And you can buy a full replacement battery kit for $25 from third parties.
Apple isn't doing their customers any kind of favor with this.
You're talking about a shitty aftermarket battery, that you will be lucky to get an additional YEAR out of.
And BTW, what are you paying yourself to replace that battery? How much experience do you have doing it? What's it worth to you to know hat Apple will fix anything their technicians accidently break. But if YOU accidently break something, THEN how cheap is that whole FOUR DOLLARS you "beat" mean-old profiteering Apple out-of?
And they are still looking to make a profit at the reduced cost of replacing the battery, just not as much as before.
And I'm sure their plan is if they are dragged screaming and kicking into court they will say 'well we did knock down the price of the replacement battery by $21, that that means we do listen to customers and we are a nice company'.
The class action may go ahead but will never amount to anything and reduce an SKU profit margin is not a punishment.
If you treally think that Apple is making ANY profit at $29, you need to show me EXACLY the proof of that statement.
While there are some people that would identify as "Left" that are pretty ridiculous and petty; they CERTAINLY don't have a stranglehold on conceit and narrowmindedness.
That is true; but if you are an unsophisticated computer hack like drinkypoo, you don't bother with niceties like circles on the screen that actually look and PRINT like circles, too...
I enjoy square pixels as much as the next guy, but I'm also used to doing without them. Growing up, I spent the most hours with one Amiga or another. (I'm about to sell an A1200...)
Never owned, or spent significant time with, any Amiga. Extremely sophisticated (and proprietary!) hardware; but a somewhat-shitty, unstable OS was my impression. Guru Meditation Errors, INDEED!
The OS WAS extremely multitasking, though! That's why I was contemplating embedding an A500 mobo in a stage lighting console I was designing back in the day...
I'd much rather they release the source to all the Apple ][ &// lines. Apple ][, ][+,//e,//e Platinum,//c ,//c Plus, and//GS. And anything else I missed.
They can keep the source to the Apple///.:)
While the first 2 revs. Of the Apple/// hardware had some PCB issues, the rev 3. Boards were rock-solid. Unfortunately, too late...
But as far as Apple SOS, it was actually QUITE nice, and I believe pieces parts of it were incorporated into what became both ProDOS for the Apple ][, and later, MacOS.
So much history (and transition of Apple as a company) involved in Lisa...
68k with custom memory map, two very funky disk interfaces (twiggy and pippin), big bitmapped display (rectangular, not square like the Macintosh)
As much as possible written in Pascal, designed and documented!
I'll call it the first large scale Apple project designed and built by engineers, particularly software engineers (the design part is important)
Yes, Apple/// SOS was designed and built by software professionals (Tom Root, Bob Etheredge, and many more), but not at all the scope of Lisa which went from the core OS out to the document model
Such incredible effort went into Lisa -- the origins of Quickdraw graphics (Atkinson), modeless text editing (Tesler), software design on a large scale, a document model rather than an app-centric model
Of course some issues (problems), such as applications software tied to the serial number of the machine, not enough RAM, not enough disk space, not enough CPU horsepower
And even though many of the foundations for the Macintosh came from Lisa (mouse, bitmapped screen, Quickdraw, overall engineering rigor), with very few exceptions, if you worked on Lisa, Steve considered you to be second rate (a view not shared by most of engineering)
Lisa also lead the way in other ways -- the locked-down, invitation only secrecy and internal isolation that was anathema to the Apple ][ and Apple/// worlds of that time, but which has come to define the current Apple.
Lisa was an amazing development, particularly at that time in Apple's history. I have so much respect for those people, and for the Apple/// team as well. At the time, the biggest knock both these projects took was not matching the (incredible for the time) sales volume of the Apple ][.
I saw this happen from across the street in Bandley 3... An incredible time at Apple, and in the computer racket.
(Apple Employee 1xxx)
Thanks for this!!!
Your story comports with the many stories I have read over the years.
