was for infringing two utility patents.
As I said, you don't have a point, and you know it. That's why you are using insults and other fallacies.
And you don't have an argument. That's why you won't rebut mine.
Steam link is not an emulator. There's no way any mobile phone could emulate a desktop computer... Which should have been painfully obvious to anyone on \.
It's a desktop streaming / miracast style app which requires a desktop to stream from.
Steam is obviously more than just that; since there are multitudinous VNC/Remote Desktop Apps on the iOS App Store.
I know it's all too easy for people to automatically assume some sort of corruption or greed is the explanation for any given "you can't do that!" answer from a big business... but in this case, there is a far less complicated answer which I think is clearly more plausible: Apple's App Store guidelines forbid emulators for both performance and security reasons. The quickest method for a Steam port of existing Windows games over to iOS would be to emulate some portion of the functionality, just as they've done (by way of Cider, for example) for quite a few of their MacOS game ports over the years.
Thus, while Steam on iOS would seem on the surface to be an easy win for both Valve and Apple, it's going to take some serious recoding for Valve to fall completely in line with Apple's current App Store guidelines -- and that doesn't come cheap, which is why they used emulation in the first place for those previous ports. So Valve is no doubt quietly advocating for a change in Apple's policies, in order to get the iOS version of Steam rolled out with minimal recoding... but opening up iOS to emulators really would be an incredible can of worms, and as I see it, Apple probably just isn't interested in taking on that kind of risk.
But... that sort of explanation is kind'a boring and doesn't really play well in the press -- especially from Valve's point of view. It sounds much more interesting to make Apple out to be the greedy bully, who just wants more easy money... and as can be demonstrated by many of the comments in this thread, gamers enthusiastically eat up that crap. And of course, Apple doesn't generally publicize the reasons for specific store submission denials, out of deference to the privacy concerns of the app developers... so for the moment, we're really only hearing one side of the story.
Hopefully, in time, Apple will make some statement that will provide us with "the rest of the story," as Paul Harvey used to say.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Give this man some Mod points! He has hit the nail PERFECTLY on the head!!!
apple plans to copy what Value is doing; make a far inferior version of it; claim they invented the whole thing and then sit back as their mindless drone cultists claim apple is the best. Thats apple 101.
No. That game-plan belongs to Microsoft, actually.
So remote desktop apps do not exist in Apple's app store? That is actually a serious question that I do not know the answer to. If it turns out that Apple bans all remote desktop apps, at least the "omg Apple is unfairly targeting Valve!" angle goes away.
Lots of them. I use "Jump".
Works with both RDP and VNC Servers. FYI, Mac "Screen Sharing" uses VNC on the standard Port. You can use any old VNC app to do "Remote Desktop" on a Mac. The only thing that's kind of annoying is that there is no way in the GUI of MacOS to change the VNC Port; so if you have a Router that doesn't support Port Translation during Forwarding, and you have more than one Mac on your Network, you have to edit a.plist file in MacOS' "Terminal" for those "secondary" Macs to change the port they listen to
for VNC.
Yep. I've been an Apple fan for 20 years, but I finally decided to take a stand against Apple's policy of no side loading of commercially purchased software. I traded my last iPhone for a Google Pixel. iOS *is* a superior operating system, but I can live with Android. If Apple ever tries the same thing with macOS, I'll be gone for good.
A company that locks you in to their platform, but generally respects your privacy (at least to our knowledge), or a company that's far less locked down, but pisses all over your privacy.
You can do something about the privacy problem. You can't do much about the lockdown problem.
The problem is which do you choose? A company that locks you in to their platform, but generally respects your privacy (at least to our knowledge), or a company that's far less locked down, but pisses all over your privacy. I'm currently on Android, but Google is seriously pissing me off and I start wondering if Apple might be better.
This is the real reason Apple is so locked down. To keep the money funnel going. You can't fault a company for doing this but it is seriously anti competitive in nature. It's the only reason I stick with Android too since you can still side load (for how much longer don't know).
There are a LOT of things MS has never released for Apple, too. Shall I enumerate?
