I know a lot of bulshit artists I mean social engineers. It doesn't matter how smooth you are, eventually you get to the point where you think you can get away with anything, and encounter a situation where no amount of bullshit will work.
Social engineering is a handy skill I grant you, but it's a skill to use as a LAST resort not a first one. That officer whose ego you were trying to stroke may very well turn around and make an example out of you any way. Perhaps he's having trouble at home or just plain having a bad day. You could stroke his ego till it turned blue and you'd still see the inside of a Paddy wagon, and perhaps be up on charges for attempting to resist or mislead the officer.
Just look at Mitnick. He was an expert at it. It worked very well time after time. Too bad in the end it got him in jail for a few years.
They had a moronic school willing to proceed with this stupidity, and they're still at this school I presume? Going to a school where those in power have a severe mental handicap doesn't sound like good news to me. Having the possibility of a felony raised and it taking THIS LONG to and public uproar to dismiss this stupidity doesn't seem like good news to me.
Good news would be the principal and any police involved in this over-reaction getting an official reprimand.
No you're living proof that if you restrict yourself heavily, you can make yourself feel good about being "ethical about your purchases". Had you actually wanted to play games or do CAD you'd be screwed! You just happen not to care about these things. To others they may be vital - hell they may even be the reason they bought a computer in the first place.
This Linux elitism just doesn't seem to change. "I don't have a problem doing what I want to so if you do you must be an idiot" is not going to make you any friends (or Linux converts)
Hate to get into metaphysics, but a scientific hypothesis or theory is only going to be able to predict a very restricted set of things.
People often quote Newton's physics as being "proved wrong" by Einstein's relativity (and those same people often barely understand the limits of relativity with respect to the quantum mechanical world). However Newtonian physics is good enough for most (though not all) space mission planning since it's still quite accurate so long as you don't get near a large gravity well like the sun or travel too fast. So Newtonian physics isn't "wrong" it's just accurate to within a certain margin and useful under less general conditions than previously thought.
That's what these non scientifically trained creationalist types miss. There is no right or wrong theory, even though that's how the popular scientific press reports it. There is only the ability of a theory to predict what can happen (or has happened) based on a set of conditions, and an accuracy under a given set of conditions. Newtonian physics is no more "wrong" than eating salad is. You just can't misuse it by applying it to the wrong set of conditions (don't eat that salad if you're allergic to the ingredients).
It is both newsworthy and topical. Outsourcing was a huge trend for the last while (though there's signs its slowing). Here is an unintended negative outcome from that decision affecting one of the largest IT companies on the planet. How is that not newsworthy???
calm down there. You're basically advocating/. censor anything remotely controvertial. I doubt that a majority of/. users would like that.
Actually this is an interesting take on the cost of outsourcing in general. I see this as a valid point, and not one that I'd considered before: what happens when an employee brings a disease into the country? Who wears the costs? What's the civil/criminal liability of putting pressure on someone to come work if they're sick. Are existing safeguards enough etc. etc. etc.
The problem here is people don't know how to have a healthy discussion and separate discussion from personal attack.
If I was him, I would fire my IT staff and find people that don't need to be hand held every step of the way.
Mr Trump is that you? I thought so. Thank goodness I don't work for you anymore. Firing me is the best thing you ever did because you're an arrogant narrow minded sod that doesn't understand what your own businesses are about.
I think you mean find a better job and once secured, quit your current job.
Some people have bills to pay, familes to feed etc. and it sounds like you found work before dumping the current job. Always the best way to do it. Make a serious effort at looking for better work!
Yes. Not to be stereotypical, but he is a manager. In a perfect world, he would have tech skills, but he doesn't. So he manages.
Oh man there's SO much wrong with that statement I don't know where to begin.
I've had managers that were ex-techy and they've always been the best to work for. Sure they were too rusty to be writing code but they understand technical difficulties when explained in broad strokes, and could spot a flaw in an argument. I'm lucky enough to be in a job where both my managers are ex-techy and very good at what they do.
By contrast I've worked for managers who didn't know what winzip was or how to unzip something. They were easily misled by vendors and contractors, and focused their attention on things that just plain didn't matter from a business point of view. My approach has been to spend some time educating/steering them to the right area, and some time working around them. I've been reasonably successful but I tell you it's no substitute for having a manager that has a clue what they're talking about.
It's like having a captain at the helm of a large oil tanker that knows nothing of basic seamenship. They rely on their underlings to do their job well, and fake their way through it but good luck if the underlings don't agree on the right course of action, or if you come into a real emergency!
