Indeed, notably absent is any mention of how much easier it is for them to unlock the latest generations of phones. Fingerprints and face scans are both fairly easy for the FBI to obtain or create.
We really need to put our nationalism aside when evaluating security. The FBI willing billions of dollars behind them, may not be any more effective at breaking into a phone then some guy living in his Moms basement. Is isn't Apple being a Jerk, or evil. They are trying to protect their customer base as well as they can. Because if word leaks out that their phones are insecure, Apple can be doomed.
I am a massive Android fanboi, and can't particularly stand Apple's UI or walled garden... That said, if I needed a phone for questionable stuff an apple burner looks to be the ideal choice all things considered.
Howabout if you just wanted a phone that you didn't want every frickin' nefarious APP digging into, let ALONE the Gummint?!?
Ok so I have run battery diagnostics and appearently my battery is at 88pct according to Battery Life Doctor.
It would appear my phone is not throttled but that the latest iOS is just too much to handle comfortably for my iPhone 6.
Bought Geekbench just now so here we go, the numbers donâ(TM)t mean anything to me right now: 1547 Single-Core Score 2627 Multi-Core Score Geekbench 4.2.1 for iOS AArch64 System Information iOS 11.2.1 on iPhone 6
As I assume I cannot downgrade to iOS 10 Im stuck with a poorly performing phone or will have to buy something new. Changing battery wonâ(TM)t help, so good to know that. Happy i had this conversation, even if it was impolite.
I'm pretty sure the numbers have no real-world "scale"; they're in "GeekBench Units", LOL! But, here is where you can see where your iPhone rates among others of your model:
And yes, I am afraid that your slowdowns are probably as a result of "An Upgrade too Far". My iPad 2 has been the same way since upgrading to iOS 9. Most things are ok, including some fairly high-demand Apps, but some Text Entry and most Web Browsing activities are positively PAINFUL!!!
My iPhone 6 has been pestering me to Upgrade to iOS 11 (which I would like to do for the File Manager; but don't want to lose some of the 32 bit Apps I have that haven't been recompiled for 64 bit). Glad that I haven't let it win that argument!
In fact, if you want to know a Class Action Lawsuit against Apple that I might be tempted to join, it would be one for Apple not allowing iOS users to DOWNGRADE their OS versions for some REASONABLE length of time after a new iOS version comes out, like 3 to 6 months. In fact, if you'd like to talk about something that insidiously pushes people to Upgrade their iDevices, then THAT is it!
And there is NO reason they can't leave the signing-keys "active" for "Version - 1". None at all...
Of course people would be screaming on internet forums. That happens every day no matter what. I'm talking about protracted national news coverage, expensive remedies, public apologies, Senate hearings. Do you think all that would have happened if they'd been transparent about this from before they started doing it? It seems unlikely to me.
Apple apologized, heavily discounted battery replacement, and promised to modify iOS to show when throttling happens. They also explained they did it for better user experience: the slowdown is to avoid under-powering due to battery age. I would actually have liked to have that feature for my Android that randomly power cycles.
Somehow the congresscritters think they could do better than Apple? These politicians only pretend they do something for the people only to distract people from their own incompetencies.
My mom went to the Apple store yesterday and reports that they didnâ(TM)t change her battery because it was still good but took it in the back to install a âoespecial patchâ and after installation the iPhone 6 is as fast as when it was new. She said many others at the counter at that time were told the same.
[I have an iPhone 6] that is nearly unusable. I have been pondering since December on buying the X or Galaxy but now I may just have the battery replaced.
Prove it.
Publish your GeekBench Scores or STFU.
My iPhone 6, purchased right when they came out in September, 2014, has 93% Battery Health, and has scored ABOVE the Average CPU Scores for the single and multiple-core scores, and only about 100 pts. below the average "Compute" Score (with no effort to stop any background processes before testing).
So, if there are some "bad" batteries, then maybe there are; just like EVERYONE occasionally has (Hello, Samsung?); if so, then Apple is LOSING MONEY on the $29 battery upgrade; so take advantage of it and STILL STFU!!!
