I'm just asking for flames by posting this, but I'm curious, why would a company want to go open source? I mean, a company is ONLY in existence to make money, and if it happens to be a software company (let's say Microsoft for some interesting "discussion" hehehe) that's means their cheif product is software. How do you intended to make more money, by giving out something for free? Yes, you can make money with support, but why not make money with support AND software? Or say I make "Really nify program 2000". I could A: Give it out for free and have other people improve it or B: Sell it for X dollars and go buy some new computer hardware. I personally would take the computer hardware anyday. Sure, my software could get better, but I'll remain poor. I know that some of you will say that I should code because I like to code, but I like to eat too. Am I selfish, probally, but I think most of the world is too. Another example, Red Hat. Yes, they are succesfull, but think about if they weren't open source, and made you buy their "Red Hatix". Then they could get even more money then they did by just selling "Red Hatix" to people who were new to "Red Hatix". I guess I just don't understand why someone would OS their software, when they could sell it. I think it's this thinking that keeps most companies from going Open Source, they don't see (like me) what's in it for them, financially.
PS. Please don't call me a c*ck sucking *sswhore because I don't see the point of Open Source, it only pushes me (and other who are still undecided) farther and farther away from it. Fight my "stupidy" with facts, not FUD.
That would be a good idea, except that would create too many possibilities. A domain name is used because it's easy to remember. Otherwise why have one? With all those possible variations, a company would get stuck with a name that no one new..com is engrained in America's mind, and that's the first thing they think off when they type in an address. I know when I first heard about Slashdot, I tried slashdot.com first, then slashdot.net, and finally slashdot.org. And under your proposed idea, it might be slashdot.linuxnerds or something. And I'd have never guessed that. I guess a company could market it good enough (come to amazon.books!) but it won't be the first thing that someone has in mind when they type in an address.
Haven't we been over this? I use my floppy drive a lot. Mostly to boot up Linux, and then also to transfer HTML documents and source code from school to home. While floppy are small, they are on almost every computer, which gives it a HUGE user base. I guess for a business it's totally dead, but for the home, well, not quite.
I've had those same experiances in the/. chat room. Someone was saying that if you used Red Hat, you weren't worthy of using Linux. And then others bash Mandrake in this article because it's just Red Hat with improvements, or they say it's an exact rip-off of Linux. This is the type of thing that you don't want people who are interested in Linux to see. If all they see is bashing, and "I'm better than you" arguements, than they'll think Linux is for a bunch of fools. I think it should be mandetory for all Linux users to read the Advocacy How-To to stop scaring off people. I know when I was trying to find out info about Linux, I was turned off by people saying MS sucked because they were MS, and everyone who used MS products was an idiot. I myself have written a article on Linux advocacy if anyone wants to read it.
I agree. While AMD chips do have the backwards compatibility, which is better than the Merced, it's achilles heel will be that the two are not compatible. And if someone was designing software, they make it for the largest user base, which would most likely be Intel. It's like Windows and Linux. Windows gets much more software than Linux because it has a much larger user base. AMD is taking a very risky move that could kill the company if it doesn't work, or kill Intel if it does. Only time will tell.
From what I understand, they made the name Pentium because of copyright issues. Apparently a bunch of small no name chip competitors were trying to pass off their chips that had 486 on them, as Intel chips. People would see the 486, and assume it was an Intel chip, when it might not be. So Intel named the 586 the Pentium so those companies couldnt' trick consumers as easily.
That was the point of the link, to give an example of when CAD would have to be used. I guess I should have explained what would happen better though. Sorry if I caused any fustration.
I'm learning C as a Junior. I'm behind the normal schedule though because I moved this year, and my old school and new school have their system set up differently. At my old school, it was BASIC as a Junior, and then Computer Science AP (C) as a Senior. But due to lack of intrest, they were considering cutting CS AP out. At my new school, you learn BASIC as a Freshman, and C for the next three years cummulating with CS AP. I have learned in a lot so far in there though because I had done very little programming before this year. All I did was just a little Visual Basic and programming math equations into my TI-86. But as I understand it, the teacher sucks once you get past the basics. The CS department is horrible at my school. We get old crappy machines that have network cards, yet aren't networked. And because we fall under the math department, we get jack diddly in funds. And this is the first year that school has had a computer club, which really suprised me.
