But that's just it. No company in the USA is about long term.
Turns out Apple is. Which is hardly a surprise at all if you know the history of the company, Jobs was very into the Japanese culture and long term thinking. He took great pains to hire people that thought the same way and install a similar strategy across the company, so it carries on in that approach.
And of course, Apple has enough actual cash on hand to have the luxury of being able to think very long term. If they didn't I would be more suspicious - but they do. It removes a ton of temptation to make short term choices to stay solvent. It's not like I trust Apple so much, as I trust the soothing effect of large stacks of money.
With people like Microsoft(win 10) and Apple, you are the sucker and the product.
Microsoft : yes, as they have been low-balling things for years.
But what leads you to say that about Apple? They do not sell user data to other companies, at all. As stated, they don't even have a motive to do so, and have in fact a very strong disinclination to do so, since privacy is a marketing feature of Apple products, one that Facebook has just made tremendously valuable. A company thinking ONLY of pure profit would be driven to a privacy oriented approach now because it's hot; it just happens that Apple started there...
If Tim Cook was genuine, they'd have blocked facebook from the app store.
If it were some small time app, I'm quite sure the app would be removed from the app store for breaking some rule in the ToS. However, there is a symbiotic relationship there, and while apple may not be directly benefiting from it, they permit it because it suits them.
That's why Apple has removed Facebook and Twitter integration in iOS 11.
Learn some facts before you embarrass yourself again, Hater.
Their privacy policy is precisely why I'm surprised they're not selling data.
Then again, then sell tracking data via their ad network, and they sell the ability to sell to their customers (at a 30% tax)... so Cooks' statement is, in reality, patently false. If we, Apple's users, did not exist, they would find themselves unable to sell ads or access to their digital storefronts; we are what they're selling there.
That's some nice circular logic there, bub.
If Apple users didn't exist, Apple couldn't sell their data?
As an Apple user, I'm honestly surprised by this and don't expect it to continue for much longer.
To be fair, Apple sells actual products and provides services for those products. Facebook just provides a service "for free". Apple doesn't need money from your data while Facebook depends on it. The value of Apple depends on the value their products provide to you. The value of Facebook and their service depends on the value of your data - to you and others.
As an Apple user, I'm honestly surprised by this and don't expect it to continue for much longer.
C'mon.
Apple has a long history of making good on that statement.
Plus, They have learned over the past se real years that Privacy is a MARKETABLE Product Distinction, and they are getting a Well-deserved reputation as being the only OEM and platform that actually walks the walk in that regard.
They also know that that reputation already translates into increased hardware sales of their products, particularly in the mobile arena.
You're falling into the same trap everyone else is. What has been delivered is far from feature complete and the first time you execute bash.exe you get a warning that the software is in beta.
The embrace stage is a loooooong way from being over.
Well, I admit I don't have a lot of specific knowledge in this area.
But the exact timing really doesn't matter. The point is, is it does look like their usual modus operandi...
Shhhh. Let's not spook him. I haven't told him about the mobile cart yet. That might blow his mind that equipment exists where you can move a monitor and keyboard to a server so that you can access it.
Some people are SOOOO myopic. If it doesn't suit their particular use-case or "world-view", it shouldn't be allowed.
And unfortunately, not only is that an all-too-common mindset around these here parts; but it seems like the world in general is getting FAR too butthurt on FAR too minor of subjects.
Interesting, thanks - I didn't see an announcement when it went away. It appears that the few ad-supported things on my iPad are using Google Ads now. Good move for Apple, because it removes a big conflict of interest for them, but not so great for people running ad-supported software on Apple devices because now it's all being served by companies that do a lot more tracking...
From what I heard, iAds was never very popular/successful, anyway. So, I don't think Apple Management had much in the way of App-Vendor pushback when they decided to pull the plug.
I agree that it helps Apple stay more of a "We are a Hardware-Products Company" focus. But I am surprised they are approving Apps that are using Google Ads. I just ignore all that detritus, anyway.
Nobody is trapped. Unless you use a burned-in Facebook app, it is just a chunk of inert binary. If you never log onto Facebook with it, it's nothing. And the amount of space it's taking up is irrelevant. I have a 128mb SD card in my phone. No space problem at all. It's a $120 Virgin Mobile phone, by the way. You can't get 128gb in any Apple gadget for less than four times that much.
But from other Posters' comments, I take it that some pretty large Android players, like Samsung, DO include a "Burned-In" FB App. Or mightaswell be "Burned-In", because it is undelete-able.