And before you EVEN try to say that Apple isn't losing money at $29, then why, oh, why did they have a TEST before "allowing" a Battery Replacement at $50 more??? That would make NO sense, if Apple was making money at $79. So, if they weren't making money at $79, then they REALLY can't be making money at $29, right???
I think the issue is mainly not telling anyone what they were doing. If they had announced what they were doing and why, there would have been some grumbling but probably nothing like the outrage we're seeing now.
I also don't think this change was just to make the batteries last the full day. It was also to address an issue where the device was requesting more power than the degraded batteries could provide and was causing unexpected shutdowns. I know of several people with older iPhones that random turn off. It sounds like this could have been the problem.
Exactly.
Fanboy or no, Apple likes repeat customers, and phones becoming useless garbage doesn't help retention. They didn't slow down their phones to make people buy new phones. They add features that are only available on new phones to do that. Intentionally making old phones not work drives people to other manufacturers. We can safely remove the tinfoil hats for a minute.
Should Apple have made this a user controlled option? Sure. In fact, Apple could have had the phone show some message "Your battery needs replaced - your phone only has 75% of the capacity from when it was new"
Apple has already said they plan to provide more detailed information and control for the user regarding battery health and attempts to avoid random shutdowns.
There is a big difference. Before the shakedown, Microsoft was pointedly not involved in politics. Apple has long been deeply involved in the affairs in Washington.
Well, but the ability to provide constant current for lipo is lower than that for a short peak, is it not? I mean the potential is always there at it's max and it diminishes when the current ramps up as the "chemistry" has to keep up to restore the potential. So, given that instantaneous surge is within relatively continuous capacity, where would be the problem?
Well, this is where we depart from my knowledge of LiPo chemistry. I just have to take it on "faith" that those batteries have trouble with large current spikes as they grow older, the charge diminishes, and/or the temperature drops.
I see what you are saying; but I think it has more to do with "Effective Series Resistance" in the battery, which, as it increases, WOULD affect the ability to supply current "slugs" as needed, if you think of the downstream-electronics as kind of a big capacitor you're trying to keep charged. The ESR of the battery changes the "Time Constant" of the circuit. The battery would be able to keep up over the long term; but not if the "capacitor" is suddenly drained by a increased load.
It's an imperfect analogy, to be sure; but its the best I can come up with in 1000 words or less (and while stealing time at work!)
"So, I hope you have learned something here, Hater."
Hater? Do yourself a favour and grow up fanboy.
Alright.
If not a "Hater", then an ignoramus.
If you don't know that a Battery Indicator is useless for tracking or displaying micro or milli-second-long current spikes, then you are ignorant of how they work and what they display.
Being ignorant is excusable; however, accusing someone that points out that fact of being a "fanboy" is, er, NOT.
I'm all ears if I don't know something, but power capacitors? 15C is fairly normal peak load rating for non-high-end power lipos (for 5-30 seconds, which is way more than what can be smoothed with laptop capacitors). Let's assume it is a special snowflake not meant for fast discharge (which is the opposite to logical given the problem, but whatever) rated at 5c peak (which, again, would mean losing power at higher than that, but - whatever). For 2Ah (iphone7) battery that is 10A, or @3V =30W. That amount of heat with passive, low mass cooling would burn any ARM. Now lets assume the battery is a couple years old and can output half of that. The ARM will still let the smoke out trying drown that power.
These are INSTANTANEOUS current slugs, not CONTINUOUS levels. The problem is, as batteries age and-/or get cold, their INSTANTANEOUS current capacity goes to shit.
Actually, this is a software (more precisely, a compiler) problem. The problem is that the modern compilers make it difficult for these modern CPUs since they don't clearly instruct the CPU on how to proceed. So the CPU has to speculate (a.k.a. guess) what instruction it should do next. If the compilers produced better code in a more organized fashion, then the CPUs wouldn't have to be guessing all of the time, amiright?