The real kicker is my Web Design 2 class. We have a total of 4 computers with browsers on them, and I can only use one of them, that I have to share with 5 other kids. All the other computers are just for the "advanced" students (A bunch of BS by the teacher, I'm new, so I'm automatically not advanced). That leaves about 10 Win3.1 computers for me to write the HTML on. And there is no internet connection in the room, she has to take them home to upload our files onto the server. She's promised us new computers and that she'd network them all together, but I still haven't seen it happening, and I doubt it ever will. She's also incompetent as a teacher, saying that computer programing was invented after HTML. Uh huh.
It's sorta funny that the sports get all the money, yet they say academics is the most important. If that were so true, they would have "academic pep-rallys". Of course, most of the student body would think it's dumb, but at least the school board will be telling the truth that academics is more important. The way I figure it, it's us smart and technical guys who make most of the money, so we pay more taxes, so the school gets more money from us. I don't think we're being represented fairly.
Exactly. Sure, to the people who know being a hacker isn't neccasary bad, but to the general public, it is. And since the general public is the majority, the word meaning gets changed. You can hang on to the original definitions, but don't expect the rest of the world to follow suit. It's just one of those things.
I don't think Pepsi does this, but I remember reading an article in the newspaper once about how some restraunts would give you free meals for life if you got a tatoo of their restraunt name/symbol on your forearm. Some of the designs were actually pretty good, for a tatoo, and they got quite a few people to get them. I would never do it though.
How do you stop one of these things? If you're rolling down a hill at a fair clip of speed, how do you intend to make it stop? I don't think a person would want to get in front of it and get ran over, and you can just jump out. I guess the only solution is find a REALLY long flat landing area.
Like I posted above somewhere, my dad looked at one in a computer shop somewhere, and he said it wasn't that loud at all. He said it was quieter than our computer now, which isn't that loud either. I wouldn't worry about it.
They do that because most games and gamers use Windows, and so that pertains the most to them. These sites are for the high speed power users, and most people like power for one thing, games. They are just serving their market.
That's just what Tom tested it at. If you buy the system, you can put whatever you want on it. The thing only comes with a mobo, chip, cooling system, and case. You add the other stuff. Whenever we get one, we'll take our current SCSI Ultra 2 Wide out, and put in in the Kryotech one, put in 512 MB of RAM, and a GeForce card, and then I'll have one kick ass machine.:-)
I haven't heard one myself, but my dad was looking at one in some computer shop, and he said it was pretty quiet. He said it was quieter than our current one, which isn't too loud. It was one of the major concerns for my dad because we are hopefully getting one of those in the Spring, so we wanted to make sure it wouldn't keep my parents up when I'm using it at 3 in the morning:-)
Yes, those are right. I'd just like to emphasis how incredibly popular they are. You old guys who don't have kids wouldn't understand, but I have a brother that's 12. He's obsessed over Pokemon. Wears Pokemon shirts, plays all the games, buys the merchandise, and buys the cards. And that is extremelly common for his age group and below. In the above post, it mentioned the Pokemon movie. It really wouldn't suprise me if that turned out to be a top 10 movie. Think about it, you have millions of kids that HAVE to go to it, and since they can't drive, the parents have to go along. It'll definitly beat the pants off Toy Story 2 that will be released only a week later. And then there's people like my brother, who will see it 20 times. Never underestimate the power of Pokemon.
I agree. This is more of a article about MS's usability studies. It has brought on a lot of talk about how hard Linux is for the newbie and until then 100% Windows user. It sorta echos my experiance with Linux, and I can attest that this caller is no different than what any other newbie would ask.
Not quite. Some of the font in my distro at least is really messed up. A good example is any UBB. Looks fine in Netscape for Windows, but in Linux, the text is incredibly tiny and hard to read. And considering I do spend a lot of time on those type of boards, it's really annoying.