Delightful to find that people have finally started to realize that all mobile ecosystems are a walled garden, if you thought it didn't have a wall you just didn't look.
This isn't to suggest that most people would be willing to jump through the necessary hoops to make it work, as I agree they wouldn't. I just think your suggestion that an Android phone without the Google apps and Play Store is useless, and "you migh tas well use a flip phone", is being overdramatic.
Not at all overdramatic, when you AGREE that "most people" wouldn't be willing (or able) to JUMP THROUGH THE NECESSARY HOOPS.
So, what you are ADMITTEDLY saying is that, except for an indeterminate, but admittedly small minority of people, the Google suite REALLY IS a WALLED GARDEN.
Hahahahhaahahahahaha!!!! Welcome to the ILLUSION of "Freedom"!
Have you ever tried to run a cellphone without the Google set of applications? I have. That's what I got when I installed an AOSP Nougat build on my Nexus 5 (Nougat was never released/supported for the Nexus 5). I can tell you from experience that the phone becomes completely useless. You can make calls, and send and receive texts, and that's about it. I'm not sure it even had a browser. Installing new apps goes from difficult to nearly impossible. I haven't played too much with alternative markets to the Google Play Store, but my experience with F-Droid was negative. This specific market feels pretty empty, and the few choices available aren't too good. At least Lineage OS has created a few copycats of some of the most popular Android apps, but it's far from a full replacement. Losing access the the Play Store would leave my phone greatly diminished. If I could not have access to the Google Play Store, I don't think I would want to use an Android phone at all.
So, what you're saying is that Android is EFFECTIVELY and FOR ALL INTENTS a WALLED GARDEN....
Apple probably cares what their "core fanbase" thinks, and possibly what they do.
That much is obvious to the most casual observer.
But that's because Apple is essentially monetizing fashion in the tech industry. And keeping Apple products as the "hip new thing" year after year is an important business function so they can keep cranking out overpriced rounded corners.
So, that's why Apple nearly universally supports their products with OS and Security Updates FAR longer than anyone else?
Did you miss the part about custom ROMs? I have a legitimate Galaxy Tab 10.1 which Samsung no longer supports, am I supposed to stick with Honeycomb forever?
No, you're supposed to be a good little consumer and buy the latest Android, which will "buy" you one free OS Upgrade, often to the Current -1 Version of Android.
How many times have Fandroids defended Android, and Google's supposed "Inability" to Control things like Security Updates, because it is SUPPOSEDLY "Open Source" and "Google has NO CONTROL over OEMs and Carriers because Android is OPEN SOURCE"???
Riiiiiight. Seems they can shut off the spigot from EITHER end. IOW, they actually have ULTIMATE Control!
Enjoy your PSEUDO Open-Source OS, AND the built-in FaceBook spyware, while you're at it...
Surely it's noteworthy that FB was only able to behave this badly on the Android platform. Whether it was for technical or policy reasons, it wasn't possible on iOS.
Technical. Facebook doesn't give a shit about "Policy".
Specifically not Apple. Apple makes money from selling you a device, not from selling your data. That's why this story is about what happened to Android users.
Apple does; however, run iAds, which is an ad service for in-application adverts on iOS devices. This means that their incentives aren't quite so clear cut.
Ahem.
iAds was COMPLETELY DISCONTINUED nearly two years ago.
And the FaceBook App is just another App, and can be Removed like any App D/Led from the iOS App Store. No "Jailbreaking" or "Rooting" Required.
Also, from what I can tell, even with the "Integration" of FaceBook and Twitter Sign-Ons in iOS 10, looking on my iPhone running iOS 10, the FaceBook and Twitter Apps don't appear to be installed, unless I go to the App Store and download/install them.
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But that's just it. No company in the USA is about long term.
Turns out Apple is. Which is hardly a surprise at all if you know the history of the company, Jobs was very into the Japanese culture and long term thinking. He took great pains to hire people that thought the same way and install a similar strategy across the company, so it carries on in that approach.
And of course, Apple has enough actual cash on hand to have the luxury of being able to think very long term. If they didn't I would be more suspicious - but they do. It removes a ton of temptation to make short term choices to stay solvent. It's not like I trust Apple so much, as I trust the soothing effect of large stacks of money.
With people like Microsoft(win 10) and Apple, you are the sucker and the product.