Population growth helps feed market growth. If we run out of room for population growth, THEN we're in trouble. We're no where near that here in America
So your system relies on INCREASING the world's population? You want everywhere to be like China, and "THEN we're in trouble". Oh yeah I want to live in your world.
Not true. The people who stand to gain the most are the ones who are not rich yet
How the hell do you expect to get rich when your job pays so little you can't afford to pick yourself back up if you get ill?
They are worth what they are getting. If they were worth more, they'd get more. Economic worth is determined by what someone will pay, nothing more.
Then none of us is worth anything because, as globalization continues, you can always find someone poorer who'll gladly take on the job instead of starve. What do you earn per hour you hypocrite?
I am actually...but...Well I bet you're bad at insults.
I'm asking questions that the computer illiterate DoD person can't answer.
You're talking to the wrong person at the DoD then.
Or are you to high on your horse to admit you don't know? If anything else may I recommend you try not to talk trash in situations in which you assume?
I freely admit I don't know. No high horse there. But I do understand the basic concept of a SECRET. You don't seem to understand that informing the world you have something of value to secure is not the best way to begin, and that you've made your system less secure from the get go by opening your mouth about it. I DO understand what a secret is. My assessment still stands.
That's idiotic. Being a CEO is not akin to being a genius. It certainly requires a different set of experience and skill than being a techy, but that doesn't make them smarter or necessarily worth more. I've known CEOs that have successful family lives too so this being "driven" nonesense is drivel.
Also like any other job, some degree of luck is involved in how successful you are. Some things are within your control and others are beyond your control.
There are PLENTY of examples of floor staff making bad decisions that cost a company many millions in lawsuits and settlements. A CEO is worth more, yes. Is a good CEO worth 1000 times what his staff earns? FUCK NO.
Fine, tell you what, try turning down a boss who decides they want to have sex with you if your alternative is to get fired and die of starvation. Then tell me that you can't be "bought and sold as property, as well as raped, tortured or killed at will"
By contrast, offering someone a job is at worst pointless. If the prospective employee doesn't find the offer better than his current situation, he can always decline it. At best it can improve someone's life immensly. At the utter level of poverty many third worlders live in, a few cents more a day can be the difference between life and death.
You just don't get it do you? You can't say no if your alternative is starvation. You no longer have a choice and have to do what that employer says. If you're accepting those conditions and suddenly decide no I want better, chances are someone else will accept those conditions. All of a sudden your job is only worth a few cents a day in the local market no matter who you work for.
You didn't answer his question at all. What would you rather see..people begging in the streets or working in some outsourced call center?
If they're barely earning enough to eat, and the moment they fall ill they're sacked, you prefer this to begging on the streets. Well okay, but you know what that devalues the work. Pretty soon anyone doing the same job can expect to do it for the same wages and under the same conditions because if they won't someone will replace them.
Is that written down somewhere? I'd like a source for that. Is that what Indians think? Is that what Chinese think? You seem to have a very Western, liberal notion of how the world operates. Oh wait, that's your OPINION.
Guess what asshole. I don't want to live in a world where a few people are very very rich and everyone else gets to work 12+ hour days for barely enough to eat and then gets tossed aside the moment they get ill. Yes I guess this does make my attitudes very "western". And yes this is absolutely my opinion. What kind of world would it be if everyone earnt barely enough to eat (except those few exploiting that labour force).
Do you want to live in China where they'll execute your second child, or India where you're lucky if your water supply isn't fouled with human waste?
Think about what you're saying before you open your mouth. If you don't like what you're earning, improve it but don't blame others for having a better standard of living and don't sit there and condone exploitation of labour and the use and abuse of human beings and expect me to sit by idolly and not have an opinion!
a priori? Give me a break and stop being so pretentious. Your view of the world means ANY employer no matter how bad the conditions he or she (or the company) sets is doing a good thing by offering the job. That's rubbish. Don't tell me that the people doing the exploiting are "offering an alternative" to poverty. They're just profiting from and prolonging that poverty!!!
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I love that. Don't go to/. on military security, EMAIL me. He doesn't even KNOW you, so how are you going to become a trusted source.
This guys is a bonehead asking for advice on/. "Dear/., I want to make a secure boxen to do top secret security stuff on. How do I do it?" How about "don't tell the world you're setting up a secure box, and don't take advice from strangers. Talk to the DoD yourself!
And to you. Shame on you for replying on/. Personally if I were you I'd steer well clear so he doesn't take me down with him.