I have had much experience with Lisas, Apple and Sun Mac XLs, and nearly every model of the Mac from the 128k-forward. Not to mention the Apple 1 and ][ (not so much the///, though...;-) ).
It is so weird that Jobs considered the Lisa, and those on the Project, as second-rate; but I have heard that from many sources that were there. But you are right that it was an incredible machine, and an absolute triumph of hardware and software integration. One of the most interesting example of that was Lisa's "Request to Shutdown" switch, that most people just treated as a Power button (and in fact, that's what it later became, effectively). But in a Lisa running 7/7, you could push that switch with a bunch of Documents Open, and it would nicely close them and then shutdown the machine. THEN, When you pushed the button to turn it back on. All the previously Open Apps and Documents would Open back up, with your cursor positioned just where you left it, etc. It is fascinating that this behavior was only recently brought back to the Mac, decades later...
I also have an Apple 1 that I have owned since 1977 (one owner)...
You are absolutely right that those were some incredible times both for the computerhood in general, and at Apple in particular...
You don't know what you're talking about. The Macintosh XL was most definitely a Lisa; it was Apple's way of getting rid of their leftover Lisas once they finally admitted that that platform was a failure and the Mac was the future.
The very first computer I ever bought was Macintosh XL -- a Lisa that was loaded with a (lousy) emulation of the Macintosh.
Before buying it I had a long list of questions (more than a dozen) that I took to the Apple store and posited to the top tech guy there - since I had lots of concerns about whether this was functionally equivalent to the Macintosh.
I bought it after getting his answers, every one of which was wrong.
It was a flakey system that crashed constantly doing ordinary tasks. I might have kept it if they had released the Lisa software and I could run it as a Lisa -- at that time they had stopped selling the Lisa so denying the ability to run the OS on the Mac XL did not advantage Apple in any way.
Instead I sold it to a guy who had a start-up turning Mac XL/Lisas into engineering workstations so that I could buy a real Macintosh (512). I still have that and it boots, but is not valuable as a collector's item since I went through a couple of rounds of board and case mods to upgrade it.
Speaking as someone with experience with Lisas, Mac XLs (Apple ones), Mac XLs (Sun Systems Remarketing's modified Lisas), and the original 128k Mac, I can tell you this:
128 k Macs were every bit as crash-happy (depending on the Application involved) as Mac XLs.
REAL Lisas, running 7/7 were fairly stable; but it was a VERY tightly-Integrated Office Suite (WAY ahead of its time!). But then, that was nearly IT when it came to true Lisa software.
I have logged hundreds of hours on Apple Mac XLs, and they are just as stable as 128k Macs. The Lisa hard drive is another matter, though...;-)
I have a long-time friend that had a Sun "Mac XL", and he used it as his main computer until he replaced it with a TiBook around 1999, over a decade later. It was still working, running (IIRC) MacOS 6.0.8, driving his HP LaserWriter 4M with PostScript over AppleTalk, with him using primarily MS Word 4.0 (he's a writer), when he stopped using it.
There's more to it than that. The hardware is different. A trivial example is that the display geometry is different.
That is true; but if you are an unsophisticated computer hack like drinkypoo, you don't bother with niceties like circles on the screen that actually look and PRINT like circles, too...
Boy, the Lisa had the best monochrome monitor on the planet! You could sit in front of it for hours without feeling monitor-fatigued. It had REALLY long persistence phosphors (plural), which would have made it useless for fast gaming; but boy was it nice for word-processing and artwork...
Have you seen all the extras you get with the various Samsung devices? We're not talking about a $5 pair of iBuds and a "free" USB dongle.
One of the offers for the Note 8 was either: 1) a free Gear 360 camera, or 2) a free 128GB memory card and Fast Wireless Charging Convertible
Another offer for the Galaxy S8 included the Desktop dock, Gear VR, etc. Hundreds of dollars of accessories -- it would be like if Apple offered it's $169 bluetooth AirPods for free, which will never happen.
Giveaways are the sure sign that a Company has no faith in the desirability of their product on its own, and/or the sales numbers suck.
