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Microsoft Brings Native HEIF Support to Windows 10 (thurrott.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Microsoft is bringing support for the new HEIF image format to Windows 10. First popularized by Apple with iOS 11, HEIF is a new image format that uses less storage space while preserving image quality. The new image format is used by default on Apple's iPhone X and other devices running iOS 11. While Microsoft's online services like OneDrive already supported HEIF since the release of iOS 11, Windows 10 didn't natively support the new format as of yet. But with the upcoming Redstone 4 update -- possibly called the Spring Creators Update -- the Microsoft Photos app in Windows 10 will support HEIF by default. Further reading: CNET.
I only used uncompressed image storage formats. They are far superior.
WTF is wrong with Microsoft that I can attempt to open a PDF in MS Server 2014, and it STILL can't handle it natively?!?
Are they waiting to see if PDF will "take off"? Are they waiting to see if their "PDF-Killer" XPS will win-out (hint: It won't). Or what?!?
What morons.
Great ... just what we need another patent minefield image format.
...all Windows programs will automatically support HEIF image format, right?
Right?
WTF is wrong with Microsoft that I can attempt to open a PDF in MS Server 2014, and it STILL can't handle it natively?!?
In my view, getting P0WN3D should be opt-in.
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HEIF is a container, not an image format. However typical container contents (HEVC and H.264/MPEG-4) are patent encumbered.
Anybody care to dig up the bits that matter? Like, WHY is this all-singing all-dancing all-wonderful format just all that, hm?
msmash won't do it, too busy posing as a hacker. So, anybody else?
Why am I not surprised to discover that both the container for format (HEIF) Anna the codec (HVEC) are extensively covered by patents? This is the GIF story again, except this time done deliberately by Apple and Microsoft.
uses less storage space while preserving image quality.
BULLSHIT
You compress it, you will lose quality.
Or all of information theory is wrong.
OneDrive doesn't properly support HEIF, or at least didn't as of September last year. https://mspoweruser.com/micros...
Microsoft has reached out to us, clarifying that OneDrive on iOS will automatically convert HEIC files to JPEG when you back them up on your iPhone, so you will still be able to view them as regular image files in your Windows 10 device and iPhone.
HEIF is a container that can contain anything, usually images or a sequence of images but also video ... HEVC is the image format ....
Are there any implementations for Linux?
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They're just trying to solve a problem that ultimately affects everybody. The problem is that the executive team needs bigger vacation homes.
>You compress it, you will lose quality.
Um, NO. lossless compression is possible.
That comment in the summary probably could have been worded better, but I think it was intended to say that it does a better job of preserving image quality per amount of space used when compared to other image compression algorithms, such as .jpg (which is the defacto standard right now).
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If MS built PDF into their OS, there would immediately be cries that they were abusing their monopoly position to try to kill Adobe and third-party PDF apps.
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uses less storage space while preserving image quality.
BULLSHIT
You compress it, you will lose quality.
Or all of information theory is wrong.
Or you shift some of the storage space to the program that decompresses. You know, with things like Run Length Encoding, or Huffman compression, or LZW. Or things like Fractal Image Compression where you effectively gain artificial, but perceptible, quality by trading for time and storage space during both an analysis phase and decompression. I'm just guessing, but you seem to have missed out on the last three decades of the previous century. Now if you want to make an argument for the loss of quality for all encoding techniques, regardless of compression used, when reducing an original image to a particular color depth, or resolution... then yes... all existing image formats are inherently lossy when going from real life to digital storage.
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good win 10 users please use this all time, then the rest of the world can go , can't see nothing win 10 is producing, and hte majority not using it will make this another waste of MS money
It has slightly better image quality than JPG for the same file size, but the main benefit is that it allows multiple photos in a single file. This can either be a very short movie (Apple calls it Live Photo on the iPhone) or the same photo in multiple exposures or focal lengths (I believe photographers call this "bracketing") allowing you to fix a bad photo after the fact or do other creative things.
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How free is the HEIF format? Can open source support it?
BULLSHIT
You compress it, you will lose quality.
Or all of information theory is wrong.
I have three letters for you to study: PNG.
what is the ETA of AV1 bitsream freeze ? 2019 ?
It's been more than a decade since I've worried about this.
Winows 10 S^WS Mode^WEdgeOS is the end game. All apps and file formats will open only in Edge eventually.
As time goes by AV1 looks more and more like vaporware.
(end it's a pity)
ETA was late 2017. Then end of february 2018. Then what ?
I still use Photoshop CS6 (no real need to 'upgrade'), will the Windows upgrade mean I can open HEIC files in it?
Or things like Fractal Image Compression where you effectively gain artificial, but perceptible, quality by trading for time and storage space during both an analysis phase and decompression.
Not only time and storage space but also money, as Iterated Systems demanded substantial royalties for the use of techniques covered by its broad patents. And good luck moving all your users from countries where patents like these are valid to countries where they are not.
The patent thicket around fractal transform compression allowed for more research into DCT, wavelet, and MDCT compression, and this research allowed these paradigms to overtake fractal transform compression.
I couldn't stand that piece of shit. I found out how to re-enable the old Photo Viewer program and made it default. I don't do photo editing or anything advanced, but the app was garbage.
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That depends on what you mean by "quality" and what you consider important in the data. If you can compress away visual details that the eye/brain cannot detect, in an image that is primarily meant for human viewing, then you have reduced the data with no apparent loss of quality. Similarly for audio, if you throw out data that the average (or say 90th-percentile person) can't hear, you can reduce the amount of data with no apparent loss of quality. The use of formats like MP3, JPEG, and MPEG by hundreds of millions if not billions of people every day bears out this concept.
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WTF is wrong with Microsoft that I can attempt to open a PDF in MS Server 2014, and it STILL can't handle it natively?!?
There is a reason for this:
Adobe Systems refused to let Microsoft implement built-in PDF support in Microsoft Office, citing fears of EEE (Embrace, extend, and extinguish). -- Wikipedia
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I doubt if most here run Windows servers. Neither do we distribute documentation exclusively in PDF format. I suppose if it were common for servers to have a GUI then we might consider a PDF reader to be necessary. However, my file manager is capable of browsing foreign servers and allowing me to open documents located on those servers, and it's possible that Microsoft has managed to duplicate this functionality as well.
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We use some non-consumer level MS products that use XPS natively, and I prefer those. They're smaller and faster to work with.
I don't respond to AC's.
Firefox comes with a basic PDF viewer. So does Google Chrome (and Chromium since third quarter 2014), though Mozilla PDF.js is also available from Chrome Web Store.
Or are Chromium and Firefox also a "bug-fest"?
This can't be slashdot - TFS is way too well written