All you can do is grow the economy as quickly as possible so that competition for labor will intensify.
There is a limit to how much and how quickly any market can grow. One of the main problems I have with unfettered capitalism is that this never seems to be recognised. Any system relying on continual growth eventually fails, and in this case it would take nations or in a global economy the world with it.
This is still the key thing that pure captialism has over communism Soviet style. You can put off a collapse for as long as you can sustain growth. Problem is those who stand to gain most from the capitalist system are those who are rich and in power. It's in their best interest to ignore problems like unsustainable growth and prattle on about free markets because while the system is working they get richer and fatter.
Offering someone a job, even at what you consider to be a crappy wage, isn't enslavement.
So if you say "here do this work, otherwise you'll end up poor and starving" isn't enslavement? It isn't far from it if you ask me. The only decent option is to ask someone else for a job, but if everyone in a position of power is offering the same conditions, guess what you're back to the same conditions: work for me or die.
At the very least this is servitude. You do get some choice in who gets to be your master.but honestly I don't think it's that far off enslavement.
How you call this slavery boggles the mind. You'd personally throw them back into abject conditions, wouldn't you?
Oh yes this is a godsend. Work long hours with mediocre to bad conditions for one tenth of what they're worth. Now you have someone who's making you a ton of money and the only alternative to the crap you offer them is to go back to scratching in the dirt. What option is that? What choice do they have? How is this better than slavery?
Work is suppose to be about making money to provide for your family and enjoy the rest of your life. How much free time do these people have. Lets bring the whole world down to this level. That's a much better solution. And the CEOs do deserve their millions don't they? After all golf is hard work.
The gap between rich and poor is widening. The options available may increase for a short while, until everyone's down to the same level (except the executives). Is your mind still boggled?
People want something for nothing, and are willing to enslave others, then justify it to themselves because they're "saving" these people from poverty.
Only one place those goddamn cost cuts are going. Into the CEO's pocket.
We need to cap CEO salaries to something like 4 times what their best people on the ground earn. Don't think it can work? Check out Korea's ship building industry.
Capitalism and a "free" market are all well and good but it's not a perfect system and there do need to be controls.
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I know a lot of bulshit artists I mean social engineers. It doesn't matter how smooth you are, eventually you get to the point where you think you can get away with anything, and encounter a situation where no amount of bullshit will work.
Social engineering is a handy skill I grant you, but it's a skill to use as a LAST resort not a first one. That officer whose ego you were trying to stroke may very well turn around and make an example out of you any way. Perhaps he's having trouble at home or just plain having a bad day. You could stroke his ego till it turned blue and you'd still see the inside of a Paddy wagon, and perhaps be up on charges for attempting to resist or mislead the officer.
Just look at Mitnick. He was an expert at it. It worked very well time after time. Too bad in the end it got him in jail for a few years.
They had a moronic school willing to proceed with this stupidity, and they're still at this school I presume? Going to a school where those in power have a severe mental handicap doesn't sound like good news to me. Having the possibility of a felony raised and it taking THIS LONG to and public uproar to dismiss this stupidity doesn't seem like good news to me.
Good news would be the principal and any police involved in this over-reaction getting an official reprimand.
No you're living proof that if you restrict yourself heavily, you can make yourself feel good about being "ethical about your purchases". Had you actually wanted to play games or do CAD you'd be screwed! You just happen not to care about these things. To others they may be vital - hell they may even be the reason they bought a computer in the first place.
This Linux elitism just doesn't seem to change. "I don't have a problem doing what I want to so if you do you must be an idiot" is not going to make you any friends (or Linux converts)
He must be using Gentoo. *ducks*
Ducks? Ducks???? It's Penguins!!!!
Hate to get into metaphysics, but a scientific hypothesis or theory is only going to be able to predict a very restricted set of things.
People often quote Newton's physics as being "proved wrong" by Einstein's relativity (and those same people often barely understand the limits of relativity with respect to the quantum mechanical world). However Newtonian physics is good enough for most (though not all) space mission planning since it's still quite accurate so long as you don't get near a large gravity well like the sun or travel too fast. So Newtonian physics isn't "wrong" it's just accurate to within a certain margin and useful under less general conditions than previously thought.
That's what these non scientifically trained creationalist types miss. There is no right or wrong theory, even though that's how the popular scientific press reports it. There is only the ability of a theory to predict what can happen (or has happened) based on a set of conditions, and an accuracy under a given set of conditions. Newtonian physics is no more "wrong" than eating salad is. You just can't misuse it by applying it to the wrong set of conditions (don't eat that salad if you're allergic to the ingredients).