Take your pick.
Apple doesn't generally do Giveaways because their products stand on their own. And before you are tempted to reply with some ridiculous, snarky remark about Apple Fanbois mindlessly lapping-up anything Apple sells, keep in mind we're talking about dozens and dozens of millions of units-sold. That's an AWFUL lot of "Fanbois". Perhaps maybe, just maybe, Apple's products are, wait for it... ACTUALLY DESIRABLE TO MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE!!!
Wasn't the Alto from 1973? Why did they wait four years to show it off? And I thought they only showed it off to Apple, privately? And basically sold the rights to the ideas to them because they couldn't figure out what to do with the expensive machine developed in their "dream labs"?
Also, "upstarts"? Is that the same as "startups"?
No, the Alto was kind of already in limited production by the time the Apple team got their tour of PARC.
Xerox did license/sell the rights to some of the GUI patents to them in exchange for $150 mil. (IIRC) in Apple Stock.
As an iphone user who has used android many times and found it didn't fit my needs or lifestyle, I can tell you exactly why this happened. For the same reason I don't have an iPhone X... PRICE. (as everyone goes, duh, but wait...) It's not about the price being high, it's about the price being imbalanced. Sure, I don't agree with it being a grand, but if it is going to be a grand then they shouldn't have a damned iMac 21 inch for only $99 more...
So, then, why should the Galaxy Note 8, which is MUCH slower than the iPhone X, be only $50 cheaper?
And you can't put an iMac in your pocket. Miniaturization is expensive.
I wouldn't be surprised that Apple will soon announce price cuts on the iPhone X. A US price of US$899 for the 64 GB model and $1,049 for the 256 GB model could happen as early as January 2018, and anyone who bought an iPhone X after December 1, 2017 couple possibly (though probably not likely) even get monetary compensation (either $100 rebate, $100 Apple Store gift certificate, or $100 iTunes card).
Why?
The GN8, which is dog-slow compared with the iPhone X, is on $50 less expensive. Why should the iPhone X be discounted?
So I guess the need for a $1000 phone is not as high as apple expected. Guess the disciples of Job's are growing up a bit? Or maybe their mommy's and daddy's are not willing to support their habit any longer.
Funny, Samsung must've made the exact-same calculation for the GN8. It is only $50 less than the iPhone X (which, at around $1k, is insignificant), and Samsung doesn't have to buy its display (probably the most expensive single component), and its Flash (another pricey component) from anyone else, like Apple does.
No one has pointed out that's for a "Factory Uncloked" LG phone yet? (Really, read the link.) LG phones are notoriously terrible. As are Samsung. If you want a good budget Android, reviews have been good for the OnePlus 5T. Costs less than half a new iPhone, but all the features you'd expect from a high-end Android phone.
Also worth mentioning that anyone buying a new iPhone is an idiots. Apple hasn't meaningfully updated them in years, which is why they had to resort to underclocking "old" iPhones to convince people to buy new ones.
Horseshit.
The iPhone X blows away the GN8 in every single benchmark. Doesn't just do better, but literally leaves it in the dust!
But I suppose Apple is secretly slowing down Samsung's phones, too, right?
Early adopters have historically supported development of technology so that the product can eventually become affordable. This process is no better or worse because it's a phone. You either like or dislike the new product. You either find the advancement worth the cost or you don't. There is absolutely no reason to call into question their moral standing because they don't agree with you.
The habitual Apple doomsayers are claiming with zero proof that iPhone X sales are below expectation. Even if that iPhone sales are down, nobody but Apple knows how it is spread over their (currently uncharacteristically large) number of iPhone models. Apple currently sells the X, the 8+ the 8, the 7+, the 7, the 6+, the 6 and the SE. So who's to say which model production is below expectations?
And, BTW, I can't seem to find any sales figures in units for Galaxy Note 8 sales, yet everyone seems to say they are "trouncing" Sales of the iPhone 8. Can't find any stories about GN8 vs iPhone X sales.