It's Apple's platform, and Apple's App Store.
And you can Side Load on iOS since iOS 8, nearly 4 years ago. Please DO try to keep up!
Go on GitHub. There is a vibrant Open Source iOS Community, with dozens, if not HUNDREDS of Apps.
Then there's Cydia Impactor, which allows even people WITHOUT a Mac to Sideload Apps that are published to '.ipa' files. This does NOT require Jailbreaking!
If you knew you had a point, you wouldn't feel the need to insult the person you are talking too.
Wrong.
I just get frustrated with all the Willful Blindness around here.
So, what about the Utility Patent infringements? Or don't you want to address the real point of my argument? That's like blowing-off a completely relevant and well-supported comment because someone used an apostrophe incorrectly.
I've seen it again and again, most recently in your post, above. So watch that log in your eye when you are complaining about the dust-mote in mine.
In other words, if it was less than 6 mill payout for some utility patents, Samsung couldn't care less. But that's not the bulk of the payout, not even close.
I don't know how much you know about the American Civil Justice System; but, in our Civil Courts, Determination of Liability (that is, who was wrong, and who was right) is COMPLETELY SEPARATE from Determination of Damages (what "relief" is awarded because of the LIABILITY Determination).
There are MANY lawsuits in which the ONLY "Award" is an INJUNCTION (to get the Liable party to stop doing whatever they were doing).
the utilities made up less than 2% of the judgement, the majority of the amount IS for rounded corners and a grid of colourful icons which is just complete bullshit. regardless of whether you like or hate either of them this is a disgrace.
Determination of Liability is ALWAYS separate from determination of Damages.
Therefore, your argument is specious, and obsfucatory.
Yet the rounded corners jokes will make apple look like the massive douches they are.
...and the Haters' willful blindness and fraudulent concealment of the two Utility Patent infringements will make the Haters look like the massive, lying douches that they are...
Well, Samsung copied the phone design, the UI and even the box it shipped in. They also debated it in internal emails. Now, in a court of law you can't just stand up with a phone in each hand and say "look how alike they are, your Honor, what do you think?", instead you have to argue in great detail for each individual bit, such as corner shape/radius, button shape or feel, individual icons, etc. etc.. and then finally bring it to a conclusion. Thus, out of context we end up with the silly rounded corner debacle while the real case covered a lot more ground.
Not to mention the Utility Patent infringements; which have nothing to do with rounded corners. All the Haters are conveeeeeniently glossing over THOSE issues... Wonder why?
Slashdot Mirror
According to TFS, Apple Mail is not the ONLY Mail Client/Plugin that is affected:
"The Intercept reports that developers of email clients and encryption plugins are still scrambling to come up with a permanent fix. "
That sentence tells me it is more than Apple Mail that is affected; yet the Title makes it sound that way.
Why?
Oh, right: Clickbait.
Bzzt. You can only side load open source apps. My post was about "commercially purchased software".
Actually, I believe the .ipa files you download/install with Cydia Impactor are pre-compiled binaries.
Nice try.
As opposed to ticking off a box in your settings and tapping the apk in your downloads folder?
Oh wait, there is no downloads folder on Apple. Never mind.
Actually, now that there's a semi-exposed filesystem in iOS 11, there might actually be something akin to a "Downloads" folder. The stuff has to go SOMEWHERE while it's being downloaded, right?
But now, it has to work JUST like your platform of choice, or the whole thing is invalid?
Riiiiiight.
That is an idea who's time has very much come!
Bravo, Vermont!!!
Let me quote the article :
As I said, you don't have a point, and you know it. That's why you are using insults and other fallacies.
And you don't have an argument. That's why you won't rebut mine.
Sideload with XCode? So you have to buy a Macbook to load open source software onto the phone? Yeah, that's not a closed ecosystem at all...
Woosh!
You COMPLETELY disregarded the Cydia Impactor stuff.
Talk about Willful Blindness...
Stop developing on Apple. Seriously, 30 PERCENT cut ? Holy shit kids are you all this retarded? There are other options.