I'm with MS in this one. My theory is they are hiring clueless newbies and/or established Windows users to test out Linux, to see how the average person would respond to it. And this phone converstation is not suprising at all. I speak from experiance, I've used Windows since about Win 3.1 and never really had to do anything with DOS. I'm a teenager, so I like to install lot's of crap, so that's important too. Reading/. day after day about how great and almightly Linux is, I decided to try it out. I thankfully read a lot about it, so when it came to install I knew to reboot my machine to boot into CD (I mention this only because of a kid in my class who was suprised when a Linux install program didn't start when he popped in his Red Hat CD in Windows), and wasn't totally confused of what/dev/hda2 meant. But will the average Windows user know that? Maybe, maybe not. Ok, so I finally get it running, and I agree again with the MS guy, it IS harder to install, at least if you're used to Windows. If people switch, I guarentee the tech support lines will be swamped with calls complaining about having to use a command prompt, people wondering where the.exe extension is, and just how to do the simple redundent tasks that everyone uses everyday. I still have problems installing some programs a month after I've installed it, and sometimes it does inexplicably screw up on me and just stop working. Sure it's my fault, but what's to say that some other clueless newbie won't do the same thing? And I doubt they'll be as patient as me, they'll just erase it and go to Windows only again. Linux has it's place in the computer world, I see how come you like it. But I think that Windows is the better choice for newbies, and I think a lot of new Linux users who used to use Windows will get fustrated at Linux. And if you really must know, I do prefer Windows over Linux, and part of that reason is I already know how to do everything that's neccasary for me in Windows, and a lot of things just seem simpler in Windows.
Disclamier: I do not hate Linux. I think it's a good OS depending on what you want to do. I just feel like MS is a better choice for a newbie and for me
That might be very true, but I'll get back to that. First, if Linux want's to rule the Desktop, then it WILL be dealing with past Windows users. And I guarentee they'll balk at having to type all that stuff in instead of hitting a.exe icon. I know I do/did. But let's say someone is totally new to computers. I'll bet that they would prefer clicking an icon and answering 3 questions, that really don't require thinking about, and having it all do it for them and then a nice big icon on their desktop, all put there automatically. Maybe this is what MS was doing, seeing how a complete newbie faired in Windows or Linux.
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Maybe there won't even be a problem with this. Hardly anyone votes nowdays anyway.
In 2004 15% of Americas voted on the presidency
In 2008 7% of Americans voted on the presidency
In 2012 there was no election.
I'm just asking for flames by posting this, but I'm curious, why would a company want to go open source? I mean, a company is ONLY in existence to make money, and if it happens to be a software company (let's say Microsoft for some interesting "discussion" hehehe) that's means their cheif product is software. How do you intended to make more money, by giving out something for free? Yes, you can make money with support, but why not make money with support AND software? Or say I make "Really nify program 2000". I could
A: Give it out for free and have other people improve it
or
B: Sell it for X dollars and go buy some new computer hardware.
I personally would take the computer hardware anyday. Sure, my software could get better, but I'll remain poor. I know that some of you will say that I should code because I like to code, but I like to eat too. Am I selfish, probally, but I think most of the world is too. Another example, Red Hat. Yes, they are succesfull, but think about if they weren't open source, and made you buy their "Red Hatix". Then they could get even more money then they did by just selling "Red Hatix" to people who were new to "Red Hatix". I guess I just don't understand why someone would OS their software, when they could sell it. I think it's this thinking that keeps most companies from going Open Source, they don't see (like me) what's in it for them, financially.
PS. Please don't call me a c*ck sucking *sswhore because I don't see the point of Open Source, it only pushes me (and other who are still undecided) farther and farther away from it. Fight my "stupidy" with facts, not FUD.
That would be a good idea, except that would create too many possibilities. A domain name is used because it's easy to remember. Otherwise why have one? With all those possible variations, a company would get stuck with a name that no one new. .com is engrained in America's mind, and that's the first thing they think off when they type in an address. I know when I first heard about Slashdot, I tried slashdot.com first, then slashdot.net, and finally slashdot.org. And under your proposed idea, it might be slashdot.linuxnerds or something. And I'd have never guessed that. I guess a company could market it good enough (come to amazon.books!) but it won't be the first thing that someone has in mind when they type in an address.
Slashdot, with forum2000 applied to it: http://www.forum2000.o rg/Gateway/www.slashdot.org/index.html
Haven't we been over this? I use my floppy drive a lot. Mostly to boot up Linux, and then also to transfer HTML documents and source code from school to home. While floppy are small, they are on almost every computer, which gives it a HUGE user base. I guess for a business it's totally dead, but for the home, well, not quite.