(Hey, you know this is the next step in the blame game - watch somebody make a serious thread of this.)
CAP === 'spells'
Actually, no. You're NOT right.
Speculative branch prediction happens because there is NO WAY for ANYONE to know whether a Branch based on DATA will have to be taken or not. Otherwise, there wouldn't have to be CONDITIONAL branches AT ALL!
I see software development is NOT your forte, amirite?;-)
You don't have to be an expert to say 'Allow my phone to reduce speed to extend battery life' or 'Always run at full speed'. You could even add a car analogy.
Which is why I pointed out that Apple has already said they are going to expose more battery data and power controls to the user.
The problem with Apple is that they always feel they should make these decisions FOR people instead of telling them it is happening and letting them make the choice.
Most people enjoy Apple products precisely BECAUSE they don't HAVE to become an expert in things they really don't care about to use their products effectively. It doesn't make them "stupid", anymore than someone who doesn't care to know what goes on in their car's engine compartment is "stupid" because the car manufacturer "decided for them" what size radiator would be appropriate for their car's engine.
And, besides, Apple has already said they are going to provide much more detailed battery and performance information in subsequent versions of iOS, and will most likely make it a user-choice to accept Apple's attempts at keeping their device running with a degraded battery, or maybe even have some sort of "how much?" control over the performance adjustments.
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Indeed, notably absent is any mention of how much easier it is for them to unlock the latest generations of phones. Fingerprints and face scans are both fairly easy for the FBI to obtain or create.
Not on the first couple of tries...
We really need to put our nationalism aside when evaluating security. The FBI willing billions of dollars behind them, may not be any more effective at breaking into a phone then some guy living in his Moms basement. Is isn't Apple being a Jerk, or evil. They are trying to protect their customer base as well as they can. Because if word leaks out that their phones are insecure, Apple can be doomed.
Good thing they aren't insecure then, eh?
I am a massive Android fanboi, and can't particularly stand Apple's UI or walled garden...
That said, if I needed a phone for questionable stuff an apple burner looks to be the ideal choice all things considered.
Howabout if you just wanted a phone that you didn't want every frickin' nefarious APP digging into, let ALONE the Gummint?!?
"Over 4 years" .
You can't call bullshit and then immediately fail basic math. September 2018 hasn't happened yet.
Actually, I fail at typing or proofreading. Too many "GeekBench 4"s, and I got happy and typed 4 years.
Sorry!
But my battery is STILL not worn out.
Ok so I have run battery diagnostics and appearently my battery is at 88pct according to Battery Life Doctor.
It would appear my phone is not throttled but that the latest iOS is just too much to handle comfortably for my iPhone 6.
Bought Geekbench just now so here we go, the numbers donâ(TM)t mean anything to me right now:
1547 Single-Core Score
2627 Multi-Core Score
Geekbench 4.2.1 for iOS AArch64
System Information
iOS 11.2.1 on iPhone 6
As I assume I cannot downgrade to iOS 10 Im stuck with a poorly performing phone or will have to buy something new. Changing battery wonâ(TM)t help, so good to know that. Happy i had this conversation, even if it was impolite.
I'm pretty sure the numbers have no real-world "scale"; they're in "GeekBench Units", LOL! But, here is where you can see where your iPhone rates among others of your model:
https://browser.geekbench.com/...
And yes, I am afraid that your slowdowns are probably as a result of "An Upgrade too Far". My iPad 2 has been the same way since upgrading to iOS 9. Most things are ok, including some fairly high-demand Apps, but some Text Entry and most Web Browsing activities are positively PAINFUL!!!
My iPhone 6 has been pestering me to Upgrade to iOS 11 (which I would like to do for the File Manager; but don't want to lose some of the 32 bit Apps I have that haven't been recompiled for 64 bit). Glad that I haven't let it win that argument!
In fact, if you want to know a Class Action Lawsuit against Apple that I might be tempted to join, it would be one for Apple not allowing iOS users to DOWNGRADE their OS versions for some REASONABLE length of time after a new iOS version comes out, like 3 to 6 months. In fact, if you'd like to talk about something that insidiously pushes people to Upgrade their iDevices, then THAT is it!