Why do I get the feeling Apple rather enjoys being a crack dealer in this transaction. So much reward for so little risk.
Isn't that exactly what Google charges for a Play Store listing?
Steam link is not an emulator. There's no way any mobile phone could emulate a desktop computer... Which should have been painfully obvious to anyone on \.
It's a desktop streaming / miracast style app which requires a desktop to stream from.
Steam is obviously more than just that; since there are multitudinous VNC/Remote Desktop Apps on the iOS App Store.
I know it's all too easy for people to automatically assume some sort of corruption or greed is the explanation for any given "you can't do that!" answer from a big business... but in this case, there is a far less complicated answer which I think is clearly more plausible: Apple's App Store guidelines forbid emulators for both performance and security reasons. The quickest method for a Steam port of existing Windows games over to iOS would be to emulate some portion of the functionality, just as they've done (by way of Cider, for example) for quite a few of their MacOS game ports over the years.
Thus, while Steam on iOS would seem on the surface to be an easy win for both Valve and Apple, it's going to take some serious recoding for Valve to fall completely in line with Apple's current App Store guidelines -- and that doesn't come cheap, which is why they used emulation in the first place for those previous ports. So Valve is no doubt quietly advocating for a change in Apple's policies, in order to get the iOS version of Steam rolled out with minimal recoding... but opening up iOS to emulators really would be an incredible can of worms, and as I see it, Apple probably just isn't interested in taking on that kind of risk.
But... that sort of explanation is kind'a boring and doesn't really play well in the press -- especially from Valve's point of view. It sounds much more interesting to make Apple out to be the greedy bully, who just wants more easy money... and as can be demonstrated by many of the comments in this thread, gamers enthusiastically eat up that crap. And of course, Apple doesn't generally publicize the reasons for specific store submission denials, out of deference to the privacy concerns of the app developers... so for the moment, we're really only hearing one side of the story.
Hopefully, in time, Apple will make some statement that will provide us with "the rest of the story," as Paul Harvey used to say.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Give this man some Mod points! He has hit the nail PERFECTLY on the head!!!
apple plans to copy what Value is doing; make a far inferior version of it; claim they invented the whole thing and then sit back as their mindless drone cultists claim apple is the best. Thats apple 101.
No. That game-plan belongs to Microsoft, actually.
So remote desktop apps do not exist in Apple's app store? That is actually a serious question that I do not know the answer to. If it turns out that Apple bans all remote desktop apps, at least the "omg Apple is unfairly targeting Valve!" angle goes away.
Lots of them. I use "Jump".
Works with both RDP and VNC Servers. FYI, Mac "Screen Sharing" uses VNC on the standard Port. You can use any old VNC app to do "Remote Desktop" on a Mac. The only thing that's kind of annoying is that there is no way in the GUI of MacOS to change the VNC Port; so if you have a Router that doesn't support Port Translation during Forwarding, and you have more than one Mac on your Network, you have to edit a .plist file in MacOS' "Terminal" for those "secondary" Macs to change the port they listen to
for VNC.
But I digress.
Yep. I've been an Apple fan for 20 years, but I finally decided to take a stand against Apple's policy of no side loading of commercially purchased software. I traded my last iPhone for a Google Pixel. iOS *is* a superior operating system, but I can live with Android. If Apple ever tries the same thing with macOS, I'll be gone for good.
Apple has allowed Side Loading since iOS 8.
A company that locks you in to their platform, but generally respects your privacy (at least to our knowledge), or a company that's far less locked down, but pisses all over your privacy.
You can do something about the privacy problem. You can't do much about the lockdown problem.
What "lockdown" problem?
https://ios.gadgethacks.com/ho...
That requires NO Jailbreaking.
And, if you have a Mac, you can simply go to GitHub and visit their large collection of Open Source iOS Apps that you can "Sideload" with XCode:
For example:
https://github.com/vsouza/awes...
The problem is which do you choose? A company that locks you in to their platform, but generally respects your privacy (at least to our knowledge), or a company that's far less locked down, but pisses all over your privacy. I'm currently on Android, but Google is seriously pissing me off and I start wondering if Apple might be better.