A $1000 phone? What exactly did they expect? There are only so many fanbois. If you want an iPhone that does the job, you get an iPhone SE. I still find that a bit pricey, but on the Android side you won’t find anything decent below that price point anyway and I like to get upgrades from the manufacturer for longer than six months. Something that is not a given with most Android phones. (The Google handsets are not available in my country)
The GN 8 is a "whopping" $50 less than an iPhone X. Yet no one seems to complain about THEIR price.
Buy your own spy equipment with FaceID and TouchID and always-on always-locating tech with your own money, not with ours.
Besides, why would I want a bigger phone with a camera?
Wake me when you issue the iPhone 9 SE, the iPhone 8 version intended for India and China, with a smaller form and none of the FaceID stuff I don't want.
And forget about that Watch stuff, if I want to wear jewelry, I'll buy it myself.
And of course your opinion should be everyone's. Got it!
Also the iPhones are going to have significantly more profit per volume and weight in shipping than the BMW. You could probably fit over 1000 iPhones in the volume of space it would take to ship a single car overseas and the shipment would probably still weigh less. Assuming apple taking $500 in profit per device and you potentially have $500,000 profit in the same place of a car that maybe brings in midish double digits thousands in profit.
The iPhone X and Galaxy Note 8 are $50 difference in price. Yet no one on Slashdot excoriates Samsung for the profit margin on their phones.
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And you can buy a full replacement battery kit for $25 from third parties.
Apple isn't doing their customers any kind of favor with this.
You're talking about a shitty aftermarket battery, that you will be lucky to get an additional YEAR out of.
And BTW, what are you paying yourself to replace that battery? How much experience do you have doing it? What's it worth to you to know hat Apple will fix anything their technicians accidently break. But if YOU accidently break something, THEN how cheap is that whole FOUR DOLLARS you "beat" mean-old profiteering Apple out-of?
You make absolutely ZERO real-world sense.
And they are still looking to make a profit at the reduced cost of replacing the battery, just not as much as before.
And I'm sure their plan is if they are dragged screaming and kicking into court they will say 'well we did knock down the price of the replacement battery by $21, that that means we do listen to customers and we are a nice company'.
The class action may go ahead but will never amount to anything and reduce an SKU profit margin is not a punishment.
If you treally think that Apple is making ANY profit at $29, you need to show me EXACLY the proof of that statement.
Pretty much describes the modern day Left, eh?
Universities, Democrats, Media.
Oh, please!
While there are some people that would identify as "Left" that are pretty ridiculous and petty; they CERTAINLY don't have a stranglehold on conceit and narrowmindedness.
1.2) A person who seeks to impose their views on others in a very autocratic or inflexible way.
Interesting, seems like everyone is a Nazi then.
Well, everyone who posts stuff on internet forums.
Except me, of course...
It looks like you're trying to hrew an IPA. Would you like help brewing an IPA?
LOL!!!
This is EXACTLY the Comment I came here to Post! (Including the choice of beer/ale type!)
That is true; but if you are an unsophisticated computer hack like drinkypoo, you don't bother with niceties like circles on the screen that actually look and PRINT like circles, too...
I enjoy square pixels as much as the next guy, but I'm also used to doing without them. Growing up, I spent the most hours with one Amiga or another. (I'm about to sell an A1200...)
Never owned, or spent significant time with, any Amiga. Extremely sophisticated (and proprietary!) hardware; but a somewhat-shitty, unstable OS was my impression. Guru Meditation Errors, INDEED!
The OS WAS extremely multitasking, though! That's why I was contemplating embedding an A500 mobo in a stage lighting console I was designing back in the day...
Isn't Apple afraid that Microsoft will steal that QuickDraw code?
Oh, wait...
I'd much rather they release the source to all the Apple ][ & // lines. Apple ][, ][+, //e, //e Platinum, //c , //c Plus, and //GS. And anything else I missed.
They can keep the source to the Apple ///. :)
While the first 2 revs. Of the Apple /// hardware had some PCB issues, the rev 3. Boards were rock-solid. Unfortunately, too late...
But as far as Apple SOS, it was actually QUITE nice, and I believe pieces parts of it were incorporated into what became both ProDOS for the Apple ][, and later, MacOS.
So much history (and transition of Apple as a company) involved in Lisa...
68k with custom memory map, two very funky disk interfaces (twiggy and pippin), big bitmapped display (rectangular, not square like the Macintosh)
As much as possible written in Pascal, designed and documented!
I'll call it the first large scale Apple project designed and built by engineers, particularly software engineers (the design part is important)
Yes, Apple /// SOS was designed and built by software professionals (Tom Root, Bob Etheredge, and many more), but not at all the scope of Lisa which went from the core OS out to the document model
Such incredible effort went into Lisa -- the origins of Quickdraw graphics (Atkinson), modeless text editing (Tesler), software design on a large scale, a document model rather than an app-centric model
Of course some issues (problems), such as applications software tied to the serial number of the machine, not enough RAM, not enough disk space, not enough CPU horsepower
And even though many of the foundations for the Macintosh came from Lisa (mouse, bitmapped screen, Quickdraw, overall engineering rigor), with very few exceptions, if you worked on Lisa, Steve considered you to be second rate (a view not shared by most of engineering)
Lisa also lead the way in other ways -- the locked-down, invitation only secrecy and internal isolation that was anathema to the Apple ][ and Apple /// worlds of that time, but which has come to define the current Apple.
Lisa was an amazing development, particularly at that time in Apple's history. I have so much respect for those people, and for the Apple /// team as well. At the time, the biggest knock both these projects took was not matching the (incredible for the time) sales volume of the Apple ][.
I saw this happen from across the street in Bandley 3... An incredible time at Apple, and in the computer racket.
(Apple Employee 1xxx)
Thanks for this!!!
Your story comports with the many stories I have read over the years.
I have had much experience with Lisas, Apple and Sun Mac XLs, and nearly every model of the Mac from the 128k-forward. Not to mention the Apple 1 and ][ (not so much the ///, though... ;-) ).
It is so weird that Jobs considered the Lisa, and those on the Project, as second-rate; but I have heard that from many sources that were there. But you are right that it was an incredible machine, and an absolute triumph of hardware and software integration. One of the most interesting example of that was Lisa's "Request to Shutdown" switch, that most people just treated as a Power button (and in fact, that's what it later became, effectively). But in a Lisa running 7/7, you could push that switch with a bunch of Documents Open, and it would nicely close them and then shutdown the machine. THEN, When you pushed the button to turn it back on. All the previously Open Apps and Documents would Open back up, with your cursor positioned just where you left it, etc. It is fascinating that this behavior was only recently brought back to the Mac, decades later...
I also have an Apple 1 that I have owned since 1977 (one owner)...
You are absolutely right that those were some incredible times both for the computerhood in general, and at Apple in particular...
You don't know what you're talking about. The Macintosh XL was most definitely a Lisa; it was Apple's way of getting rid of their leftover Lisas once they finally admitted that that platform was a failure and the Mac was the future.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_XL
They were NOT stock Lisas. They had modified display hardware, and of course ran MacOS, not LisaOS.
The very first computer I ever bought was Macintosh XL -- a Lisa that was loaded with a (lousy) emulation of the Macintosh.
Before buying it I had a long list of questions (more than a dozen) that I took to the Apple store and posited to the top tech guy there - since I had lots of concerns about whether this was functionally equivalent to the Macintosh.
I bought it after getting his answers, every one of which was wrong.
It was a flakey system that crashed constantly doing ordinary tasks. I might have kept it if they had released the Lisa software and I could run it as a Lisa -- at that time they had stopped selling the Lisa so denying the ability to run the OS on the Mac XL did not advantage Apple in any way.
Instead I sold it to a guy who had a start-up turning Mac XL/Lisas into engineering workstations so that I could buy a real Macintosh (512). I still have that and it boots, but is not valuable as a collector's item since I went through a couple of rounds of board and case mods to upgrade it.
Speaking as someone with experience with Lisas, Mac XLs (Apple ones), Mac XLs (Sun Systems Remarketing's modified Lisas), and the original 128k Mac, I can tell you this:
128 k Macs were every bit as crash-happy (depending on the Application involved) as Mac XLs.
REAL Lisas, running 7/7 were fairly stable; but it was a VERY tightly-Integrated Office Suite (WAY ahead of its time!). But then, that was nearly IT when it came to true Lisa software.
I have logged hundreds of hours on Apple Mac XLs, and they are just as stable as 128k Macs. The Lisa hard drive is another matter, though... ;-)
I have a long-time friend that had a Sun "Mac XL", and he used it as his main computer until he replaced it with a TiBook around 1999, over a decade later. It was still working, running (IIRC) MacOS 6.0.8, driving his HP LaserWriter 4M with PostScript over AppleTalk, with him using primarily MS Word 4.0 (he's a writer), when he stopped using it.
There's more to it than that. The hardware is different. A trivial example is that the display geometry is different.
That is true; but if you are an unsophisticated computer hack like drinkypoo, you don't bother with niceties like circles on the screen that actually look and PRINT like circles, too...
Boy, the Lisa had the best monochrome monitor on the planet! You could sit in front of it for hours without feeling monitor-fatigued. It had REALLY long persistence phosphors (plural), which would have made it useless for fast gaming; but boy was it nice for word-processing and artwork...
Have you seen all the extras you get with the various Samsung devices? We're not talking about a $5 pair of iBuds and a "free" USB dongle.
One of the offers for the Note 8 was either:
1) a free Gear 360 camera, or
2) a free 128GB memory card and Fast Wireless Charging Convertible
Another offer for the Galaxy S8 included the Desktop dock, Gear VR, etc. Hundreds of dollars of accessories -- it would be like if Apple offered it's $169 bluetooth AirPods for free, which will never happen.
Giveaways are the sure sign that a Company has no faith in the desirability of their product on its own, and/or the sales numbers suck.
Take your pick.
Apple doesn't generally do Giveaways because their products stand on their own. And before you are tempted to reply with some ridiculous, snarky remark about Apple Fanbois mindlessly lapping-up anything Apple sells, keep in mind we're talking about dozens and dozens of millions of units-sold. That's an AWFUL lot of "Fanbois". Perhaps maybe, just maybe, Apple's products are, wait for it... ACTUALLY DESIRABLE TO MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE!!!
Nah, that CAN'T be it, right?
Moron.
Wasn't the Alto from 1973? Why did they wait four years to show it off? And I thought they only showed it off to Apple, privately? And basically sold the rights to the ideas to them because they couldn't figure out what to do with the expensive machine developed in their "dream labs"?
Also, "upstarts"? Is that the same as "startups"?
No, the Alto was kind of already in limited production by the time the Apple team got their tour of PARC.
Xerox did license/sell the rights to some of the GUI patents to them in exchange for $150 mil. (IIRC) in Apple Stock.
With little to no growth or mainly declining market share from hereon?
Yeah, that's Apple: Proudly going out of business for over FORTY years!
As an iphone user who has used android many times and found it didn't fit my needs or lifestyle, I can tell you exactly why this happened.
For the same reason I don't have an iPhone X... PRICE. (as everyone goes, duh, but wait...)
It's not about the price being high, it's about the price being imbalanced. Sure, I don't agree with it being a grand, but if it is going to be a grand then they shouldn't have a damned iMac 21 inch for only $99 more...
So, then, why should the Galaxy Note 8, which is MUCH slower than the iPhone X, be only $50 cheaper?
And you can't put an iMac in your pocket. Miniaturization is expensive.
I wouldn't be surprised that Apple will soon announce price cuts on the iPhone X. A US price of US$899 for the 64 GB model and $1,049 for the 256 GB model could happen as early as January 2018, and anyone who bought an iPhone X after December 1, 2017 couple possibly (though probably not likely) even get monetary compensation (either $100 rebate, $100 Apple Store gift certificate, or $100 iTunes card).
Why?
The GN8, which is dog-slow compared with the iPhone X, is on $50 less expensive. Why should the iPhone X be discounted?
Oh, I know: Because you think so...
So I guess the need for a $1000 phone is not as high as apple expected. Guess the disciples of Job's are growing up a bit? Or maybe their mommy's and daddy's are not willing to support their habit any longer.
Funny, Samsung must've made the exact-same calculation for the GN8. It is only $50 less than the iPhone X (which, at around $1k, is insignificant), and Samsung doesn't have to buy its display (probably the most expensive single component), and its Flash (another pricey component) from anyone else, like Apple does.
No one has pointed out that's for a "Factory Uncloked" LG phone yet? (Really, read the link.) LG phones are notoriously terrible. As are Samsung. If you want a good budget Android, reviews have been good for the OnePlus 5T. Costs less than half a new iPhone, but all the features you'd expect from a high-end Android phone.
Also worth mentioning that anyone buying a new iPhone is an idiots. Apple hasn't meaningfully updated them in years, which is why they had to resort to underclocking "old" iPhones to convince people to buy new ones.
Horseshit.
The iPhone X blows away the GN8 in every single benchmark. Doesn't just do better, but literally leaves it in the dust!
But I suppose Apple is secretly slowing down Samsung's phones, too, right?
Moron.
Early adopters have historically supported development of technology so that the product can eventually become affordable. This process is no better or worse because it's a phone. You either like or dislike the new product. You either find the advancement worth the cost or you don't. There is absolutely no reason to call into question their moral standing because they don't agree with you.
Perfectly stated.
The habitual Apple doomsayers are claiming with zero proof that iPhone X sales are below expectation. Even if that iPhone sales are down, nobody but Apple knows how it is spread over their (currently uncharacteristically large) number of iPhone models. Apple currently sells the X, the 8+ the 8, the 7+, the 7, the 6+, the 6 and the SE. So who's to say which model production is below expectations?
http://bgr.com/2017/12/26/ipho...
Precisely.
And, BTW, I can't seem to find any sales figures in units for Galaxy Note 8 sales, yet everyone seems to say they are "trouncing" Sales of the iPhone 8. Can't find any stories about GN8 vs iPhone X sales.
Why?
A $1000 phone? What exactly did they expect? There are only so many fanbois. If you want an iPhone that does the job, you get an iPhone SE. I still find that a bit pricey, but on the Android side you won’t find anything decent below that price point anyway and I like to get upgrades from the manufacturer for longer than six months. Something that is not a given with most Android phones. (The Google handsets are not available in my country)
The GN 8 is a "whopping" $50 less than an iPhone X. Yet no one seems to complain about THEIR price.
Why?
No the unheard of part is large downgrade in forecast from both apple and analysts so early in a products life. learn to read retard.
No, both large downgrade in forecast from analysts and claims of downgrades from Apple are what we see every fucking year.
Exactly.
Buy your own spy equipment with FaceID and TouchID and always-on always-locating tech with your own money, not with ours.
Besides, why would I want a bigger phone with a camera?
Wake me when you issue the iPhone 9 SE, the iPhone 8 version intended for India and China, with a smaller form and none of the FaceID stuff I don't want.
And forget about that Watch stuff, if I want to wear jewelry, I'll buy it myself.
And of course your opinion should be everyone's. Got it!
Also the iPhones are going to have significantly more profit per volume and weight in shipping than the BMW. You could probably fit over 1000 iPhones in the volume of space it would take to ship a single car overseas and the shipment would probably still weigh less. Assuming apple taking $500 in profit per device and you potentially have $500,000 profit in the same place of a car that maybe brings in midish double digits thousands in profit.
The iPhone X and Galaxy Note 8 are $50 difference in price. Yet no one on Slashdot excoriates Samsung for the profit margin on their phones.
Why?