And there is NO reason they can't leave the signing-keys "active" for "Version - 1". None at all...
By all means, suck Apple's dick....
By all means, go on being a Hater...
Of course people would be screaming on internet forums. That happens every day no matter what. I'm talking about protracted national news coverage, expensive remedies, public apologies, Senate hearings. Do you think all that would have happened if they'd been transparent about this from before they started doing it? It seems unlikely to me.
You know what they say about Hindsight, right?
Apple apologized, heavily discounted battery replacement, and promised to modify iOS to show when throttling happens. They also explained they did it for better user experience: the slowdown is to avoid under-powering due to battery age. I would actually have liked to have that feature for my Android that randomly power cycles.
Somehow the congresscritters think they could do better than Apple? These politicians only pretend they do something for the people only to distract people from their own incompetencies.
Exactly!!!
My mom went to the Apple store yesterday and reports that they didnâ(TM)t change her battery because it was still good but took it in the back to install a âoespecial patchâ and after installation the iPhone 6 is as fast as when it was new. She said many others at the counter at that time were told the same.
Prove it.
The same goes for having a battery life shorter than we expect from a company like Apple that seems to pride itself on quality and customer service.
My iPhone 6, purchased basically on day one of sale, back in September 2014, just showed 93% battery health when I tested it the other day.
If anything, I think that battery life is LONGER than I expect from a secondary battery over 3 years old.
Fuck, whatâ(TM)s wrong with slashdot on iOS???
How long have you been around here?
The Slashdot Mantra is Apple is teh Evilz!
[I have an iPhone 6] that is nearly unusable. I have been pondering since December on buying the X or Galaxy but now I may just have the battery replaced.
Prove it.
Publish your GeekBench Scores or STFU.
My iPhone 6, purchased right when they came out in September, 2014, has 93% Battery Health, and has scored ABOVE the Average CPU Scores for the single and multiple-core scores, and only about 100 pts. below the average "Compute" Score (with no effort to stop any background processes before testing).
So, if there are some "bad" batteries, then maybe there are; just like EVERYONE occasionally has (Hello, Samsung?); if so, then Apple is LOSING MONEY on the $29 battery upgrade; so take advantage of it and STILL STFU!!!
And before you EVEN try to say that Apple isn't losing money at $29, then why, oh, why did they have a TEST before "allowing" a Battery Replacement at $50 more??? That would make NO sense, if Apple was making money at $79. So, if they weren't making money at $79, then they REALLY can't be making money at $29, right???
I think the issue is mainly not telling anyone what they were doing. If they had announced what they were doing and why, there would have been some grumbling but probably nothing like the outrage we're seeing now.
Wanna bet?
You must be new to the internets...
I also don't think this change was just to make the batteries last the full day. It was also to address an issue where the device was requesting more power than the degraded batteries could provide and was causing unexpected shutdowns. I know of several people with older iPhones that random turn off. It sounds like this could have been the problem.
Exactly.
Fanboy or no, Apple likes repeat customers, and phones becoming useless garbage doesn't help retention. They didn't slow down their phones to make people buy new phones. They add features that are only available on new phones to do that. Intentionally making old phones not work drives people to other manufacturers. We can safely remove the tinfoil hats for a minute.
Should Apple have made this a user controlled option? Sure. In fact, Apple could have had the phone show some message "Your battery needs replaced - your phone only has 75% of the capacity from when it was new"
Apple has already said they plan to provide more detailed information and control for the user regarding battery health and attempts to avoid random shutdowns.
There is a big difference. Before the shakedown, Microsoft was pointedly not involved in politics. Apple has long been deeply involved in the affairs in Washington.
Actually, not so much until the past few years.
what about not helping the FBI as well?
They already excoriated Apple for standing up for our privacy rights, remember?
Well, but the ability to provide constant current for lipo is lower than that for a short peak, is it not? I mean the potential is always there at it's max and it diminishes when the current ramps up as the "chemistry" has to keep up to restore the potential. So, given that instantaneous surge is within relatively continuous capacity, where would be the problem?
Well, this is where we depart from my knowledge of LiPo chemistry. I just have to take it on "faith" that those batteries have trouble with large current spikes as they grow older, the charge diminishes, and/or the temperature drops.
I see what you are saying; but I think it has more to do with "Effective Series Resistance" in the battery, which, as it increases, WOULD affect the ability to supply current "slugs" as needed, if you think of the downstream-electronics as kind of a big capacitor you're trying to keep charged. The ESR of the battery changes the "Time Constant" of the circuit. The battery would be able to keep up over the long term; but not if the "capacitor" is suddenly drained by a increased load.
It's an imperfect analogy, to be sure; but its the best I can come up with in 1000 words or less (and while stealing time at work!)
You might want to check the batteries in your sarcasm meter ;)
Maybe.
Maybe just too many hours fending-off the Slashtard Haters...
[Rubbish snipped]
"So, I hope you have learned something here, Hater."
Hater? Do yourself a favour and grow up fanboy.
Alright.
If not a "Hater", then an ignoramus.
If you don't know that a Battery Indicator is useless for tracking or displaying micro or milli-second-long current spikes, then you are ignorant of how they work and what they display.
Being ignorant is excusable; however, accusing someone that points out that fact of being a "fanboy" is, er, NOT.
I'm all ears if I don't know something, but power capacitors? 15C is fairly normal peak load rating for non-high-end power lipos (for 5-30 seconds, which is way more than what can be smoothed with laptop capacitors). Let's assume it is a special snowflake not meant for fast discharge (which is the opposite to logical given the problem, but whatever) rated at 5c peak (which, again, would mean losing power at higher than that, but - whatever). For 2Ah (iphone7) battery that is 10A, or @3V =30W. That amount of heat with passive, low mass cooling would burn any ARM.
Now lets assume the battery is a couple years old and can output half of that. The ARM will still let the smoke out trying drown that power.
These are INSTANTANEOUS current slugs, not CONTINUOUS levels. The problem is, as batteries age and-/or get cold, their INSTANTANEOUS current capacity goes to shit.
Actually, this is a software (more precisely, a compiler) problem. The problem is that the modern compilers
make it difficult for these modern CPUs since they don't clearly instruct the CPU on how to proceed.
So the CPU has to speculate (a.k.a. guess) what instruction it should do next. If the compilers produced
better code in a more organized fashion, then the CPUs wouldn't have to be guessing all of the time, amiright?
(Hey, you know this is the next step in the blame game - watch somebody make a serious thread of this.)
CAP === 'spells'
Actually, no. You're NOT right.
Speculative branch prediction happens because there is NO WAY for ANYONE to know whether a Branch based on DATA will have to be taken or not. Otherwise, there wouldn't have to be CONDITIONAL branches AT ALL!
I see software development is NOT your forte, amirite? ;-)
You don't have to be an expert to say 'Allow my phone to reduce speed to extend battery life' or 'Always run at full speed'. You could even add a car analogy.
Which is why I pointed out that Apple has already said they are going to expose more battery data and power controls to the user.
Learn to read.
Freedom means accepting certain risks as a society.
That is all.
The problem with Apple is that they always feel they should make these decisions FOR people instead of telling them it is happening and letting them make the choice.
Most people enjoy Apple products precisely BECAUSE they don't HAVE to become an expert in things they really don't care about to use their products effectively. It doesn't make them "stupid", anymore than someone who doesn't care to know what goes on in their car's engine compartment is "stupid" because the car manufacturer "decided for them" what size radiator would be appropriate for their car's engine.
And, besides, Apple has already said they are going to provide much more detailed battery and performance information in subsequent versions of iOS, and will most likely make it a user-choice to accept Apple's attempts at keeping their device running with a degraded battery, or maybe even have some sort of "how much?" control over the performance adjustments.