Clue: They are.
This is the real reason Apple is so locked down. To keep the money funnel going. You can't fault a company for doing this but it is seriously anti competitive in nature. It's the only reason I stick with Android too since you can still side load (for how much longer don't know).
There are a LOT of things MS has never released for Apple, too. Shall I enumerate?
It's Apple's platform, and Apple's App Store.
And you can Side Load on iOS since iOS 8, nearly 4 years ago. Please DO try to keep up!
Go on GitHub. There is a vibrant Open Source iOS Community, with dozens, if not HUNDREDS of Apps.
Then there's Cydia Impactor, which allows even people WITHOUT a Mac to Sideload Apps that are published to '.ipa' files. This does NOT require Jailbreaking!
https://www.modmy.com/here-how...
And there are a growing number of "App Stores" that trade in those .ipa files. Here's a couple:
https://iosninja.io/ipa-librar...
https://iphone.mob.org/
If you knew you had a point, you wouldn't feel the need to insult the person you are talking too.
Wrong.
I just get frustrated with all the Willful Blindness around here.
So, what about the Utility Patent infringements? Or don't you want to address the real point of my argument? That's like blowing-off a completely relevant and well-supported comment because someone used an apostrophe incorrectly.
I've seen it again and again, most recently in your post, above. So watch that log in your eye when you are complaining about the dust-mote in mine.
Um, they also infringed upon Utility Patents.
What's that got to do with corner radii?
less than 1% of the total payment?
In other words, if it was less than 6 mill payout for some utility patents, Samsung couldn't care less. But that's not the bulk of the payout, not even close.
I don't know how much you know about the American Civil Justice System; but, in our Civil Courts, Determination of Liability (that is, who was wrong, and who was right) is COMPLETELY SEPARATE from Determination of Damages (what "relief" is awarded because of the LIABILITY Determination).
There are MANY lawsuits in which the ONLY "Award" is an INJUNCTION (to get the Liable party to stop doing whatever they were doing).
Does that make the Verdict any less "important"?
The answer is "No".
Stupid Hater. GTFO.
What's that have to do with shilling?
So let me get this straight: It is now "Shilling" to point out Facts Not In Dispute?
Got it.
Well, Samsung can hardly argue that design patents are worthless, considering they have by far the biggest number of US design patents.
And there's that, too.
the utilities made up less than 2% of the judgement, the majority of the amount IS for rounded corners and a grid of colourful icons which is just complete bullshit. regardless of whether you like or hate either of them this is a disgrace.
Determination of Liability is ALWAYS separate from determination of Damages.
Therefore, your argument is specious, and obsfucatory.
Try again, Hater.
Yet the rounded corners jokes will make apple look like the massive douches they are.
...and the Haters' willful blindness and fraudulent concealment of the two Utility Patent infringements will make the Haters look like the massive, lying douches that they are...
Now what, COWARD???
The look and feel lawsuit was settled decades ago.
Apple lost.
What about the two Utility Patent Infringements?
Nothing to do with Look and Feel, dickhead!
Well, Samsung copied the phone design, the UI and even the box it shipped in. They also debated it in internal emails.
Now, in a court of law you can't just stand up with a phone in each hand and say "look how alike they are, your Honor, what do you think?", instead you have to argue in great detail for each individual bit, such as corner shape/radius, button shape or feel, individual icons, etc. etc.. and then finally bring it to a conclusion. Thus, out of context we end up with the silly rounded corner debacle while the real case covered a lot more ground.
Not to mention the Utility Patent infringements; which have nothing to do with rounded corners. All the Haters are conveeeeeniently glossing over THOSE issues... Wonder why?
Just wait, I'm going to patent a smartphone with sharp corners and then sue everyone who isn't using round corners! ;)
Um, they also infringed upon Utility Patents.
What's that got to do with corner radii?
The company samsung has a long history of being an unethical fast follower. Finally someone calls their bluff.
Yup.