Microsoft : yes, as they have been low-balling things for years.
But what leads you to say that about Apple? They do not sell user data to other companies, at all. As stated, they don't even have a motive to do so, and have in fact a very strong disinclination to do so, since privacy is a marketing feature of Apple products, one that Facebook has just made tremendously valuable. A company thinking ONLY of pure profit would be driven to a privacy oriented approach now because it's hot; it just happens that Apple started there...
So how are Apple users the product?
Exactly!
Well stated!
If Tim Cook was genuine, they'd have blocked facebook from the app store.
If it were some small time app, I'm quite sure the app would be removed from the app store for breaking some rule in the ToS. However, there is a symbiotic relationship there, and while apple may not be directly benefiting from it, they permit it because it suits them.
That's why Apple has removed Facebook and Twitter integration in iOS 11.
Learn some facts before you embarrass yourself again, Hater.
Their privacy policy is precisely why I'm surprised they're not selling data.
Then again, then sell tracking data via their ad network, and they sell the ability to sell to their customers (at a 30% tax)... so Cooks' statement is, in reality, patently false. If we, Apple's users, did not exist, they would find themselves unable to sell ads or access to their digital storefronts; we are what they're selling there.
That's some nice circular logic there, bub.
If Apple users didn't exist, Apple couldn't sell their data?
Really?
If Apple users didn't exist, neither would Apple!
... for now.
As an Apple user, I'm honestly surprised by this and don't expect it to continue for much longer.
To be fair, Apple sells actual products and provides services for those products. Facebook just provides a service "for free". Apple doesn't need money from your data while Facebook depends on it. The value of Apple depends on the value their products provide to you. The value of Facebook and their service depends on the value of your data - to you and others.
Exactly.
... how do you use your phone exactly?
Does sort of beg that question...
... for now.
As an Apple user, I'm honestly surprised by this and don't expect it to continue for much longer.
C'mon.
Apple has a long history of making good on that statement.
Plus, They have learned over the past se real years that Privacy is a MARKETABLE Product Distinction, and they are getting a Well-deserved reputation as being the only OEM and platform that actually walks the walk in that regard.
They also know that that reputation already translates into increased hardware sales of their products, particularly in the mobile arena.
Why would they jeapordize that?
You're falling into the same trap everyone else is. What has been delivered is far from feature complete and the first time you execute bash.exe you get a warning that the software is in beta.
The embrace stage is a loooooong way from being over.
Well, I admit I don't have a lot of specific knowledge in this area.
But the exact timing really doesn't matter. The point is, is it does look like their usual modus operandi...
Embrace. You can't extend what isn't embraced. WSL usage is basically non existent.
But hasn't MS been making a LOT of "Embrace" noises ALREADY vis-a-vis Linux and W10?
And where is my new Mac Pro tower?
Apple said "Modular". They never said "Tower".
Is this the "Embrace" or "Extend" phase?
Shhhh. Let's not spook him. I haven't told him about the mobile cart yet. That might blow his mind that equipment exists where you can move a monitor and keyboard to a server so that you can access it.
Some people are SOOOO myopic. If it doesn't suit their particular use-case or "world-view", it shouldn't be allowed.
And unfortunately, not only is that an all-too-common mindset around these here parts; but it seems like the world in general is getting FAR too butthurt on FAR too minor of subjects.
Interesting, thanks - I didn't see an announcement when it went away. It appears that the few ad-supported things on my iPad are using Google Ads now. Good move for Apple, because it removes a big conflict of interest for them, but not so great for people running ad-supported software on Apple devices because now it's all being served by companies that do a lot more tracking...
From what I heard, iAds was never very popular/successful, anyway. So, I don't think Apple Management had much in the way of App-Vendor pushback when they decided to pull the plug.
I agree that it helps Apple stay more of a "We are a Hardware-Products Company" focus. But I am surprised they are approving Apps that are using Google Ads. I just ignore all that detritus, anyway.
Nobody is trapped. Unless you use a burned-in Facebook app, it is just a chunk of inert binary. If you never log onto Facebook with it, it's nothing. And the amount of space it's taking up is irrelevant. I have a 128mb SD card in my phone. No space problem at all. It's a $120 Virgin Mobile phone, by the way. You can't get 128gb in any Apple gadget for less than four times that much.
But from other Posters' comments, I take it that some pretty large Android players, like Samsung, DO include a "Burned-In" FB App. Or mightaswell be "Burned-In", because it is undelete-able.
Google can do that, too, with the Play Store.
They. Just. Don't.
Or at least not as much as they should.
Delightful to find that people have finally started to realize that all mobile ecosystems are a walled garden, if you thought it didn't have a wall you just didn't look.
Exactly!
This isn't to suggest that most people would be willing to jump through the necessary hoops to make it work, as I agree they wouldn't. I just think your suggestion that an Android phone without the Google apps and Play Store is useless, and "you migh tas well use a flip phone", is being overdramatic.
Not at all overdramatic, when you AGREE that "most people" wouldn't be willing (or able) to JUMP THROUGH THE NECESSARY HOOPS.
So, what you are ADMITTEDLY saying is that, except for an indeterminate, but admittedly small minority of people, the Google suite REALLY IS a WALLED GARDEN.
Hahahahhaahahahahaha!!!! Welcome to the ILLUSION of "Freedom"!
B. F. Skinner would be Laughing his ASS of!!!
Have you ever tried to run a cellphone without the Google set of applications? I have. That's what I got when I installed an AOSP Nougat build on my Nexus 5 (Nougat was never released/supported for the Nexus 5). I can tell you from experience that the phone becomes completely useless. You can make calls, and send and receive texts, and that's about it. I'm not sure it even had a browser. Installing new apps goes from difficult to nearly impossible. I haven't played too much with alternative markets to the Google Play Store, but my experience with F-Droid was negative. This specific market feels pretty empty, and the few choices available aren't too good. At least Lineage OS has created a few copycats of some of the most popular Android apps, but it's far from a full replacement. Losing access the the Play Store would leave my phone greatly diminished. If I could not have access to the Google Play Store, I don't think I would want to use an Android phone at all.
So, what you're saying is that Android is EFFECTIVELY and FOR ALL INTENTS a WALLED GARDEN....
Fascinating!
Apple probably cares what their "core fanbase" thinks, and possibly what they do.
That much is obvious to the most casual observer.
But that's because Apple is essentially monetizing fashion in the tech industry. And keeping Apple products as the "hip new thing" year after year is an important business function so they can keep cranking out overpriced rounded corners.
So, that's why Apple nearly universally supports their products with OS and Security Updates FAR longer than anyone else?
Riiiiight.
Did you miss the part about custom ROMs? I have a legitimate Galaxy Tab 10.1 which Samsung no longer supports, am I supposed to stick with Honeycomb forever?
No, you're supposed to be a good little consumer and buy the latest Android, which will "buy" you one free OS Upgrade, often to the Current -1 Version of Android.
How many times have Fandroids defended Android, and Google's supposed "Inability" to Control things like Security Updates, because it is SUPPOSEDLY "Open Source" and "Google has NO CONTROL over OEMs and Carriers because Android is OPEN SOURCE"???
Riiiiiight. Seems they can shut off the spigot from EITHER end. IOW, they actually have ULTIMATE Control!
Enjoy your PSEUDO Open-Source OS, AND the built-in FaceBook spyware, while you're at it...
Surely it's noteworthy that FB was only able to behave this badly on the Android platform. Whether it was for technical or policy reasons, it wasn't possible on iOS.
Technical. Facebook doesn't give a shit about "Policy".
Specifically not Apple. Apple makes money from selling you a device, not from selling your data. That's why this story is about what happened to Android users.
Exactly what I came here to say.
Apple does; however, run iAds, which is an ad service for in-application adverts on iOS devices. This means that their incentives aren't quite so clear cut.
Ahem.
iAds was COMPLETELY DISCONTINUED nearly two years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Do try to keep up, Hater.
Rooting your iPhone doesn't void it's warranty?
What's Rooting got to do with it?
And in fact, in iOS 11, Apple has removed the automatic integration of FaceBook and Twitter.
https://www.axios.com/apple-re...
And the FaceBook App is just another App, and can be Removed like any App D/Led from the iOS App Store. No "Jailbreaking" or "Rooting" Required.
Also, from what I can tell, even with the "Integration" of FaceBook and Twitter Sign-Ons in iOS 10, looking on my iPhone running iOS 10, the FaceBook and Twitter Apps don't appear to be installed, unless I go to the App Store and download/install them.
Poor, trapped, Android users...
Really? I'm pretty sure you're stuck with APL services, which means they track the fuck out of you.
If you actually believe them that they say they don't? "No reasonable person would believe [us]". =P
Prove it.