What they're trying to patent LSD now? sheesh
It is both newsworthy and topical. Outsourcing was a huge trend for the last while (though there's signs its slowing). Here is an unintended negative outcome from that decision affecting one of the largest IT companies on the planet. How is that not newsworthy???
calm down there. You're basically advocating /. censor anything remotely controvertial. I doubt that a majority of /. users would like that.
Actually this is an interesting take on the cost of outsourcing in general. I see this as a valid point, and not one that I'd considered before: what happens when an employee brings a disease into the country? Who wears the costs? What's the civil/criminal liability of putting pressure on someone to come work if they're sick. Are existing safeguards enough etc. etc. etc.
The problem here is people don't know how to have a healthy discussion and separate discussion from personal attack.
If I was him, I would fire my IT staff and find people that don't need to be hand held every step of the way.
Mr Trump is that you? I thought so. Thank goodness I don't work for you anymore. Firing me is the best thing you ever did because you're an arrogant narrow minded sod that doesn't understand what your own businesses are about.
Quit. Seriously.
I think you mean find a better job and once secured, quit your current job.
Some people have bills to pay, familes to feed etc. and it sounds like you found work before dumping the current job. Always the best way to do it. Make a serious effort at looking for better work!
Yes. Not to be stereotypical, but he is a manager. In a perfect world, he would have tech skills, but he doesn't. So he manages.
Oh man there's SO much wrong with that statement I don't know where to begin.
I've had managers that were ex-techy and they've always been the best to work for. Sure they were too rusty to be writing code but they understand technical difficulties when explained in broad strokes, and could spot a flaw in an argument. I'm lucky enough to be in a job where both my managers are ex-techy and very good at what they do.
By contrast I've worked for managers who didn't know what winzip was or how to unzip something. They were easily misled by vendors and contractors, and focused their attention on things that just plain didn't matter from a business point of view. My approach has been to spend some time educating/steering them to the right area, and some time working around them. I've been reasonably successful but I tell you it's no substitute for having a manager that has a clue what they're talking about.
It's like having a captain at the helm of a large oil tanker that knows nothing of basic seamenship. They rely on their underlings to do their job well, and fake their way through it but good luck if the underlings don't agree on the right course of action, or if you come into a real emergency!
Population growth helps feed market growth. If we run out of room for population growth, THEN we're in trouble. We're no where near that here in America
So your system relies on INCREASING the world's population? You want everywhere to be like China, and "THEN we're in trouble". Oh yeah I want to live in your world.
Not true. The people who stand to gain the most are the ones who are not rich yet
How the hell do you expect to get rich when your job pays so little you can't afford to pick yourself back up if you get ill?
Gimme a break!!!!
They are worth what they are getting. If they were worth more, they'd get more. Economic worth is determined by what someone will pay, nothing more.
Then none of us is worth anything because, as globalization continues, you can always find someone poorer who'll gladly take on the job instead of starve. What do you earn per hour you hypocrite?
Welll, I bet you're fun at partys.
I am actually...but...Well I bet you're bad at insults.
I'm asking questions that the computer illiterate DoD person can't answer.
You're talking to the wrong person at the DoD then.
Or are you to high on your horse to admit you don't know? If anything else may I recommend you try not to talk trash in situations in which you assume?
I freely admit I don't know. No high horse there. But I do understand the basic concept of a SECRET. You don't seem to understand that informing the world you have something of value to secure is not the best way to begin, and that you've made your system less secure from the get go by opening your mouth about it. I DO understand what a secret is. My assessment still stands.
That's idiotic. Being a CEO is not akin to being a genius. It certainly requires a different set of experience and skill than being a techy, but that doesn't make them smarter or necessarily worth more. I've known CEOs that have successful family lives too so this being "driven" nonesense is drivel.
Also like any other job, some degree of luck is involved in how successful you are. Some things are within your control and others are beyond your control.
There are PLENTY of examples of floor staff making bad decisions that cost a company many millions in lawsuits and settlements. A CEO is worth more, yes. Is a good CEO worth 1000 times what his staff earns? FUCK NO.
Fine, tell you what, try turning down a boss who decides they want to have sex with you if your alternative is to get fired and die of starvation. Then tell me that you can't be "bought and sold as property, as well as raped, tortured or killed at will"
By contrast, offering someone a job is at worst pointless. If the prospective employee doesn't find the offer better than his current situation, he can always decline it. At best it can improve someone's life immensly. At the utter level of poverty many third worlders live in, a few cents more a day can be the difference between life and death.
You just don't get it do you? You can't say no if your alternative is starvation. You no longer have a choice and have to do what that employer says. If you're accepting those conditions and suddenly decide no I want better, chances are someone else will accept those conditions. All of a sudden your job is only worth a few cents a day in the local market no matter who you work for.
You didn't answer his question at all. What would you rather see..people begging in the streets or working in some outsourced call center?
If they're barely earning enough to eat, and the moment they fall ill they're sacked, you prefer this to begging on the streets. Well okay, but you know what that devalues the work. Pretty soon anyone doing the same job can expect to do it for the same wages and under the same conditions because if they won't someone will replace them.
Is that written down somewhere? I'd like a source for that. Is that what Indians think? Is that what Chinese think? You seem to have a very Western, liberal notion of how the world operates. Oh wait, that's your OPINION.
Guess what asshole. I don't want to live in a world where a few people are very very rich and everyone else gets to work 12+ hour days for barely enough to eat and then gets tossed aside the moment they get ill. Yes I guess this does make my attitudes very "western". And yes this is absolutely my opinion. What kind of world would it be if everyone earnt barely enough to eat (except those few exploiting that labour force).
Do you want to live in China where they'll execute your second child, or India where you're lucky if your water supply isn't fouled with human waste?
Think about what you're saying before you open your mouth. If you don't like what you're earning, improve it but don't blame others for having a better standard of living and don't sit there and condone exploitation of labour and the use and abuse of human beings and expect me to sit by idolly and not have an opinion!
a priori? Give me a break and stop being so pretentious. Your view of the world means ANY employer no matter how bad the conditions he or she (or the company) sets is doing a good thing by offering the job. That's rubbish. Don't tell me that the people doing the exploiting are "offering an alternative" to poverty. They're just profiting from and prolonging that poverty!!!
I love that. Don't go to /. on military security, EMAIL me. He doesn't even KNOW you, so how are you going to become a trusted source.
/. "Dear /., I want to make a secure boxen to do top secret security stuff on. How do I do it?" How about "don't tell the world you're setting up a secure box, and don't take advice from strangers. Talk to the DoD yourself!
/. Personally if I were you I'd steer well clear so he doesn't take me down with him.
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All you can do is grow the economy as quickly as possible so that competition for labor will intensify.
There is a limit to how much and how quickly any market can grow. One of the main problems I have with unfettered capitalism is that this never seems to be recognised. Any system relying on continual growth eventually fails, and in this case it would take nations or in a global economy the world with it.
This is still the key thing that pure captialism has over communism Soviet style. You can put off a collapse for as long as you can sustain growth. Problem is those who stand to gain most from the capitalist system are those who are rich and in power. It's in their best interest to ignore problems like unsustainable growth and prattle on about free markets because while the system is working they get richer and fatter.
Offering someone a job, even at what you consider to be a crappy wage, isn't enslavement.
So if you say "here do this work, otherwise you'll end up poor and starving" isn't enslavement? It isn't far from it if you ask me. The only decent option is to ask someone else for a job, but if everyone in a position of power is offering the same conditions, guess what you're back to the same conditions: work for me or die.
At the very least this is servitude. You do get some choice in who gets to be your master.but honestly I don't think it's that far off enslavement.
How you call this slavery boggles the mind. You'd personally throw them back into abject conditions, wouldn't you?
Oh yes this is a godsend. Work long hours with mediocre to bad conditions for one tenth of what they're worth. Now you have someone who's making you a ton of money and the only alternative to the crap you offer them is to go back to scratching in the dirt. What option is that? What choice do they have? How is this better than slavery?
Work is suppose to be about making money to provide for your family and enjoy the rest of your life. How much free time do these people have. Lets bring the whole world down to this level. That's a much better solution. And the CEOs do deserve their millions don't they? After all golf is hard work.
The gap between rich and poor is widening. The options available may increase for a short while, until everyone's down to the same level (except the executives). Is your mind still boggled?
People want something for nothing, and are willing to enslave others, then justify it to themselves because they're "saving" these people from poverty.
Only one place those goddamn cost cuts are going. Into the CEO's pocket.
We need to cap CEO salaries to something like 4 times what their best people on the ground earn. Don't think it can work? Check out Korea's ship building industry.
Capitalism and a "free" market are all well and good but it's not a perfect system and there do need to be controls.