I've had those same experiances in the /. chat room. Someone was saying that if you used Red Hat, you weren't worthy of using Linux. And then others bash Mandrake in this article because it's just Red Hat with improvements, or they say it's an exact rip-off of Linux. This is the type of thing that you don't want people who are interested in Linux to see. If all they see is bashing, and "I'm better than you" arguements, than they'll think Linux is for a bunch of fools. I think it should be mandetory for all Linux users to read the Advocacy How-To to stop scaring off people. I know when I was trying to find out info about Linux, I was turned off by people saying MS sucked because they were MS, and everyone who used MS products was an idiot. I myself have written a article on Linux advocacy if anyone wants to read it.
I agree. While AMD chips do have the backwards compatibility, which is better than the Merced, it's achilles heel will be that the two are not compatible. And if someone was designing software, they make it for the largest user base, which would most likely be Intel. It's like Windows and Linux. Windows gets much more software than Linux because it has a much larger user base. AMD is taking a very risky move that could kill the company if it doesn't work, or kill Intel if it does. Only time will tell.
From what I understand, they made the name Pentium because of copyright issues. Apparently a bunch of small no name chip competitors were trying to pass off their chips that had 486 on them, as Intel chips. People would see the 486, and assume it was an Intel chip, when it might not be. So Intel named the 586 the Pentium so those companies couldnt' trick consumers as easily.
Someone needs to fix the HTML tag. The real URL can be found here
That was the point of the link, to give an example of when CAD would have to be used. I guess I should have explained what would happen better though. Sorry if I caused any fustration.
It's used to kill a program that has crashed. Or for an example, if you went here, you would have to use CAD to regain control of your desktop.
I'm learning C as a Junior. I'm behind the normal schedule though because I moved this year, and my old school and new school have their system set up differently. At my old school, it was BASIC as a Junior, and then Computer Science AP (C) as a Senior. But due to lack of intrest, they were considering cutting CS AP out. At my new school, you learn BASIC as a Freshman, and C for the next three years cummulating with CS AP. I have learned in a lot so far in there though because I had done very little programming before this year. All I did was just a little Visual Basic and programming math equations into my TI-86. But as I understand it, the teacher sucks once you get past the basics. The CS department is horrible at my school. We get old crappy machines that have network cards, yet aren't networked. And because we fall under the math department, we get jack diddly in funds. And this is the first year that school has had a computer club, which really suprised me.
The real kicker is my Web Design 2 class. We have a total of 4 computers with browsers on them, and I can only use one of them, that I have to share with 5 other kids. All the other computers are just for the "advanced" students (A bunch of BS by the teacher, I'm new, so I'm automatically not advanced). That leaves about 10 Win3.1 computers for me to write the HTML on. And there is no internet connection in the room, she has to take them home to upload our files onto the server. She's promised us new computers and that she'd network them all together, but I still haven't seen it happening, and I doubt it ever will. She's also incompetent as a teacher, saying that computer programing was invented after HTML. Uh huh.
It's sorta funny that the sports get all the money, yet they say academics is the most important. If that were so true, they would have "academic pep-rallys". Of course, most of the student body would think it's dumb, but at least the school board will be telling the truth that academics is more important. The way I figure it, it's us smart and technical guys who make most of the money, so we pay more taxes, so the school gets more money from us. I don't think we're being represented fairly.
Exactly. Sure, to the people who know being a hacker isn't neccasary bad, but to the general public, it is. And since the general public is the majority, the word meaning gets changed. You can hang on to the original definitions, but don't expect the rest of the world to follow suit. It's just one of those things.
I don't think Pepsi does this, but I remember reading an article in the newspaper once about how some restraunts would give you free meals for life if you got a tatoo of their restraunt name/symbol on your forearm. Some of the designs were actually pretty good, for a tatoo, and they got quite a few people to get them. I would never do it though.
How do you stop one of these things? If you're rolling down a hill at a fair clip of speed, how do you intend to make it stop? I don't think a person would want to get in front of it and get ran over, and you can just jump out. I guess the only solution is find a REALLY long flat landing area.
Like I posted above somewhere, my dad looked at one in a computer shop somewhere, and he said it wasn't that loud at all. He said it was quieter than our computer now, which isn't that loud either. I wouldn't worry about it.
They do that because most games and gamers use Windows, and so that pertains the most to them. These sites are for the high speed power users, and most people like power for one thing, games. They are just serving their market.
That's just what Tom tested it at. If you buy the system, you can put whatever you want on it. The thing only comes with a mobo, chip, cooling system, and case. You add the other stuff. Whenever we get one, we'll take our current SCSI Ultra 2 Wide out, and put in in the Kryotech one, put in 512 MB of RAM, and a GeForce card, and then I'll have one kick ass machine. :-)
I haven't heard one myself, but my dad was looking at one in some computer shop, and he said it was pretty quiet. He said it was quieter than our current one, which isn't too loud. It was one of the major concerns for my dad because we are hopefully getting one of those in the Spring, so we wanted to make sure it wouldn't keep my parents up when I'm using it at 3 in the morning :-)
Yes, those are right. I'd just like to emphasis how incredibly popular they are. You old guys who don't have kids wouldn't understand, but I have a brother that's 12. He's obsessed over Pokemon. Wears Pokemon shirts, plays all the games, buys the merchandise, and buys the cards. And that is extremelly common for his age group and below. In the above post, it mentioned the Pokemon movie. It really wouldn't suprise me if that turned out to be a top 10 movie. Think about it, you have millions of kids that HAVE to go to it, and since they can't drive, the parents have to go along. It'll definitly beat the pants off Toy Story 2 that will be released only a week later. And then there's people like my brother, who will see it 20 times. Never underestimate the power of Pokemon.
I agree. This is more of a article about MS's usability studies. It has brought on a lot of talk about how hard Linux is for the newbie and until then 100% Windows user. It sorta echos my experiance with Linux, and I can attest that this caller is no different than what any other newbie would ask.
Not quite. Some of the font in my distro at least is really messed up. A good example is any UBB. Looks fine in Netscape for Windows, but in Linux, the text is incredibly tiny and hard to read. And considering I do spend a lot of time on those type of boards, it's really annoying.
I'm with MS in this one. My theory is they are hiring clueless newbies and/or established Windows users to test out Linux, to see how the average person would respond to it. And this phone converstation is not suprising at all. I speak from experiance, I've used Windows since about Win 3.1 and never really had to do anything with DOS. I'm a teenager, so I like to install lot's of crap, so that's important too. Reading /. day after day about how great and almightly Linux is, I decided to try it out. I thankfully read a lot about it, so when it came to install I knew to reboot my machine to boot into CD (I mention this only because of a kid in my class who was suprised when a Linux install program didn't start when he popped in his Red Hat CD in Windows), and wasn't totally confused of what /dev/hda2 meant. But will the average Windows user know that? Maybe, maybe not. Ok, so I finally get it running, and I agree again with the MS guy, it IS harder to install, at least if you're used to Windows. If people switch, I guarentee the tech support lines will be swamped with calls complaining about having to use a command prompt, people wondering where the .exe extension is, and just how to do the simple redundent tasks that everyone uses everyday. I still have problems installing some programs a month after I've installed it, and sometimes it does inexplicably screw up on me and just stop working. Sure it's my fault, but what's to say that some other clueless newbie won't do the same thing? And I doubt they'll be as patient as me, they'll just erase it and go to Windows only again. Linux has it's place in the computer world, I see how come you like it. But I think that Windows is the better choice for newbies, and I think a lot of new Linux users who used to use Windows will get fustrated at Linux. And if you really must know, I do prefer Windows over Linux, and part of that reason is I already know how to do everything that's neccasary for me in Windows, and a lot of things just seem simpler in Windows.
Disclamier: I do not hate Linux. I think it's a good OS depending on what you want to do. I just feel like MS is a better choice for a newbie and for me
That might be very true, but I'll get back to that. First, if Linux want's to rule the Desktop, then it WILL be dealing with past Windows users. And I guarentee they'll balk at having to type all that stuff in instead of hitting a .exe icon. I know I do/did. But let's say someone is totally new to computers. I'll bet that they would prefer clicking an icon and answering 3 questions, that really don't require thinking about, and having it all do it for them and then a nice big icon on their desktop, all put there automatically. Maybe this is what MS was doing, seeing how a complete newbie faired in Windows or Linux.
That reminds me of a "sig" I once saw (it was actually a list of them): I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally