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Building Secure Computers?

maotx asks: "Growing into the job of a system administrator, I've been tasked with something I'm not quite prepared for: purchase or build a computer that meets DoD compliance for classified 'Secret' information. Several vendors, including Dell our primary supplier, offers computers that will work, but being new to the criteria I want to make sure the right computer is purchased. The computer will be used to create secure CAD drawings (Solidworks, OrCAD, etc) and must have, from what I can tell, a removable hard drive and security stickers to prevent tampering. What is you're experience in setting up a secure computer and is it better to have a vendor do it, or yourself?"

628 comments

  1. Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So sayeth the editors of Slashdot.

    1. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by jericho4.0 · · Score: 4, Funny
      "Ask Slashdot: Where New Tech Should Libraries Try Next?" posted by Cliff @ 4:30PM.

      "Ask Slashdot: Building Secures Computers?" posted by Cliff @ 7:32PM.

      He'll pass out by 10, I bet.

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    2. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by SYFer · · Score: 5, Funny

      No no no. If you'd actually read TFA, you'd see that the building in question is contructed with windows and doors so small that a computer cannot be passed through them, ergo the building does indeed secure the computers. Now that IS news for nerds!

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    3. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by glassjaw+rocks · · Score: 2, Funny

      don't forget, that's from the even-keyboard-typing-class-adccess-won't-make-it-e asy dept.

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    4. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by webagogue · · Score: 1

      "Building Secures Computers?" Glad this was corrected. I was afraid we were under attack by the illiterate posters from digg.com.

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    5. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If there is a "TEMPEST" requirement, it wont be so simple. You will have to contain all RF leaks and such with RF sheilding etc.....

    6. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      Building really secures computers... you probably heard the stories about walls being erected around equipment with people later wondering where the print server or other such have gone to: still online and working but nowhere to be found in accessible office space. Secure by obsolescence, physically secure behind walls and secure by obscurity because no one knows the actual location!

    7. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by Baricom · · Score: 4, Funny

      Tell me about it. Slashdot posts are the paragon of literacy, insight, and high social class. It would be utter disaster if the plebians that frequent digg were to soil the characteristic quality and originality found on Slashdot.

    8. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by BRonsk · · Score: 0, Informative

      You forgot one of the gem the grammar nazis like to push on:
      "What is you're experience"

      Shall I say it? ok, here it goes:
      your: possesive form, as in 'his computer', 'your car'.
      you're: contraction of 'you are'.

      I guess the first one should've been used in the story. Too bad they fixed the title but not the rest...

      PS: I'm not even a native speaker!

    9. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by alex4u2nv · · Score: 1

      And building it in compliance with Dungeons on Dragons!! More news for nerds!! =p

    10. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by tymbow · · Score: 1

      Actualy Win95 would work. It would crash so much that there would be no risk of anyone ever being able to get anything useful out of it...

    11. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Tell me about it. Slashdot posts are the paragon of literacy, insight, and high social class. It would be utter disaster if the plebians that frequent digg were to soil the characteristic quality and originality found on Slashdot."

      Are you kidding? Slashdot has some of the most liberal and pointless comments on the web. There is little, if any, quality to them.

    12. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by NoMercy · · Score: 1

      If you'd actually read TFA

      Where's that, thres no link in the story as far as I can tell.

    13. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by randm.ca · · Score: 0, Troll
      PS: I'm not even a native speaker!
      They prefer to be called indians, you insensitive clod!
    14. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by Elminst · · Score: 2, Funny

      do you hear that wooshing sound?

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    15. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by StevoJ · · Score: 1

      Oh no! The Liberals are coming! HIDE!

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    16. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "plebian" is spelled plebeian

    17. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by BrettJB · · Score: 1
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    18. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      editors

      Actually, that would be "editorsz"

    19. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First thing you need to do is to make sure there are no vents in the room,, next thing you know Tom Cruise is dropping by and stealing info.

    20. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "plebian" is spelled plebian
        "plebeian" is spelled plebeian

      -- pedantic ass

    21. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the gov't defense contractor I worked at until recently, there were secure rooms setup for all of this type of thing. Usually you have a computer system where the drives for storage are all external. Removable drives go in locked file cabinets. The rules for floppies and removable media is that they can't leave the secure room. Virus software even though you aren't hooked up to the network usually is required. If you're on a network, it's usually a secure line. We used standard Dell PCs.

    22. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by robyannetta · · Score: 1
      ...you'd see that the building in question is contructed with windows and doors so small that a computer cannot be passed through them...

      Of course, the structure was built AROUND the nerds inside. They also have oxygen piped in, a minifridge stocked with Mountain Dew and one TV always on the Anime Network.

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    23. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by marklark · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, they prefer to be called "British" (or somesuch... ;^)

    24. Re:Secures computers need Windowsz 95 by randm.ca · · Score: 0

      At least 1 person saw the humour in that. One off-colour remark and your karma goes from Neutral to Bad. Lighten up mods!

  2. How Ironic... by rpj1288 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I click on "read more" and what do I see? "Nothing to see here, move along." Nice.

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  3. I could tell you by SEWilco · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Prepare for "I could tell you, but..." comments.

    1. Re:I could tell you by lanced · · Score: 0

      No, no, no. That's not it at all. The correct line is: "I can niether confirm, nor deny the existence of secret computers. However, if they did exist, I'm sure I couldn't tell you what OS they're running. And I'm sure I would have to kill you if I told you how they are assembled."

  4. Don't ask Slashdot by kevlar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ask the Dept of Defense. Asking Slashdot about DoD guidelines is like asking an elementary school for details about the space shuttle. No offense to /. community.

    1. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by maotx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Our facility security officer has a stack of papers that I have been reading over but it is pretty slim in details when it comes to the specifics. Network is a definate no, floppies and CDs are ok, but what about USB harddrives? Etc.

      The only reason I asked Slashdot was for a jump start. My manager says we need to have something, at least a plan, by next week.

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    2. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Informative


      My suggestion would be to disable floppy as well as USB, and only allow transmission of information to and from this system via CD. USB is right out...don't let anyone try to convince you otherwise...it's an unacceptable security risk. Also, only allow data to be transferred to and from a protected 'sandbox' area on the system, and make certain that autorun of CD-ROMs is disabled in the registry. One more thing: keep the system in a locked room, and personally supervise, if not actually conduct, all data transfers.

      Sure, it sounds paranoid...bit is it paranoid enough?

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    3. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by some2 · · Score: 1

      Give them as much storage capacity as they could reasonably need to accomplish the goal of their work with the secure computer. AUDIT EVERYTHING. Ensure non-repudiation by using secure access tokens and physical access controls (secure-id, and a swipe-card locked door).

    4. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by maotx · · Score: 2, Informative

      My suggestion would be to disable floppy as well as USB, and only allow transmission of information to and from this system via CD. USB is right out

      We weren't going to add a floppy drive not only for security, but because of how outdated and unusued it is here. CDs and printing are going to be to the most common methods of transmitting the data. USB is still thrown up in the air. I'm very uncomfortable with it but our client uses it quite often to transfer data. I'm sure the line on that is somewhere though not in the documentation I've been given.

      only allow data to be transferred to and from a protected 'sandbox' area on the system, and make certain that autorun of CD-ROMs is disabled in the registry. One more thing: keep the system in a locked room, and personally supervise, if not actually conduct, all data transfers.

      Considering licensing is per computer, not install, each secure project will have its own hard drive with Windows and all other required applications installed with it. No need to worry about unauthorized users having access to any cached data. Also, considering the only information going to be rated classified is what is on the hard drive, we're trying to see if we can use the machine in a nonclassified environment as well and only secure it for classified data when needed. That is a question I'm leaving for DoD though. I seriouslly doubt we'll be able to do it without having it audited and certified each time. However, when being used for classified data it will always be in a locked room designed to hold secret data.

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    5. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I work for a defense contractor, and we have secure computers at the TS level. I would highly recommend you contract this job out or search online for someone who was kind enough to share their somewhat detailed plan that you can use as boilerplate. This is one of those things that once you've been through the process you'll be able to do it again without too much trouble, but it'll probably take you forever the first time.

      Secret may be a good bit easier than TS, but I'd guess this isn't going to happen on a timeline that looks like a week.

    6. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by billmustdie · · Score: 0

      Well, as an ex-army (shall we say... digitally experienced) spec-4, I'd recommend minimum of air gap. Air-gap = no 2 network cards on 1 machine. No floppy. No CD-r/dvd-r/ect. No USB writeable. No F-in' writable at all (even unauthorsed paper walking out the door). The idea of "secret" is that you want to slow the out-flow of info. This isn't a question about "what is the right computer", it's addressed by "who is the right guard" You can guard your computers by limiting the I/O; more I than O.. The make of x86, or other comp (eg PPC) is today, irrelevent. O/S can slow some PPL. encryption.. better yet. But always assume someone with root (or close to root) is looking for a little cash.

    7. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by billmustdie · · Score: 0

      Sure, it sounds paranoid...bit is it paranoid enough?

      no

    8. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by ktulu1115 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree with your comments but I think it's highly dependant upon how secure the system needs to be. Find it very unlikely it will be running a trusted OS(classification A, B, or C) since it will be doing CAD work - I'm not familiar with Solidworks or OrCAD but I'm willing to guess they run on Windows... which is far from a trusted OS environment as we all know. However to give MS credit, do recall a professor who was a former NSA employee stating that a version of Windows NT achieved a C2 trusted rating.

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    9. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Posting anonymously for reasons of privacy; identities don't need to be known for this).

      The DoD standard for secure computing throws out USB. My father, who relatively never works on anything too out of the ordinary has his military laptop's USB controller disabled, the ports have caps over them which have been glued on, and the CD drive is no longer removable, upon worries you might swap in a CD writer.

      According to him as well, there was talk about disabiling the parallel port and serial ports, but as my father is required to take pictures, he has to keep around a parallel port card reader, which he complains about almost constantly.

      The standard for "Secret" level computing is actually available on the DoD website if you're willing to search for it. The parent was being a bit too pedantic for this level of Classification, but I can tell you there are machines which are more secure than this (biometrics [in combination with a secure key on USB-like dongle] to decrypt userspace partitions from IBM, etc).

      Lastly, I know this might sound like just a slashdotter commenting, but my advice: don't use Windows. Patching a machine like this is likely to cause some headaches for your IT workers, and weekly patching just isn't something you'd want to do if you can avoid it. Lastly, try your best to keep the thing off the network. For simple CAD work there's no reason for it to be on the net; put another machine in the same room with closely monitored network access. Make the users spend the few minutes it takes to burn a disk and carry it over to the other machine, and make sure the other machine has no writable media other than the hard disk. If you wanted to go further, you could tie in case alarms, but personally, stick an external CD-rom drive on the machine, stick it in a filing cabinet or a locking desk, and stick a camera in the room. Nobody will be willing to risk their job/life/sanity to break into that room, break into the desk, break into the computer, steal the drive, and have balls enough to break for an exit.

    10. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 4, Informative

      ---My suggestion would be to disable floppy as well as USB, and only allow transmission of information to and from this system via CD.

      And I'd have the CD drive read lines under a hardware lock (like the old machines used) and have it shut off unless required.

      ---USB is right out...don't let anyone try to convince you otherwise...it's an unacceptable security risk.

      Agreed. Have only PS/2 mouse and keyboard available. Also make sure that Firewire, serial, paralell, audio jacks on CD-ROM and sound card, and all peripherial devices are GONE, removed or jacks destroyed by one incapicating method or another. Super-glue in serial ports make an awful mess to "recover".

      I, a long time ago, made an attack in which I recorded audio on a cd player through the audio jack. I was able to reconstruct the data from the "static sound". I'd call that an attack as much as hooking up a data casette to a Commie 64.

      ---Also, only allow data to be transferred to and from a protected 'sandbox' area on the system,

      I would call that "Printouts".

      ---and make certain that autorun of CD-ROMs is disabled in the registry.

      You ASSume Windows. Nobody running a secure environment would use windows, unless it's just confidential.

      ---One more thing: keep the system in a locked room, and personally supervise, if not actually conduct, all data transfers.

      Double-lock the room, use mag-locks to determine when door is opened. Record open-close actions.

      Have 2 video cams that record on any motion to a remote system (just as secure, as it could record confidential data). Have each room record the others' cameras while NEVER under any circumstances allow anybody from one get into the other room.

      Also have a 10 minute delay safe for open events to even get to the hard drive. Set up a hypergolic charge in the safe in case of tampering. Also have safe monitor open-close events.

      I also have a few ideas on unbeatable object-detection schemes, but I believe they're actually used in real Secure environments. I will not mention them.

      Still, the good ol standard of having 2 "Armed to the teeth" guards at the door always suffice as a first precaution. If you can afford this, you can have double-locking doors that 2 seperate entities must open.

      Example: To get in, you flash badge to 2 officers. You enter 1'st set of doors. You then submit to scans/checks of whatever to open 2'nd doors. To get out, you walk out the 2'nd doors, and ONLY 2 guys can open 1'st doors from outside. Very secure.

      ---Sure, it sounds paranoid...bit is it paranoid enough?

      Nope.

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    11. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1
      So true. But another question pops here. From the summary: "purchase or build a computer that meets DoD compliance".

      Now, does this mean: 'build a computer that will be used by the DoD', or does it mean: 'build a computer according to DoD specs' (but used by some other party). From the summary, I can't tell which.

      As another poster points out, not only the work to be done on it may be secret, but the standards which it should meet, may be as well.

      Personally, I think that an extremely 'secure computer' basically involves 2 things:

      1. If a user brings in data (like on a removable HDD) and does some work on the machine, then when that user leaves, not a single trace of whatever work was done by that user, is left on the machine.
      2. That you can be sure that the machine itself provides no means for 3rd parties to intercept or corrupt data. Read: that you can be absolutely sure about both hardware and software configuration of that machine. Read: have strict procedures and (physical) access controls for any hardware or software modifications.

      First thing that comes to mind for me then, is combining removable storage with the computer: voila, a laptop. Security then becomes a matter of securing/auditing physical access to that laptop.

      But anyway, other posters are right: either he can't do it because he doesn't have those specs, or he has the specs, and then it is simply a matter of following these. So either way, why the hell is he asking /. ?
    12. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      OK... here's the basics... Excuse the AC post, but the fewer people that know you have a security clearance, the better.

      Yes, you can order from Dell, Gateway, HP, etc. The removable hard drive is employed so that when the computer is not in use the hard drive can be locked in a DoD approved container (a pretty heavy duty safe or filing cabinet, normally) that only authorized users can access. If you didn't have a removable hard drive, then the entire room the computer was housed in would need to be classified as a DoD secure space. As it is, while the computer is in use it will need to be out of sight of anyone not cleared to use it. Sometimes something as simple as a curtain is used, while others might keep the computer in a separate room or closet.

      The stickers are not for tamper proofing. Rather, they are used to remind you that you are dealing with a classified system and should treat it as such. You can use them across seals, but they aren't required. At the least, they will need to be put on the hard drive, hard drive caddy, computer case, and monitor.

      For the drives, it's probably a good idea to disable anything that you won't be using. You can leave floppy drives intact if you want, just be aware that as soon as a non-write-protected floppy goes in the drive, it is required to immediately be labeled as a classified disk and logged. You can take material from unclassified to classified systems, but not vice versa (duh, I know, but it needs to be said). Since this system will be stand-alone, you might consider disabling all the USB ports via the BIOS and just using PS2 for the mouse/keyboard. That will help prevent USB thumb drives from being used. Remember, if the system can write to it, then it has just become classified material. CDs are safe, but floppies, thumb drives, etc. are not unless they are in write-protect mode.

      Hope that helps!

    13. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by qkslvr · · Score: 1

      Quite the opposite. I would say asking the DOD about securing computers really is like asking the 3rd grade hall monitor about school security. Because in truth, they just have to hire someone from the slashdot community to do the real work, or, better yet, their security people are part of the slashdot community. It's important to realize that when you ask the DOD about doing this, you're not talking to a security guru, your getting the management watered version, the ones who make ass-backwards policies like: If changing your password and increasing the length improves security, then we'll make everyone change their password every month and it must be 8-12 characters. Brilliant. You've ensured that the nations secrets are entrusted to little yellow post-its on every computer in the building. Ban post-its you say, they'll just put it below their mousepad/drawer/phone/picture of spouse. I could continue this rant, but you get my point.

    14. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by nzkbuk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You give that version of windows too much credit.
      it wasn't "Windows NT" that got the rating (as much as M$ hyped it, and I don't remeber the exact spec, but the spec gave the EXACT make and model of computer (and hence hardware spec (that didn't include a network card)) as well as the exact patch level of NT and it specified the applications installed.

      In short it wasn't generically Windows NT, or even Windows NT4 sp2. it was much better defined than that, but that being said, yes M$ has achieved a security rating, and I'd have to agree (unlike a bunch of the posts on this topic I've seen), the security model has to fit with the company. if they are asking as a DoD contractor, the question is in the wrong place. If the question is from a company that management feels they need to secure their computing enviroment, then it's all good.

    15. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by maotx · · Score: 1

      But anyway, other posters are right: either he can't do it because he doesn't have those specs, or he has the specs, and then it is simply a matter of following these. So either way, why the hell is he asking /. ?

      I have the specs and can follow them. However, the specs are very minimum in details. I'm asking /. not for a "how to" but for "your experience". I'm curious to know of any problems you may have had, if their is any more steps I should take that is not required in the documentation, any unique setups you may have done, etc. It's not a matter of being ill prepared, but going the extra step and being ready for the unexpected.

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    16. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are mountains of papers for a reason. It has to be physically seperate from any unclassified systems. Your manager is an idiot for asking you to do this.

    17. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one thing you need to be sure about is the physical aspect of the project. If this machine is to be networked there will be some very specific standards that detail exactly how the wiring is to be done to protect the data enroute so to speak. Some early basics were in the TEMPEST standards. It is important to find this out early as it may impact the rest of the project in unusual ways. Getting a qualified contractor/vendor in to do the install does two things for you:
      1) Puts the experience of someone who has "been there-done that" at your disposal.
      2) Gives you a layer (thin as it may be) of protection from red tape woes.

      vendors and contractors are a very usefull tool in this kind of project. Do not get the most or the least expensive one. Instead make your selection based on years of experience, # of installs, references.

      Additionally talk with the government entity to see who they would recomend - they may have a good working relationship with a vendor that can make the interfacing a lot easier.

    18. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by solarmist · · Score: 2, Informative

      First question is, is it a Secret computer or Secret/SCI? That makes all the difference. Secret/SCI computers cannot be stored outside of a secure building of at least that level of classification, Secret computers just need to be locked up when not in use and have controlled access. You need to talk with your security people about this (an SSO, ISSO, ISM, ISSM, etc.).

      As far as the hardware goes just about any commercial hardware is okay. Just no USB memory devices and no wireless. Any methods to remove information from the computer (Floppy, CD-burner, etc) need to be controled so only authorized personnel can use it, other than that hardware shouldn't be an issue. We use factory direct Dells all the time. As far as networks go, you can only connect to a network that is of the exact same classification (i.e. Secret->Secret/SCI is a big no-no!).

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    19. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by jcr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the spec gave the EXACT make and model of computer (and hence hardware spec (that didn't include a network card)) as well as the exact patch level of NT and it specified the applications installed.

      It also required that the entire IP stack be deleted. It was quite a joke in the computer security business at the time.

      -jcr

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    20. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by CyberSp00k · · Score: 5, Informative

      You cannot use the machine in both a classified and a non-classified environment. You will get the machine certified for a specific level of classified processing and lock it into a room that is effectively a people-sized safe. Access to the room will be controlled and only cleared and authorized people will be permitted in. They will log their entrances and exits. Each project hard drive and associated backup media will be stored in a separate, individually lockable and differently keyed drawer of a safe certified for classified processing. Users will log every item in each safe drawer and will log every time they open or close any drawer of the safe. EVERY scrap of out put from the system (optical media, magnetic media, or hardcopy) will have to be logged and controlled at both creation and destruction - destruction requires special handling and facilities.

      Issues of bootable CD-ROMS, USB data sticks, and product licensing are trivial housekeeping compared to the work you are going to have to undertake to create and maintain a secure processing facility. By the way, printers have memory and printer ribbons retain images - you have to address those items, too. Certified print required.

      If you already have a secure processing facility, you also have a certified site security officer (SSO) who has been trained in the use and requirements of the NISPOM. You should be talking to this person, not us.

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    21. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can you say "underqualified"
      I guess that's par for DoD... *sigh*

    22. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by InvalidError · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is a simple fix for CDROM&all lock-out: lock the computers away in a secure room and use a KVM extender. With no physical access, there are far fewer things to worry about and makes centralized control of data transfers that much more convenient.

    23. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for DoD so I'll post as AC.

      We buy a lot of secure computers. Making them yourself isn't even an option. You'd have to know the exact requirements, then make it from very hard to find parts, and get it tested and approved. It's not worth it, it would cost more to do it yourself.

      The people selling those PCs are used to it, know what you need, and have a product that meets all the requirements.

      Heck, I wonder why you've even asking. Your ISSO should really know what to do here. Getting secure computers is only a tiny part of the problem. You'll also need to have the room or building approved, same for network stuff (and often there is crypto gear attached - which also means physical security, storage and traffic of keys, etc). You need TEMPTEST everything...

      If you're asking about this (publicly - on slashdot!), then you shouldn't be in charge of this!

    24. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by CyberSp00k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Rubbish. Those are useful tips for securing the public computers in the local public library, not for building a system for use in a classified processing environment.

      Classified processing is more than just securing a box against the latest IE sploit. It's processes, policies, procedures, training, and a particular mindset, not the too-casually toss-about 'paranoia'.

      Google NISPOM and do some reading.

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    25. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by HD+Webdev · · Score: 4, Funny

      USB is still thrown up in the air. I'm very uncomfortable with it but our client uses it quite often to transfer data.

      Lots of stuff WILL be thrown up in the air if someone connects a USB wireless adapter.

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    26. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a weeks time you can create a plan for creating The Plan.
      It could take a month or more to actually create The Plan, and then an additional 2-4 months (or more) to get The Plan approved.
      If nothing goes wrong, you might get approval to process classified information sometime in January of 2006.

    27. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One problem with USB flash devices would be that it is may be hard to remove stuff from it.

      The thing is that flash memory wears down when written, so when overwriting something it is just written to another location to avoid wearing down one part of the memory faster than the rest.

      This might be a problem and there are solutions that are good enough for DoD people, but I doubt you can find them for usb storage.

    28. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DOD does understand securing computers and computer networks. Significantly better than your average slashdotter. IMHO and of course based on what I have read in this discussion.

    29. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by eatjello · · Score: 1

      You ASSume Windows. Nobody running a secure environment would use windows, unless it's just confidential.

      Actually, I've used fairly standard Dells running Windows XP Pro in secret level environments. When done right, a windows box can be as secure to physical tampering as any other OS, and as public networks are a huge no-no anyway, it matters not whether they can be compromised remotely (many of our machines are networked, but it is a standalone network with only secret level machines connected (and able to connect for that matter, by various means).

    30. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by comptrav · · Score: 1

      I am in the USN and run a classified network on board the USS Kitty Hawk. The requirements are fairly simple. No active USB (just disable the controllers) and no CD Burners. Floppy drives are fine. The hard drive must be in a removeable tray. You should also disable the NIC unless they tell you that they have a classified LAN that the machines are going to be put on. As for the stickers, those should be provided by the DoD. They have specific stickers that they are required to use.

    31. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Finally someone who knows what they are talking about!

      Ideally, if you need to build something that is processing DOD classified materials, DOD should be providing you with the proper requirements. Fact is that to get it approved will mean a security audit will be done against it to ensure it meets requirements. If you don't know what DOD is looking for requirement-wise you will never pass it on the first try.

      Classified is what the computer is running but what is much more important what policies and procedures to take with hardware that processes the information. This can involve things like how the room it is located in is built to block emi leakage as well as control access.

      If it is hooked up to a classified network, from my experience it will be using fibre for the network. Unlike some people who think that MS would never be used in a classified network, they are wrong and the amount of it isn't shrinking. Well most of it is workstation based. Servers are a little slower and it is more likely to see a Sun server than anything else.

      If the workstation is not going to be located behind a shield then you may want to investigate Tempest approved machines. They are pretty pricey though but there are situations where this is required.

    32. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ban post-its you say

      Don't need to do that in a classified network. If you have access to a classified machine, you get ingrained the necessary paranoia about security there and take it quite seriously. You don't find end users ever having any kind of rights on a machine other than opening and processing documents.

      Plus the threat of MPs showing you to a small cell if you don't follow the rules can be a great motivator not to leave classified information around. Let alone if you are deemed untrustworthy with access to the information could be a severe career limiting move. There is no leniency at all and although it may seem draconian, it is justified.

      The big question is if this is for DOD info or someone who just wants that level of security. If they are the latter they may want to rethink if it is needed as it can be quite limiting in what they want or need to do.

    33. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All you need to know:

      http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154868&cid= 12988150

      * :)

      (That got an upward "mod" here if that stands for anything - worth reading @ this point at least if that stands for anything here)

      APK

      P.S.=> For a Windows NT-based OS (2000/XP/Server 2003), that list's stood the "test of time" & makes rigs using members of that OS' family as secure as can be... apk

    34. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are clearly in WAY over your head. get someone who knows what they are doing. if you do this wrong, you're just waiting for a nice firing (if you're a contractor) or some friendly nonjudicial punishment (if you're a govt employee.)

      seriously - this is way bigger than an entry job. no offense.

    35. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by museumpeace · · Score: 1

      first of all, keep it off of any net unless the net itself is a closed system. One-way push into such a net is possible but a pain to administer. second. you can get away with a lot less security hobbles on the computer itself IF you can keep it in a locked room with access control via your employers security office...combination lock and TEMPEST-grade provisions against eavesdropping, with combination given only to cleared, need-to-know employees would mean that the plotters or other devices you would typically want on a CAD systems can be allowed. 3rd...looks like your employer was hard up for someone with a clearance AND secure system experience...they hiring?

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    36. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by reclusivemonkey · · Score: 1

      The US Dept. of Defence (sic) thinks floppies are OK? Is it only me that finds this slightly worrying? I would of thought some post it notes would be more reliable...

    37. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by JourneymanMereel · · Score: 1

      You can use USB keys in a classified machine; however, as soon as the media is inserted into the machine, it too becomes classified. Also, networks are possible, but they have to be classified networks. You can't just hook up to the company LAN.

      I hold a security clearance, but I've only been through one breifing regarding classified computers.

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    38. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well us slashdotters can help on a few areas. my contribution, don't let anyone use the password 12345, that is what an idiot puts on his luggage...

    39. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a different anonymous coward in the defense industry.

      Instructions and checklists are available for common operating systems. Use the ones from DISA. Large companies often have their own methods for doing things that result in the same thing. At the end of the day, the customer (presumably DoD) must approve it. Note that different angencies have their own vagaries (DoE DoD, for example).

      The guidelines provided here are often good for commercial security, also. In that environment, however, I would evaluate the requirements in a cost/benefit framework.

      To confirm you're not a script, please type the word in this image: confuse [sweet irony]

    40. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty good overall, but you're somewhat wrong.

      There aren't many "Secret/SCI" systems out there. I've never seen one. SCI is a seperate beast altogether. That being said, USB memory devices ARE allowed on any level of classification, provided the memory storage device is labelled appropriately and controlled appropriately. Read: you can have a SECRET memory stick (if it has been cleared for it), labelled appropriately, not used in unclassified systems, and stored appropriately.

      I wouldn't even suggest you so much as CONSIDER doing any networking without, at the very least, a responsible consultant or contractor coordinating the work for you.

      Sorry for the AC post, but gotta protect my online reputation!

    41. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by labratuk · · Score: 1

      ...make certain that autorun of CD-ROMs is disabled in the registry.

      Aww, he assumes it's going to be running Windows. Isn't that cute?

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    42. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by archangel85j · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself, I stayed at the Holiday Inn last night.

    43. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      What kind of work do they do aboard the Kitty Hawk that requires a classified network? Sounds pretty cool.

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    44. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      You ASSume Windows. Nobody running a secure environment would use windows, unless it's just confidential.

      Rubbish. Why wouldn't you use windows in a secure environment? Windows is no less secure than any other item of equipment in those situations. Ok, it may get a viral infection which hoses the system, or it may crash more frequently. Other than that nothing is likely to be a problem.

      ---One more thing: keep the system in a locked room, and personally supervise, if not actually conduct, all data transfers.
      Double-lock the room, use mag-locks to determine when door is opened. Record open-close actions.

      Have you seriously worked in a secure environment or are you making up a load of crap again? You have a code lock and some sort of ID card swipe, so you can identify who has opened the door. People have to swipe out too.

      Have 2 video cams that record on any motion to a remote system (just as secure, as it could record confidential data). Have each room record the others' cameras while NEVER under any circumstances allow anybody from one get into the other room.

      No, you do not have a remote video system anywhere near a secure computer. How secure is the wiring, how secure is the recording device?

      Also have a 10 minute delay safe for open events to even get to the hard drive. Set up a hypergolic charge in the safe in case of tampering. Also have safe monitor open-close events.

      Why? You're hardly going to be asked to open the safe at gunpoint, which is the point of time delayed safe locks.

      Still, the good ol standard of having 2 "Armed to the teeth" guards at the door always suffice as a first precaution. If you can afford this, you can have double-locking doors that 2 seperate entities must open.

      Why, again? They themselves are more a security threat.

      ---Sure, it sounds paranoid...bit is it paranoid enough?

      It addresses virtually none of the concerns that need to be addressed when dealing with Secret or Top Secret documentation.

      My recomendations are:
      1. No other eletrical equipment within a 2 metre radius of the computer, this includes telephones, desk lamps, etc
      2. Computer is not in a room with windows
      3. Computer is enclosed in a faraday cage.
      4. Computer is on a desk with no "modesty panel"
      5. Door to room where computer is is code lock and id card protected.
      6. An independant log is kept of who uses the computer when.
      7. Computer is powered on before use and off after use.
      8. Harddrive is removed when not in used and kept in a secure safe with a code lock.
      9. All staff who have access to the door to the room it is kept have security clearance. (yes, this includes the cleaners)
      10. All staff who have access to the door are well paid.
      11. the AC inlet to the computer is shielded from other AC cables and is seperated by at least a metre airspace from other cables.

      The weakest link in all security is people - keep strict control on those who have access and when, this includes security staff.

    45. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      Does it need to be Tempest certified? I can't believe Dell makes Tempest gear.

      I guess it depends on how secret the secrets on it will be:

      Secret
      Top Secret
      Top Secret SCI ...

      Someone on post should be designated as the classified document security manager (probably the guy that inspects your safes and removes and destroys outdated classified information periodically) - I advise asking him to point you to the appropriate regulations. If anyone should know - he should know.

      I would go by the reg before I take any advice from this crowd.

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    46. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by CyberSp00k · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sigh!

      The link you refer to points to material that is up to two decades old. The assurance levels you refer to (A, B, and C) are from the Orange Book, the seminal work of the Rainbow Series of security development manuals produced for the U.S. DoD.

      The Rainbow Series was superceded in 1996 by the Common Criteria, an international agreement about security functional requirements, assurance requirements, and the processes needed to evaluate the security characteristics of IT products. Products that have met the requirements and undergone the process are listed in an Evaluated Products List. Among operating systems that have met the Common Criteria requirements are Mac OS X, Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS/WS 3, Solaris 9, SuSE Linux Enteprise Server V8, and Windows 2000 Server. All of these must be run on specific hardware configurations and with specific software configurations to retain their certified status in an operational environment. A recent project I was working on needed an HTML-based interface - imagine creating that on a Linux box that could not run X or even activate the frame buffer!

      Secure systems are not just platforms that resist the latest script kiddie 'sploit. A system includes people, processes, hardware, software, development methodologies, and the operational environment. This is what makes a secure, assured SYSTEM, not just an expensive doorstop.

      Links of (possible) interest:

      Orange Book
      http://csrc.ncsl.nist.gov/secpubs/rainbow/std001.t xt

      Rainbow Series
      http://csrc.nist.gov/secpubs/rainbow/

      Common Criteria
      http://www.commoncriteriaportal.org/

      U.S. "Scheme"
      http://niap.nist.gov/cc-scheme/

      Evaluated Products List (EPL)
      http://niap.nist.gov/cc-scheme/vpl/vpl_type.html#o peratingsystem

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    47. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are lots of people here with clearances.

      If you ask the DoD, you have to be careful about who you ask. Many people in DoD Security do not understand the difference between reccomendation, and requirement. They got the job because they could not find a job in corporate america because they're idiots. They're just lucky enough to know the right people. Then they push rules, regulations, requirements, and recomendations up your 5th point of contact without understanding what they mean.

      I saw a DoD security guru kept out of a Linux box for 10 minutes. (The box was just built that morning, it did not have a root password, it was not on the network, and it wasn't my box!)

    48. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to add the NSA guidelines (http://www.nsa.gov/snac/) but they seem to be off line at the moment.
      Fun reading, that :)

      Good luck.

    49. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by AppyPappy · · Score: 1

      Nah. Just turn it off when you aren't using it. That will eliminate the 11-6 raids which seem to be the majority these days.

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    50. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by jglen490 · · Score: 1
      Knowing DoD, they have a VERY complete set of specs. If you are doing security work, for them, they have given you everything.

      As others have said, this is not a /. problem and even if there are DoD security experts who participate in /. fora, they can't/won't tell you anything in an unsecure environment.

      Go back to your supervisor.

    51. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by solarmist · · Score: 1

      I must disagree. The SCIF I work in is almost all Sercret/SCI computers. You're right, in the states they are not very common, but they are extensively used in some areas. And while it's possible to properly use USB memory we have banned it because of the ease of abuse (ie very easy to stick in your pocket and walk off with).

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    52. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by jafac · · Score: 1

      www.disa.mil

      Read it and weep.

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    53. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by TelevisioSledgicus · · Score: 1

      We do a lot of contract software development for aerospace, gov't & military. Because of this we also get the occasional request to deliver our software ready to go on a server.

      Every time so far I've built a server myself in house white-box style, just as I do for our in-house use. Then I hand it over to the Navy (most of the time) or whomever, and they go through their required processes to confirm that it is in fact "secure".

      I've never had to do anything special on my end. Though since they were Windows boxes how secure can they be? :)

      They've even shipped them back to me for service (got a big batch of bad quantum scsi drives one time), and didn't require anything special from me then either.

      Granted these were only classed "secret" not higher, and they had network connections, so I expect YMMV depending on the particular purpose and destination of each server.

    54. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Rolan · · Score: 1
      Network is a definite no, floppies and CDs are ok, but what about USB hard drives? Etc.

      The main thing to keep in mind is that any writable media that touches a classified system becomes classified. In other words, you can use a USB Hard Drive, but it will have to have the same markings and be treated the same way as the main hard drive. CDs (non-writable ones) don't have that issue, as obviously they can't move data. Floppies do. There are specific standards for "cleaning" media that has touched a classified system.

      Another thing to keep in mind is that the classification of the system is ALWAYS the highest classification of data that has touched the system. So, if you handle data that is "Secret" the system is treated as "Secret." If later you handle data that is "Top Secret" then the system will be "Top Secret" from then on, until it is "cleaned." Keep in mind that "Clean" means a complete removal of all data and traces of data from the system media.

      As far as networks go, certain networks are "ok." However, any network that the system is on has to be rated for the classification of the data the system contains. i.e. You won't be connecting it to your local LAN or the Internet, but there ARE networks that it could be attached to, should the government decide that you need to have some sort of access.

      Finally, and it doesn't sound like you're going to, but don't neglect physical security. The computer will have to be located in an area the only authorized personnel can have access to and even then, the media must be secured (usually in a safe) when not in use. The areas that the Air Force builds for theses types of systems are usually equivalent to a bank vault, including the door (that can be locked from the inside and that can refuse outside access from the inside). Also, if you end up connected to a network that is certified for classified material, you will have to consider the physical protection of the devices and media for the network.

      Also keep in mind that certain classifications make requirements on electronic emissions from the computer. There are devices made to reduce or eliminate these, including power filtering blocks that go between the wall and the computer. Most of the options are bulky, and some are only applied to rooms.

      Ultimately, your best bet is to call those responsible at DoD. They're the experts and they're the ones that can provide the best information for you.

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    55. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by robertjw · · Score: 1

      The only reason I asked Slashdot was for a jump start. My manager says we need to have something, at least a plan, by next week.

      I have worked on some milspec projects, not computer related, but electronic. My advice would be to find a vendor (HP, Dell, whoever) that can supply what you need. DoD specs can be very thorough and very complex. Your life will be simpler if you leave the heavy lifting up to someone that does it all the time.

    56. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knowing DoD, they have a VERY complete set of specs.

      Knowing the government, the specs were VERY complete 10 years ago.

    57. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by jafac · · Score: 1

      Lots of stuff WILL be thrown up in the air if someone connects a USB wireless adapter.

      A big part of security is PHYSICAL security. Physical access to these systems is strictly controlled. In the classified areas I've worked in, you're not even allowed to bring in a cell phone. So it's not likely anyone would be allowed to bring such a device as a USB wireless adapter.

      There is a problem posed by USB thumbdrives. They're so damn small, it's almost impossible to prevent someone smuggling one in. So it really depends on your specific customer's needs. There are regulations, and then there's what the guy who's writing the checks wants. There's an art to finding a happy medium. (The kind of "art" that makes you want to cut your ear off and give it to your girlfriend.)

      This risk can be mitigated by simply running your system on NT 4.0. You plug a USB thumbdrive into an NT 4.0 system, and it freezes solid. :) (that was a joke - but it's true).
      For other OS-es, you'll simply have to figure out how to cripple USB functionality. Either by removing the drivers from the OS, controlling permissions, or physical modification of the USB port (ie. epoxy the damn thing shut).

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    58. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by jascat · · Score: 1

      You should be calling your local COMPUSEC manager or Information Assurance manager, who probably works in the local COMM Sqadron. There are tons of guidance out there for the proper use of SECRET level systems. Basically, anything that goes into the system, once it has anything classified on it, becomes that level of classification. In other words, any CD that is burned, any floppy, thumbdrive or any other removable media, all classified to the highest level of any information on that system. If that system is connected to a classified network, then it is to the highest classification level of that network. Also, you have to seperate that classified system at least 3 feet from any unclass system. Also, you are right, the system must have a removable hard drive and that drive and any classified media must be secured in a GSA approved secure container such as a safe and that safe must be treated as classified also to the level of the highest classified item in it. There are Regs that cover all of this and the commander of the unit or installation may have rules regarding removable media (what is and isn't allowed).

      Hope this helps.

    59. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by HD+Webdev · · Score: 1

      A big part of security is PHYSICAL security. Physical access to these systems is strictly controlled. In the classified areas I've worked in, you're not even allowed to bring in a cell phone. So it's not likely anyone would be allowed to bring such a device as a USB wireless adapter.

      That is very true but the thing is that since it's not likely, security won't be watching for that quite as much unless they are hardware geeks. They'll be looking for obvious things like cell phones (pictures, recording) yet could easily miss seeing (or knowing what it is) a wireless USB adapter if it were shipped in and packed with other hardware especially if its case is gone.

      It's like "nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!". It's what's not expected that often bites people in the ass.

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    60. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by magarity · · Score: 1

      disable floppy
       
      Disable it? Don't bother! Disabling it in BIOS implies preventing someone from sitting there next to it from using it. Guess what: There's NO SUCH THING as security when sitting in front of the main computer part of a system. Turn your back long enough to get a drink at the water fountain and any technically sophisticated attacker can have the HDD out of the case and into their pocket. Put the computer locked in a room with cables leading out for the monitor, KB, and mouse. If the user needs to input via a CDROM then just get external SCSI, non-hotswappable. That prevents the problem with USB and access to the floppy disk. Further, use only PS/2 KB and mouse. A determined attacker could cut the cable to a USB KB and splice in a USB disk. Then thanks to Windows GUI simply mouse click and paste all the data out to the newly attached USB disk.
       
        Sure, it sounds paranoid...bit is it paranoid enough?
       
       
      No, but my scheme gets a little closer to the paranoid ideal.
       
      Output is the trick. The original questioner wants to use the computer in question to design things. I assume the plans need to come out of the computer and go somewhere to be built into things. How to have a safe method for extraction is the question but we don't know if it needs to be printed to a plotter or what.

    61. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Just off the top of my head:

      * Strike Targets
      * Wartime ship location
      * OPFOR intelligence
      * Nuclear propulsion control/information
      * 4CI for operational control and nuclear weapon authorization.

    62. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by maotx · · Score: 1

      If you're asking about this (publicly - on slashdot!), then you shouldn't be in charge of this!

      I beg to differ. I do not see any problem discussing the problems and pros vs cons in building a secure computer. The closest I have to an ISSO is our FSO and he/she has not had any experience with setting up secure machines. He/she contacted DoD and they sent us outdated material. We are currently waiting for the correct documentation. What I have gone over I do not have a problem with, but as it is my first setup I wanted to know what to expect. Discussing non secure and non classified information anonymously in the public not only helps others who want to secure their computer to DoD standards but also does not compromise OPSEC. Thanks for your opinion though. We'll probably go with a vendor for convenience and experience and your post helped influence that decision. Thanks.

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    63. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 1
      it wasn't "Windows NT" that got the rating (as much as M$ hyped it, and I don't remeber the exact spec, but the spec gave the EXACT make and model of computer (and hence hardware spec (that didn't include a network card)) as well as the exact patch level of NT and it specified the applications installed.

      Of course -- in fact, that's the case with any such certifications. They never certify an OS as being secure -- they only ever examine and certify a specific installation, and any modification to that installation requires re-examination and re-certification.

      In short it wasn't generically Windows NT, or even Windows NT4 sp2.

      Just in case it wasn't clear the first time, I'll repeat: it is never generically any operating system, or other component. A certification is only ever given to a specific installation. After that's been done, most of the components that were used in that installation are placed on a certified products list. This basically helps others by letting them know that there is a configuration in which this product has been certified, so if (for example) that configuration fits their needs as well, getting their own installation certified is likely to be considerably easier than if they use an otherwise similar component.

      The statements I saw from MS at the time claimed that Windows NT had been placed on the "Evaluated Products List", which was absolutely correct. That's not the same as claiming that NT in general had been certified.

      Here is what MS has to say on the subject (I'm not sure, but one-time registration may well be needed to view that). Note in particular that far from claiming that the OS in general was certified, they specifically point out (as I did above) that an OS is never certified, but that the OS was placed on the Evaluated Products List. While this page mentions a certification of NT 3.5 (and a similar certification of NT 3.51 in the UK) they don't mention a certification (also at the C2 level) of WIndows NT 4.0 Server.

      Anybody who cares can look at the entire Evaluated Products List.

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    64. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sure, it sounds paranoid...bit is it paranoid enough?"

      It's not paranoia if they are _really_ after you...

    65. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 1
      It also required that the entire IP stack be deleted. It was quite a joke in the computer security business at the time.

      It was a joke primarily among the clueless. A certification of an "operating system" was entirely separate from a certification of a "networking component". One of the first steps in certifying almost anything as an operating system was to remove all the networking (not just the IP stack).

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    66. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Zaurus · · Score: 1

      And don't forget the requirement that the non-removable floppy drive on the specific hardware they certified was to be sealed shut with epoxy. On a more personal note, I would stick epoxy in any available crevices on any given windowez box anyway, including those pesky "ventilation" holes. Keeps it nice, secure, and toasty.

    67. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My suggestion is for this administrator to find work in the public sector, where he won't be putting national security at risk. Yikes! When I read this, all I could think is great...they hired the intern to run the network. I know our government is looking to save money, but geesh, hire some talent. You would think that the DoD would be able to attract the talent they need and pay them accordingly in order for this to be a non-issue. Perhaps I'm biased with my years of experience in IT, but what this guy is asking is pretty straight forward. Anyone with few years of experience should be able to tackle this project. Especially since the government does have organizations like, NIST. Not to mention the DoD has probably written procedures on this - I'm sure he's not the first administrator to have to secure some boxes. Oh well...good luck partner...

    68. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "However to give MS credit, do recall a professor who was a former NSA employee stating that a version of Windows NT achieved a C2 trusted rating."

      I believe this final C2 certification was attained by pulling the AC plug out of the machine and socket. Once this last procedure was performed, the MS box was secure!!

      Just a joke, but, I do remember that reading up on this in the past...the level it was run at to be C2...really wasn't much more useful than not being plugged in in terms of what you could do with it...

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    69. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by poolmeister · · Score: 1

      What about hard disk/removable disk encryption?
      I work for a financial company who is naturally highly concerned with data security.
      All portable devices that we deploy use data encryption, even our PDA's SD cards use encryped files systems.

      In relation to maotx's query, all our laptop's hard disks are encrypted at the sector level requiring the user to login with a username & password just past the BIOS stage, just to access the hard disk. The mini-PCI WLAN cards are removed and IR & Bluetooth is disabled
      For this we use PC Guardian's Encryption Plus which uses 256bit encryption and also supports removable disks
      The removable disk feature is good because the encrypted removable disk can only be used on the PC that initially encrypted the disk and without the correct username & password, the disk is useless.
      Just make sure that your users don't write down the username & password anywhere.

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    70. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "You cannot use the machine in both a classified and a non-classified environment. "

      This is a good rule of thumb, but not absolutely true. You can run under both classified and unclassified mode, but you must have removable drives and a sanitization procedure for going from one level to the other.

      Your best friend through out this long, cumbersome task will be your facilities Information Security officer. He/she will (hopefully) be able to guide you through this process, or at the least, should be able to direct you to the military branches appropriate documents (e.g. Army = 25-2) as well as DISA for the parent information.

      P.s. whomever gave you the timeline of 1 week for a plan should be informed that it will take on the order of 1+ month(s) if you have not done this before.

    71. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Buran · · Score: 1

      Uh yeah. So you're going to epoxy your mouse port? Have fun drawing in CAD apps with no mouse. Brilliant!

    72. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by sosume · · Score: 1

      Lots of stuff WILL be thrown up in the air if someone connects a USB wireless adapter.

      Really. And how will this person be able to install the driver and configure the network?

      If you really want to get data out you can always take a screenshot with your mobile, though.

    73. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Bangback · · Score: 1

      Gotta love all the useless comments. The key is not the standard. It is satisfying DSS (Defense Security Service) whose local rep has to approve your countermeasures.

      In most standard office environments, this is how we did it: Buy a computer Buy a certified "container" that is permitted to hold classified information. (This is normally a special file cabinet with a $1000 lock). Use the proper logs to track opening and closing the container. Put the container next to the computer. You can never leave an open container unaccompanied. You can never leave secret material unaccompanied (even bathroom, etc.) Use a removable hard drive so you can lock the secret hard drive in the cabinet rather than the whole CPU (they do make containers that hold the CPU). Label the hard drive, CPU, and printer with secret stickers. No network within 10 feet of the computer. The annoying part is that DSS may require a full security package with diagrams, etc. You will need a specialist to create this package -- impossible to do it from scratch.

      The issues that others brought up about floppies, USB, etc. are overblown. You can always figure out a way to get data out if you're a spy. Those are not requirements unless DSS tells you or you choose to do them as a mitigation strategy.

    74. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by xMilkmanDanx · · Score: 1

      While the post (I assume) was intended to be humorous, part of the physical security should include shielding/isolation to avoid someone with RF or inductive pickup. A wireless adapter would be pretty useless in such an environment.

    75. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      Sounds pretty interesting, I'll have to check that out.

      Though it was meant to be a joke [phishing] for classified or indicators,..

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    76. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by budgenator · · Score: 1

      WOW just like in the movies! Do you write movie script for SciFi network too, or are you that guy that retired from the military 15 years ago and is listed in the end credits as the military consultant because you were a supply clerk?

      You want physical security, read the current reg's don't guess and don't go by what they did a year ago, don't go by /. read the reg's talk to the official experts officially.

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    77. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by nosphalot · · Score: 1

      Or they could just use that good ole PS2 mouse port. You know, the one on all the computers still sold. Las I checked, even use mice come with adapters to allow them to plug into a PS2 port, but I have yet to find a adapter to let a USB thumbdrive copy data via the PS2 port, but damn wuld that be a neat hack.

    78. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Buran · · Score: 1

      Last time we got a machine in at work, it had no PS/2 port. We had a bunch of PS/2 mice with no way to plug them in!

      So yes, it's quite true that new systems usually/often don't have PS/2 ports anymore. Keyboard, yes ... but mice are going USB for very good reason these days. No need to worry about what platform you're using. Just plug it in.

      So no, you often can't just rip out that port and expect to have a mouse or trackball.

    79. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Decker-Mage · · Score: 1

      "..they hiring?" That was my question as well. I'm glad I read the thread completely first. I'm even authorized to do micro-miniature (2M) and TEMPEST repairs :-). Those regulations were no fun at all.

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    80. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      ...and make certain that autorun of CD-ROMs is disabled in the registry.

      Sure, it sounds paranoid...bit is it paranoid enough?

      Not paranoid enough to avoid Windows like the plague.

    81. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by nosphalot · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. I hadn't seen a machine without two PS2 ports. My bad.

    82. Re:Don't ask Slashdot by SharpNose · · Score: 1

      I'd want to go so far as to remove the USB ports from the motherboard. The principle here is to try to not rely on the operating system or software to *not* be able to so something the hardware can do. Regarding diabling CD autorun, I'd want to see if there were any way to "break" a CD drive so that taht just wouldn't work, ever.

  5. Permission to state the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are not qualified for your job. Quit.

  6. I've never had to worry about this... by jayhawk88 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is you're experience in setting up a secure computer and is it better to have a vendor do it, or yourself?

    ....but my gut says "vendor", if for no other reason than a little CYA.

    1. Re:I've never had to worry about this... by some2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      CYA is exactly why you'd want a vendor to do the build. They have E&O insurance to cover their asses if they screwed something up -- you just lose your job. Also much less work & worry for you if someone does tamper with the equipment as they will have already designed a methodology to review the break-in/tampering to determine the amount of data lost. If the company doesn't have that, don't use them.

  7. A few too many 's'-es by jrockway · · Score: 5, Funny

    Buildings secure computers? Computers secure building? What?

    Oh, you meant "building secure computers".

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    1. Re:A few too many 's'-es by Basehart · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was halfway through building a lego house next to my computer to make it more secure before I realized it was a typo.

      Duh

    2. Re:A few too many 's'-es by Tackhead · · Score: 1, Insightful
      > Buildings secure computers? Computers secure building? What?
      >
      > Oh, you meant "building secure computers".

      In Soviet Russia, security clearance loses you!

      Seriously. To the original poster, you are probably asking the wrong audience, and you are definitely risking your clearance by doing so.

      Find the guidelines. Read the guidelines. Learn the guidelines. Think of things you would do in order to circumvent those guidelines.

      And then, even if it's possible to do it yourself, do not do it yourself, but have a vendor do it. When you find a vendor that offers something that neither you, nor your fellow (cleared :) geeks can come up with a decent means of circumventing, you're probably on track to finding the right vendor.

      Security is a process (umm, a process which you've probably broken by bringing this up here :), not a product. Avoid any vendor who appears to be in denial on this point.

      As for you asking this in the wrong place, the only hint I can offer is to read the responses at "0" (or even -1). If there are vendors worth avoiding, some Anonymous Coward will probably be around help (or hinder :) you. Some folks with moderator points may choose to help you, but the people most qualified to help you with mod points may very well choose not to help you, if you catch my drift.

      Good luck. Because if you're asking here, you'll need it. :)

    3. Re:A few too many 's'-es by maotx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Good luck. Because if you're asking here, you'll need it. :)

      Ha. I'm asking here to hear a unique POV. From the trolls to the pros. From the "use SeLinux and not windowz" to "see DoD". I can meet the standards requested without a problem rather through a vendor or self built, I'm just here for perhaps a little more insight or ideas of well tested methods. We can already create a machine that will have a removable hard drive and meet the standards, but I wanted to hear if anyone had any unique way of installing Windows or any other bit of advice. I don't see how I violated OPSEC as it is just really discussion of public knowledge. You can't tie me to which company I may be working for or if I just threw this question out for the hell of it. Nothing of how or which company this is for or even for what customer. You could get more information from press releases.

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    4. Re:A few too many 's'-es by cide1 · · Score: 1
      You work for Phoenix International

      Using the latest in computer aided design and analysis software, Phoenix provides technical support in the design and development of towed, autonomous, and remotely operated systems used to accomplish underwater tasks. Capabilities include concept developments for sea floor installations, deep water moored data collection systems, and all aspects of the deployment and recovery of the installations.

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    5. Re:A few too many 's'-es by identity0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sneaky Hobbittesses, afters my preciousss CAD worksstationssss...

    6. Re:A few too many 's'-es by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      I think "Building secure computers" is a Star Trek voice command - like "Computer end program". Maybe the building is computer controlled and can lock the computer room door by voice command? Just thinkin'

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    7. Re:A few too many 's'-es by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In soviet russia, building secures computer!

    8. Re:A few too many 's'-es by corvair2k1 · · Score: 1

      If you think only one of the DoD's companies are using CAD software extensively, you need to look some more.

  8. Spelling Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is you're experience in setting up a secure computer and is it better to have a vendor do it, or yourself?

    Oh yeah trolls? My text is encrypted in rot26. Any reposts and/or making fun of my error is evidence that you broke my encryption. I shall be sending dmca agents over shortly.

    1. Re:Spelling Nazi by maotx · · Score: 1

      What?

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  9. Mine by Deltaspectre · · Score: 0

    I have a fairly secure computer squared away between my ears. Every once in a while it will over heat and quit, but that's fine with all the advanced functions it has like "Sneezing" and realistic "Artificial Intelligence". It is very good at being a CAD, with only one problem... it doesn't interface with PAPER at as good of a quality as some other head computers.

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    1. Re:Mine by LordNightwalker · · Score: 1

      It's not as secure as you might think; the relative effectiveness of the bar-hack has been proven time and again. The technique consists of saturating the device with plain old alcohol, which on the organic apparatus you describe has the effect of making the output devices more permeable to the sensitive data, up to the point where a simple query will suffice to extract said data.

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    2. Re:Mine by RumpledElf · · Score: 1

      That got a giggle out of me. Love the language you used. Mind if I swipe that comment and put it on my *other* website? Please :)

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  10. Secure computer by AVazquezR · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Build it yourself. I wouldn't rely on any manufacter.

    1. Re:Secure computer by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Build it yourself. I wouldn't rely on any manufacter.

      It still has to be made of parts, and generally those parts are made by manufacturers...

    2. Re:Secure computer by andy+jenkins · · Score: 1

      A manufacturer who advertises secure computers probably has faith their product won't get them sued into oblivion.

    3. Re:Secure computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the parts are created via Intelligent Design. Or do you really think humans are capable of designing such amazing devices like Intel CPUs by themselves?

    4. Re:Secure computer by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not if it's an Apple computer! Apple computers are not made, they are birthed from the vagina of a mystical creature who has nice tits.

      !?!

    5. Re:Secure computer by briancurtin · · Score: 0

      how is this insightful? maybe it is insightful to newborn babies, but i dont think any of them post here.

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    6. Re:Secure computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You mean a woman?

    7. Re:Secure computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    8. Re:Secure computer by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Not if it's an Apple computer! Apple computers are not made, they are birthed from the vagina of a mystical creature who has nice tits.

      Suddenly, the idea of buying a Mac Mini seems far less appealing to be now.
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  11. I heard that... by rbarreira · · Score: 5, Funny

    I heard that the first step towards building secures computers is to be attentive to small details such as spelling and grammar.

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    1. Re:I heard that... by Mazem · · Score: 3, Funny

      That grammar is so bad it has to be intentional. I just don't get the reference.

      Ask Slashdot: Building Secures Computers?
      Security
      Posted by Cliff on Wednesday August 24, @07:32PM
      from the even-keyboard-adccess-won't-make-it-easy dept.
      maotx asks: "Growing into the job of a system administrator, I've been tasked with something I'm not quite prepared for: purchase or build a computer that meets DoD compliance for classified 'Secret' information. Several vendors, including Dell our primary supplier, offers computers that will work, but being new to the criteria I want to make sure the right computer is purchased. The computer will be used to create secure CAD drawings (Solidworks, OrCAD, etc) and must have, from what I can tell, a removable hard drive and security stickers to prevent tampering. What is you're experience in setting up a secure computer and is it better to have a vendor do it, or yourself?"

    2. Re:I heard that... by Mazem · · Score: 1

      Oh, I almost forgot:

      What is you're experience in setting up a secure computer and is it better to have a vendor do it, or yourself?"

    3. Re:I heard that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey jackass, not every human speaks English natively.

    4. Re:I heard that... by maotx · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And that is why I am a sysadmin and not an English teacher. That and I didn't proofread. I submitted the question with two other articles and didn't expect any of them to go through. Besides, it's Slashdot, not my grammar/spelling teacher. My documents by far show a much higher level of thought and education.

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    5. Re:I heard that... by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      Well, mr. jackass 2, first of all I don't speak english natively either. Second, if that guy is involved with the DoD, I'd suppose it's probable that he does.

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    6. Re:I heard that... by Mazem · · Score: 1

      Hey, I'm not a grammar nazi, I just thought there might be some inside joke I was too thick to get.

    7. Re:I heard that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the spelling mistakes you'll see on the internet are the result of people being lazy, really.

  12. You cannot do it most likely by gtrubetskoy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Though I have never worked for DoD, here is a guess on how this works:

    If you are building this system for DoD at a request from DoD, then you have what is called a "need to know", which qualifies you for getting a security clearance sufficient for you to receive the exact requirements for such a system after that it is simple just meet the requirements. Of course, once (if!) you get the clearance (and this is an expensive, tedious and long long process involving the polygraph in some cases) and are given those documents, you will be forbidden from sharing this information with anyone else without breaking the law and risking a severe penalty.

    If youre not building it for DoD, (or for them but not at their request - e.g. in hopes they'll buy your product), then you have no "need to know" and cannot apply for clearance and be revealed the requirements.

    Im guessing its the latter (or you wouldnt be posting to /.), so the answer is you simply cannot build such a system because you cannot know the requirements.

    1. Re:You cannot do it most likely by Brandon+K · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking he is using them for a company he is part of, which needs the documents to be stored under Department of Defense standards, to prevent stealing of their data.

    2. Re:You cannot do it most likely by maotx · · Score: 3, Informative

      To clarify:

      Our company is rated for 'secret' information. We currently have classified information, it is just paper right now. We have been requested to expand our capabilities so we may develop new products to meet the demands. We have a set of papers that are pretty light on the details of what is required for a computer to be certified for secret information, but it does not go into enough details for us to have an open mind about it. If we want a secure computer, thats easy. Case sealed with stickers, operating system and software installed on removable hard drive, no network card, and a paper trail going all the way down to the details of the last person who sneezed on it.

      What I was really trying to ask was, "In your experience, is the extra money going into a vendor worth it or, is it better just to by a chassis and setup a machine yourself?"

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    3. Re:You cannot do it most likely by DaEMoN128 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No network is not a DoD requirement. Not being connected to an unencrypted netowk is. If you have an accredidted Secure Network.... you can network these. It is worth the extra money... trust me. I have been in your shoes. Contract writers like warrenties.

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    4. Re:You cannot do it most likely by ebooher · · Score: 1

      It's not that expensive. You just need to be on a secured base performing a legit job function (ie copier repair) have the Captain who is supposed to escort you off base just wave you on which causes you to see something you aren't supposed to at which point you are interrogated for 48 hours at the end of which you are granted Leve...... NO CARRIER.

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    5. Re:You cannot do it most likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as a Secret Clearance with a polygraph. Nice try. Plus the post didn't ask about getting a security clearance at all.

    6. Re:You cannot do it most likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Gee, that was amazingly incoherent.

      The requirements for classified storage (electronic or otherwise) are not themselves classified. (Mostly.) And we are not being asked about what it takes to get a security clearance, but the relative costs & benefits of buying a system certified for classified information storage vs. building one yourself.

      Yes, it needs to be sealed, and yes you need to be able to remove the hard drive and lock it up assuming the computer will not occupy a suitably secure physical location. That part's easy enough. If you have been presented with a set of TEMPEST requirements that are not satisfied by the building you're in, then it's pretty much a given that you'll have to buy the system complete from a vendor. You don't want to have to certify the thing yourself.

      There are also requirements for the network; secure ducting and so forth, and restrictions on outside connectivity. Obviously, none of that applies if this is going to be a standalone system.

    7. Re:You cannot do it most likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      This is a no-brainer. If you are a company it is not worth your time or effort to assemble a bunch of custom-built machines. That's why the overwhelming majority of companies buy pre-built machines. When you toss in the risk that your custom-built equipment doesn't meet guidelines, the choice is obvious.

      When you purchase the pre-built equipment, you are purchasing a service--a service which you most likely could not perform at the same price.

    8. Re:You cannot do it most likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pay a vendor to do this for you. Keep in mind that you are NOT trying to set up a computer to have a particular level of security, you're ensuring that you have a system that meets a particular set of DoD security requirements. That's NOT the same thing. For instance, one requirement I recall from the last time I did this is that all sysops/admins have to have passed recent drug tests to manage classified systems. This is a problem if your company doesn't do them as a matter of course.
      If you don't have expertise in this area, hire someone to provide a certified "Secret" capable system. It will be much less painful than doing it yourself.

    9. Re:You cannot do it most likely by MmmmAqua · · Score: 1

      Basic government security levels:
      1.) For Official Use Only (not important, really)
      2.) Classified (usually sensitive technical data)
      3.) Secret (much more sensitive technical or operational data)
      4.) Top Secret (stuff like nuclear weapons handling procedures, etc.)
      5.) Top Secret Compartmented, and up (who *did* kill Kennedy? These guys know.)
      Not that it's really important, but to avoid sounding like a n00b, "classified" is different from "secret".

      Also, if you want to know more about what the DoD considers a trusted computer system, look here. If you can manage to stay awake through the entire document you win a prize.

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    10. Re:You cannot do it most likely by The_Quinn · · Score: 1

      It is a bad idea to build computers from scratch every time, especially in a secure environment. You would be much better off buying a standard platform, doing a clean OS install on it, securing it as much as possible, then ghosting it (if Windows). Your ghost image is your baseline configuration. Then come up with a process for adding/managing patches until the next baseline.

    11. Re:You cannot do it most likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also through the miracle of (btw, is that a terrorist behind you?) fearmongering you also have the new "sensitive but unclassified" stuff. Which basicly covers everything the freedom of information act was once made for.

    12. Re:You cannot do it most likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The documentation is out there and easily found. Look at the NISPOM Chapter 8 and also look for "Setting up Technical Security in Windows 2000 for protection Level 1 Systems to DSS Minimums". Those two combined will give you what you need to know.

      You also need to to attend the proper trainings to be allowed to do things like be an ISSM.

      But here's some very important information that you somehow seem to be missing:

      Don't go posting that you have security clearance, and what the level of that clearance is for crying out loud. Go read attachment six of a standard AISSP. Don't advertise secure work, don't talk about clearance levels. By posting your clearance level on Slashdot you just gave millions of people the information that they need to know to figure out how your secure area is protected. You've also given information as to whether you are an open or closed container environment. And by not posting anonymously you've just told millions of people that you are a cleared individual. Go re-read the EPSQ.. Notice all of those questions about people blackmailing you to try to gain classified information? Those things are asked for a reason, buddy. I've been in secure environments for years, and I can tell you that there are people / foreign companies out there who are looking for people in your position that they can manipulate.

      Fine work. Never do this again.

    13. Re:You cannot do it most likely by iridium18 · · Score: 1

      Should read...
      2) Confidential

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    14. Re:You cannot do it most likely by iccaros · · Score: 1

      The first thing you need to know is how to write a SSAA (Site Security Accreditation and acceptance plan) Then it depends on which DoD agency who has the DAA (designated approving authority) as your company can not approve it, this will say if you need to use a DISA STIG, http://csrc.nist.gov/pcig/cig.html Or I it's the Marine Corps/Navy they will have there own checklist that is almost a direct copy of the STIG. USB drives are out along with floppy, and CD, while you may see a lot of people saying that you can have these on SABI (Secret and below infrastructure) its bad practice. You want only one point of entry for your system. Standard Pratice in places that actually follow the Regulations, is have a Security person (ISSO,SSO,AISSO) with a floppy and or CDrom and they are the point of entry for all incoming data. This data is then virus scanned, labeled, logged and put to a file share. As the first rule of Government security is you can not trust the users to do this. Then one of them works on a document at home, is infected but does not know with the new windows virus out there, slaps this floppy or cd into his system, thinks, "It's safe it came from my computer", and infects the entire network. You now have a security violation where you will have to do lots of paperwork, like, how did unauthorized data enter the network. Also you need to have an agreement that under repair or if you lease the computers. The Hard Drivers will not return with them.

    15. Re:You cannot do it most likely by starfishsystems · · Score: 1
      We have a set of papers that are pretty light on the details of what is required for a computer to be certified for secret information

      This seems incongruous to me. You've either (a) been given a set of security requirements under the terms of your contract, or (b) you haven't.

      a) If you have, then you have the means of deciding whether to build or buy a solution which meets them. There's no point in asking Slashdot for guidance when we don't know what your requirements are. At best, you'll just get speculative nonsense.

      b) Conversely, though it seems unlikely that there would be no specific security requirements in a DoD contract, if that's the case, then you would be free to use your own judgement when developing a solution. Of course, if you judge wrong you'll end up with an unhappy client.

      What I was really trying to ask was, "In your experience, is the extra money going into a vendor worth it or, is it better just to by a chassis and setup a machine yourself?"

      Well, that answer would depend on the specific requirements, wouldn't it?

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    16. Re:You cannot do it most likely by Decker-Mage · · Score: 1
      Vendor. Period. You don't even want to deal with the expense and delays in getting a home-built system compliant with DoD regulations. And that doesn't even address physical security which is a whole kettle of worms by itself. I spent much of my career in those vaults. I'd seriously consider a consultant/vendor for that as well. Someone with a track-record in the field and the right clearence level so that later site inspection issues can be addressed in case one should arise.

      As a matter of fact, I don't believe it's possible to build such a computer without certain specialized electrical/electronic engineering knowledge. TEMPEST is a pain. Been there, done that, burned the t-shirt. Not fun.

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  13. Novell Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use Novell Suse linux with built in support for encrypted filesystems......

  14. Recommendations by Elitist_Phoenix · · Score: 1

    What is you're experience in setting up a secure computer
    Don't use windows

    and is it better to have a vendor do it
    Yes, teamwork, a way to share the blame!

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  15. You've already violated protocol... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Wow...where to begin...

    First of all, soliciting advice on the construction of a computer that meets DoD compliance on Slashdot , of all places, is probably not the brightest of ideas...you might want to keep this from your employers if you are interested in keeping your job.

    Second, security stickers on their own simply aren't adequate to the task at hand. Remember, you're looking for tamper-proof, not merely tamper-evident...

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    1. Re:You've already violated protocol... by timmarhy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      any employer which is backward thinking enough to consider asking for advice from the wider community a bad thing, well i sure wouldn't care to work for them. next thing you will be suggesting posting to a mailing list should get you fired.

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    2. Re:You've already violated protocol... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, most DoD requirements are for tamper-evident rather than tamper-proof. DoD physical security requirements have no illusion that tamper-proof is even possible, but tamper-evident is well within reach.

    3. Re:You've already violated protocol... by choppahead · · Score: 1

      It is amusing me to read the opinions of people who are completely out of their element...

      I'm a SIGINT guy in the Army. I've spent a number of years now building/accrediting/auditing intelligence processing systems (READ: secure computers) and you silly little Slashdot geeks have NO idea what you're talking about when it comes to DoD red-tape.

    4. Re:You've already violated protocol... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say it that way.

      I see too many posts on other forums where people have jobs in which they should be qualified enough to either know how to do what they are doing, or know how to find that information without having to ask about it in a public forum.

      I'd say it is like someone that claims to be a UNIX developer asking about the basics of how to use 'tar'. It just doesn't look like a swift idea, and the person holding that job shouldn't be asking basic questions that show they don't deserve said job.

      In a recent example, a person whose job is to administrate a four processor Opteron computer running Linux had asked vague questions on how to get multiprocessing working. To top it off, this question was asked on a audio/video forum.

      Also, Slashdotters don't necessarily have the specific knowledge on how to do this and what is needed, and those that do probably aren't allowed to say.

    5. Re:You've already violated protocol... by maotx · · Score: 4, Informative

      First of all, soliciting advice on the construction of a computer that meets DoD compliance on Slashdot , of all places, is probably not the brightest of ideas...you might want to keep this from your employers if you are interested in keeping your job.

      I don't see a problem with it. Information on how to classify a computer is not classified.

      Second, security stickers on their own simply aren't adequate to the task at hand. Remember, you're looking for tamper-proof, not merely tamper-evident.

      The stickers are DoD required to prove that the system has not been tampered with. They are not a means of securing the computer.

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    6. Re:You've already violated protocol... by 0x0000 · · Score: 1
      It is amusing me to read the opinions of people who are completely out of their element...

      Heheh. Yeah, but responding to them is more fun...

      I'm a SIGINT guy in the Army. I've spent a number of years now building/accrediting/auditing intelligence processing systems (READ: secure computers)

      ... uhm, I'm not fluent in yer .mil code speak, but if I understood you correctly, you just claimed to be in Army Intelligence? US Army?

      you silly little Slashdot geeks have NO idea what you're talking about when it comes to DoD red-tape.

      So are you bragging or complaining? Not all slashdot geeks are silly or little, you know - some of us are big and morose... with wicked, evil, jaded senses of humour about terms like "army intelligence"...:D

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    7. Re:You've already violated protocol... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      and you silly little Slashdot geeks have NO idea what you're talking about when it comes to DoD red-tape.

      And we also have no idea what it's like to rape a screaming woman next to the deady body of her child while her village burns. But we know it's bad and that you're a fucking murderer in the name of country, king, and oil. Just because we're out of our element doesn't mean we can't form and opinion and give some advice - in fact, our advice has the benefit of being free of red tape and the blood of innocents, so perhaps you'd better fucking listen up, jar head.


    8. Re:You've already violated protocol... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Isnt it illegal to even disclose that you're working on making a secure site for $high_classification data for the govt?

      My idea was it was very illegal to even say that. Oh well, hopefully this idiot doesnt get properly certified because of this "stunt".

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    9. Re:You've already violated protocol... by billmustdie · · Score: 0

      oh boy, you must be dealing with some low level MRE ingredients lists, or something.

      Our tamper-evedent seal was the slight puff of smoke coming from sarge's weapon. (only 1/2 kidding)

    10. Re:You've already violated protocol... by maotx · · Score: 1

      Slashdot geeks have NO idea what you're talking about when it comes to DoD red-tape.

      Then by all means share some of your insight. The point of the question was not to discuss classified information or to disclose information that will compromise your system, but to share your insight on problems you may have had with vendors or what you may have done to go beyond the minimum requirements. Building the dang thing is a no brainer, what I want to know is what unexpected should I expect?

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    11. Re:You've already violated protocol... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because we're out of our element doesn't mean we can't form and [sic] opinion...

      Just because you're out of your fucking mind doesn't mean that your opinion is worth half a shit. Listen up? To who? Morons like you? BZZZT...pass....

    12. Re:You've already violated protocol... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. You're more amazingly full of yourself than anyone else I've ever seen on /.! Don't take that statement lightly; it's quite a feat! Good luck with that attitude, I'm sure it's bound to take you places. My condolences to your cow-orkers.

    13. Re:You've already violated protocol... by dtfinch · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm a SIGINT guy in the Army. I've spent a number of years now...

      The myspace account you link to suggests that you may have just recently graduated from high school.

    14. Re:You've already violated protocol... by Phillup · · Score: 1

      jar head

      Fer christ's sake, the dude said he was in the army.

      You could at least learn to tell the differnce between a soldier and a marine before you ask them to rip off your head and shit down your wind pipe...

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      --Phillip

      Can you say BIRTH TAX
    15. Re:You've already violated protocol... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isnt it illegal to even disclose that you're working on making a secure site for $high_classification data for the govt?

      Only if it's true.

    16. Re:You've already violated protocol... by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      your an arrogant idiot. and your attitude is typical of what i experienced in the army (yes thats right). not everyone who reads and posts here is 15 living in mums basment playing rpg's. I know you are trained to think civies are inferior scum, but try to think past that if you can.

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    17. Re:You've already violated protocol... by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1
      Securing computers is as much a political problem as a technical one. I was in such a position recently, and we never got anywhere thanks to people not understanding what can and cannot be secured (but thinking they did, or knowing they didn't but desperately blowing smoke for fear of losing their jobs), how easy or hard particular goals are, or even agreeing on the goals, or even feeling comfortable discussing anything as some felt such discussions could possibly violate security not to mention reveal things to competitors and enemies. People tried very hard to CYA, and to say as little as possible so someone else would be blamed for lack of progress or leaks. Of course, security was abused to cover up problems and ignorance. As in, if anyone found a flaw in a security measure, and it wasn't easy to fix (such as a bug in proprietary closed source software), they'd "fix" the problem by trying to make the circumvention method classified info. The system admins were NOT going to try anything experimental because their necks were on the line-- not only could they be merely fired, they could be sent to jail.

      Sounds like your problem isn't all that difficult. You don't have to communicate with a network. There are many military standards that might be acceptable. Some have mentioned security levels such as A, B, C2, and so on. Those are from an old standard which has been replaced with Common Criteria, which are Protection Profiles and Evaluation Assurance Levels (EALs). EALs go from 1 to 7. (Incredible that no one has mentioned CC, PPs, and EALs yet.) EAL7 is roughly equivalent to A. EAL5 and higher are extremely hard to get-- last time I looked, there were only 2 things approved at those levels. Luckily, you won't need more than EAL4 and perhaps much less-- EAL1 might be good enough-- and quite a few things are EAL4 approved. There are also a fair number of labs that can test for up to EAL4 compliance. For what it's worth, Windows is EAL4 certified but only for a few PPs, and SUSE Linux is EAL3+ certified.

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    18. Re:You've already violated protocol... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Possibly he's not trained to think at all.

    19. Re:You've already violated protocol... by ElektroHolunder · · Score: 2, Funny

      So the first rule of DoD compliance is that you don't talk about DoD compliance?

    20. Re:You've already violated protocol... by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      > I don't see a problem with it. Information on how to classify a computer is not classified.

      That is true, but as is evident from many of the replies, many people don't understand this, so one should at least be careful -- you may be working with or for people (in either your own company or the client organistion) that don't understand this either.

    21. Re:You've already violated protocol... by choppahead · · Score: 1

      Apparently that URL was outdated. I just changed it.

    22. Re:You've already violated protocol... by choppahead · · Score: 1

      What does orking a cow entail?

    23. Re:You've already violated protocol... by thecaramelsensation · · Score: 1
      Good lord.

      Is there something on Slashdot that makes everyone want to violate OPSEC? Now we're giving out our billets and MOS's? You're a 98C.

      And?

      Tell him what division you're tasked with while you're at it.

      Jesus.

    24. Re:You've already violated protocol... by CyberSp00k · · Score: 1

      Incredible that no one has mentioned CC, PPs, and EALs yet.

      Not really. The original poster has to address his NISPOM issues before he needs to consider whether he even needs an evaluated computing platform for his processing.

      In my opinion, the big step from the Rainbow Series evaluations (TCSEC) to Common Criteria Evaluations (CC) was separating security functionality from system assurance. The evaluated assurance levels you note refer only to the assurance that the system was developed (and is operated) in a particular way. You can produce an EAL7 light switch if you want - it won't have much security functionality, but you can be assured that it does whatever it does with extreme reliability. :)

      --
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      "The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we CAN imagine."
  16. stickers don't prevent tampering by josecanuc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Security stickers" don't prevent tampering, they only indicate possible tampering.

    1. Re:stickers don't prevent tampering by Nermal6693 · · Score: 1

      On a related note, how tamper-proof are some of the lockable cases out there? I'd imagine that some cheaper ones are susceptible to a screwdriver.

    2. Re:stickers don't prevent tampering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you saying there's no value in knowing when a resource has been compromised?

    3. Re:stickers don't prevent tampering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but security stickers do not do anything but identify the fact that the system is classified, to what level, and by what authority. They are not used to prevent tampering or to indicate tampering has or might have taken place. Depending on the classification level they may be required on the cpu box, the keyboard, and the monitor. The only real thing they do is make a computer uglier.

    4. Re:stickers don't prevent tampering by Dorothy+86 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I locked mine while Moving it from my house to my dorm room, and Couldn't find the key immediately when I got it hooked back up. I used the Pointed part of one of those click pens (The cone shape, where the pen head comes out). It fit where it needed to, and I proceded to turn the lock with it.

      PC case locks are, by and large, pretty shitty.

  17. Building secures computers? Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Building secures computers? Yes, if the building has good locks. Even then, I'd invest in motion sensors and trustworthy guards.

  18. Don't ask IANA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Asking Slashdot about DoD guidelines is like asking an elementary school for details about the space shuttle."

    True. But we ARE good with law, business, and economics.

    1. Re:Don't ask IANA... by utnow · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know the line about how if you put a bunch of monkeys in a room with a typewriter long enough they'll produce Shakespere? Except the Shakespere is Mad© Magazine... and the monkeys... Yeah... that's Slashdot.

    2. Re:Don't ask IANA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      True. But we ARE good with law, business, and economics.

      Law is whatever is RIGHT, not what lawyers say. Business is that stuff that gets in the way of doing what is RIGHT. Economics is what interferes with doing the RIGHT thing, which is giving everything away.

    3. Re:Don't ask IANA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Law is whatever is RIGHT, not what lawyers say. Business is that stuff that gets in the way of doing what is RIGHT. Economics is what interferes with doing the RIGHT thing, which is giving everything away.

      The stupidy and naivety of that statement is truly staggering!

      I wish there was some sort of index for measuring the stupidity of a sentence. I'd wager that one was close to 10.0.

    4. Re:Don't ask IANA... by joelb1 · · Score: 1

      Morality deals with right and wrong. Not law. The best explaination of laws I ever heard was that 'Laws are the opinions of the person with the biggest gun.' In the United States, that would be the government. Business is doing whatever you can within the law to make $$$. (The US is a Capitalistic society, not a Socialistic society - no flaming please, I hold a bachelors in social work) Econimics is really an analytical science which studies how goods and services are distributed. (by people making money distributing those goods and services....) Only MORONS think everything should be free. (ok maybe health care and education... but everything else you should work for. ) Our 'free' society guarantees the equality of opportunity, not outcome. Putz!

    5. Re:Don't ask IANA... by cL0h · · Score: 1


      no flaming please, I hold a bachelors in social work

      Cool. Can you score me some drugs please??


      Econimics is really an analytical science which studies how goods and services are distributed

      I thought that was Economics.

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      cL0h
    6. Re:Don't ask IANA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does IANA stand for, I Am Not an Article?

    7. Re:Don't ask IANA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for proving his point.

    8. Re:Don't ask IANA... by rk · · Score: 1

      On a scale from 1 to 5?

    9. Re:Don't ask IANA... by joelb1 · · Score: 1

      Ok, so I suck as a typist.... (GRIN) jb

  19. Secure Stickers... by DavidChristopher · · Score: 0, Funny

    YES! That's what I need. Forget hardening the system, forget locking down the administrator! Forget DOD requirements. I'll put a STICKER on my machine and it will be secure!

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    1. Re:Secure Stickers... by RazorRaiser · · Score: 1

      hey! just like those stickers that make my neighbors car faster!

  20. A building that secures computers, interesting. by Agret · · Score: 4, Funny

    How does this building secure the computers? Does it use laser cutty things like on Resident Evil?

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    1. Re:A building that secures computers, interesting. by jd0g85 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think they use lasers that "weigh just 750 kg (1,650 lb) and measures (sic) the size of a large fridge" and are "powerful enough to knock out a missile." Oh, shoot. I think I got my stories mixed up again.

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  21. closed network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only totally secure computer would be one on a physically disconnected network and if the information is that valuable then this would be the only realistic solution.

  22. Talk to your FSO by ostrich2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you have to set up a secured computer and your Facility Security Officer can't direct you how (roughly), then there's no way you'll get classified information on the system. It's not like you can set up a computer and all of a sudden the government will trust you to put secure information on it. You need to have a written, approved procedure for doing so. Your DIS rep has to authorize you to put stuff on the system.

    At I place I used to work, we just bought Dells. (Heck, I think we even leased them!) When they were delivered, we'd put a standard image on them that did things like warn the users before they logged on, and turned on auditing on certain directories.

    1. Re:Talk to your FSO by maotx · · Score: 1

      If you have to set up a secured computer and your Facility Security Officer can't direct you how (roughly), then there's no way you'll get classified information on the system. It's not like you can set up a computer and all of a sudden the government will trust you to put secure information on it. You need to have a written, approved procedure for doing so. Your DIS rep has to authorize you to put stuff on the system.

      That we have. What I really want to know is what unexpected I should expect. The pros and cons with going through vendors as opposed to building the machine yourself. What extra steps did you take to go beyond the minimal requirements?

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    2. Re:Talk to your FSO by greulich · · Score: 2, Informative

      One little correction. You need to talk to DSS not DIS. They will have you develop a System Security Plan (SSP) according to the NISPOM chapter 8 guidelines. The approval process is usually pretty lengthy and will require a visit by the DSS reps.

      It bears repeating: Don't plan on this happening quickly.

      In fact it will take long enough that you should take the time to get a hold of the NISPOM and read and understand it before ordering your system. It is not difficult, just painful.

    3. Re:Talk to your FSO by CyberSp00k · · Score: 1

      It is not difficult, just painful.

      I am reminded of this exchange from The Magnificent Seven {http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054047/}

      [Calvera has just captured the Seven]
      Calvera: What I don't understand is why a man like you took the job in the first place, hum? Why, heh?
      Chris: I wonder myself.
      Calvera: No, come on, tell me why.
      Vin: It's like this fellow I knew in El Paso. One day, he just took all his clothes off and jumped in a mess of cactus. I asked him that same question, "Why?"
      Calvera: And?
      Vin: He said, "It seemed like a good idea at the time."

      --
      Spiritus ex Machina
      "The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we CAN imagine."
  23. Ummm by B4D+BE4T · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Even if anyone reading this did know, I'm pretty sure it's illegal for them to give you details.

    Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure it's illegal for you to even disclose the fact that you're building computers for a classified project...

    1. Re:Ummm by maotx · · Score: 1

      Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure it's illegal for you to even disclose the fact that you're building computers for a classified project...

      It is not.

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    2. Re:Ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't illegal, just considered inappropriate.

  24. if you have to ask... by xenomouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...I've been tasked with something I'm not quite prepared for...

    ...is it better to have a vendor do it, or yourself?

    If you have to ask the question, i think you already know the answer. I'm sure there are tons of great DIY methods of securing a computer, but if you are new to it (and you are), leave it to someone who has done it before.

    It would be great to get some first-hand, practical experience on the matter when you have a proper guinea pig, but a classified DoD computer is not said guinea pig.

  25. Not from dell by dj245 · · Score: 1
    The computer will be used to create secure CAD drawings (Solidworks, OrCAD, etc) and must have, from what I can tell, a removable hard drive and security stickers to prevent tampering.

    My advice- Don't buy from Dell. Not because they don't have good business computers (They frequently treat businesses ok) but because even within the same exact model number, different motherboards/video cards/sound cards are used because of price fluctuations. And we all know Dell buys the cheapest stuff possible. Pull one hard drive out of one of these systems and put it into another (seemingly identical) system that happens to have a completely different motherboard, and poof, blue screens of death all over the place.

    I've heard that Dell is decent to business buyers. But if you want to buy identical boxes with the chance to buy more in a few months time, you might want to steer clear.

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    1. Re:Not from dell by cameldrv · · Score: 1

      I doubt that putting the hard drive in another computer is an issue. The reason the hard drive has to be removable is so that it can be taken out and put in a safe overnight.

    2. Re:Not from dell by Zakabog · · Score: 1

      Pull one hard drive out of one of these systems and put it into another (seemingly identical) system that happens to have a completely different motherboard, and poof, blue screens of death all over the place.

      That's because the windows install doesn't have the drivers required for the motherboards IDE controller so it can't load windows from the hard drive. That's a frequent annoyance for me when a motherboard dies on one of my customers. Easy way to fix it is re-install windows. The hard way I forgot by now but it's possible (a search on google might turn up something.) Anyway, out of all the vendors available, Dell's the only one I'd ever buy from (this is being typed on a Dell laptop too.) They're decently priced good systems with some good support. Compared to cheap E-Machines, expensive Gateway 2000s and crappy HP/Compaqs.

    3. Re:Not from dell by itwerx · · Score: 1

      ...with some good support.
      [cough]-[sputter]
      Never had to call them, have you? :)
            But seriously, I've dealt with them off and on over the years and didn't think they were particularly good or bad. Hardware-wise they seemed to be improving gradually.
            So I signed up to be a Dell reseller a few months ago for the heck of it - took me over a week and almost a dozen faxes/emails because they kep losing the damn paperwork!
            But I thought to myself maybe I just had the bad luck to consistently deal with idiots in the tax dept.
            Then yesterday I spent three hours trying to get a 2-month old laptop keyboard with keys falling off replaced under warranty!
            I will never, ever recommend Dell ever again. The few dollars saved up front is more than burned to ashes by the time spent trying to get through to somebody with half a clue...
            (Only then did my wife tell me the saga of the six months it took her to get them to replace her completely dead laptop screen :).
            And the HP/Compaq end of things? Yeah, the low end consumer stuff is complete crap but the business class systems/servers are actually pretty decent. I like to be able to have a support rep on the phone in less than five minutes and have parts sent out overnight no questions asked. (Not that I have to call very often, other than a run of bad 72G drives awhile back nothing's died for any of my clients in years).

    4. Re:Not from dell by itwerx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For the curious, here's the log of a chat with their support during the keyboard saga.
      (A few things have been slightly edited to either protect my client's identity and/or get past the /. lameness filter, otherwise it's verbatim).

      Keep in mind the following takes place over an hour after the initial call was placed and I've already been hung up on twice, once by the automated system and once during a transfer between operator and tech.


      The session has been accepted.

      NAZIM_KHAN 12:51:24 PM Thank you for contacting Dell Technical Chat Support for Notebooks. My name is Nazim Khan, May I have the initial shipping address and phone number so that I can pull up your account details ?

      NAZIM_KHAN 12:52:10 PM Please let me know if you are receiving my message?
      Not to rush you, are you still with me?

      12:52:16 PM Name: E* S*
      Contact Address:
      Some Street
      Small Town, NY 12345-
      Phone: 123-456-7890

      12:52:52 PM Name and address is for client who will be there until Monday. Can somebody get to her before then?

      NAZIM_KHAN 12:53:56 PM I am afraid that we cannot proceed further without the initial verification, as the information you have given does not match with the records. Please provide with the telephone number and the address, as mentioned in the invoice (which you have used at the time of purchase).

      12:54:54 PM Ah, sorry!
      Address should be:
      PO Box 123, Small Town, CA

      Phone number I have no idea - that's her cell number.
      I had initially given the current location of the client, who was travelling at the time

      NAZIM_KHAN 12:55:38 PM E*, may be you have entered the wrong Service Tag, you have entered as AA0AA00

      12:56:58 PM My name is actually M*. I provide IT services for them. E* gave me that as the tag over the phone and her laptop is indeed a 6000 series Inspiron. Additionally the purchase date is about when she got it, so I am fairly sure that's the correct tag...

      12:57:53 PM Are we still connected?

      NAZIM_KHAN 12:57:54 PM I understand your concern , This information is required for the security and privacy of your account. As the information given by you doesnâ(TM)t match with our records, I am unable to pull-out your account details. Hence, We canâ(TM)t proceed further with the chat. I would suggest you to contact Dell Customer Care at 800-624-9897, to get the system information.

      NAZIM_KHAN 12:58:07 PM And feel free to contact us back, we would be more than happy to assist you. We assure you our best support all the time.

      12:58:25 PM I've tried to call them twice and keep getting hung up on!

      NAZIM_KHAN 12:59:51 PM I will suggest you to contact Dell Customer Care at 800-624-9897 and get the exact details and connect us back ,

      1:01:13 PM Please read what I just typed.

      NAZIM_KHAN 1:03:01 PM} I have read it and had suggested you to do some thing ( to contact customer care ) , As the information given by you doesnâ(TM)t match with our records, I am unable to pull-out your account details. Hence, As This information is required for the security and privacy of your account.

      1:03:48 PM How about if you guys call her?

      NAZIM_KHAN 1:04:45 PM For that I will give you the number its 800-624-9896

      1:05:43 PM Promise they won't hang up? This is getting VERY frustrating!

      NAZIM_KHAN 1:06:10 PM I understand your concern Believe me things will be fine, We are always here to help our valuable customer and make them happy .

      1:09:57 PM And this !@# automated system doesn't help!!
      I was back on the phone at this point and not terribly happy that the second number he gave me appeared to lead to the same automated system

      NAZIM_KHAN 1:10:17 PM Feel free to contact us back, we would be more than happy to assist you. We assure you our best support all the time.

      1:10:26 PM (I'm trying to get through it right now, what does it take to get a live person?!?!?!?!)

    5. Re:Not from dell by afidel · · Score: 1

      The other way is to make sure that the generic IDE drivers are included in at least one hardware profile. There is some detailed information in the Symantec Ghost manuals if you need the info.

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    6. Re:Not from dell by hughk · · Score: 1

      Your mistake was to choose Inspiron rather than Latittude. Latittude is their commercial line and has better support. Specifically, they haven't offshored their call centre.

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    7. Re:Not from dell by Zakabog · · Score: 1

      Did you ever think to yourself "Hey maybe I should call E* and find out her contact info so when I call Dell they don't think the laptop is stolen." Any company would have done the same thing. Tech support isn't going to call someone for you, to get information that you should have in the first place. If I need someone's phone number or address or whatever for tech support I ask that person.

      Let me try to tell you a phone conversation I've had with Dell tech support as best I can remember it.

      Them: Thanks for calling Dell blah blah blah name, blah blah, address, blah blah, serial number?

      Me: blah blah Bob, I'm trying to fix Mary's computer blah [Mary's Address] blah blah 12345

      Them: What's the problem you're having today?

      Me: Well I'm working on trying to figure out why this computer won't turn on. I swapped out the PSU, the RAM, the video card, everything except the motherboard, so I'm pretty sure the motherboard is shot.

      Them: Oh? Well bring it to such and such place and they'll swap the motherboard, it's still covered under warranty.

      Me: Thanks.

      I've never once had a problem with tech support and I always know that the information I give them has to match what's on their records. And I would never expect them to call someone, ever. It's my job to give them the right information, not their job to look it up.

  26. BYO by unixbugs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Easy as that. If you don't know enough to lock down a computer from the ground up having a vendor supply the service is not going to do you any good because you won't know how it works and you will be at the mercy of Tech Support during a crisis. We have spent years building our own linux distro with what most might consider an over-kill in RBAC and other model implementation. When the latest greatest exploits/bugs/worms hit the scene we go right in and rip up the source and its fixed on the spot that morning, no questions asked. Try getting that out of a 1-800 service. The bottom line is security, not accountability. If you want to make things happen then make them happen, don't wait for someone else to do it. If the NSA thought Microsoft or any other MSO was a big prospect in the contract we wouldn't have SELinux. I could be wrong about trusting the security of my systems to other people, but I can't afford to take that risk, can I?

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  27. security stickers by msbsod · · Score: 1

    Make sure the "security stickers" are washable. Seriously, most DOE sites require various forms of such stickers, too. At the same time they ditched secure systems like VMS. These days you see lots of Dell and Gateway PC's with Windows or Linux - and of course with security stickers.

    1. Re:security stickers by DaEMoN128 · · Score: 1

      Two words. TRUSTED SOLARIS.

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  28. Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computers left outside are hacked at rates many times higher than those secured in buildings.

  29. Stickers prevent tampering? by Dracos · · Score: 1

    Surely the Department of Homer Simpson, er, Homeland Security, will now outlaw naptha. Should go well with the duct tape.

    (naptha dissolves the adhesive on most stickers, making them easy to remove cleanly)

  30. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I saw a couple of non-slanderous posts which had good ideas. Just combine them and I am sure you will have your secure machines.

    1. Are the specs required to have a secure terminal, i.e. opening the case, using boot disks etc.
    2. Are there items sensitive enough to require a encrypted filesystem? If so, you don't necessarily need to use SuSE to do this.
    3. Are there requirements for the local/network authentication? i.e. retina, fingerprint etc? I am sure you could find a vendor for these solutions as well.

    Good luck, don't listen to people trying to tell you aren't qualified. Experience is not something alot of people would have with this.

  31. The Perfect Design by johnnytv · · Score: 0

    I for one welcome our new DoD computing overlords...I would expect that 'removable drives' would not be protected by stickers at all. Perhaps you should bury it in concrete and post sentries at all times to guard the files. Don't let vendors build anything, source it yourself...there's some fine mercenary computer builders out there..

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  32. At a guess, and only a guess... by suitepotato · · Score: 1

    I'm relatively sure you'd need to use two or more factor hardware and software encryption on multiple levels, an approved OS which would likely not be Windows given statements by Homeland Security, and some other things that I'm sure the people from the DoD will no doubt be only too happy to tell you if they want you to actually do something for them. They'll definitely tell you what to do. In excrutiating detail. They're funny that day.

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    1. Re:At a guess, and only a guess... by suitepotato · · Score: 1

      (sorry, that should read "They're funny that way.") See the sig before you go spelling nazi.)

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  33. ouch by lmeyerov · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are various levels of Gov. approved hardware/software security. The specifications are public.. but it'd be a waste of your time to figure out how to comply on your own. Furthermore, for most interesting levels, you need to go through a few cycles with outside verification. I think you should start making phone calls.

    1. Re:ouch by ktulu1115 · · Score: 1

      The NSA/NCSC has created classifications for trusted-OS classifications, this is quite different from standard government security levels (classified, secret, top secret, etc) - You can learn more about them at CSU

      These are only for the OS itself - any other hardware and software must be approved as well for true secure system. I'd recommend the submitter take a closer look into exactly how secure the system must be.

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  34. It's not about the hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm involved in IA (Information Assurance) on VA Class subs... for Voyage Management and Radar.

    A sticker and removable hard drive complying with IA is like saying that a power cord is what's needed to make a computer.

    At one point we had a meeting and reviewed the full blown DoD requirements for secure computing. Our estimation was that the resulting system would A) be unusable for anything due to the insane lockdown policies, and B) cost around a $million to configure and test to their specs.

    It's all about configuration.

    Ok, on the non-sensational side... other computers where I work, for dealing with classified data, are to be located in a certified secure room (forget the name of the certifying authority), and yes there is a "class" / "unclass" sticker on the PC, and yes, the hard-drive is removable, and yes must be stored in an approved safe while not being used. And access to the room is by approval only, with both a horribly hard to use combo lock, and a cipher door lock on top of that. Oh yeah, connection to the house-net is verboten. Any-net for that metter.

    And my facility is a low-brow Secret only site. Travel to certain DoD contractors with only a Secret clearance and you're treated like a second class citizen.

    It's all about configuration. (repeated intentionally)

    Be prepared for mind-numbing configuration, test and audit sessions.

    I am light on details because I do my best to stay at arms-length from IA at work... it's teh suxor

    w

    1. Re:It's not about the hardware by DaEMoN128 · · Score: 1

      if the system is sec/unclass, then yes, network is forbidden. If it is sec only, it can be connected to a sec high network. Not going to get into those details though.

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    2. Re:It's not about the hardware by utopia27 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Generally good advice.

      First, foremost, and always - consult your facilities security officer (FSO), read your SSAA (Site Security A.. A.. ?).

      Before you fire anything up or - heaven forefend - put any classified data on.. GET YOUR FSO TO INSPECT AND TEST.

      Configuration - ensure that you follow the CERT/NSA (http://www.cert.mil/) configuration guidelines (STIGs, http://iase.disa.mil/stigs/index.html), and employ, to whatever extent possible, the SRR (Security Readiness Review??) scripts.

      On a practical level, build your hardware, build your operating systems, harden everything down, validate with STIGs and SRRs, THEN install your applications, loosening security configs as required (WRITE DOWN YOUR VARIANCES), then go back and plug your variances to the extent you can and still have your apps work. Revalidate your STIGs and SRRs, then document remaining variances, check 'em with your FSO, and put 'em in the SSAA binder. Rinse and repeat until your FSO is happy ;)

      The extent to which you'll be able to network things together or have fixed hard drives depends on your facility SSAA - generally if you've got a SCIF environment, you'll be able to have a closed LAN (or maybe a SIPR connection), and be allowed to have fixed drive computers. If you don't actually have a full SCIF, then you'll probably have to have removable drives that can be secured overnight.

      THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT OUT:
      - wireless anything
      - dynamic USB devices (esp. storage), though fixed devices (keybd, mouse, certified CAC reader, &c.) are generally OK (don't worry, your config for hardening should take out all the dynamically loadable drivers...)
      - MANY SORTS OF PRINTERS - laser printers generally have too long a memory (on the drum) for the security folks - hard drives are right out (unless removed and secured), etc. CONSULT YOUR FSO
      - bootable media - never count on being able to boot your secure WS from fixed media - your hardening config should disable this capability (in BIOS)

      umm.... talk to other local admins. a lot.

      I'm not a certified security officer, but I play one at DISA

    3. Re:It's not about the hardware by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      ---Not going to get into those details though.

      God bless your soul (and body, and prison term in Guan..) if you do..

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    4. Re:It's not about the hardware by DaEMoN128 · · Score: 1

      LOL!! I meant about the details of a sec high network. The info stated was no where near classified :)

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  35. Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a little how the NSA makes there Macs secure.
    http://www.nsa.gov/snac/downloads_macX.cfm/
    There is also some more info there on how to secure other platforms,
    Combine that with stickers, biometrics http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Professional/puppy/index. html/ and such, your on your way to very secure computing.

    Cheers

  36. Easy by HairyCanary · · Score: 0

    All you need to have is a removable hard drive. When the computer is to be secured, the hard drive must be removed and placed into a safe rated for Secret information.

    I suppose this could be out of date information, but this is how we did it in the military in 1995. Just garden variety Gateway PC's at the time, but with a removable hard drive tray so we could through it in the safe. Even in '95 we no longer had to observe TEMPEST requirements for material classified Secret.

    1. Re:Easy by maotx · · Score: 1

      All you need to have is a removable hard drive. When the computer is to be secured, the hard drive must be removed and placed into a safe rated for Secret information.

      Thats what I keep reading pretty much. Stickers to show tampering on case and a very detailed audit log seems to be the only other addition to the requirements to have a computer rated for classified information.

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    2. Re:Easy by billmustdie · · Score: 0

      How large is the scope of installed workstations?
      Net Bios may help. But I get the idea you think hardware is the key.

      NOPE.
      White box it and call it a day. There's no way you can come up with a cost effective device that doesn't = a white box with some traces cut.
      Sorry.
      If your company has delt with secret.. you should know all the hardware involved with secret++.
      I'm thinking you're not a .mil, so... no more info.

  37. Simple by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 0

    Simplest way. Put it in a private room and only the people who NEED (not want, NEED) a key get it. Then make sure no one leaves the door open and you can get nothing more secure.

    Obviously it's easier to buy from a company, then you can go "hey Dell said it" and you keep your job.

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    1. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure, get idea! what about connecting it to a secure network. oh wait.....those don't exist. so now you have a totally secure PC that can't be accessed or have access to anything. Hmm being in the field, that "security" renders that box USELESS. try again!

  38. MICROSNITCH ALARMS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Movement sensitive when the PC is turned off, these alarms put out a LOUD alarm sound that can only be deactivated by turning the PC on, or turning the key.

  39. Secure PC by Jom112 · · Score: 1

    First off the DoD will not ever specify use windows NT and have a cisco firewall in front. What they will say is have a secure operating system and necessary network protection. The key is to eliminate possible ways of data leaving the PC. So no USB slots, or ZIP Drives. CAD drawings are relatively large in size so having a Floppy drive if fine. Also go with a vendor solution and then modify it. Showing the DoD that you purchased a secure PC and then made additional enhancements helps then saying you did everything yourself. Of course this was just all BS that you probably already figured out.

    1. Re:Secure PC by RoadDoggFL · · Score: 1

      Secret computers often have USB ports and floppy drives, even CD burners. They have these because of the existence of secret USB drives, floppy disks, even CD's. Just lock up the removable HDD and make sure the computer's a piece of crap. Seems to be the norm with what I've seen.

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    2. Re:Secure PC by Jom112 · · Score: 1

      Maybe consider painting the PC light pink. That should ward off any thieves...

    3. Re:Secure PC by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      I would say, after you build your computer semi-securely, go in there and nip off all the USB/firewire headers as well as "disabling" the attatched usb ports at multiple points (preferrably with a dremel tool or similar).

      Once the inside of the case is locked up in steel, leave one external port. Make it a scsi port and replace the connector with some other connector with a similar amount of pins. Its going to be hard enough to find a good scsi dvd burner but once you do, lock it into an enclosure that terminates to the opposite end of your modified connector. Take that drive and lock it away. If somoene needs to take data off of the system, they will have to retrieve the guarded drive from a highly clearanced person who will then watch them copy the data (or do it for them) and swiftly remove the drive as soon as they are done.

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  40. Two words by digitalgimpus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Two words:

    Duct Tape

    add some plastic wrap, and it's Dept. Homeland Security Approved as well. /sad, but true.

    1. Re:Two words by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Red, Metalic, Clear Or Grey?

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    2. Re:Two words by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1

      Grey and only Grey.

      There is no other Duct Tape.

  41. contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should provide a method of contact I dont think a slashdot forum is the place to discuss such things

  42. Take a class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to take the NISPOM CH8, Requirements for Industry (or something like that). It is offered by the DSS, but the waiting list is usually months. That class should tell you most of what you need to know.

  43. Once again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    somebody probably getting paid more than quite a few of us, asking Slashdot to do their job for them.
    Yay.
    While we're on this topic, does anyone want to write some code for me? I don't feel like really researching it on my own. I'll just ask Slashdot to tell me how to do it.

    1. Re:Once again.... by jasen666 · · Score: 1

      And in a way, it seems to be a valid method of research.
      Instead of looking for the data... have the data come to you.

      Lazy, but possibly effective.

  44. Well, a couple of general comments... by starseeker · · Score: 1

    I'm not a sysadmin, but there are certain universal constants...

    a) Get ahold of the standards that will actually be applied to test the system and what it actually needs to have/means to be in compliance. Understanding that comes first - make sure you understand it as well as you can (ideally at least as well as the vendor you're buying from.) A.K.A Operation Build BS Detector. ;-)

    b) Find out your responsibility - can you hand off responsibility for the computer being built to specs to the vendor, or will you ultimately catch the heat for it regardless of method of purchase? If you're in the hot seat you need to be very sure you can trust the vendor to do it right! In that situation perhaps doing it yourself might be the best way to be sure there are no unpleasant surprises in store, since you can make sure yourself you meet all requirements.

    c) Is there some former sysadmin around who has been through purchasing a system that meets these particular specifications before? They may make a good resource - there's nothing like having been in the trenches to teach you all the mistakes and how to avoid them.

    d) Do your department have performance reports compiled based on past performance of products purchased from your potential vendors? Also occasionally useful, particularly if you need hard data to justify a choice. This is not the way necessarily to pick the BEST system, but if you don't have the leeway to try a new vendor sometimes you have to go with the gold standard. (Microsoft built an empire based on this principle, and it's worse when you need something secure.) Indeed, I am surprised there isn't a vendor qualification process for something like secure computers, and "approved" vendors which constitute the only choices. If that IS the case, it's down to the usual questions when choosing between vendors - quality, price, performance, etc.

    e) Perhaps you could look at uses of BRL-CAD? IIRC some of its uses are classified, so perhaps people using that system could give you some good pointers.

    I'm assuming this computer is not networked, and physical security is the only criteria? If so operating system is not an issue, presumably.

    Best of luck!

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  45. Culpability by HowIsMyDriving? · · Score: 1

    If you build a computer that is compliant, then found out that it is not, and the shit hits the fan, you could be in big trouble. If HP or IBM builds that computer, and it is found out it is not compliant, but they state it is, and sell it as one, the shit hits the fan, and you are in trouble, but not the "get fired, and never work for the government again" kind like the building your own might do.

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  46. ok, your guess is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DoD/Navy have op-sheets for securing Windows machines for use on nuclear subs with warheads/etc

    try again.

  47. Three words by citking · · Score: 1

    Anonymous FTP access. Saves the hacker a lot of time and trouble, ya know?

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  48. Secure Site by eriksmithtex · · Score: 1

    Back in TI's DOD days this was handled by the computers all being in a vault room (like a bank vault - just a little bigger and with cubicles). Surprising not TEMPEST compliant. Regardless, the machines were TI Explorers (at least where I was at) and the only people who had access to the room were those that had clearance. Nothing special was done to these workstations while they were in production, but were destroyed in complaince with DOD mandantes when the project was done. Physical security is the only realistic, and probably only legal, way to make sure the machines are secure.

  49. Vendor by LnxAddct · · Score: 1

    Coming from someone with federal security clearance and who has had this issue themself, let the vendor do it. Its just easier and you know it will comply. You seem to not have dealt with this stuff before or you were improperly briefed when you got your clearance, so be warned that once the box is classified, anything that touches it must become classified or destroyed. Make backups of CDs before you use them in the machine because according to policy, if they are to leave the classified area, they must be destroyed. These regulations do vary with different levels of clearance, but the above requirements are most common. Regardless, slashdot is not the place to ask this question, there are government departments set up to handle this, and more importantly, your company's security officer should know exactly what is needed as it is his job. If your company doesn't have a security officer (or head of security, whatever they call him at your place), notify someone quickly because you are most likely violating a federal policy. Do not *ever* plug the computer in on a public network, you can't use the machine then (well you'll need a new harddrive). Once again, this all depends on the level of clearance this computer needs, but the above is the most common criteria I've come across.
    Regards,
    Steve

    1. Re:Vendor by maotx · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we're way past that. I'm really more looking for insight on what unexpected I should expect. What steps should I take to go beyond the minimal requirements. The pros and cons of having a vendor do it as opposed to building the machine yourself. Our FSO knows the minimal requirements to secure a computer but he/she is not IT nor can look at this with an open mind. I'm wanting to have this certify for what we need it now with the most flexibility for future growth.

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    2. Re:Vendor by LnxAddct · · Score: 1

      Okay well its good that you're that far along, I wish you luck the rest of the way. In reality, there isn't too much different physically from a classified machine and declassified machine. Its more about what you do with them and where they are and what networks they are on. That was mainly why my post listed things you can't do with it. I saw in another post of yours that you were asking about USB harddrives. Keep any usb storage medium away from the computer, the second they make contact you might as well start smashing the usb drive with a hammer. They are not recommended and too easy to walk away with and forget what is on them. A vendor will probably place tamper proof stickers here and there and place a lock over the power button or something, which is all good, but not necessary. I still recommend a vendor though simply to cover your own ass, plus the lock, etc... do provide an extra layer of physical security. Ideally though the computer would be in a secure location, i.e. an "open" room (restricted access rooms certified as secure, often having big steel doors and an active guard or something to that affect, at least at military conferences, and you can leave classified information lying around without fear), or a restricted area in your company so the lock might not necessarily be needed. My advice is, unless the computer will need to burn data on to discs (might be a big possibility though because of the CAD stuff), just have a dvd drive and not a burner. No floppy, no tape, no wireless card, no way (other then USB) for data to leave the computer other then over the secure network. Most of that isn't required but it makes it easier for the user to not slip up and forget. I've had more then one thumbdrive destroyed and a harddrive ripped out of my laptop from slipping up, oops :) So that would be an added benefit to those using it. If you are comfortable building your own box and dealing with the bitching if the harddrive crashes and you lose classified info, or some other bad scenario, go for it and build one, save a few bucks. I would recommend going with a vendor though, if your company can't afford it then they need to renegotiate the DoD contrat because its not enough money:) Cover your ass and go with a vendor. Any more questions feel free to reply or email me, I'm not an FSO but I'm pretty familiar with the requirements. One more thing, when purchasing the computer, make sure your not paying out the ass for a computer certified as "top secret" because the requirements are significantly more strict, regular "secret" classification is what I described above.
      Regards,
      Steve

  50. Doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having to deal with this on a daily basis, I can tell you that you are ultimatly going to be responsible for the computer, it doesn't matter what the vendor does, your name is on the dotted line and it will be your tail either way.

    Need to know is part of it, the other part is who's rules are you going to be going by? Nispom or some dod agency? Each one requires something a little different, also the protection level of the system will dictate how it is setup as well.

  51. Too strong a word. by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Editor is too strong a word for what is done by Slashdot staff. Person who clicks button to approve story is far more accurate, although lacking a certain panache.

    Dan East

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    1. Re:Too strong a word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about calling them "rejecters"?

    2. Re:Too strong a word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proof that people really can be replaced by a very small shell script!

    3. Re:Too strong a word. by Packets · · Score: 1
      Editor is too strong a word for what is done by Slashdot staff. Person who clicks button to approve story is far more accurate, although lacking a certain panache.


      Good lord. Is that all they do? I thought they often read what the story submitted wrote, and checked that the links weren't 404s!?

      Surely, I haven't seen a 404 on the front page for weeks!

      Of course, I think the editorial process is a load of bull too. 'Read the f---ing article' should apply to editors much more than mere story commenters.

      This story is a bit of a doozy tho. It's a "Ask Slashdot Something Stupid". I usually filter out this tripe by exlcuding 'timmothy' from appearing on my slashdot (done via user preferences), but occasionally his troop of story editing monkeys pick up the slack and approve tripe like this.
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    4. Re:Too strong a word. by Frankie70 · · Score: 1


      Editor is too strong a word for what is done by Slashdot staff. Person who clicks button to approve story is far more accurate, although lacking a certain panache.


      Person?
      I thought slashdot had appointed trained monkeys to do this as a part of it's last cost cutting exercise.

    5. Re:Too strong a word. by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      I heard the Slashdot editors were getting sued by Amazon over the one-click patent.

    6. Re:Too strong a word. by myBotPiko · · Score: 1

      I'm starting to believe that they only approve stories with bad grammar and spelling mistakes. All the stories I have submitted have been rejected so far... I think next time I'll skip the spelling and grammar check..

    7. Re:Too strong a word. by m50d · · Score: 1

      I believe the term you're looking for is "Monkey in a spacesuit".

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  52. Depends on the containment by rworne · · Score: 1

    There are two ways of securing the computers, but first you need to make a choice:

    1. Use the computers in an unsecured (unclassified) area
    2. Classify the entire area the computers are in

    If #1, you will need to make sure that the area has no uncleared personnel while the classified info is processed and that the drives on the computer are removable and lockable and can be placed into a secure area (like a Mosler safe) for storage when not in use.

    If #2, you will secure an area of the building. The advantages to this is that the entire floor or room is secure. PCs in this area can be regular off-the-shelf jobs because the room itself needs to be secured with an alarm, appropriate locks, etc. for access control.

    If you really want to get into the nastiness with classified data, try transferring data (unclassified) from a classified system to a non-classified one and see the hoops you need to jump through. Do it improperly and you have another classified system to deal with. That's a real pisser if it winds up being your personal notebook.

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  53. The obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. keep the lan off the internet
    2. think twice before you allow a laptop to be
          connected to the lan.

  54. Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail. by jinx90277 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most of what you need to know is contained on the Defense Security Services (DSS) Information Assurance website: http://www.dss.mil/infoas/ The guiding document for DoD contractors is the National Industrial Security Program Operating Manual (NISPOM). Classified systems have to go through a formal certification and accreditation process before they will be approved for classified processing. Since your ultimate goal is to satisfy the accreditor, you should contact him/her as soon as possible to have them explain what will be required and to hear their particular areas of concern so that you can address them early in your design. Security paperwork requires considerable time to fill out, and mistake can result in long delays in accreditation, or even the rejection of your system.

    However, it isn't enough to just build a system with the proper hardware and software configuration -- you also have to make sure that the physical environment and users will meet the requirements of the NISPOM. If you don't already have a facility clearance, then you have a significant issue to tackle before you can even build your system. I'm hoping that you are simply building a new computer to add to an existing classified network or house in an existing DoD closed area -- if not, you may find this to be a very daunting task.

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  55. I Heard.. by Comatose51 · · Score: 1

    I heard the Chinese will sell you a real nice 100% DoD compliant computer for really cheap. The only caveat is that you have to use their ISP for network connections.

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    1. Re:I Heard.. by 4nd3r5 · · Score: 1

      And if you testify that you are not chinese, and the goverment (chinese that is) is always right, they will alow you to surf p0rn on it.

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  56. TEMPEST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its been a while since I had anything to do with secure systems. However, when I used to do this stuff, DND (Canada's version of DoD) used a series of standards called TEMPEST. In general computers that dealt with classified information could not be networked in any manner. There are strict limits on the radio frequency emmisions that the computer can emit. With a good antenna and some hardware, it is possible to figure out what is on a typical computer screen from the emitted RF. The hard drives have to be removable. Normally the hard drive is stored in a safe, and only checked out when there is work to be done. In at least one case, we found it cheaper to build a TEMPEST chamber to contain the computers rather than buy half a dozen TEMPEST qualified computers.

    1. Re:TEMPEST by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Of course. And if you want, no NEED a device to watch monitors, look up Van Eck radiation.

      After a schematic for the receiver, you can hook up a standard monitor and watch peoples' doings up to a mile away. From what Ive made, it took a o-scope to do some tuning between different monitors..

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    2. Re:Tempest by ve3oat · · Score: 1

      TEMPEST (all codewords are in block letters) protection isn't so hard. I'm typing this on an old Pentium 2 built by HP in a TEMPEST-protected case, model Kayak XA, bought on the surplus market. It's a standard plastic case with solid shielding on the inside, finger stock around the edges, metallic screening to allow passage of air, etc., all connected together at power line ground potential. Nothing fancy, just carefully assembled by HP or their subcontractor.

      The case is a bit of a bugger to open and close but at least my computer doesn't interfere with my ham radio reception. Guess it must work :-)

  57. Possible way by varmittang · · Score: 1

    You could use a RAID 0 for the drives to make it less likely to steal the drives out of it. That you couldn't just walk out with just one drive and have all the info. Especially if you are working with large files and the system writes to both to keep speed hight. That someone would have to take all the drives to have all the info. This could last line of defense for what the person has to get out of the building with. And if they try for one drive one day, another the next, the PC will crap out on them since one drive is missing, thus drawing attention. But as they always say, nothing is safe unless its locked in a safe, and not powered on.

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    1. Re:Possible way by william_w_bush · · Score: 1

      That is not secure, there are tomes of regulations determining data security, including secure erasure levels and this won't cut it without some kind of integrated hardware encryption in the raid controller (these things are fucking expensive, and sold for a reason). Generally it's just easier to have a single small harddrive and good written procedures. Also, anti-tamper (tamper evident minimum) seals on the case to ensure it hasn't been comprimised internally, etc.

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  58. Secure computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a look at this "very readable" document: http://www.dss.mil/isec/nispom.htm Also look at: http://iase.disa.mil/stigs/stig/ Get some help! The DSS is the approving authority if I am reading your needs right (a computer used by a civilian contractor). If you didn't know about the DSS, you really need to find someone who knows the processes. Talk to your facility security officer -- they should be able to point you to the right folks in your company.

  59. well, for starters.. by grey259 · · Score: 0

    Don't tell a community of savvy computer users that you're building it.

  60. Take a computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a computer with no floppy, no usb, or disable usb in the bios, no CDROM, the case locks and is tamper proof. Run a certified version of Windows on it. Use the approaved hardware from the machine they got the certification on.

    Lock the computer into a room with no connections to the outside. Filter the power, cover all the windows, paint the room with antispy paint. Cover everything with copper mesh, eh voila, secret computer.

    Make it take two people to enter or leave the room. Disallow taking any bags or papers or books or writing utensils into the room. It's best if they change into tyvex coveralls after a strip search with full body cavity inspection. Once they enter the room the are locked in until they are allowed to leave 12 hours later, no food water or bathroom priviledges allowed.

    Enjoy your secret computer!

  61. Security Officer by Detritus · · Score: 1

    Your company should have a security officer who knows the current regulations and requirements, and can provide you with reliable information and training in how to handle classified information.

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  62. What are your users requirements. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most current vendors have contracts to meet the standards you are inquiring about.

    I would buy from a vendor for many reasons. The least being the warrenty. A home brew system will not have the same warrenty support and those who write the contracts like that stuff. Also the vendors also probably know the requirements better than you do. Also get with your organizations IASO, ISO, or IMO in order to find out what you will need network wise for your accredidation.

    check what your maximum requirements are and then find a package that meets your needs. It will save you a lot of headaches.

    BTW.. I have done

  63. fwd: Security Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "First of all, if he works for the DoD why would he spill that on a public website? Secondly, why would he tell everyone what it is that he's doing?
    I don't think he needs to worry about computer security. The breach in security here is his need for public adulation."

    ...Ditto what he says.

  64. First you need a secure fondation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of all, if you are to detain classified, secret, top secret or nato secret level data in your facility you need to physically secure it before you even build/buy that computer.

    1) You need a badge system that prevents intruders from getting inside the building without autorisation.
    2) You need security staff that checks employee background information.
    3) You need a security guard on site after business hours.
    4) Follow strict company-wide IT security policies.
    5) You need to apply for a gov security clearance for each of your employees.
    6) You probably need security cameras recording every doors that enter/exit the building.
    7) Keep logs of entry access of the badge system.
    8) Visible employee badge with picture as to be always worn. Challenge anyone who does not have one.
    9) You need a TEMPEST (like a faraday cage) protected enclosure when your staff will work with computers that will have secret data. It is sometimes called a shield. It normally has an automatic door connected to a badge system, plenum floors, sensors, automatic fire exinguisher, etc.
    10) You need to that that shield build right in the middle of the building for many reasons.
    11) You need to have that shield inspected many times a year for EM leaks.
    12) When employees that the data out the shield with a removable hard disk, they must secure the drive inside a heavy metal cabinet that has a front metal bar (prevent opening cabinet) and a big lock.

    Then after you met all these criterias, you can start to think about building that computer. All that stuff is pretty comon sense and these best practices are not secret at all.

    Any off the shelf computer equipment will do. You just need to use the computer inside the shield if you are to view/create/modify the data.

  65. Get someone else to do it by shish · · Score: 1
    If you can't get your / you're right, how do you hope to get top class security right?

    If your computer skills are anywhere near your writing, you're going to cock up something bigtime, and you DON'T want to be working for the DoD when that happens. I might even be so extreme as to suggest a change in career, for the safety of all involved.

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    1. Re:Get someone else to do it by maotx · · Score: 1

      Blah blah blah troll troll troll. My writing was to a nonsense forum in a nonbuisness environment in a situation I did not expect to get posted. I don't care what you think of my writing when I'm writing in a relax, personal environment. Documents I write on buisness time show a much higher level of thought and education. I couldn't care less here on Slashdot.

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    2. Re:Get someone else to do it by shish · · Score: 1
      Grammar nazi, not troll. A troll is someone who writes things with the aim of causing pointless discussion, usually of the flame variety. What I was doing was being annoyed, and hence replying harshly, because of easiliy avoided communication error :P

      Spelling & grammar really ought to come natrually, not be something you have to explicitly turn on for business use...

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  66. I would go with a hardware solution by rhino_badlands · · Score: 1

    Personaly If your job was on the line to protect this computer and hard drives I would go with a hardware solution, in conjunction with desk locks.

    http://www.computersecurity.com/index.html?linkpag e=2&linktitle=computer+security+case

    I just googled and found the above site, it may give you some ideas

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  67. Oh, damn. by Wilson_6500 · · Score: 1

    Well, the headline's an obvious typo, but it still got me thinking. Specifically, it got me thinking about how buildings could be used to secure computers.

    Unfortunately, all I could come up with was old Simpsons gags. Worse, they're all sight gags, so I can't even post "Oblig. Simpsons."

    "The real humans won't... won't burn quite as fast." No, it's just not the same.

  68. Use the specs from Oceans 12 by Rissole · · Score: 1

    Close linked system with 2 redundant servers locked in titanium cases. Throw in some security stickers and you're done.

  69. from an FSO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. You are risking your clearance. This is the last place on the planet that you want to be asking these questions. Also, the answers I've read in this thread so far are mostly dead wrong.
    2. If you, or for that matter your boss, have to be asking these questions, you are not qualified to hold your jobs...I don't mean to say this in a cruel way, but you're not. You fuck this up, and you could be looking at fines, jail time, Cuban vacations, etc. Hire a qualified FSO/OPSEC guy (they aren't cheap) or else you WILL get caught during your first audit and that will be the end of your career. And probably your bosses' career as well.

  70. Not nearly enough info by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1, Redundant
    I've been tasked with something I'm not quite prepared for:

    Quite.

    Security level?
    FOUO, Secret, Top Secret, Other

    Physical security?
    Is the actual room secure, or just the hardware?

    What platform?
    Win/Lin/Mac/Other?

    Fingerprint scanner? SmartCard reader?

    Some sort of secure LAN, or standalone workstations?

    And this is just scratching the surface. You need to find out these answers, and far more. But don't ask in here.

    Call your person who set up the contract, the DoD program manager, and your building security manager
    Then call Dell. Especially if you need a basic plan soon.

    A removeable HD and a sticker does not a secure system make.

  71. Best guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have never been responsible for this but this should be a good start for you.

    Have a vendor do the initial build then you verify it. A little direction for you...

    Read the DOD directives regarding this. They are publicly available. They are somewhere in the 8000 series.

    DISA and the NSA release gold standard guidelines to harden your systems . I would also look into C&A since it will house classified data.

  72. The hardware is not as important as... by BobandMax · · Score: 1

    your security plan that must be submitted and approved prior to machine setup. Your company Security Office should be able to supply it. If you do not have one, the hardware is irrelevant.

    As to hardware:
    You must have a minimum of three removable hard drives per machine. One is the "reference" drive, which will serve as template for all subsequent "user" drives. Secondly, you must have an "admin" drive for performing required maintenance on the PC. Thirdly, at least one "user" drive, although there may be many.

    All of these are kept in a safe by your security officer when not in use. Ours are not connected to the network and the NICs are BIOS disabled with a BIOS password implemented. The OS' (XP) have all relevant security and auditing procedures enabled.

    Above all, the machine must conform to an approved security plan. If not, you're wasting your time.

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    1. Re:The hardware is not as important as... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      ---All of these are kept in a safe by your security officer when not in use. Ours are not connected to the network and the NICs are BIOS disabled with a BIOS password implemented. The OS' (XP) have all relevant security and auditing procedures enabled.

      If you're like me, closed bioses like Phoenix and such scare me. What exactly was THAT password again???

      *hint: phoenix, bios, 1995, setup, admin, superuser, 12345, ....

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  73. The real answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maotx you need to check with your Facility Security Officer and/or ISSM/ISSO if you have one. If you don't have one, then you'll need to contact you DSS representative for guidance. You can't just buy a system that is ready to go. There is a lot of documentation and policies/procedures that you need to prepare AND get approved before you can do any classified work on a system. I would also suggest that you visit the DSS web site at www.dss.mil and try and take the NISPOM Chapter 8 course before anything as it'll give you some background on your task. (I think it's available as an online course now) Consequently, you should NOT be asking these questions in a public forum as you draw attention to yourself and your line of work... which is not a good thing.

  74. National Ind. Security Program Operating Manual by Detritus · · Score: 1

    See the National Industrial Security Program Operating Manual for basic information, and then talk to your company's security officer.

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  75. Look Online by MontyP · · Score: 1

    A lot of the guidelines are already published. You can find recommendations to software that can be installed to government encryption algorithms. Try this: http://iase.disa.mil/policy.html and http://www.nist.gov/

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    1. Re:Look Online by SGGent · · Score: 1
      Ditto to the parent poster. Here are some guidelines I browse occasionally. I'd have to say that if you rely on a vendor then you have compromised some security. If you don't do more research you will never be secure. Security is a process not a state.

      http://csrc.nist.gov/checklists/repository/

  76. Dell, HP, etc by william_w_bush · · Score: 1

    First, I'm not sure you understand all that's entailed in building a terminal for handling secure information. There are basic docs you can pick up at the .mil sites that should give you and idea where to start, and after that I'd go with a Dell/HP because they have experience doing these builds and can give you a box to start with, but there are mandated OS configurations, permissions, auditing that fill filling cabinets. Also there are restrictions on access and other things that will have to be managed (lockable keyboards/shelves, power control, network access control), so the box itself is just the beginning. Have you considered bringing in a computer security officer to tell you how to set up your environment? You'll need one before you can have it designated anyway, and your sales guy who set up the deal should know who to talk to to get one to come over.

    This is a complicated thing, and your exact security levels and the number of people involved make it worse. If you are in a secured building already then I'd say do what they do in the rest of the building, then talk to your Sec Officer to make sure a dell is fine. But otherwise there should be people around who know how to get you started, and it's a big enough deal that if your building is designated insecure you have a long ass road ahead of you.

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  77. Re:Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail by choppahead · · Score: 1

    This really needs to be modded to the top. This is the ONLY good advice this poor SOB has gotten in his comments.

  78. Get the book by sam+the+lurker · · Score: 2, Informative

    The general specifications for DoD computer systems are freely available to all. NATIONAL INDUSTRIAL SECURITY PROGRAM OPERATING MANUAL OPERATING MANUAL. Specifically, see chapter CHAPTER 8. AUTOMATED INFORMATION SYSTEM SECURITY.

    The actual computer system is pretty trivial, the only difference may be, just as you identified, the removable hard drive. Just get any of the IDE or even SATA removable hard drive kits and you are set. This is definitely something you can do yourself.

    You see the security is in the whole system DoD will be looking for security in layers, many layers. How is the building secured, who has access to the building, the same floor, the floor above & below, the room, etc. What kind of security patrol, alarms, alarms response? What kind of physical security? What kind of walls, ceiling, floor, doors? What kind of electrical service, telecommunication service? The last layer will be the actual computer. What will be attached to the computer, a small LAN, a printer? Don't even think about wireless!

    Now, I've said that setting up the computer is trivial, but the administration is NOT. The NISPOM specifies a lot of documentation. Something like writing down the serial number of every component, maybe keeping logs of certain types of activities (loging in, loging out, installing software, updating software, etc.). Checking the logs weekly for suspicious acitivity, etc. If you've heard the old adage that good system administrators write everything down, double it ... twice ... then you are on the right track.

  79. Security: TCSEC, ITSEC, Common Criteria, FIPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to know about Government information security requirements, there are plenty and more of standards available. Search for TCSEC/Orange Book, ITSEC, Common Critiria. Know the classifications from the orange book D, c1, c2, c3, b1, b2, b3. Finally, search for FIPS compliance. All this stuff is standard for the CISSP speciality of ISSEP, which would be a good body of knowledge for you to have.

    The government/DOD, etc. has a good record of keeping classified information secret, just not unclassified information, like personal information.

    1. Re:Security: TCSEC, ITSEC, Common Criteria, FIPS by utopia27 · · Score: 1

      Um. Orange book is OBE.

  80. Best advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy uses weird job titles with even weirder acronyms, and says "heck" in his documentation. He must be in the US military and therefore knows what he's talking about. Follow his advice.

  81. Use Super Glue by mrm677 · · Score: 1

    I was once trying to setup a Windows workstation that was reasonably secure. One of the requirements was to prevent removeable media, such as USB Thumb drives, from being used to covertly steal proprietary data. Its been awhile, but disabling this functionality in Windows 2000 was not trivial. After messing with drivers for awhile, a co-worker showed up with super glue! We simply glued the USB ports!

    Low-tech solution to a high-tech problem :-)

    1. Re:Use Super Glue by bigsteve@dstc · · Score: 1

      Why stop there? You could make it EVEN MORE secure by super-gluing the keys and the mouse buttons. :-)

  82. I would read NIST's docs, SANS' ones, then others by papaia · · Score: 1

    Without full access to what DoD, itself, would require, I would start from here and then fill in the gaps from SANS' reading room, and move on to studying security mailing list archives, and/or by asking specific questions in those public forums.

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  83. Because... by everphilski · · Score: 1

    Because there are very specific and well-documented protocols for procuring and securing a computer to deal with "secret" level material. Consulting with Slashdot is not one of those methods.

    If you have a job in a secure environment and your job is to procure computers, you SHOULD know these... if you don't you need to talk to your security officers... he is violating protocol, and when you are dealing with secret information this is a Very Bad Thing.

    -everphilski-

    1. Re:Because... by maotx · · Score: 1

      Because there are very specific and well-documented protocols for procuring and securing a computer to deal with "secret" level material. Consulting with Slashdot is not one of those methods.

      And that I have and can do with ease. What I want to know is what unexpected should I expect? Pros and cons with vendors as opposed to building it yourself. Nothing that would comprimise OPSEC.

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    2. Re:Because... by everphilski · · Score: 1

      Talk to your security officers. Not slashdot. I hope for your sake your employers dont read /.

      -everphilski-

    3. Re:Because... by Decker-Mage · · Score: 1
      The problem here is that aside from vague generalities, any discussion of specifics, especially concerning vendor equipment would violate OPSEC. A computer that handles SECRET material, or higher, is similarly classified as that as well, including all the specific details about software and hardware implementation. Consult with a security officer, read your contract, and read those regulations. Beyond that, at best you can only deal in generalities about publically known information. Period.

      Sorry, but that's life in the black world.

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  84. Re:It's all about configuration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I ran # chmod 666 /dev/hda
    I say that is secure.

  85. Secures computers...yessss Precious, we likes them by RiffRafff · · Score: 1

    Yesss....the more secures they are, the betters...

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  86. Build it Yourself by techsoldaten · · Score: 1

    Build it yourself.

    If this is for a DOD contractor, you have a security liason somewhere within your company who can requistion the requirements if he or she does not already have them.

    If this is for a government agency, there is an Office of the Inspector General's office connected with that service / agency which can supply the requirements to you.

    I have seen $500,000 non-returnable mistakes made relying on federal suppliers to ensure systems are secure.

    M

  87. Secures Computers Precious by caffiend666 · · Score: 1

    Secures Computers Precious. The nasty hobitses needs secures computers precious. What has the nasty hobitses got in it's pockets precious?

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  88. Sir please step away from that computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    This has got the be the worst case of RTFM ever -- here's the manual:

    Read chapter 8. It sounds to me like you haven't ever handled classified information before. Karl Rove, is that you?

    I don't know of any manufacturer who will mark a computer with classified stickers. Do the computers come from Dell with classified information on the hard drives? HELL NO! Three quarters of the NISPOM requirements are designed to make sure idiots like you don't accidentally plug these machines into the internet. The stickers and banners make it clear anyone that this isn't a machine that is to be taken lightly.

    Ohh and another thing, would you trust a "secure" machine that showed up in the mail promised by dell, microsoft and china to be secure???? What about after it made it's way through half a dozen loading docks?

    It is your job to make sure the computer meets the NISPOM requirments and that it is tamper resistant and set up with the proper restrictions. Please, please, please ask someone where you work.

    1. Re:Sir please step away from that computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Karl Rove did not reveal classified information. The evidence indicates that he revealed information about Valarie Plame, who was not under secret ops, that was already revealed some time before by the Plames' lack of foresight.

      Anyway, I find it funny when people stick their politics (and inaccurately so) into a totally non-corresponding story and make such asses of themselves.

  89. Years Ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Years ago, my experience was all the computers were used in a vault that eliminated RF leakage. The computers had removeable hard drives that were removed and placed in a safe in the vault each night. I don't recall if there was other removeable storage. I think not though a CD readable was in each. The computers were networked only to each other, no outside connection. I would assume there should be no USB. I think backups were made to a second or centralized removeable drive which was also locked up of course. Presumably there was some sort of rotation of backup drives. There was nothing special about the computers themselves other than the removeable HD and elimination of anything that could be used to walk out with. There might have been a metal detector (hidden) at the door to alert to the removal of a drive.

  90. Re:Get a Mac by Nermal6693 · · Score: 1

    Make sure you turn off auto-login, and remember to disable CD booting. A strong password is no good if you can boot from the rescue CD :)

  91. Removable disk secure ? by nzkbuk · · Score: 1

    I can tell, a removable hard drive and security stickers to prevent tampering.

    You are joking right ?
    You're asking for a secure computer, but also describing that computer to have removable media ? And not just any media, but a removable HDD.
    Go take a look. having removable media, esp. if the OS is on the removable media is one sure way of throwing your security out the window. The stickers will only show it's been tampered with.
    Yes you can encrypt the data, but if someone has access to the keys then what is the point. If they don't have access to the keys what's the removable HDD for ?

    This sounds like a bit of an oxymoron if you ask me.
    First step, look at a secure case for the pc. One that only has holes for network cable (if you allow network access from it (yes I know another potential attack vector)), screen cable, mouse & keyboard. There should be a power plug, reset switch and that's it. no usb, no parallel ports, no serial ports. atleast none physically accessable.
    You've got to think about a netwok attack (secure os) and a physical attack (physically secure the box). The physically securing the box is the easyiest part. Concrete floor with a few bolts sticking out. put a steel box ontop using padlocking the box to it. only have holes through the box for the cables I've mentioned above. If you lower the security slightly you can put connectors on the steel box. Then put a regular pc inside with a secure OS.

    The thing above all you've got to remember is there is no 100% security. The best you can do is discourage and slow people. make it so hard that 99% won't bother and the remaining 1% will take a long time.

    1. Re:Removable disk secure ? by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

      See my post below. Basically, the area that contains the computer might not be approved to allow it to keep the disk in it while there is not an active, authorized user physically on the machine. The disk would need to be removed and placed in a safe whenever the system is not in use. When an authorized user needs to use the computer again, he/she needs to have the safe opened and then have the disk moved back in to the computer. Possibly even require the disk to be checked-out of a data control entity who verifies the user and keeps track of the disk itself.

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    2. Re:Removable disk secure ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yes...Removable hdd's. this is so that when the operator leaves the room to go take a leak or whatever, he/she can take the sensitive data with them. And at the end of the day the data can be placed in a secure safe. This is a requirement of all DoD computers that contain sensitive materials. It was very entertaining watching the Munitions guy walk around with a hdd at night when he needed to go take a leak. Very amusing.

  92. You need to ask your DoD reps... some basics below by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1
    There are several different levels of DoD classifications, even for systems that meet requirements for "secret" level data. And it all depends on exactly who your local DoD rep is and what they interpret the guidlines to mean. The Department of Defence was very inteligent in crafting the guidlines. They left a lot of it in the hands of the local representitives to interpret the regulations and to the system administrators themselves to say what is and what is not security releavent (basically they knew that they did not have the best experts to craft and design a complete comprehensive security regulation and left a lot of it open for interpretation by actual security personnel at both the sites that maintain the equipment and the people who oversee them).

    It also depends on who is your regulator. Do you need to meet NISPOM standards? Or some other standard? If NISPOM, what level (PL-1, PL-2, PL-3, etc.)? Again this all depends on who your overseeing entity is. Yes, ultimatly it is the DoD, but is it the Air Force, Navy, Army, etc., as this all makes a difference.

    I am surprised that the hard drives themselves need to be in removable sleds. In my experience, the only reason to do this is to more easily de-classify the system, but it creates an increased headache as it is a little easier to physically remove the drive (yes, even those locking sleds are easily bypassed).

    Some basic things that are required:
    BIOS Level password is required.
    Lockout all bootable mediums to only disk.
    Disks themselves need to be tracked and marked.
    All administrative access needs to be loged with each individual person who has administrative access having a seperate account (no generic accounts allowed)
    System critical files need to be monitored for both failed attempts to alter/access and successful attempts (depends on OS and your rep as to what the "system critical files" entail, I deal mostly on UNIX and LINUX OS's and these include everything under "/etc" and "/var/", as well as some other areas)
    Login Banners are required. There are specific texts that need to be displayed at/before login to people who are going to log in
    Specific rules are in place for "screen lock" occuring after a set amount of time
    Stickers/signs are required for designating the system as a classified system

    These are just some of the measures that are normally required. Other things such as system location, monitor placement (i.e. does it face out into an isle where others migh be able to see it, can it be seen from a window, etc.), physical locks on the system, security tamper tape over the possible entry points into the system, removable media, such as floppy disks, CD-RW's, DVD+/-RW's, tape drives, etc., are also part of the specific rules of your area and how to deal with those media.

    Open storage of "secret" data is also something that might be needed for the area that the systems are located in. This "could" be the reason for the removable drives, as your local policy might not allow the drive to be kept in the system while an authorized user is not actively using the system (hence the drive must be pulled out of the computer and locked in an approved safe).

    Again, it all depends on who is your oversight group, and what their standards are and who interprets the standards for your site. Any and all of those factors will contribute to a specific set of security requirements.

    They will have you run a demo of their requirements to meet their satisfaction. One thing that I suggest not showing them is how easy it is to gain complete control of any computer that you have physical access to (even with BIOS passwords, and such, it only takes 2 minutes to break open just about any case, pull the BIOS battery, switch the CMOS jumper and boot up without any BIOS password, change the boot medium to a USB thumbdrive/CDROM/floppy/seperate hard drive and crack the root/administrator password). Let alone simply connecting up a laptop/palmtop computer to the classified network port (if there is a classified network) and start hacking away....

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  93. In Soviet Russia.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computer buildings secure you!

  94. vendor by Dogun · · Score: 0

    liability, foo

  95. Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, computer secures buildings.

  96. remove floppy by hobrah · · Score: 1

    Remove the floppy drive and do NOT install a burner. And pay your bills on time.

  97. Ur Grammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ur gram3r iz fux0r3d

  98. Well.. from my exp... by Quixxilver · · Score: 1
    "It's good enough for govt. work!" is said as a joke for a reason.

    Not a good point of refrence when trying to secure a computer/network imho. /shrug

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  99. Here's some advice... by davidarcher2000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    First of all, this may not be the best forum in the world to ask such a question (just read some of the other lame "funny" replies) but since you asked, I'm assuming you're looking for an answer from someone who actually works with this things on a daily basis and will be able to provide some insight.

    The hardware on the computer does have to meet certain requirements but they're not really "set in stone". At my work, we typically use off-the-shelf Dell computers and then do some modifications to support removable hard drives on the systems. Additionally, you'll probably need to lock down all writeable removable media drives (think floppy and zip drive locks) as well as disabling USB and any built-in network interfaces, at least in the BIOS but possibly also with some stickers or physical locking devices. You'll have to work with your DIS person who approves the final system configuration to really hammer out the details and get it set the way he/she wants it to be set.

    That being said, the only service I've seen Dell offer is their "Custom Factory Integration" program where they will install the removable hard drive chassis for you. Depending on the number of systems you need to support, it may be cheaper to have them do it at the factory than to do it yourself. One issue I had which caused us to do the removable drive install ourselves was the fact that we have multiple drives per system and needed extra drive trays but couldn't get information from Dell regarding the actual manufacturer of the trays nor pricing on additional units. It was just less hassle for us to purchase the removable kits ourselves.

    As far as software, I believe another poster already mentioned some of the basic configuration requirements. Yes, you'll need to make sure you're pretty good on locking down Windows (I'm assuming your running Windows since you mentioned SolidWorks - BTW, SW2006 sucks configuring it to run with a non-admin user account). Auditing on certain directories is most likely going to be a requirement as well as a documented review and archive process for the system event logs. Backups are another process that will need to be done on a regular basis. Be prepared for this to eat into alot of your time since all these tasks pretty much have to be done manually since you can't have network connectivity.

    If you've got any more questions, feel free to drop me an e-mail and I'll try to help you work through any issues. And don't mind any of the other sarcastic bastards posting here... I've seen the level of documentation the government gives for setting up secure systems and most of it is pretty f'ing obtuse. Best to get advice from someone who's done it before (and obviously double-check with your FSO and DIS officer).

    Best of luck...

  100. And because they let people like you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...build and administrate the systems of the DoD, and military services, it is absolutely no wonder that they were over run by something as simple and preventable as the Zotob virus. We were down and out on Okinawa for 2 full days and then some because of it.

    I was a network/security admin previous to my career as one of The Few, The Proud, and it sickened me to see this happen. I know that had I been in my old office job, I would have been applying patches day 1, even if that required staying late and doing all the appropriate testing beforehand. Of course, knowing full well what happens when you do things your not supposed to on gov't computers based on two up close cases, I just sat back and watched it unfold, rather than chance a trip to the brig.

    It's not a slam against you, as you openly admitted you are growing into the position. You may very well be a bright, and intelligent person, but I doubt that you will consider everything on the first run. And therefore, because you are without the appropriate guidance and leadership you will probably fail. It's more of a slam your bosses and the system, for not giving you what you need up front, and for giving you more to bite off than you can chew.

    1. Re:And because they let people like you... by utopia27 · · Score: 1

      Just a thought - E3 admins...

      I'm concerned about the volume of CPUs in deployed units. The days of the dedicated (HARDWARE dedicated) radio run by one operator are dead. RSN everyone's going to have a headset attached to a transciever with a COTS OS, every humvee's going to have a half dozen OSes networked together - and everything's going to be talking to each other. And who's going to run this high tech mobile, wireless LAN with mixed OSes and highly customized apps? the same E3 that was marginally capable of replacing a fuse on the radio...

  101. One word by niteice · · Score: 1

    OpenBSD.

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  102. Drop the Bomb by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, get your boss to sign a memo acknowledging that you're not qualified to certify computer systems as "DoD secure". Then, hire a security consultant from an insured firm which does sign a contract saying they are so qualified. Then do your best. Also, don't rely on Slashdotters' advice on how to tell if a system is "DoD secure". We're a bunch of kibbitzers on a huge website full of jokers, posers and saboteurs - indistinguishable from those with a clue.

    If you think that advice means you'll get fired, resign. Better now, than after they blame you for the inevitable security breaches. That's probably their plan anyway, in whichever management layer thought that military security is just a buzzword to get an underqualified admin to comply with.

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    1. Re:Drop the Bomb by porkThreeWays · · Score: 1

      How advice like this is seen as insightful is beyond me.

      If I quit my job every time I was asked to do something I was unable to do and my employers wouldn't accept "no" as an answer, I would have cycled through many-a-job.

      What they are asking of him isn't a terribly difficult or huge thing to do. They are asking him to secure _one_ computer. From reading his posts he already has a pretty good idea of what needs to be done. He also has about a week to come up with at least a gameplan. It really sounds like he's 90% of the way there and was just asking for some tips on others' experiences.

      Quitting your job on a whim everytime your told to do something unreasonable is, well... unreasonable.

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    2. Re:Drop the Bomb by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I didn't tell them to just quit their job. I told them to get their obviously bloviating boss, who had just charged them with a responsibility beyond their capacity, to take the responsibility instead. Then to do their best, primarily by hiring someone with the skills to do it.

      I then predicted that their boss would fire them, and recommended they quit first. Because I can recognize a trap when I see one, especially an IT management trap, designed by a foolhardy boss that will blow up in someone's face. Better the PHB than the earnest young admin. That's not a "whim". That's management science information.

      If you think he's 90% of the way there, when he doesn't even know what "DoD secure" means, exactly, you probably need to think carefully about this kind of advice, too. Security isn't for diletantes. Taking these kinds of orders, without considering the management machinations (planned or unintentional) behind them, is operating on a whim. And a grave threat to job security, to say nothing of the machine being secured by and for incompetents.

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    3. Re:Drop the Bomb by porkThreeWays · · Score: 1

      >> I then predicted that their boss would fire them, and recommended they quit first. Because I can recognize a trap when I see one, especially an IT management trap, designed by a foolhardy boss that will blow up in someone's face. Better the PHB than the earnest young admin. That's not a "whim". That's management science information.

      Wow, you can tell all that knowing almost nothing about where he works, his boss, his security officer, or the poster himself. Man, you should start some sort of... future telling business.
      First of all, if you read his posts, he is given a reasonable time table. All his boss wants is a rough idea of what needs to be done in the next week. His office's security manager has provided him with ample documentation regarding what needs to be done. He will have help from his security officer. The machine will be network unattached. The only two media available will be CDR's and the hard drive.

      The organization providing him with the CAD data is already DoD secure.

      For the most part, he's got the computer security issues down. He just needs physical security. Which, since they've got a security manager isn't as big as an issue, because he's an on-staff professional.

      omg k thx he's being set up the bomb better quit now before you are fired OMgee the sky is falling tilde~~~~~~~~

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    4. Re:Drop the Bomb by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I do have a "future prediction business": my extremely successful career as an IT exec, started as a programmer then architect (all of which I still do). I can tell when someone's in over their head. Just because they can't, you can't, doesn't mean they shouldn't document their actual level of responsibility. Which doesn't mean they should just quit - which I did not advise them to do.

      If you can't make sense of my advice, that's your problem. Don't go chopping it up to merely resemble your own worst fears and inadequacies. Preparing for the likely failure of a system is essential to preparing for its success. Too bad you're not competent to do anything but take on more than you can pull off.

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  103. Accenture? by slashflood · · Score: 1

    Hi!

    I guess, you're working for a major consulting company. Maybe Accenture, or something. It's always the same: you've been dropped to a project, which involves "IT-Security" and you don't understand anything about that.

    Am I right? I think so, because all your replies are indicating that.

    You can't learn it in your hotel room. You can't learn how to implement the requirements in a week.

    That's one of your replies:

    Our facility security officer has a stack of papers that I have been reading over but it is pretty slim in details when it comes to the specifics. Network is a definate no, floppies and CDs are ok, but what about USB harddrives? Etc.

    The only reason I asked Slashdot was for a jump start. My manager says we need to have something, at least a plan, by next week.


    It must by a joke, isn't it? The "Department of Defense" is asking you (contractor) to build a "secure computer" and you are talking about floppies and CDs? Look at this first.

    Ask guys like Secunet or Code Blau. Small companies, but they know how to set up a secure "computer" - computer in quotation marks, because that's just the computer and not the network, it is connected to. It's all about experience, when it comes to IT security.

    For me, it is just a troll article. Sorry. It's a joke.

    1. Re:Accenture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second your Accenture guess. I had the pleasure to work with Avanade, an Accenture joint-venture for a large project with significant sensitive information; and their entire pitch on security was saying that their proposal is secure because it uses active directory.

  104. Nonclassified? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Bad idea. Transferring tools between secure and insecure environments draws the curious in the nonsecure environment, and opens the door to someone clueless saying, "Well that thing moves between secure and insecure, so it should be okay to move something else superficially similar between secure and insecure."

    1. Re:Nonclassified? by maotx · · Score: 1

      Well, we would have it setup so all classified information would be on a hard drive locked away. Any unclassified information would be on its own hard drive with its own operating system. The only thing the two would have in common would be RAM, CPU, etc. But I do agree with you. While it could be feasible with it behind locked doors while classified and in a public place while unclassified, it leaves to much room for error. That and it wouldn't look good.

      Thanks

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    2. Re:Nonclassified? by Jamesday · · Score: 3, Informative

      You'd need to be prepared to deal with people hardwiring USB keyloggers to the motherboard or inserting into keyboard itself. Or inserting whatever into any other bits of the computer which are available. Add more when you might have to deal with actual professionals in the business of compromising such systems to get at their contents or install bugs for audio. Sounds like a really poor concept to try mixing use. But do ask the real experts, who I assume are your customers.

    3. Re:Nonclassified? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Or imagine the unclassified user managing to reflash the BIOS. Since the BIOS is the very first code to get control, this would give him a very high level of control. Especially since the BIOS also controls things like unlocking password-protected HDs (i.e. those which come with password protection built-in, which today is all laptop and most desktop HDs). And to get data out, he could use the CMOS RAM for small amounts of data (e.g. the HD password), or reflash the BIOS again during classified use for larger amounts of data (e.g. if the system runs exclusively on SCSI, probably nobody would notice if he removes the BIOS IDE routines and uses the saved space for data. The same is true for floppy disk routines on a floppy-less computer).

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    4. Re:Nonclassified? by JourneymanMereel · · Score: 1

      Let me just throw in my own "me too" that this is a bad idea. A classified machine is a classified machine. It's not just the data. Heck, the way I understand it, by the strictest interpitation, even the room has to be classified if you will be discussing classified information. I could be wrong about that one, but it's what I've heard in dicussions with other clearance holders (we were at a secure facility :).

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    5. Re:Nonclassified? by Badfysh · · Score: 1

      I don't think you should even be telling people there is a classified computer, never mind sharing it. I don't understand why you need to share the same machine, why can't you just get two? Let the ordinary bods think the second one is the classified one and keep the first one 'need to know' only.

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    6. Re:Nonclassified? by Vombatus · · Score: 1
      even the room has to be classified if you will be discussing classified information

      Or, you could get a "Cone of Silence" from "Get Smart"

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  105. Get someone else to do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you do it, and there is a problem, guess who is on the hook?

    Also, please do get Windows installed.
    Then there will be no problems, unless, of course , you do not install all of Microsoft's patches quickly and religiously.
    You have probably noticed by now that computers with problems are always ones that the patches for Windows were not up-to-date, right?
    Also, put all of the computers in a very secure room, and allow nobody acess to the room.
    Then give them xterms to log in with, over encrypted networks, and control all of the passphrases.

  106. Umm... by deep44 · · Score: 1

    Money won't buy you security. Keep in mind that somebody still has to *use* this computer. If they're dishonest (or just plain curious), you've basically just wasted a lot of cash.

    I would invest in "top-shelf" knowledgable & trustworthy personnel before I would purchase a military-grade secure computing environment.

  107. Which Government? by Stonefish · · Score: 1

    First state which goverment. Lets assume that because you think that you're at the centre of the world that you're from USA.

    Then request standards. What does "secret" mean. Security Standard are not classified to a high level so you can easily justify access.

    It is ok to have win95 on a PC as long as the surrounding system meets the security requirements. These items may include evaluated locks, alarms amd access controls. What you demonstate is that the system is secure. How you do this is by using products evaluated to provide this degree of seperation or getting your own product evaluated to be able to fulfill this role.

    Is the system expected to maintain seperation between an user with no clearance working on a doorbell and a user designing a new ignition system for fusion weapons?

  108. Read the regulations by Fallon · · Score: 1

    I'm an army contractor in charge of securing non-secret systems.

    You need to find the regulations for your orginization (Army Regulation 25-2 for us), and read it. If you don't know that regulation well, and improperly impliment things according to that regulation (which may or may not follow normal security protocols) you can be held crimialy and legally liable.

    All that being said, most of that security is all software configuration & auditing, not hardware. Lots of Classified/secret stickers and sometimes removable disks is the only hardware differences.

    Slashdot is not the right place to be asking about DoD specific policies. It may be the right forum to ask about generic IT policies, but not the arcane policies of a specific buracuracy.

    Army Regulation 25-2, the Army regulation for Information Processing is located at http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/r25_2.pdf (may only be accessable if your on a .mil address). That may or may not even be the appropiate document, depending on your orginazation.

    1. Re:Read the regulations by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      As a note, I'm on SBC DSL and can access the PDF regulation 25-2.

      It seems to be public access. Should it be?

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  109. DoD Security Requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, contrary to what a lot of the posters here claim (based on the fact that they speak out of ignorance) DoD computer requirements aren't classified, and he is not "risking his job" by asking about them. And in the case of DoD secret, stickers that provide evidence of tampering are sufficient, and usually the norm.

    Do a web search, the DoD requirements are found on places such as fas.org.

  110. Hire a Contractor. by nettdata · · Score: 1

    Hire a contractor. Someone who's done this before. Better yet, someone the DOD recommends.

    This is NOT the time to try and figure it out yourself... there is SOOO much stuff that you have no idea that you don't know, it's not funny.

    Hardware is part of the equation, but the biggest issue will be implementation.

    (Nothing personal here... it just looks like you're WAY over your head in this one).

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  111. Try out the DISA IASE site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's lots of stuff about certification and acreditation, etc., at the defense information systems agency's information assurance support environment web site.

    http://iase.disa.mil/

  112. Two methods of doing this: by toadlife · · Score: 5, Funny

    First of all you'll need a server equipped with tiny C4 charges embedded in each of the hard drives. This is a handy way of deleting data on your hard drives very quickly. I hear HP can furnish these.

    Second, you will need to hire a troupe of security guards to watch over the computer. Equip them with an M16's, and have them work in shifts, escorting users to and from the computers. If you can't afford a humans, several dozen trained monkeys will do the job. Just make sure and keep at least three extra monkeys on hand so you can replace the dead ones. You'll need at least two monkey handlers if you go the monkey route - one to watch over the monkeys and one to fill in when the first one gets shot.

    For a bit of extra security, you can purchase an used electric chair from one of the states that have switched to lethal injection and use it as the chair for the workstation. One armed guard can stand holding the red button, ready to fry to operator in case (s)he mishandles any data, or looks at the guards funny, while another guard stands ready to kill the other in case they refuse to press the red button.

    If you can't afford or find an electric chair on the retail market, submit an "ask slashdot" article and I'm sure you'll get plenty of tips on how to build one yourself.

    Or if you want to save money you could just install the super secure Gentoo Linux operating system and set it to update itself via emerge automatically every hour.

    It's your choice.

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    1. Re:Two methods of doing this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usually this is done by having /dev/thermite (or somesuchalike), which, when written anything will ignite the Thermite (see Wikipedia) attached to sensitive parts.

      The damage done is pretty much irreversible, rendering all sensitive data harmless.

    2. Re:Two methods of doing this: by protoshoggoth · · Score: 1

      Funniest damn thing I've ever seen...

    3. Re:Two methods of doing this: by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      First of all you'll need a server equipped with tiny C4 charges embedded in each of the hard drives. This is a handy way of deleting data on your hard drives very quickly. I hear HP can furnish these.
      We already have this at my work. We're working on getting louder explosives, though.

      Second, you will need to hire a troupe of security guards to watch over the computer. Equip them with an M16's, and have them work in shifts, escorting users to and from the computers. If you can't afford a humans, several dozen trained monkeys will do the job. Just make sure and keep at least three extra monkeys on hand so you can replace the dead ones. You'll need at least two monkey handlers if you go the monkey route - one to watch over the monkeys and one to fill in when the first one gets shot.
      We already have this at my work, too! The only difference is we call our troupe the Army, and they're Privates, not monkies. We thought that we could get a monkey to work as a monkey handler, and we called it a Lieutenant, but that didn't work as well as we thought. Within a day of them taking over, the privates were no longer allowed to work security. They were too busy taking care of the lieutenants, running, jumping, swimming, working out, and grunting at eachother. Damned monkies!

      For a bit of extra security, you can purchase an used electric chair from one of the states that have switched to lethal injection and use it as the chair for the workstation. One armed guard can stand holding the red button, ready to fry to operator in case (s)he mishandles any data, or looks at the guards funny, while another guard stands ready to kill the other in case they refuse to press the red button.
      We tried that, but it doesn't work well. What you do instead is LET someone make a small security "mistake". Then, you take away the coffee. Not just from them, but from the entire office! This is where the genius comes in. It will be ugly for a while, but everyone will learn quite a lesson.

      Or if you want to save money you could just install the super secure Gentoo Linux operating system and set it to update itself via emerge automatically every hour.
      I'm not confident that having a classified system connected to the internet is the brightest thing, even if you think Gentoo is secure enough to handle it. Now, if you want to put your entire life's savings into a bank account for me, then provide me with the account number, pins, etc. on a text file on your machine... Well, I'm sure somebody would find a hole :). And I don't think we need any classified getting leaked these days.

      All that being said, I'm serious about the coffee thing.

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    4. Re:Two methods of doing this: by OfNoAccount · · Score: 1

      If you need self-destructing HDs why bother with the C4? Just specify an IBM/HGST Deathstar, I've found data just slides off those...

      They're the ultimate in secure data erasers, you don't even have to do anything - one minute 100Gb of data, the next absolutely nothing!

      Of course keeping an audit trail on one might be tricky ;)

  113. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by timmyckcpt · · Score: 1

    YAY another SSO/S-2

  114. dod sec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I have done that before and I suggest getting the pc from dell becuase of the warranty.

  115. Re:Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail by pyite · · Score: 1

    Haha, my thoughts exactly. My mod points just expired. Truly, this was the only useful comment in the whole thread.

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  116. Tempest by Tacky+the+Penguin · · Score: 1

    An acronym for Transient Electromagnetic Pulse Emanation Surveillance Technology. A system developed by the US Government which allows at attacker to analyze the electromagnetic radiation emitted from the hardware used in a cryptosystem in order to determine secret information including cryptographic keys. (from google)

    Essentially, any piece of secure equipment must be very well shielded to prevent third parties from reading electromagnetic radiation eminating from the equipment.

    Creating a tempest-safe computer case, cables, monitor, keyboard, mouse, power supply connection, and a lot of things that you probably would never think of is a serious engineering task, not something that's going to be thrown together by a computer technician.

    If they need secure computers, they need to buy computers that are certified by NSA (or someone like that) as secure. If you try to build your own, someone is going to have to spend a lot of money testing them.

    Your best bet is to buy computers that DOD trusts to be secure.

    I used to work on secure equipment. You would not believe some of the steps they take to make them secure. I could give you details, but [insert old stale joke here.]

  117. Dells by G1369311007 · · Score: 1

    Dude, you're getting a Dell. I think Dell is the way to go becuase I've had to setup a few. It's the way to go.

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  118. Re:I just pooped in my diapers! by meditation_dude · · Score: 0, Redundant

    El oh el!

  119. more of the "editor" job description by MondoMor · · Score: 0

    o Use unlimited mod points to moderate things using "OVERRATED" to suppress opinions you don't like.
    o Pretend you're a legitimate news site when it serves you. Pretend it's a "geek site" when it doesn't. That way you get all the benefits that come under the pretense of "journalism", without any of that troublesome "integrity".

  120. Former Jar head with Secret Clerance by RingDev · · Score: 2, Interesting
    First off, sercret clerance... isn't.

    There are 3 basic levels of security in the DOD:
    • Sensetive: lists of SSNs, peoples phone numbers, etc. shred the paper, password protection, light building security
    • Secret: Reporting information, non-combat comunication centers, etc. shred paper, lock down computers and network but have external connection, no unauthorized location access.
    • Top-Secret: Detailed reporting, strategic info, etc. Don't print if you don't need to, locked down PCs, locked down network, likely no external access/email/etc.
    For secret info, I never saw anything to hard core. We had some great network techs in Quantico (just prior to the NMCI 4066/4067 consultant replacment), they had a well locked down network, but still allowed internet access and email. But they could, and did, track all of your online activities, read your emails, mirror your hard drive, and shut you down from across the globe. Any specific secret locations like com-vaults had key code or rfid doors.

    (Anecdotal network security story from the military, optional reading:)
    I had a network support budy in Okinowa who used an external (geocities) site to hold links to internal files for updates and software. Worked good for his updating work at off site locations. One day his user account was locked, 3 gents from the MITNOC showed up with a copy of his hard drive and a log of his internet/email activity over the last 3 months. Turned out some script kiddies found his site and started hammering the firewalls trying to get the software. -Rick
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  121. dead network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    simple scrap all the drives, make it a network boot system that pulls all its programs from the same server which is locked away in a sacred tomb of the Pyramids. Then simply unplug that server from the world. Therefore you have no incoming traffic and no outgoing traffic outside of the holy DVD format, but the only way to burn to that media is from whichin the locked tomb that reqquires committee approval to release the coordinates and locking sequenses.

    Think simple, if you unplugged you home PC from everything but the electricity and set it up in a vault connected to hair trigger global nuclear warheads it would be the most secure workstation you could design. Its locked in your vault with zero outside vulnerability. Anybody breaths around it and they get vaporized. Unless you start passing out your vault code or plug in a network card nothing on that machine can ever be stolen. Oh and be sure to enclose what ever storage device you choose with a minimum of 47 inches of pure Lead sealed inside a 6 inch thick case of titanium. This way if anyone tries to jack you, the nuks go off and obliterate everything living thing on the planet so even though your data survived, there isn't a single person left to do anything with it. Nevermind the EMP given off by the nuks that disabled every electronic device within the blast radius.

    Long story short make sure that no desk system can duplicate any data and that the central system is locked up tighter than 7th grade prom date.

    Someone please tell me just how this system could ever be compromised.
    I'm waiting...........

    1. Re:dead network by Pulse_Instance · · Score: 1

      Torture the owner of the data until the give you access. You forgot about the easiest security flaw in every system the humans who access the data.

  122. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by william_w_bush · · Score: 1

    I just love the irony of mentally masturbating to ourselves on slashdot, keyboards humming away to each other, on the edge of our tin-foil conspiracy kicks, when suddenly out of nowhere big-brother clears his throat and says "uhh actually no, and we should not be talking about this".

    Not a tin-foil nut myself, but the irony is inescapable.

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  123. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You fucking liberal pussy.

  124. I could tell you... by boatboy · · Score: 1

    ...but then I'd have to kill you.

  125. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you want some actual military assistance, respond to my email.

    Does this offer only apply to the original poster? Because I require some military assistance as well. I have two areas of concern:

    1. My neighbor keeps walking his dog in front of my house and it shits next to the sidewalk. He's supposed to clean it up, but he never does. I was hoping you could take the dog out for me.

    2. Gas will probably reach $3/gallon before too long. I know you military types are experts at liberating people, and sometimes there's petroleum, you know, sort of left over. I was wondering if you could liberate the local Sunoco for me so I can get some gas for my car for free.

    Thank you, and I eagerly await your email.





    ps remember don't ask don't tell!

  126. Don't even talk to this guy! by rufusdufus · · Score: 1, Informative

    You have NO IDEA who this person is coming out of the blue on internet. I would certainly think you were comprimising security even communicating with him.
    You need to talk to people in your own chain of command, not people you meet from an internet broadcast.

    1. Re:Don't even talk to this guy! by william_w_bush · · Score: 1

      ahem, if he sends you an email, from a .mil address with contact info you can(must) validate that from a .mil site that before communicating with him about anything sensitive (which you can't over a non-secure connection (email, haha) anyway).

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    2. Re:Don't even talk to this guy! by we3 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't you just want him to sign the email with his DoD issued encryption certificate? According to an article in the August "Network World" "If you have an official DOD e-mail account, you also get an e-mail digital certificate."

      Never mind, I just wanted to hear myself type.

    3. Re:Don't even talk to this guy! by Curien · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we have them, but no one uses them for much. Too bad, really, and I'm trying to change that... but I don't have a whole lot of influence, relatively speaking.

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    4. Re:Don't even talk to this guy! by WebCrapper · · Score: 2

      There is a strong difference between .mil addresses. Personally, I have a .mil address like every military person in the world, but I'm a spouse and its easy to tell its an AKO account...

      There are verification channels for all this to go through and the volunteer can just point the parent to specific documents relating to what they're doing.

      There are ways - there are many ways.

    5. Re:Don't even talk to this guy! by JourneymanMereel · · Score: 1

      Having a .mil address only proves one of two things:

      1. The person is in the military
      2. The person knows somebody in the military

      It does nothing to prove that you actually have a security clearance. Nor does it prove that you know how to secure a computer to DoD specs. Speaking personally, I'm in the military and hold a security clearance. I've even used a "secret" computer system, but I don't have a clue what the DoD specs for secure computers are.

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    6. Re:Don't even talk to this guy! by dangrover · · Score: 1

      I've always thought it was weird that AKO was just "us.army.mil". You'd think it'd be "ako.army.mil" or "ako.mil". One thing that is nice, though, is that they let you forward all the mail. I have my AKO account forward all mail to my USACE/ERDC account, which is kind of nice.

  127. DoD compliance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, don't sweat it... I was the ISSM (Information Systems Security Manager) for 1 of the 3 MAC1 (Mission Critical) systems the DoD currently has. It was embarassing how bad the security was and the DoD didn't seem to mind. I also had the NSA as my certification/accreditation authority and they were LAME light-weights, except for a few top guys.! Just do a google for the following:

    DoD 5200.x specifications
    NIST/NSA OS security config guides
    and obtain the DISA "Gold" vuln scanning disks for the required OS's.

    That will give you everything from scanning to remediation. Don't worry about "full" compliance, ANYTHING can cause you to be out of compliance. IIS is a CAT1 finding EVEN for a WEB SERVER! So do what you can, test your @ss off and write business cases for the things you can't fix.

    Just remember, it isn't "security" the DoD is concerned with... it is "assurance" and data handling is much more important than the computer security. If it is "Secret" data with a NIPR/SIPRNET connection than you can't connect it to the internet for ANY REASON. So your real risk is people talking, and carrying data out of the room. Lockable removable HD, NO CD BURNERS, NO FLOPPY, and disable USB ports (flash drives) via the bios with strong (NSA compliant, 4of4) password. I would strongly recommend removing IDE cables to prevent access to devices, don't just disable them in software.

    It's cake... DoD has worse security than most of the clients I do private sector security consulting for. I resigned cause it was horrid and no one seemed to care. ;-)

    -=v00d00=-

  128. The NSA by loimprevisto · · Score: 1

    http://www.nsa.gov/snac/index.cfm?MenuID=scg10.3.1

    Is a good place to look for information about securely configuring various devices and operating systems. And I completely agree with what was said above; talk to your SSO!

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    To a discerning Eye --
    Much Sense -- the starkest Madness
  129. You won't like to hear this... by Eil · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a US Air Force member who handles information and uses computers classified as Secret, I can tell you that there's no physical difference between a Secret machine and an ordinary one. If vendors are telling you that they can build a DoD Secret classified computer, then they are simply blowing smoke up your ass.

    DoD classifications are all about policy, paperwork, and regulations. Not fancy computers. Most people, when they hear of DoD classifications and security clearances, are quick to imagine black vans, polygraph tests, and high-tech datacenters protected better than Fort Knox. Honestly, that's all a bunch of nonsense. All of the classified systems that I've used were just ordinary computers from ordinary manufacturers.

    In my current workplace, we have a standard Gateway PC with a removable hard disk and a few Panasonic Toughbooks. Nothing special at all. The only visible difference between these and the regular office PCs is that they have red stickers all over them that say "Secret" and the fact that we are not to process Secret data on the unclassified PCs and vice versa. The Gateway machine can only be connected to SIPRNET (google it) and the Toughbooks are never connected to any network. That's it. No crazy combination case locks, no biometric devices, no odd software. They all run Windows for crying out loud.

    If it is your job to configure a computer to the equivalent of DoD's Secret classification (I know you don't work for DoD or you'd already have people showing you how), I'd recommend getting whatever kind of computer will fit your needs.

    Then start looking at writing mountains of policies. The first thing you have to do is restrict physical access. This can be done by putting the machine in a locked room with no windows. A laptop would be even easier... just get a GSA-approved safe and keep it in there when it's not in use. Obviously, you would never, ever, ever connect it to any network, period. All the data going in and out should be on CDRs or USB keys and should be accountable somehow. Figure out who needs to have access to it and if they can be trusted. Be sure to emphasize that failure to follow proper security procedures is grounds for immediate termination, whether any information was compromised or not. Ensure that whenever the machine is used, there are never less than two people present. Create an emergency checklist of what to do if the building catches fire, for instance.

    That's all I can think of off the top of my head, you'll probably be able to envision a lot more with some careful thought. Good luck.

    1. Re:You won't like to hear this... by CyberSp00k · · Score: 1

      Amen, brother!

      And don't just write the policies, train them, promote them, enforce them.

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      Spiritus ex Machina
      "The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we CAN imagine."
    2. Re:You won't like to hear this... by gadzook33 · · Score: 1

      This parent is 110% correct and the only useful thing I've read here. A "secret" computer is meaningless and anyone telling you otherwise has no idea what they're talking about. Just put the computer in a SCIF (Secret Compartmented Information Facility) and label it secret. If you're going to connect it to a network, that's a whole other can of worms.

    3. Re:You won't like to hear this... by BravoVictor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, Secret level really doesn't require any special hardware at all, we just use standard dell workstations. The whole bit about the removable HDDs is that you can store the data in a safe if you're not in a SCIF and to quickly pull out and hit with a slege in the case of an attack.

      Make sure to look into EMSEC (emmissions security) for power and if you need networking, go with fibre. To transfer data, floppy disks are best bcause when you are done, you pull out the "floppy" part and throw it through a GSA-approved Secret shredder.

      SIPRNET (Secret-level Internet Protocol Network) style would probably be overkill for y'all, but I don't know what I can say regarding it.

      Just think of Secret data as a virus (bio or tech) just don't do anything that could let it out of that machine or network.

      Well, I don't want to say too much, so ganbatte.

    4. Re:You won't like to hear this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:You won't like to hear this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      This was the exact thinking i was going to suggest. Your best option is to get the specs from the exec in charge of the contract. Your best resource for confirming requirements is going to be your own leadership.

      Panasonic Toughbooks are probably the most used laptops for such purposes. Their laptops are designed for military and police use. Your best bet is to always secure your laptop, use something like PGP to keep your drives encrypted, never connect to any network, modem, usb, or floppy. It should be as simple as disabling those devices in the bios and useing a nice long alpha numberic bios password.

      http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/soluti on_home.asp

    6. Re:You won't like to hear this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I work for a company that builds equipment used in scif, on siprnet, etc. Now this doesn't make me an expert but what the above says is true, but I have a few extra additions:

      It will probably never be hooked up to a network. Ever.

      It needs to stay in your SCIF.
      It will never have anything that touches it that can interact with a computer leave the SCIF unless it's with a courier to another secure area or to an approved destruction site. This includes keyboards, mice, monitors, CDR's, usb-keys, etc.

      That being said, it will need to be accredited first before even being able to use this. If you're building it yourself this will take a heck of a lot longer than you probably want. Thus, you're best bet is to buy an off the shelf, already accredited somewhere else system. Then you will just have to convince the powers that be that whatever deltas from the original accrediation on the system do not impact security.

      If you want to try to do it yourself, please take a look are DISA's SRR's and the NSA security handbooks. Those will get the software configuration for you.

    7. Re:You won't like to hear this... by Damingo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes but there is more.

      Let a brit teach you yanks how to make a secure WS.
      Ok dropping the gump, I work for the British MoD and my job is exactaly yours, apart from I oversee (and do) the making of all WS (Work Stations) within the Defence Procurement Agency of the MoD.

      When I started making WS for the DPA they were a little less secure than the ones that Eil is suggesting. However I soon made one improvement, the inroduction of a "Magic Card", a device which returns the HDD (boot sector, fat (and no i dont mean NTFS as im talking about the actual F System), etc) to a predefined image each time the WS reboots. A rebot is demanded by the system each time a user logs off. This ensures that when a idiot user, saves data to the HDD it is deleted. This also ensures that any Temp Files (intRAnet or otherwise) are deleted.

      Otherwise we use a basic Nakard-Dell (Packard) machine, no outside lan, but access to the Defence Secured EVA System. Data is imported on a removeable drive via a second machine, which needs not be clasified (it is as the av software is, but that dosnt matter). The second machine simpaly boots to CD and runs a full virus sweep of the removeable drive, then shuts down. It has no HDD of its own, so can not actually access the clasified data. When not in use this removable HDD is kept in a SecNoFoN safe (Secret No Forign Nationals). Oh and to ensure a VScan has been run, the second machine sets a flag at the end of the storage drive, when the main pc boots it checks for this flag if it is not present it demands a VScan and shuts down (if it is present it is deleted, and the machine boots).

      As for entry into the room, it is controled by a rifid card (swipe will serve for you), which all members of the base hold (their ID Cards) and only the authorised rifid cards are granted entry to the room. The room contains a shreader and nothing more.

      I hope that this has been of some use!

      Damingo C

      p.s. The machines run a modded version of Win 2k (i have the source woot woot)/.

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    8. Re:You won't like to hear this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USAF and Army love Sun Microsystems SunRay. No disk, can have bio add on and use of smart card to boot. Server sits in high secure area with only network connection to desk. They have ability to pump MS/Linux/Solaris desktop to the SunRay. They are awsome for secure applications.

    9. Re:You won't like to hear this... by QwkHyenA · · Score: 1

      Exactly. And he/she ain't kidding about the mountains of paper work.

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      LFS. Have you built your system today?
    10. Re:You won't like to hear this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few extra things.

      Certain computers have intrusion detection. Basically, it's a button that gets released whenever the case is opened. When a computer's case is opened, a warning message appears on next post. It's about as far as special hardware goes, and there really isn't anything special about it.

      As the parent says, the most important things to have a policy for are the data storage devices and access to them. HDD's, USB keys, etc. Accountability is crucial. One idea would be to assign every storage device to a person (the operator, the network admin, etc.). Ownership would be transferred if the disk had to go anywhere (like to the deletion center, which isn't a sledge, but a device that emits a very strong magnetic field).

      And at the risk of stating the obvious, don't let anyone have even local administrative access.

    11. Re:You won't like to hear this... by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      Not being in the realm of a spy or anything but I just thought I'd point out some obvious things;

      Get rid of floppies, CDs, USB or anything else that allows I/O. The only I/O you'd want is something you create that has an encrypted format that can only be read on the machines designated. So maybe 1 Gig flash drives with a special format -- I'm sure someone has to make these.

      Get an electromagnetic detector (they sell them form monitoring emissions from CRT screens. I would think you'd want an LCD for a classified display (lower emissions). But you still need to detect for any signals leaking out of a room. I was reading that the KGB used to have big detectors on their embassy right near US government offices. They'd pick up the signal from keyboards--then after recording these over time, they could find the keys people were actually pressing by finding microsecond delays in the typing pattern (and I suppose some keys may give a slightly different signal). After detecting the most common letters like "e"s, they could then build the alphabet for a person using the keyboard. Now, I'm sure they can take the weak signal given off by a CRT and deconstruct the actual image. If you can set up metal shielding around a sensitive area, that would be ideal.

      Your weakest point is going to be people. What they carry in and out of the office. But when you look at human nature, if you try to secure things by too many passwords and annoyances, people tend to make the whole system much less secure by writing down the passwords. So that is why biometrics and simple passwords coupled with no hard external connections for sensitive devices -- that should get you there. Biometrics of a sort should be in combination with something else for security -- biometrics are just good because they are easy for people to keep with them and are not prone to "dumpster diving".

      Then, keep people happy and make them feel like they are doing something valuable with team meetings. Pissed off workers are the biggest security risk (hey, I have no CIA experience, but look at what Karl Rove did).

      One other thing; no windows to the outside where people are discussing sensitive information. Laser-accoustic devices have been around for about 20 years that can measure the motion on the glass or any object in a room -- turning any common object into a microphone. This isn't James Bond stuff, this is Radio Shack now. I'd had a Doctor friend of mine describe a recruitment visit by an Unofficial group working for the government (about 20 years ago now). He mentioned that they had radios that changed to random stations aimed at the windows and only talked into their hands -- pretty paranoid. But seeing as how they were asking him to do things that aren't Kosher it wasn't surprising.

      I don't know if these are part of DoD procedure but they should be. Hey, I had an active imagination in the 6th grade -- what can I say?

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    12. Re:You won't like to hear this... by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      That's true. All the spy stuff is for "Top Secret" and beyond. That's where you have to have Faraday cage rooms and tempest proof systems.

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    13. Re:You won't like to hear this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shredding a "floppy" disk is NOT an improvved method of declassification. Using a sledge hammer on an HD is NOT an improved method of destroying a HD.

      As others have said a "SECRET" computer is a normal computer that is worked on in a SCIF. The majority of the issue of having classified computers is clearing the building/room to be used for that purpose. Otherwise, removeable HD if it is not going to be stored in an open storage area and call it a day (obviously you can't have bluetooth, WIFI, etc... cards in the computer).

    14. Re:You won't like to hear this... by Eil · · Score: 1


      I don't know if these are part of DoD procedure but they should be.

      I don't know about the other security classifications, but for Secret, these aren't part of our procedures.

      Get rid of floppies, CDs, USB or anything else that allows I/O.

      We have floppies and CDs for our classified systems. No special formatting or encryption, they just have "Secret" labels on them which tells us that we have to handle them just like any other classified media, with one exception: you can't put a Secret disk into a non-classified computer. If you do, there will be hell to pay and that machine suddenly becomes classified Secret as well. Other than that, the rest is pure common sense. Keep them under positive personal control when not stored in a safe, don't give unauthorized personel access to them, and keep detailed inventories. You have to have *some* way of getting data into and out of the machine. A network connection is a far bigger no-no than removable media as bits are a lot harder to account for than physical media.

      The main point that I was trying to communicate was that DoD regulations make *people* the focal point of security, not the devices. If you can't trust your people, then all the security technology in the world is useless.

      But you still need to detect for any signals leaking out of a room.

      We don't do this either. Mostly because any entity who wants the data badly enough has far easier and less expensive ways of gaining access to it. Murder, for instance. Our classified systems reside on a secured military base, in a secured building, in a secured room. Most secret data processing that the DoD does is in likewise locations. I don't know if there are any procedures for emergency processing of secure data in an insecure environment, but I would imagine they're nothing special... just common sense and keen situational awareness.

    15. Re:You won't like to hear this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you still need to detect for any signals leaking out of a room.

      We don't do this either. Mostly because any entity who wants the data badly enough has far easier and less expensive ways of gaining access to it.


      It makes sense that you work with the people for security. I was talking about Max security, not the normal military secrets that might cover troop deployments.

      But what you are telling me is that you are still like an open book to the methods the KGB was using 30 years ago. I'm sure there hackers have access to anything networked--they have better hackers (for the most part) than we do--unless we were smart enough to hire them. Some of these guys spun off from the KGB and are even now extorting banks with hacked customer lists. Since DoD doesn't protect against EM radiation, you could be on a mountain or a satellite (anything with line of sight). You could pick up these EM signals.

      But I think that governments these days are more involved in corporate espionage and are mainly worried with public oversight. Hell, the most common leaks for military technology during even the cold war was actually the contractors. If you need to get more money to build a newer submarine propeller, let the enemy have the plans (this is just one example that actually found its way into the press). Then the government needs a new propeller. Its really about money.

      I'm sure that's not what the average worker sees in government security. I just look at the wholesale theft that goes on with the Bush group -- I'm sure they are more worried about getting caught embezzling than if Pakistan gets their hands on plans for a Neutron Bomb, for instance.

      Sorry to be so cynical.

  130. Environment is more important than hardware. by joedoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You will probably find, after digging through reams of directives, instructions and memos, that there are about a million ways to do this. I work in a military command and hold a top secret (SCI) clearance. At our site, all our classified work is done on ordinary workstations and laptops. Most of the systems are Dells purchaed off the shelf, and I've built at least one clone.

    None of those systems have removeable drives, though having them is a good idea. It makes securing them easier, something you must do in a government-approved container (i.e., a safe). The space in which the systems are located and used must be secure to the level of classified information (secret, in your case). At our site, this is a window-less room with a large vault-like steel door. The door can be secured with a combination lock and a push-button cypher lock, the latter of whch is in use at all times (the combination lock is secured after hours). All classified material (papers, discs, ect) must be stored when the space is unoccupied.

    The system will probably need to meet DOD C2 requirements, which you'll likely read about. Windows NT was close to C2, and I believe Windows 2000 is as well. The system must have positive authentication for users, appropriate warnings that appear on login, an audit trail, and ways of neutraliziing memory and swap space. Windows has a setting that clears the virtual memory/swap file on each reboot.

    As for networking, if you want to network internally within your spaces, you can set up a normal LAN, but outside access will require using a secure network like the SIPRNET. You won't have access to the outside world (i.e., the Internet). Most DOD components contract for SIPR connectivity through DISA.

    As you already know, labeling the CPU is important. You'll also need to label media, and keeping a log of all storage media in use is a pretty good idea to CYA. In fact, some places require it. You might also want to find out about the need for secondary storage off-site. If this is going to be a requirement, you'll need to find a similarly-classified place that you trust to stow your backup materials.

    You will need to follow the DOD rules on destruction of drives and disks no longer in use...you just can't toss old floppies or hard drives onto the 20-year pile in your office. Research the destruction procedures, and learn to store unused material until you can have it destroyed.

    You can buy shredders that will eat CDs and diskettes, but they have to be classified for the security level. Don't use the $29 Office Max shredder on sale for this.

    The real key is getting users to follow the rules. Users, as you know, are the biggest pain in the ass, and you'll always be on top of them to keep the spaces sanitized. Remind them that once they save any classified material to removable storage, that storage is now classified and cannot be used outside of the environment.

    Aren't you glad you have to do this?

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    Joe Dougherty, Florida, USA
    The words I thought I brought, I left behind. So, never mind.
    1. Re:Environment is more important than hardware. by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      You can buy shredders that will eat CDs and diskettes, but they have to be classified for the security level. Don't use the $29 Office Max shredder on sale for this.

      If you're really lucky, you'll get to play with those hard drive shredders. They rock. And they do exactly what it sounds like - remove a HD, toss it in the shredder, cover your ears. More likely you'll be using a service for this kind of activity.

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  131. And according to Dilbert:... by cocoa+moe · · Score: 1

    ...Task is not a verb! So to be "tasked" with something is like, uhhn, I can't think of a good example. But I am not a native speaker.

    1. Re:And according to Dilbert:... by gluckmac · · Score: 1

      In the military "task" is both a noun and a verb.

      Soldiers and units are tasked to perform a set of tasks.

      An example of the military advancing the English language.

  132. Re:Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail by CyberSp00k · · Score: 1

    This is the best advice I've seen here. I've been around military and industrial computer security for most of my working career (~30 years) and everything that jinx90277 posted is spot on.

    The original poster needs to get a fast course in the nuances of the NISPOM. His site needs an accredited Security Officer, a certified facility, special-purpose safes, training programs for the system users, policies and procedures, security clearances, and, finally, a machine for doing the actual classified processing. The last is ABSOLUTELY the cheapest and easiest part of the process.

    The original poster needs to check out jinx' references ASAP.

    As for all you folk hassling him for asking about his problem here, you need to take a chill pill. Asking for help is the only way to learn and the NISPOM is a beast that no one should face unprepared and alone.

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    "The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we CAN imagine."
  133. What level of security? by dtfinch · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm unfamiliar with the DoD's standards, but I expect there are levels, like the NSA's Common Criteria EAL 1-7 security certifications. From here on I'll be rambling about things I have little or no experience with.

    A password protected encrypted partition for sensitive info, like the user's home directory if you can get it working, no swap file/partition, no sort of CD or USB auto-run, password protected BIOS, and a password protected 1 minute screen saver seem like must-haves. SELinux can restrict permissions on a per-program basis if you're using Linux. Stickers like you mentioned that are damaged when removed are a good idea which I never would have thought of. A file integrity checker like samhain may also detect tampering, at a cost of performance if you have it check everything. Unless also encrypted, backups can pose a security risk, so you'll want a mirrored RAID. If you get two drives of the same model, from the same batch, you'll have a better than average chance of both failing the same day, the second while you're rebuilding the first.

    Of course, if you've gotten this far, you should also worry about emissions. CRT emissions can be picked up and reconstructed from miles away with the right equipment. There's little use in all this other security when anyone with a disk, $100, and some spare time can just look at your screen. Then, someone could always sneak in and plug a key logger into the back of the system without you noticing, so you'll need to some sort of physical security as well to prevent moving the system or accessing the back of the case, and a lock on the door to the room the system is housed in.

    1. Re:What level of security? by dtfinch · · Score: 1

      Didn't notice the removeable hard drive part, so forget the RAID.

      If you're extremely paranoid, you'll want a lock to prevent unauthorized hard disk removal/replacement.

    2. Re:What level of security? by rnelsonee · · Score: 1
      Honestly, most of your recommendations are not needed for Secret level compliance. The hardware for such a machine doesn't need to be any different from an unclass machine. The only exception being that if the machine is giong to be unused and unattended, the hard drive should be removable (for storage in a DoD-approved safe).

      Based on the Secret machines I've seen:

      You don't need a password protected BIOS (the logon screen is good enough)

      No password needs to be on the screen saver

      Stickers are needed, but not for tamper-proofing. Instead, they're there to simply identify the computer's classification level.

      Backups don't need to be encrypted, but like all calssified material, need to be stored properly (DoD safe again), and obviouisly, there is a great deal of control (logging/labelling of all info that comes off the machine).

      TEMPEST (anti-emisssions) systems are not required for Secret level machines.

      The keylogger convienently brings me to the whole point - having a Secret machine is based more on the environment and control of the information, not hardware. The machine in question must be in a seperate area with controlled access. No one should ever be in the same room as the Secret-level machine without being authorized to do so. There will always be some sort of access control on the door to the room, and most of the time there is a log that you have to sign. The only exception I've seen for this is aboard a Navy ship, but then again, you needed clearance just to be on the ship, so my identity was verified beforehand.

    3. Re:What level of security? by dtfinch · · Score: 1

      Hence the "From here on I'll be rambling about things I have little or no experience with." in the first paragraph.

  134. Secure Comps - Biometrics, Floppy, USB, BIOS by erica_ann · · Score: 1

    My advice would be incorporate a biometric fingerprint system, no floppy drives.

    Also, things to consider:

    If you are using Swappable hardrives remember USB ports can be bootable from a thumb drive as well as that USB port can also be used to save data on one.
    Do the CD burners have to be bootable? If not, I would set it in the bios not to boot from a CD ROM.
    Password the BIOS and make sure it is a new enough BIOS that just jumpering it will not bypass the BIOS password.
    Secure the physical access. It doesn't do any good to secure the computer if the location it is at is open to anyone.
    Does this computer HAVE to be on a network if it has a burner and swappable hardrives? Not all do...
    I would also not put it on the network where there is an internet connection or considering VLANS, Subnets that are out of range on a network (If it HAS to be on a network) so it restricts it from being on the internet. If the function does not require internet usage.. that's one less security risk.
    Admin restrict the services that are run on the computer. - If using Windows, not all services are necessary even with a default install.
    Consider using a *nix or *BSD OS and if windows has to be loaded, use VMware.
    Set password expirations and complicated passwords that brute force and dictionary attacks would not get. Run programs against it to check for password protection to see how close these programs get.
    Also use tools to check for exploits, keep it updated, and check the ports that are open on it if connected to a network.

    Just my 2 cents.. or 3. I could think of a lot more, but those are just off the top of my head and many are overlooked.

    1. Re:Secure Comps - Biometrics, Floppy, USB, BIOS by 1336.5 · · Score: 0

      NEGATIVE on the biometric fingerprint. In the military we use a biometric fingerprint and a PIN number to access data on our CAC (ID) cards, like what we have to do when we get a new ID card issued. Wheather or not for rank change or re-enlistment. The last time I got a new card for some reason my darn fingerprint didnt match...like OH NO its a parody of Face-Off the movie. So please tell me how you get access out of just a fingerprint when the fingerprint dosnt match which will happen. What happens when you burn or cut your finger - the fingerprint is either nonexistant or has been modified. What happens if your skin is a little oily that day - nope no access then either.

    2. Re:Secure Comps - Biometrics, Floppy, USB, BIOS by erica_ann · · Score: 1

      I can see where there could be problems with the fingerprint. I guess the people I know that have used it just haven't run into the problem

      Although I like the idea of the card and the pin number. I have run into clients that use that approach for Security reasons for pharmaceutical companies when they log into their computers.

      Anywho.. I still have to wonder about a person that will be doing a job for the DOD who asks the question on slashdot. That is like the last place you would want to get publicity with that..

  135. Read the Glossaries.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the above website is a list of glossaries...one of the links is broken, but google for 4009.pdf glossary will nail it.

    I suspect you are going to have to learn more of the language then "sticker". Consider the glossaries your bed time reading for the next few days/weeks...etc.

    g'luck and don't forget to smile when you get your RFID tag implanted.

  136. Ha! Mod parent up! ;-) by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    No, really!

    It is silly to ask this question over here,
    EXCEPT for the case when it is fishing for
    the interesting answer to some completely
    unrelated question, like, "How's computer
    security in your DoD-approved location is
    done?".

    No, I've never had a clearance (though
    worked in a place where I'd need one to
    advance any further) -- and I do know
    that on the "dark" side of the network
    they did not use Wintel, they used DEC... ;-)

    Paul B.

  137. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by syousef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love that. Don't go to /. on military security, EMAIL me. He doesn't even KNOW you, so how are you going to become a trusted source.

    This guys is a bonehead asking for advice on /. "Dear /., I want to make a secure boxen to do top secret security stuff on. How do I do it?" How about "don't tell the world you're setting up a secure box, and don't take advice from strangers. Talk to the DoD yourself!

    And to you. Shame on you for replying on /. Personally if I were you I'd steer well clear so he doesn't take me down with him.

    --
    These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
  138. You can't secure Windows or Linux by supradave · · Score: 1

    Part of the problem is that you can scan any portion of memory with Windows or Linux. If you can scan any part of memory, you can find keys and such that will allow you access. And since both are 'general purpose' they are only using Privilege Level 0 and PL 3 of the processor. Probably would help if they would write it to use PL 1 and PL 2 too. But that would be a major rewrite.

    What you'd need to do is to build a new OS from the ground up which would take privilege levels into account and prevent memory scans from the get go. Then you'd have to sell it to some 3-letter agencies and get them to use it.

    Fortunately, the company I am currently working for is doing just that. You can read about it shortly (I hope). In fact, I'm sure that some of you who have read the Register have heard about us.

  139. Get a vendor by deanj · · Score: 1

    Unless you've got experience with this sort of thing, get the vendor to do it.

    You know how security is...you just miss one single thing, and it's unsecure, and you're screwed. Getting a vendor that knows what they're doing gets this monkey off your back, and it puts the burden on them... if they screw up, they're liable, not you.

  140. Step 1 by The+Woodworker · · Score: 0

    Require good passwords.

    Step 2

    Include removable hard drive that's easy to steal.

    Step 3

    Pull head from butt and notice the insecurity inherent in removable hard drives. Why not just give them floppy disks and a laptop.

    --
    Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach him to fish and he'll wipe out the species.
  141. Re:Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail by maotx · · Score: 1

    Links! Thats what I really needed. Our building and company is already certified, we're just adding computers to the list now. What I was really trying to get at in my question was, what should I expect and what is the pros and cons of purchasing the computer from a vendor and building itself.

    Thanks, your post was one of the few good ones.

    --
    I'm a virgo and on Slashdot. Coincidence? Yes.
  142. Re:Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail by Cerebus · · Score: 1

    If your building & company are already certified for classified processing, then your company already has a security officer who knows what you need. This is the person you should be talking to, not /.

    Duh.

    --
    -- Cerebus
  143. Guaranteed DoD complient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get your seedy mate (everyone has one) to break in and steal one from DoD!

  144. Paint it mil-spec green by msobkow · · Score: 1

    One thing I do remember from working on milspec projects many years ago was that our project failed an inspection because some pipe valves were black. The part number was identical to milspec, but they weren't painted milspec green.

    Spray paint took care of it, and the next inspection was passed.

    Seriously, check with someone who knows the requirements. Even though I'd worked on milspec systems, I never knew the security requirements, nor did anyone else I worked with. Those requirements were handled by other specialists on the project, and no one had access to any specs that weren't needed for their part of the project.

    --
    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
  145. What a deal by felix+rayman · · Score: 1

    The computer will be used to create secure CAD drawings (Solidworks, OrCAD, etc) and must have, from what I can tell, a removable hard drive and security stickers to prevent tampering

    I'll sell you "Do Not Tamper With!" stickers for...wait, this is for the government? $10,000 each.

  146. ATTN: Mods, this guy is a dimwit please mod down by CHESTER+COPPERPOT · · Score: 5, Informative

    Any of you /.'ers ever study art history? Here is a little lesson about fraud.

    In the Art world when a piece of Art has a past where the time record has some glitches in it (Read: unaccountable) it is automatically considered a fraud. When things don't have a timeline, like this guys posting record here and the fact that his myspace profile says he is 19, you gotta know something is up.

    Congratulations though /. mods. You just got social engineered.

  147. Re:Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail by maotx · · Score: 1

    Our FSO is not very experienced with secure computers and definatly not an IT person. I posted this on /. for a more techinical viewpoint. I have the information to secure a computer and call in an auditer to certify it. OPSEC is not being violated here. All information being discussed is public knowledge and you don't know who I am or who or which company I may work for. I'm just asking a whatif. Heck, I could even be a high school student researching this for an English paper or wanting to know how to do it if I choose to go into a classified IT job. In all reality, I just want to know the pros and cons of going through a vendor as opposed to building it yourself and what steps can be taken to go beyond the minimal requirements.

    --
    I'm a virgo and on Slashdot. Coincidence? Yes.
  148. You'll find everything you need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in "Computer Security Criteria: DoD Standards" otherwise known as The Ugly Red Book that won't fit on a shelf. Jeez man, have you never seen Hackers?!?!?!

  149. Safe + Laptop by leehwtsohg · · Score: 1

    I have no idea in these matters. But you asked slashdot...
    Find the definition of a safe at this security level, safe enough to store documents, get a laptop, and put the laptop in the safe.

  150. MOD PARENT UP by Adam9 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Taken from GP's Myspace profile:

    thomas's Blurbs
    About me:
    if u really want to know just ask
    Who I'd like to meet:
    i would like to meet peopl from hawaii but i like meeting other people too.


    thomas's Details
    Status: Single
    Here for: Dating, Serious Relationships, Friends
    Orientation: Straight
    Hometown: wipahu
    Zodiac Sign: Capricorn
    Smoke / Drink: No / Yes
    Children: Someday
    Education High school

    1. Re:MOD PARENT UP by ZosX · · Score: 1

      Hilarious. A 19 year old security expert in the military? Is this even really possible? For amusement, I had to check out the blog of the girl. You know. The one showing off her rather nicely shaped (if not a bit small) ass. Talk about a real winner. Check out this profile:

      Leilani's Interests
      General love modeling
      Music Music? i love music
      Movies Whtever you like
      Television MTV
      Books never heard of it
      Heroes meee
      Groups: Aloha Ohana

      View All Leilani's Groups

                Leilani's Details
      Status: Single
      Here for: Dating, Friends
      Orientation: Straight
      Zodiac Sign: Aries
      Children: Someday
      Education In college

      I like the part about how she never heard of books. Her friend's comment is absolutely stunning as well.

        6/22/2004 12:11:00 PM

      hey hey hey whats up gherl thanks for hitting meeh back up and returning the love hehe usually people dont even reply LoL and sorry for taking forever and a year to hit you back up but i just came back from maui so been M.I.A. for a while LoL dang messages all piled up...anyways thats good that you be doing good hope you enjoy your summer as for meeh i be doing alright could be better hard to get what you want when you can't get it but just trynna enjoy the summer as best as i can so far but feel free to hit meeh up whenever you feel the need aights? HoLLa bACk PaYcEE!!!...

      Do people go to AOL Elementary and watch MTV for homework these days or something?

      I am truly disappointed. To the grandparent: If these are your friends, you need to keep looking man. At least find someone with some depth for chrissakes!

    2. Re:MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      requirement for military enlistment: high school education I got in with a GED

    3. Re:MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least find someone with some depth for chrissakes!

      He's 19. The only "depth" he's looking for is between the legs, not between the ears.

    4. Re:MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it helps, all computer techs in the military think they're fucking experts. And most of them seem to be 19ish. And I love shooting them down, quizzing them on raid levels, etc.

    5. Re:MOD PARENT UP by SuperJew · · Score: 1

      "A 19 year old security expert in the military? Is this even really possible?"

      Yes. Very.
      In the army, its MOS 96B, and you can enlist at 17.

      I was late. I built my first SECRET systems at 23 in the army, and continue to operate a SIPRNET node in my building. But I digress.

      --
      /sig
  151. Delegate, for your own sake by AmicoToni · · Score: 1

    Methinks no computer system is completely secure, considering both the technical and human aspects.

    Your role is just to supply a system that respects the specifications, except you were probably given fuzzy specifications. If something bad happens, you will be the one getting blamed, certainly not the ones giving you fuzzy specifications and having high security expectations.

    Hence, you'd better minimizing your personal responsability, delegating the task to a vendor. You will accomplish two results: having someone already knowledgeable involved, which never hurts, and removing yourself from a very hot spot, in the remote case that something untowards does eventually happen.

    Do not do this yourself if you do not have suitable know-how already. Knowledge has a cost for a reason. Delegate to vendors, repeating exactly the same fuzzy specification you were given.

  152. Re:Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail by CyberSp00k · · Score: 1

    If you have a DoD-certified FSO/SSO, he or she has an opposite number or point-of-contact in the DoD who can help answer a lot of your questions.

    Definitely call in an outside, licensed, professional consultant who specializes in DoD and NISPOM security issues to help you with this. Even with a facility already certified for handling classified material, you will need to have more policies, procedures, and physical tools in place to handle the additional requirements for IT security.

    Good luck.

    --
    Spiritus ex Machina
    "The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we CAN imagine."
  153. Seriously by TheCabal · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you're working for the DoD, you'll need a system that has been certified to handle classified material. The certification process means that it has undergone DITSCAP and meets certain criteria such as EMSEC. You really don't want to be homebrewing a machine that is going to be processing classified material, especially if it's not certified.

    1. Re:Seriously by FluffyG · · Score: 1

      The computer doesn't need to be certified persay. Once you build any computer and it has been put into a secret network then it has become classified secret and cannot be logged onto an unclassified network (i.e. the internet).

      I configure two different types of servers and workstations (secret and TS+) and i get my server builds from a part of the government but they are unclassified server images and builds. Once you build a computer and it enters a classified network then it becomes the classification of the network.

      Same with any material... Once any classified secret or TS documents are loaded onto the machine then that machine is automatically classified to the level of the document for life and should be put in a strong room...

    2. Re:Seriously by 1336.5 · · Score: 0

      Negative,

      Machines must meet certain criteria for secret, another standard for TS.

      Machines can be declassified via wipe disk programs, some are DoD certified, some are NSA certified.

      Agreed, the classification of the machine depends on the info stored on it.

  154. Most importantly... by FreeHeel · · Score: 2, Informative

    This may be obvious, but: 1. Don't network this computer. 2. Implement physical access controls. 3. Require strong passwords. 4. Isolate this computer from all other electronic and RF sources to comply with TEMPEST requirements. 5. Don't ask these sorts of questions on Slashdot. You have already compromised OPSEC.

  155. woo hooo by crashelite · · Score: 2, Funny

    how to make a really really secure system... write the whole operating system from scratch and make it so you and only you know what the hell is going on that way you can concider it job security... if they downsize they have to keep at least u to run the server....

    --
    (yes i know i suck at spelling fell free to correct my grammar and/or spellin i dont care, im still not going to change
  156. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Mancat · · Score: 1

    What irony? The guy was offering to provide correct information through a private means of communication. He wasn't telling the parent to "please stay quiet."

    --
    hello dear sirs my name is jamesh i are india (bihar) can u guide me install red had linux 9?
  157. VMware ACE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use VMware ACE to lock it down.

  158. How about this novel approach? by Kulaid982 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For as expensive as any of the security implementations are going to be for anything that ANYONE has replied to for this question... If your boss trusts you enough to design, buy, and implement the system, why not just ask for a substantial raise (say twice your current salary to whatever the most expensive of these recommendations would run, whatever suits you) to cover the cost of you personally babysitting the machine while people use it? OK, your company would have to spend a small sum to make sure that the room the machine's in is inaccessible when you're not there. But otherwise, when you're on the clock, you're watching the thing like a hawk. Somebody tries something fishy, you ask them what the hell they're doing right then and there, and there's no risk. Think about it.

    --

    Isn't it interesting how you come to recognize posters based solely on their sigs???
  159. RTFI by tengu1sd · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Find The Instruction

    For a DoD standard there is a governing instruction. It may reference other instructions. You need to have a copy of that and read. Read it again. Then take time to study it before you read it.

    Your contracting officer can point you in the right direction and provide access to The Instruction

    Once you have an idea of what your requirements are, draft a Project Plan, Statement of Work, Compliance Notice, whatever you call it, it details how your group will meet the standards specified in The Instruction. Get internal input and review.

    Now that you have something on paper, talk to your manager and have the contracting officer or security authority review your plan. They will tell you're unsafe to entrust classified material to. Then they will produce a checklist of potential violations you must clear. This is their job and what they live for, don't annoy these people, you want their input. Review this list and clear it.

    You now have a plan which will satisfy The Instruction.

  160. Re:ATTN: Mods, this guy is a dimwit please mod dow by extrasolar · · Score: 1

    No kidding. The moderating system simply doesn't work here and the admins of this website seem to prefer sitting on their thumbs about it. Maybe they don't think there's anything wrong. Anyway, whatever.

  161. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by xarak · · Score: 1


    "No security through obscurity"?

    --
    Atheism is a non-prophet organisation
  162. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If it's not a conversation for the masses, why would you be willing to talk about it to some random dude from slashdot? I call bullshit.

  163. Those guys sell such computers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.micronic.sk/index.php?lang=en

    Remember, secure computer doesn't consist of removable HD and stickers. You have to prevent any elecromagnetic leaks from inside tha case / monitor / keyboard. Keyboard, for example has to be connected by an optic cable, or the metallical cable has to be *perfectly* shielded. You also have to protect data on HD, so nobody can read it even after removal from the case. This is done by encrypting data written to the disk via a PCI card. The card has its own processor, and the main CPU in computer never sees the encryption key. You have different levels of "securing" the computer, and anything above certain level will multiply the price of computer MANY times.

  164. 14 year veteran and I have NEVER.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...seen anything like this. This is one question that I would never ask on /. There are many smart people who comment on here from time to time, but I would ask for assistance from some other military command if you don't have the knowledge available at
    your current workplace. Also, some other guy posted
    on here about using normal computers, this could be true, I have always seen computers purchased from normal vendors, even the ones connected to SIPR and NIPR networks and i'm no expert on this, but it IS all about policy.

  165. Re:Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail by dexomn · · Score: 1

    So what the hell did you guys do with flight 77 anyway?

  166. Heh by Khlept0 · · Score: 0

    I've been a SysAd on the SIPRNET / JWICS and others for a few years now. You don't need anything special (physically) for a computer to be placed on the SIPRNET. Obviously you need to be up on your IAVA patches and only have software accredited for that particular network. If you have questions about what can and cannot be placed on the SIPRNET then contact your security manager.

  167. ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as an imo for the us army, dod security is easy -
    -anything connected to a secret machine is secret, ie: other computers, networking components(hubs, switches, routers, etc...), usb drives, cds, floppies, printers
    -if it is networked, the entire network must be confined to a secret area, or encrypted to the current standards when crossing insecure areas

    the only thing to keep in mind is if it is on a network it must meet the minimum requirements of that network, most dod networks require a minimum quantity of ram, hd space, processor speed, os, all os patches must meet the regulations put out by that network(some updates are not authorized, others are required) - if its not being hooked up to an outside dod network then the network administrator makes the rules regarding what to patch unless there is an overseeing dod agent(assuming this is for goverment work).

  168. The Zeroth and First Steps... by harmless_mammal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a practicing Information System Security Officer myself, there's two things you need to complete before you install anything:

    Step 0:

    You must get the proper briefings from your site's Information Systems Security Manager.

    At a minimum, you will need to get a Software Validation briefing and possibly an ISSO briefing.

    If you haven't completed an SV briefing, then you are not authorized to install ANY operating system on classified hardware.

    You will need the ISSO briefing if you are responsible for creating user accounts or are responsible for maintaining the audit records for the system.

    Step 1:

    You must have a System Security Plan (SSP). This document tells you how your system must be configured, both in terms of physical security and system/network security.

    Your SSP, and any systems created under it, need an Interim Approval To Operate (IATO) from the Defense Security Service before you can begin processing classified information.

    If you have an existing (approved!) SSP, and your ISSM is authorized to self-certify the OS you are using, then things can happen relatively quickly.

    If you do NOT have a pre-existing (approved!) SSP for this new system, then you could be looking at months before your new system is cleared for classified processing.

  169. Step 1 - Don't give access to the PC hardware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not quite as secure, but I design and build security and information systems for Corrections Facilities (where people generally have a lot of time to figure out how to get around enforced rules - and that is just the officers...)

    My first suggestion would be - does the PC need to be in the same location as the user? We lock away PCs in a server or equipment room with KVM extenders, or use Terminal based systems. These are a much better idea than letting a user have physical access to the box.

    I use access control (use biometrics if you really need to) and CCTV in and out of the server rooms. This provides an audit history of people who have access the PC areas.

    Our users don't generally need to load and save files (they view fixed network data), so you'd have to look at a method of doing this securely.

  170. The DoD doesn't have Private Keys by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

    Oh wait, they do.

    It's pretty easy to tell who's who in the DoD...

    --
    A house divided against itself cannot stand.
  171. it's not just the hardware by RaymondRuptime · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What you failed to mention in your plea for help is what the location of the system will be, and to what it will be connected. Other posters with similar experience to mine have said that they didn't use anything special... but that they were on a military base, etc.

    The certification process is all about controling access to the data and verifying that access was controled (and knowing who to arrest if it wasn't). People in a well-secured site that may only be accessed by persons with the same or higher clearance as the classification of the data being processed can just about get by with a sticker and be done: the facility is handling all of the physical and electronic access control, the unit will never be allowed to leave its room, and so the work is easy. If you are building this for an office where somebody just needs to "do some classified stuff", you have all that other stuff to handle.

    In that situation, for example, you need removable hard drives, which will indeed be removed (all of them) between uses, and stored in a container like a safe that is certified for that kind of storage. You may need to make sure that there is no way to write data to a medium other than the hard disk or approved local printer, so you may need to remove or permanently disable the floppy drive, CD burner, and so on. And the machine cannot be on your LAN while it is being used for classified work. Even so, you'll need to pay attention to the selection of OS, turn on all of the auditing features. There will be a lot of process and procedures, check-lists that will need to be followed for each use.

    Where you get your hardware is the least of your worries. Buy whatever you want that meets spec, and then expect to do substantial mods to the h/w, OS, etc. If the vendor is willing to remove stuff and do OS mods for you, less work for you.

    Good luck. I've heard of groups taking over a year to get a machine certified for processing on their first time out.

  172. OpenBSD by PrayingWolf · · Score: 0, Troll


    HEY! Secure by default!
    Use PF (packetfilter) to send scriptkiddies to /dev/null

  173. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by WebCrapper · · Score: 1

    The very lowest rule of OPSEC is security through obscurity. I know it was a joke, but obviously you've never been around the military.

    When overseas, this rule applies to everything, including daily life in or out of your home. Personally, the idiots that walk around with an American t-shirt in a rough area deserve what they get because they don't listen to OPSEC in any way.

  174. Classified information by octogen · · Score: 1

    If you have to deal with classified information, you may want to use an information labeling operating system (one that supports mandatory access control) such as Trusted Solaris.

    Any OS that has been evaluated against the TCSEC B1 specification should be suitable.

    However, I don't know much about special hardware... AFAIK there isn't a lot of certified hardware from the mainstream PC vendors (Dell, HP,...); some companies more specialized in IT security (Getronics for example) offer combinations of certified hardware and software (up to TCSEC A1 IIRC).

  175. Sample of data by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Funny

    Please send me a sample of the data that you are trying to keep secret - this will enable me to best work out how to keep it secure ....

    1. Re:Sample of data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMFG, you cant be serious. "Send me a sample of the data"???? Any bit of it would be classified and any attempt to use generic terms and such would still be a violation of common security practices. I cant believe this question is even on /. it doesn't belong on here.

    2. Re:Sample of data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here you go:

      Bn$4uty/50738HirEEz~

      Please keep this confidential.

  176. Just a thought by martian67 · · Score: 0

    As someone who just finished studying and reading the CERT guide for System Administration and Accreditation (yes, it was torture), I find that most system administrators do not know the principles within, or recklessly choose to disregard some of the most helpful ones. Many system administrators are seat-of-the-pants, self-taught individuals who learn along the way as issues come up, and sometimes miss some of the fine points of securing a system. A lot of admins push large upgrades on production systems, or use test systems still connected to the main network (the recent 60,000 computer fiasco reported in/. is a good example), don't practice isolation, choose their products on budget or because of a last minute need (although sometimes this is unavoidable), do not configure firewalls correctly, do not lock down their systems tightly, etc. Sometimes they do everything they should, but out of order. A lot of people don't realize the importance of order in bringing systems online. Many times, these are on critical systems or systems which contain confidential information. Customer information is put at risk, simply because the administrators do not know any better.
    A lot of companies hire admins who are actually unqualified, but who can do a "good enough" job because they don't understand what to look for in an admin.
    Not all admins are this way, but a suprising number of them are.

    If admins out there honestly knew everything there was to know about security, and administer their system to the CERT guide specs, then I would be impressed. Because my experience in observing everything from large university systems, health care systems, tag agency (all-you-need-for-identity-theft-agencies, more appropriately) systems, corporate systems (credit card information and personal information), is that this simply isn't so.
    A lot of penetration testing reveals vulnerabilities in areas that are clearly stated in that CERT guide.

  177. Have you tried CISSP? by AKosygin · · Score: 1

    Maybe you should read up briefly on the domains they specified in the CISSP Exams, maybe that will give you some leads.

  178. SA 5+ years for DoD by 1336.5 · · Score: 0

    It has been a long standing policy for "Secured/Classified" Computers to have such things as removeable hard drives which are locked and unlocked by a special key. It is the most effective way to control who uses the computer itself, obviously the OS is stored on the HDD. Simply control access to that specific hard drive and there you go. Unfortunatley I wouldnt go through all the trouble of securing access to "sensitive" information just to boot into windows. I would use OS X or another UNIX/LINUX variant. As far as hardware goes..being that our secure HDD's are about 5-6 years old now they were from a popular vendor who likes to subcontract all of its components from the lowest bidder. I shall refrain from saying their name because I believe their are many other companies that offer better quality computer hardware.

    As for the stickers something BIG and RED, but slightly less than an eyesore is great. It is a sign that no one could miss!

    As for building a completely secure computer? Err...why not just make sure the case itself has locks, and if you really want to go the extra mile, remove the memory after each use. Im pretty sure that would keep your computer secure.

    PS. Things like this should never, never be discussed further on /. Everything I hae said comes from knowledge of computer components and easily Googled information concerning COMPUSEC and COMSEC policies implemented by DoD.

    Please lock and/or otherwise prevent further discussion on this topic.

    sorry I am not spell checking at 415 am.

    1. Re: SA 5+ years for DoD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Simply control access to the hard drive
      >and there you go.

      No way! Using proper technology even the RAM modules of a computer that has been turned off for some time can be read off to some 30% on occasions. The RF emissions from a monitor or its signal cable can be listened over the air. Monitoring the power consumption of a system could be analyzed for clues. Recording of the noise made by the HDD can be analyzed to learn what the machine was doing. Or the sound of you typing, every key clicks slightly different.

      Remember the news where some researchs are trying to listen to ancient conversations recorded on wet pottery being made right then?

      And we haven't even spoke about illegal mind control. If you can't break into the computer, conquer the user!

  179. Qualifications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Since you had to post this question on /. it says alot about your qualifications to perform such a task. But since I'm partially sympathetic your cause I'll give you a clue or two.
    First of all, it depends on your budget. That will be your first constraint in designing and acquiring a system. If there is a large enough budget, go with a DoD contracting company that does it for a living. If not, go ahead and give a whirl at building your own.
    Second, technical expertise. If you are not very technical (since you mentionted that you've been pushed towards being an administrator - probably because you know what an OS is), then you should highly consider a DoD contracting company that will provide technical assistance to you with the system. Take in consideration operational needs (24x7, etc).
    Third, since you are probably belong to a contracting company to a DoD agency, contact them for assistance. Their security personnel will give you guidance since you will be processing classified information related to them.
    Fourth, take some IT classes and get your company to pay for them. It can only help you out since you have been "growing into the job of a system administrator". Consider getting a degree.
    Fifth, don't be a moron and tell the whole world how inept you are at your job and maybe get fired because someone from your company or your coresponding DoD agency reads your post and figures out who you are.
    Sixth, don't tell everyone in the world that you are building a classified network (especially the level of classification - definitely not what anyone else outside of your company needs to know) when what you really want to know is pros and cons of using a system vendor versus building your own and giving away unclassified but sensitive information that an opponent of the U.S. can use against you.

    Hope that helps you out.

  180. Take this guys subscription away (MOD DOWN!) by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

    First of all, soliciting advice on the construction of a computer that meets DoD compliance on Slashdot , of all places, is probably not the brightest of ideas...you might want to keep this from your employers if you are interested in keeping your job.

    Yeah, why would you ask a question on a site read by some of the brightest minds in the computer and networking industries?

    Just filter out the assholes who use multiple lines for ASCII sigs and have no idea what they are talking about. I hate using the scroll wheel more because you've bought a subscription and try to get the top post on every god damn topic. And what is up with to mods? +5 "Interesting?" Should be "Redundant" with a dash of "Idiot" because you clearly don't understand the question being posed.

    Why must people do this everytime an "Ask Slashdot" is posted? Just answer or post your tripe on another topic.

  181. What about RAM by terminal.dk · · Score: 1

    I have seen that it is possible to read out RAM contents today, with an acceptable low bit error rate.

    So shouldn't the RAM be removed as well ? Or is the US not concerned about secrecy but only bureaucracy ?

    1. Re:What about RAM by sam+the+lurker · · Score: 1

      It sure would be interesting read an article or a study that showed reading of RAM after power had been removed for some time. I am sure there is some decay function associated with the persistency of the state of the memory, but I would have thought it was on the order of milliseconds not hours or days.

      Remember, according to the NISPOM, when the DoD is certifying a system for classified processing they are looking at the whole enviroment, the builiding, the floor, the room, the people, etc. So that a vulnerability at one level (the computer) is mitigated by security at the other levels (the computer is inside an locked, alarmed room, inside an locked, alarmed building).

  182. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Stop hating on the military.

    If it wasn't for those mother fucking godless terrorist heathens from the Middle (B)East the Word Trade Center would still be standing.

    The military protects pussies like you from motherfuckers like them.

    Of course, you probably believe September 11th was "understandable" due to the "oppression" of the Arab peoples.

    Abu Ghraib? Kiss my fucking ass! WTC, Flight 93, Pentagon, and an attempt on the Capitol is my response to those pissing and moaning "Abu Ghraib".

    And we didn't desicrate a Koran - that was a liberal lie.

    Meanwhile Christians get beheaded in Sharia ruled countries. You like that - that's fucking diversity and tolerance - only tolerate the enemy.
    Dhimmi go feel thyself subdued! Pay the jizra and submit to you Islamofascist overlords!

    Back to "oppression":

    I'm fucking oppressed by $3/gal gas price and fear the terrorists are going to strike again and knowing my city of birth was attacked worse than Pearl Harbor.

    They getting rich, those terrorists and their supporters while we get poor. Those high gas prices hurt US and help Them. We get poor and we get bombed with our own gas money.

    Please Bush, turn on the Texas wells. And keep up the good fight.

  183. Disable USB by welshwaterloo · · Score: 1

    Ok - so this prolly isn't enough for the DOD, but in our environment, I was able to shut down the USB services on a Win2k box with this .reg script:

    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Servi ces\USBSTOR]
    "Start"=dword:00000004

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Servi ces\USBHUB]
    "Start"=dword:00000004

    To re-enable USB, create another .reg, and change the 4's to 3s'.

    HTH

  184. Re:ATTN: Mods, this guy is a dimwit please mod dow by fufinache · · Score: 1

    "like this guys posting record here and the fact that his myspace profile says he is 19, you gotta know something is up." On behalf of the 19 year olds reading this site, I would like disagree with your prejudice comment based on ageism. Although he states only has a high school education, this does not state his experience and knowledge (or lack of) in his field. Although discriminatory generalisms can be applied for comedic references without too much negatory feedback; however, a direct discredit based solely on his age gives a reprensentation of your respect for the youth. Please refrain from this ignorant behaviour in the future. Thank you, and please enjoy your day. Just as a side note, I am not 19.

  185. There's a Secret network where I work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a Secret network where I work, and most people on here obviously have no idea what's involved. Speak to your FSO/ISSO.

  186. Inspecting Authority by SysSupport · · Score: 1, Informative
    Eventually, before the system gets cleared to process classified info, it will have to be inspected, usually by the same group of people that the information belongs to. They will have inspected such systems before, and will probably have checklists and such.

    Main things:

    If the whole room is not a vault (SCIF), the drive will have to be removable to put it in a safe, unless it is a laptop which will fit.

    Every thing containing classified data will have to be marked prominently with the highest classification on that system.

  187. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by el_womble · · Score: 1

    $3 a gallon!

    Jesus, I've just paid £0.91 for litre of fuel. Thats $1.64 for a litre, or $6.21 a gallon and its about the same all over Europe. I know you guys relate gas prices to freedom, but seriously, if going to ask for military help, maybe you could ask them to behead our government and get them to drop our fuel prices first ;)

    --
    Scared of flying, pointy things snce 1979!
  188. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >>This isn't really a conversation for the masses

    Oh dear!

    You're a bit of a cunt really, aren't you.

  189. Re:Get a Mac by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
    You forgot marking console as insecure, otherwise someone can enter single user mode with no password.

    For DoD use, I would stick with something that comes with a hardware crypto device and encrypts all access to the hard disk with a password which must be entered on boot.

    --
    I am TheRaven on Soylent News
  190. Links to the official HOWTO by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up!

    All the guy is looking for is the official howto. DISA maintains them all.

    Here it is again: http://iase.disa.mil/

    All these posts and only one AC hits it :>

    They have very detailed step-by-step guidelines for securing all kinds of boxes and OSs (including all of the administrative procedures).

    Even other sites link in to their work:
    http://csrc.nist.gov/pcig/cig.html

  191. Re:ATTN: Mods, this guy is a dimwit please mod dow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this link to another of his posts seals the suspicion in my mind:

    http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=160010&thr eshold=1&commentsort=0&tid=172&tid=4&mode=thread&p id=13395350#13395427

    "Heck, I could even be a high school student researching this for an English paper or wanting to know how to do it if I choose to go into a classified IT job."

    Socially engineered indeed. Trying to get the peoples of Slashdot to do your homework for you, good work, I guess. Though it doesn't take much to slip by the editors these days...

  192. Re:ATTN: Mods, this guy is a dimwit please mod dow by CHESTER+COPPERPOT · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "this does not state his experience and knowledge (or lack of) in his field."

    The post was in relation to the timeline. Thanks for the slippery slope argument however. The poster has just popped out of no where. He stated on a another post "I've spent a number of years now building/accrediting/auditing intelligence processing systems (READ: secure computers) and you silly little Slashdot geeks have NO idea what you're talking about when it comes to DoD red-tape."

    So he's spent a number of years building these systems at the age of 19? Not only that but he would of got his first TS clearance in his mid-teens. Ridiculous. I personally think he's either:

    1. A troll or;

    2. An actual serving member who's getting a bit too big for his britches.

    3. Some guy social engineering people.

    That's my opinion, so feel free to believe whatever you like.

  193. how to build a secure computer by Nonoche · · Score: 1

    1 - buy a Mac
    2 - plug it in
    3 - ...
    4 - profit!

    1. Re:how to build a secure computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, its easy to secure a computer that doesn't do anything, but why don't we just save the $10,000 and not have a computer in that case?

  194. Seek expert advice by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    I recommend buying one from a vendor - that way, you are assured that th emachine not only meets the physical requirements but has the paperwork/certs (if any) need to satisfy the DoD.

    Also scheck with who handles DoD security for your company - there's a lot more too it than just buying a machine - controlling access; ensuring everyone who does has the required clerance and is granted access; labeling any mdia put in it with the right classification notice (putting your jump drive in the machine means it now must be marked and treated as Secret)

    The machine is a minor cost - and bad paperwork will cause nightmares if your auditted.

    --
    I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
  195. Removable disks by stuntpope · · Score: 1

    Removable disk packs that lock into the case and can be taken out and put into a safe. Red Classified stickers on the case and the disk packs. Is there a designated security officer in your workplace you can check with? The right computer brand? I don't know how that fits in with physical security, but I've had Dell, Gateway, and Sun.

  196. A real Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's scary to see how bad these answers are. I've been securing computers for the DoD and other angenies for 5 years. The short answer is that you don't need to do much. It depends on how many people need access, is it just for one project, how is the equipment secured when not in use, etc.

    If you're doing CAD work, get a Dell Precision. If you buy the laptop version just stick the whole thing in a GSA secret approved safe when you're not using it. Otherwise with the desktop you'll need a removable hard drive. All the comments about turning off floppies and USB are stupid. You can have all of that stuff enabled...IF YOU NEED IT. When you fill in your security and IS plans you need to be able to justify what you've done.

    As a starting point to securing the OS...wipe the drive, do a clean install NOT using those Dell restore disks (they put on a 32 MB FAT partition at the begining of the HD that is unsecure), format using NTFS, install drivers, apply SP2 plus all patches, install anti-virus, disable the NIC, turn off all unneeded services, install the DoD banner (you're gov't rep should give this to you). Document EVERYTHING. Anytime you even login...keep track of who, when, and that all security precautions were taken. Logging needs to be enabled on the OS.

    Also, I hope you have a clearance, otherwise you'r enever going to use this computer again.

    Here are some links that will get you started.

    Defense Security Service (DSS)
    http://www.dss.mil/infoas/index.htm

    National Institute of Standards and Technology
    http://csrc.nist.gov/

    If you need more...email me (god help me for putting this on /. ...)
    rjhedgehog@gmail.com

    Good Luck!

  197. I heard you can get a chassis for free .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, you can get a chassis for free

  198. "Mil-spec green" equals "No brown M&Ms" by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    One thing I do remember from working on milspec projects many years ago was that our project failed an inspection because some pipe valves were black. The part number was identical to milspec, but they weren't painted milspec green.

    Perhaps they were using such small points as a nit-picky "canary" check for standards elsewhere; in much the same manner that the No Brown M&Ms clause did for Van Halen.

    --
    "Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
    1. Re:"Mil-spec green" equals "No brown M&Ms" by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately they were serious. The supplier had run out of milspec parts and shipped the black ones rather than delay the whole project.

      Everything in that simulated shipboard equipment room was built exactly the same as it would be for the ships, except for the encryption hardware. That was a dummy box because there was no need for real encryption to do our development or testing.

      Milspec is picky. I remember code changes being rejected because of spelling mistakes, and having to redo developer redlines with a ruler because it was unacceptable to just stroke things out by hand with a pen.

      --
      I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
    2. Re:"Mil-spec green" equals "No brown M&Ms" by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately they were serious.

      I didn't say that they weren't; the article I linked to makes a serious point (which might or might not be the case, but wasn't intended as a joke).

      --
      "Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
  199. There's doing it right, and then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A secure computer (by my standards, I'm not familiar with what the DoD would want but I imagine it'd be similar - would be:

    1. No networking whatsoever, if it can hook up to a second computer you have to secure that computer too, if it's online, somebody someday will crack it just out of random IP guessing (duh, just pointing out no networks of any size).

    2. Usable storage depends on this in my opinion, if your building more then one of these computers, go usable storage and be sure to make it the only writable storage (so that they can't stick in a USB stick and backup their work off the hard drive, this means the only place to store the stuff is on their or to bring in another laptop/usb reader to copy their removable storage that has all their work on). Something like 80%+ of all networks broken into come from the inside, your employees are your threat, this is increased to 100% if you have no networking capabilities, and no alibies for them either. If you are going usable storage you want to collect them everyday when they are done using them and distribute them every morning, nobody leaves without handing theirs' in. If it's one computer, you want no removable storage whatsoever, and no external ports that can transfer hard drive information. Then you want to bolt the case shut (after making sure it works and everything is tightly plugged in) so that the easiest way for someone to get into it involves a half hour with a welding torch (if you know how to pick locks you won't trust a lock/key solution) I'd water cool it just so you don't need ventilation holes, I'd be that careful (your the one demanding DoD). Remember, all your passwords, logs, and secure software mean fuck all if they can just remove the hard drive and deal with it Slaved in the comfort of their home.

    3. For one computer I'd have 2+ (redundancy issues) cameras watching the computer in a locked, secured room. For many computers I'd have no privacy walls, many cameras watching all the computers in the middle, this is so that any attempt to dismantle the computer requires the cooperation of your entire staff in the room, coups will tend to be smaller than your entire staff, and if they all want to fuck you, your probably already fucked and just haven't realized it. If you want to be dick, have a very large magnetic gateway built into the door of the room so hardrives leaving the room are wiped, or just have a metal detector, but that's an even bigger pain I think because people carry metal objects.

    4. If you do this, you won't even need a secure OS or passwords or logs or anything, because nothing but a photographic memory, or a tank is leaving that room with your information (the tank through the wall I imagine).

    5. For the anal retentive, a few feet of concrete around those walls or that radio interfering chicken wire I can't recall the name of would be even dandier, so that no items can be brought in to manually enter information, and then transmitted out of the room, because they could look innocent all day are their desk and be actually copying/transmitting information out. No windows would nice too, if you have them in said room, make sure they don't open (bolts are the duct tape of physical security, IMO).

    Honestly you don't need all this, the first three are for you really, even with all I've said I'd still use a protected Linux with full security settings. If you did all of it no superhacker, black Op, or alien ninja will manage to remove your information even if you leave it blatantly unprotected (like Windows) in your room with anything less than a hostile takeover, of the close encounter kind.

    Sincerely, SkillOverKill - wireless network "enthusiast"

  200. Buy what you need by Low+Key · · Score: 1

    The computer itself matters very little (as far as classification goes). If it will be on a network, all of the encryption will be handled by an external device. You should already know that though.

    Point being, choose the hardware based on what you need to run the programs it will be used for.

  201. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't forget. Over 80% of that £0.91 is tax, collected by our thieving incompetent Government. It would be nice if we knew where this money is going to because it is definitely not being invested in our country!!!

  202. Secret/Non-Secret by kc0re · · Score: 1

    The computers that sit on DOD classified Secret networks are no more secure than the rest of them. Probably less secure seeing as how they trust this network. The network is encrypted using hardware encryption keys. That's basically the only difference.

  203. Seriously, talk to your DOD security officer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Parent is right on almost all these points:

    CDs: Pressed Media is OK, but once it enters a classified computer it becomes classified and can not be used in an unclassified system.

    CDs: Burned Media is a NONO. A disk must be upgraded to secure, virus scanned, then moved across into the new system. That disk must be destroyed via (No idea, I take them down to the security office first) and can not be placed in any other computer.

    Typically we have our CDs disabled (snipped cable) and the microphone plugs on the sound card plugged with epoxy to prevent some really creative hacking attempts.

    It's not hard to be compliant with the rules, I just think unless you have the infrastructure to protect that computer you are asking for trouble. Remember- this is now a SECRET system, and as such you will have many problems with the federal government should you inadvertenly disclose (via theft) said computer.

    You'll also need a virus scanner and a firewall on the system, even if it's stand alone. If memory serves.

    Most computer manufacturers have contracts in place to sell certified hardware.

    Oh yeah- no opensource software if it's not approved by your dod security officer and no foriegn owned, controlled, contributed, or looked at, code can run on it. Your situatuion might be different so TALK TO YOUR DOD SECURITY OFFICER.

    I mean, it's only jail time for you if you screw up.

    1. Re:Seriously, talk to your DOD security officer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Typically we have our CDs disabled (snipped cable) and the microphone plugs on the sound card plugged with epoxy to prevent some really creative hacking attempts.

      WTF? Why not remove the CD drive and sound card? Are you making this up?

    2. Re:Seriously, talk to your DOD security officer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      WTF? Why not remove the CD drive and sound card?

      Answering as a professional paranoid lacking security clearance: to remind the user not to install such devices. Of course, it shouldn't be the microphone that's plugged with epoxy, but rather the speaker output line. As I understand it, incoming data is fine; but anything outgoing becomes classified.

      More anecdotal data: a neighboring department has one such user. (And we're all relieved we only have one such PITA system around to deal with.) She's using a Dell laptop with internal hard drive removed, modular bay bootable hard drive (ergo, no floppy or RW-optical), no built-in wireless or modem, ethernet and USB disabled in BIOS, and separate boot and admin BIOS passwords. When not in use, the hard drive is kept in a safe — top drawer of a WWII-era fireproof combination lock four-drawer file cabinet, actually, that we had left over from a portion of the Manhattan project that was based here.

      All output is dead-tree, via a parallel port printer; they ordered an odd-colored paper with a "CLASSIFIED" letterhead on it, which fills up the bottom drawer of the cabinet. I don't know if that was required, or just to make it easy to scan the office to make sure it was all locked up at the end. One of the middle cabinet drawers stores what's been printed; the last drawer stores the remains of any printout she's had to shred, for formal DOD disposal.

      Bear in mind: all of what I'm reporting is what I remember of my opposite number in that department grumbling about at a general security meeting. My recall may be wrong, and he may have been deliberately lying.

    3. Re:Seriously, talk to your DOD security officer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The paper is required because it shows the classification level (it probably says confidential and not classified) and it shows up as a very very dark sheet that is supposed to be illegible if photocopied.

    4. Re:Seriously, talk to your DOD security officer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. Just thinking about the sound-card-epoxy thing...

      It'd be a real pain if someone could bring in their iPod or something and record the digital noise created by careful playing of classified data out through the speakers :) Dunno what DoD says on that.

      Here's another thing: What if someone builds a device that can sit between the monitor and the motherboard doing middleman recording of signals over the VGA (or DVI) connectors? Hmmmmmmmmm.

  204. Sometimes you can ask /. by pointbeing · · Score: 1
    I work for a DoD agency and purchase computers for secure areas all the time.

    I'd strongly recommend you read Defense Information Security Agency's guidelines for computing in a secure environment - you can find security technical implementation guides (STIGs) at https://iase.disa.mil/ but you need to conform to the STIG on both hardware and OS configuration.

    You'll find other regulations for making machines that process classified material, but if you're looking for hardware specs it's pretty easy.

    I don't belleve Windows XP has been certified by NIST but that doesn't mean you can't use it. If you're looking for a really high security Windows box the only Microsoft OS that's certified by NIST is Win2kSP3 with the Q326886 patch. You can get the patch by looking up the KB article number (Q326886) at http://support.microsoft.com./

    Look here for more NIST information - http://niap.nist.gov/cc-scheme/vpl/vpl_type.html

    Don't take my word as gospel, look at the regs - but here it is in a nutshell:

    • Unless the box can be secured in a safe (like a laptop) it must have a removable hard drive and that hard drive must be stored in a safe when not in use.
    • No wireless. Not any. Not 802.11, not Bluetooth. Do not pass go, go not collect $200. And it can't just be disabled, the hardware cannot have the capability.
    • The machine must conform to both DISA STIGs and DoD CERT advisories.
    • No Internet connections - you can connect a classified machine to a LAN provided the *entire* LAN is accredited and contained within the security vault. No outside network connections except to SIPRNet
    Be careful and methodical - and like I said, read the regs. Don't take my word or anyone else's word for any of this stuff - it's gonna be your ass on the line if the machine doesn't conform.

    To answer your other question - machines processing classified material can have removable drives - but removable media may never leave the physical security enclave unless it's properly accounted for.

    Hope this helps -

    --
    we see things not as as they are, but as we are.
    -- anais nin
  205. secure computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in the army with signal equipment but I don't actually administer the machines. What follows is just my observations of those who do. It seems that the main way to make sure a classified computer system meets security needs is pretty simple. The computer itself isn't normally a classified device. It's the Harddrive itself. Almost all machines I've seen have an easily removable drive slot and you can use either a secret/classified drive or a regular/for official use only drive. Whenever a secret drive or computer is not in use or you don't have positive control over it, it goes in a comsec safe. You NEVER hook the machine with a secret drive up to a regular network, unsecure thumbdrive, insert unapproved CDs/DVDs, unapproved hardware or drivers etc. Normally they will have a small red box on the top of the screen that is always visible that denotes it's security classification, in case anyone decides they want to install quake or surf slashdot... Secret machines are only allowed on to DOD secure networks. It's kinda like a mini internet of just defence machines. It is generally a totally different network from the internet and they have their own news websites and such.

    It's pretty simple. If you don't want people breaking into your computer or messing with it, just make sure you are the only one to use it, and that you don't allow untrusted code or networks to access it. If you are afraid someone might forcebly steal the computer, make sure the entire drive has strong encryption. If you are afraid someone will torture you for the key... well that sucks.

  206. Get real. by Stumbles · · Score: 1

    Give me a break. You must be a friggin' idiot to be asking that question of Slashdot and expect to get answers that comply with those DOD standards. It's obvious you have no business handling such a project if you are not cognitive enough to research the appropriate DOD docs governing computer security.

    --
    My karma is not a Chameleon.
  207. You have more than one need by QuestorTapes · · Score: 1

    You have 4 distinct needs:
    1- a DoD compliant secure computer
    2- a secure environment for it
    3- verifiable evidence of correct execution of the task of purchasing or building this system.
    4- maintain the security of the system. This depends heavily on #2, and is one reason you require verifibility (#3).

    If another admin or support person after you breaches security, you need to be able to verify who did what, when.

    There are some clues in your post:

    "Growing into the job of a system administrator..."

    This indicates you have been tossed into a sysadmin position like many people, without the training and experience to do it. You've learned on the job, and are getting better. But you know there are gaps in your experience. You also know you don't know where all the gaps are. You aren't experienced enough to do something like this on your own, -and- properly document and verify its completion.

    "...I'm not quite prepared for..."

    This shows good sense.

    "The computer...must have, *from what I can tell* (emphasis mine), a removable hard drive and security stickers to prevent tampering."

    If you have to qualify statements with "from what I can tell", you aren't prepared for this. You can get assistance from a vendor or consultant, but this will always be -your- responsibility. You need to get prepared, and self-study and web research ain't gonna do it.

    Inform your bosses that you can't take on this responsibility without the additional training to handle it. Find out what you need to learn, find a school, and present the proposal.

    I have -no- experience setting up DoD secure systems, but I do set up high-security systems for businesses. I do read the DoD standards in order to be up to date. In other words, I'm better trained to do this than you, and I wouldn't try it without more training.

  208. Network is a definate no, by wiredog · · Score: 1

    Unless the entire network is classified, and unconnected to the world at large. Assuming you're in a SCIF. Otherwise, the AC reply to your post is good guidance.

  209. grammar by XO · · Score: 1

    You're = "You Are"

    Your = possessive you.

    Get it right. Please?

    Why not tell US what the specs are, and we can help you, rather than presume that we all already know DoD specifications?

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  210. USB.. by lionchild · · Score: 1

    Something to ponder: If you decide that USB is unacceptable, then you need to be very careful about your hardware selection. Particularly with a manufacturer like DELL, they are making fewer and fewer PC's with PS/2 ports for your keyboard and mouse. A large percentage are USB driven mice and keyboards. It's simply becoming cheaper to leave the PS/2 ports off and go with all USB connectivity.

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  211. security starts with the OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want a secure system don't use any version of the virus and spyware laden and inherently insecure Microsoft Windows. Use a real OS such as Linux that is secure, has a real permissions system, and is not susceptible to viruses. Another advantage is that you can easily encrypt your entire harddrive.

  212. Re:ATTN: Mods, this guy is a dimwit please mod dow by zoefff · · Score: 1

    I'd say mod him up funny! it's obviously hilarious :)

  213. stickers by PerlDudeXL · · Score: 1

    I promise to remove the security stickers before I start tampering with the computer!!!

  214. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by ray-auch · · Score: 1

    It is being invested in wars elsewhere of course.

    These wars are to protect our country from terrorist attack, locate and destroy WMDs, bring stability to the regions concerned, and lower oil prices.

    All in all, clearly a thoroughly worthwhile investment.

    PS: wanna buy a bridge ?

  215. Useful literature by innlegg · · Score: 1

    To get a overview, I would recommend this book. Not just for windows users.

  216. IBM AS/400 passes NSA tests. by happyEverGeek · · Score: 1

    I've heard that the IBM AS/400 (they call it the iSeries now) will pass NSA ratings, and that a Windows box can only pass these same ratings if it's turned off. It's a different platform, so you have several other challenges, but properly administered, it's secure. Check it out.

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  217. Building secure computers by nobody_ean · · Score: 1

    The best bet for securing a computer for the government would be to follow their "bibles". Those would be DoD Directive 8500.1 which gives a high level overview of the requirements of securing the computer, DoD Instruction 8500.2, which tells you how to implement the instructions in 8500.1. It is alot cheaper for you to do it and just takes a little time and effort. Having the vendor do it is an option, but you're still having to continuously update the machine for patches and security fixes so IMHO, knowing what's on the machine by building it yourself is easier. The DoD also puts out security scripts that are freely downloaded that check your security configuration, I'd also recommend using those tools as well as the guidelines outlined by the NSA on their web site (again, free download).

    And building a computer is one thing, you just have to remember that you have to make sure that the computer is stored in a secure facility before the government will give you permission to post any sort of classified information on it and that's a subject for another posting. Hope this helped.

    1. Re: Building Secure Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It all depends on factors such as: 1. Who (which agency) is your customer 2. At what level are you processing information (may be more than just sensitivity. There are other factors as well) And much more... The best thing to do, before you get started, is to get your CISSP certification.

  218. Some simple tips from the paranoia department. by Eternal+Annoyance · · Score: 1

    1) Forget windows (too many ppl use it, so everybody who gets access to the system can get in).
    2) No networking
    3) Log every action.
    4) No removeable media other then CD-R/W.
    5) When somebody's going to use it, they must beforehand tell what they're going to do, how they're going to do it and how long they're going to be busy. Also they're going to leave /everything/ behind what they don't need, this includes car-keys, wallet, cell-phone, etc.
    6) Put it in a safe, this is no joke (make it large enough to work in).
    7) Keep it on surveilance 24/7.
    8) It's off outside office hours, and won't go on outside office hours.
    9) Change passwords with every use.
    10) No janitors in there, you do the cleaning yourself.
    11) Only the tools needed are available to the users... Tools not needed by those users aren't even on the system.
    12) No empty sockets in the system case... No wireless thingies, no empty sockets on the main board.
    13) The safe where the thing is located is otherwise empty.
    14) Only 2 trustworthy persons have the access method (preferably some wierd keypass in combination with a code).
    15) The safe should be filled with some poisonous gas when nobody is supposed to be there (a bit to dangerous perhaps, but surely effective)
    16) The safe is controlled by the computer inside it.
    17) No printer or scanner attached to it.
    18) The computer and safe recieve their power from a UPS, which in turn is charged by the regular power grid. The UPS is on the inside of the safe.
    19) The CD-RW which has some data from the computer in question, gets destroyed the moment it isn't needed anymore (destroyed = shredded + melted).
    20) The computer in question is bolted in place and welded shut (so nobody can just pick it (or part of it) up and walk away with it).
    21) The walls of the safe should absorb EM-radiation.
    22) The walls of the safe should absorb sound.
    23) Metal detector at the entrance, which is again controlled by the computer on the inside.
    24) /You/ thoroughly check the code of all software which gets on that computer.
    25) The persons which need to get /near/ the safe need to get clearance for it.
    26) The persons working with it should be hardened against social engineering - this includes testing them for vurnability. You should do that when they least expect it.
    27) The safe is in a wierd location, and the entrance looks completely innocent.

  219. Thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There were good and informative replies to this topic.
    Thanks.
    -Russian spies.

  220. Ideas by springbox · · Score: 1

    This is probably not going to be seen, but one way to secure a system is to have it so the users can't plug stuff into it (like USB sticks) and walk away with sensitive data. Disabling or plugging the USB ports with gunk might work. Of course, that doesn't stop anyone from e-mailing themselves the same data.. Unless you want to restrict network access to a private intranet.

  221. what you need to build a secure computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    superglue. lots of it. First up, you know that little jack that goes to the usb thingie? Superglue that fucker until nothing plugs into it.

    Same for the floppy drive slot. Big gobs of superglue. More in the network card thingie.

    Its not hard to secure a computer. Heck, even though I used three or four tubes to secure my computer in a room with little ventilation, I was still able to type this post. Yeehaw!

    1. Re:what you need to build a secure computer by chucks86 · · Score: 1

      You were sniffing it too, weren't you?

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    2. Re:what you need to build a secure computer by Hurricane78 · · Score: 0

      The only problem is that big drops of superglue never drye out. Superglue is made for very very thin layers between two surfaces.

      What you need is to take a plastic lineal, cut out a guud piece, then heat the screwdriver's tip in the oven and melt the lineal-part onto the floppy-hole.

      This is how we do it here in russia!

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  222. Do it yourself and use JEDI 2.1 (seriously) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    JEDI is the Joint Enterprise DoDIIS [Department of Defense Intelligence Information System] Infrastructure. It's fully compliant with DCID 6/3 and will secure a system up to the TS/SCI certification level. It allows you to control USB ports and lock down drives (floppy and DVD) and also has security classification banners that you may customize. If you're using a Winblows AD infrastructure there are centralized event log's and items to be placed into OU's to centrally manage your JEDI systems. You can use it on any hardware platform, mine are Dell Precision 670's, and it's compatible with XP and some versions of Solaris.

    http://www.rl.af.mil/tech/programs/jedi/jedi.html

  223. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're worried about OPSEC, then you wouldn't send this kind of information to a total stranger, especially not over e-mail.

  224. YOu need to run vnc by leuk_he · · Score: 1

    Als those laptoc need to run ultra-vnc, with a password set to "slashdot" so that the collaberate efforts of all /. people can maintain the maximun security levels of the OS.

  225. Get your info from the source. by Neck_of_the_Woods · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    https://infosec.navy.mil/

    Get the stigs for you computer, and your DoD compliant. Sounds easy, it is not. But your computer will be locked down to the security needs that you will be expected to comply to.

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    1. Re:Get your info from the source. by rjw57 · · Score: 1

      I love the way the SSL cert for that site isn't trusted by Firefox.

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  226. Use a Trusted OS. by digitalrevolution · · Score: 0

    First look at the Dod recommendations for Trusted OSs.There are few, and the level of assurance (that they do what they claim) varies.
    Choose EAL4 at least. You can probably get SE Linux or Trusted Solaris.
    After you choose the OS, you'll have to pick one of the supported hardware platforms.
    Then you'll have to read up a lot about Mandatory Access Controls and Role Based Access control.
    Don't forget that once you secure one machine, you'll have to make sure anything that touches the info on it is secured too otherwise, the weakest link will surely break.
    Good luck.

  227. Stay anonymous, conservative swine! by FatSean · · Score: 1

    We on slashdot are going to use your own time-honored techniques of smear and fear on you!

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  228. Re:Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail by bhiestand · · Score: 1

    This coming from a 1337 cyberspook!?! You're just looking for more information against us, aren't you? AREN'T YOU!?

    No, no, I think 75% of the "SHHHH DON'T SAY THAT" replies were people not understanding what can and can't be discussed publicly, but I've noticed a lot of replies saying things like "Well, I'm in this agency or this branch of service, I work on this ship or this base, and this is the security procedure we have in place. Oh, and this is the type of network, PCs, physical security, etc. that we use." Now that's starting to get dangerous, since you can easily compile a large list from all of the comments...

    Other than that, I'd say your advice is even more spot-on than Jinx's. And that goes for any sort of government requirements. In manufacturing for govt projects we spent more time certifying our product, inspecting it, etc., than we actually did make it. Then, when you're dealing with stuff like this, yeah, policies and procedures, training, WRITTEN PROOF of all of the above, etc. is going to be a major pain in the ass.

    Better seek out some serious help, and I'd say probably best off finding someone who works in this field to help.

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  229. Secure computer? That's pretty hard to do... by Calyth · · Score: 1

    Well, what could you to prevent tampering.
    Disable all those that you don't need (network, usb, etc), and forgo the sticker for tampering. Most motherboards that I've bought have a header for a case open switch that will trigger an alarm. I suppose there might be specialty motherboard that upon opening the case would, at minimum, shut the computer down.
    There are special screws making case opening harder.
    No Burners.
    Run a secure OS, and that mean no Windows, no unhardened Linux or BSD. But that probably affects how well your end user can use them.
    I doubt Windows could be secure enough for DoD compliance, but obviously I don't know for sure.

  230. Secure Computing - DoD Style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My assumption would be you'll be needing to meet the NISPOM (DoD 5220.22-M) Chapter 8 requirements.

    That being the case, there are tremendously useful resources at www.aissecurity.com.

    I'd start there.

  231. I've called them, for multiple clients by arete · · Score: 1

    Here's what I've learned: Home support from anybody I've tried - Dell included - is really bad.

    Dell Small Business support answers the phone promptly and is quite helpful. Probably a half-dozen issues, all resolved great. The last was probably a year ago.

    Next-day onsite warranty support because a clients desktop CD-ROM drive was too loud. I didn't even have to go there, and I spent about 10 min on the phone total.

    I tell everybody to buy their Dell from the Small Business division - the only differences are the packages and the support. The price is usually less. Applies to refurbs too - as long as they are Small Business refurbs.

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  232. Re:Get a Mac by mattspammail · · Score: 1

    First and foremost, make sure it's in a secure location. Physical access is a quick and easy path to destruction/theft. If it's a Windows server you're talking about, a quick boot to a Linux password-resetting CD will give anyone with physical access to the server the ability to seize root... er... obtain administrator permissions. Think locked room, biometric security, at a minimum.

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  233. How about a nice big cup of STFU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After reading your post, I can't imagine this is genuine. My guess is you have some kind of nefarious intent. Please, for the love of all that is good and true if you actually have a security clearance or know something about it do NOT post and tell us all about it.

  234. Ask me ask me! by alexandreracine · · Score: 1

    To secure a machine (Windows, Linux, a toaster) you need to know everything about it. What starts when you boot, what you really need, deactivate or dont install what you dont, etc.

    So you are telling me that you can know in one week what every line of configuration file is doing in Linux? Forget it. You can't become a security expert in one week, but you can make a one year plan to learn.

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  235. Stickers aren't Security Devices, Etc by thelizman · · Score: 1

    Stickers don't "prevent" tampering. They also aren't a very good indicator - I've been defeating them since I was 15 using a hairdryer.

    I can give you all sorts of advice on how to secure a system. The best advice is to have a competent security person evaluate their individual needs. I can easily tell you how to build a fort-knox style system, but it may cost your business more money in lost productivity than it saves by preventing corporate espionage.

    Oh, and most biometric scanners are defeatable. Nothing beats a good 20 character alphanumeric password that is changed weekly.

  236. Microsoft Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll just need a computer running Microsoft Windows XP with Service Pack 2.

    Windows is really secure, after all. They have "trusted computing" and everything.

  237. Re:Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail by CyberSp00k · · Score: 1

    What can I say? My day job makes Byers look laid back. :(

    YOU will have to decide for yourself if you need to wear a tinfoil hat when I'm around. ;-)

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  238. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    WTF are you talking about? He was dead right about OPSEC. You wouldn't believe how much information I've gathered from this thread. Follow the links to peoples' websites, read their previous posts... Easy to find out where a lot of these people work. And they're posting their fucking security procedures! Now I know some of the security procedures for quite a few different companies, can narrow down the others to a few different companies.

    Hell, just the fact that his particular company just got a contract on a project like this tells me a lot. It can definitely tie into OPSEC, but basically it's a blatant security violation at the least. Not that I'm complaining, I'm eating this up.

    You have to love that engineers (techies, geeks, nerds, etc.), who just love to share information about their implementation of technology, are simultaneously one's biggest adversary and one's easiest source of information for defeating them.

    The original poster skirted an OPSEC violation, depending on how much information I can get about identifying his company or the kind of work they do, but the comments combined built quite an interesting picture.

    Anyways, back to work. Just wanted to let you know.

  239. Hey Buddy! How would you design a bank vault? by SeanAhern · · Score: 1

    I don't see a problem with it. Information on how to classify a computer is not classified.

    No, it's not. The problem isn't revealing classified information. It's relying on a public forum to try and solve an ironclad security problem. The people here have some of the expertise that you're looking for, but they're not involved in your design decisions. They don't have the knowledge of the information that needs to be protected, the use cases, physical security issues, the hardware requirements, etc. And you aren't paying them to do it, so it's not their ass on the line.

    Asking Slashdot for hints is one thing. But I hope that's as far as you're taking things. Depending on the information received would be folly. It's similar to asking random people on the street how to design a secure bank vault. You're sure to miss some very important things.

    My suggestion: Follow what this guy says about rules and regs for DoD contractors. Second suggestion: find someone else who has already done this. There has to be someone in your organization or other organizations. Don't take this on yourself. Remember, if you designed it, you're going to be held accountable for it. Be sure you're ready for that.

  240. Plug it in? by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 1

    The most secure computers are not plugged in... Steal the power cord...

    -M

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  241. Is it *IMPOSSIBLE*... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to make a commodity pc computer (i.e. Windows, x86) that will actually comply with 100% of the DoD security mandates both on paper and in actual practice.

    Wash your hands of the matter of making the system yourself and require that the computer be bought from a vendor to meet the requirements. That way when the security audit fails (and it will for sure), you can point the finger of blame at the vendor for fraud.

  242. Glue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Epoxy, rather. USB disabled from BIOS can be re-enabled from BIOS, passworded or not. Shoot a blob of epoxy into the bits you don't want accessed, but are attached to the mainboard (assuming you wouldn't rather just remove those bits entirely by desoldering and removing the sockets/ports), like USB and serial ports. If you wind up needing access to USB in the future, you could always open up the case and plug leads into the spare unused USB headers most PC motherboards have these days. I've torn off the usb ports on a motherboard with a pair of pliers in a fit of frustration, and the machine worked fine. Security through violence worked fine for me.

  243. Full Disk Encryption and Device Locks major needs by TakeArms · · Score: 1

    For starters, I suggest that you look at products like Utimaco's SafeGuard Easy (AES 256-bit full disk encryption), SecureWave's Sanctuary (for device and port securing), and Kanguru's AES 256-bit encrypted thumb drives (gaining FIPS approval currently)...

    Vendors like HP and IBM have vendor-specific technologies to protect instances of hard drives being stolen as well, but you need to use a third-party FDE (full disk encryption) to complement those products (plus the others I listed above)... those should get you started in th right direction.

    Good Luck!

  244. Secure Computing Solutions by ToAllPointsWest · · Score: 1

    I know of two vendors who make systems that fit your requirements. Hetra (in Florida) and DigitalNet (in Virginia)

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  245. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by maotx · · Score: 0

    Don't know why you were modded troll. Their is a lot of insight to your post.

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  246. You're asking the wrong people by rwhamann · · Score: 1

    If you looking for the answer to this question, ask your organizations SSO or the SSO for the org that's hiring you. Anything you do yourself is probably not going to dot the i's and cross the t's.

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  247. Hardware encryption and hardware key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.enovatech.net/

    128-bit and 192-bit AES are available.

    They even have cards to handle multiple PATA or SATA RAID channels.

  248. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Just load Windows ME or even a secure O/S like Windows 2000 on it and connect it to the Internet. It should be secure enough and we all know that no one will hack it.

  249. I've done it dozens of times by gatkinso · · Score: 1

    Go to www.dell.com. Buy a computer. Put it in a classified area. Slap a red SECRET sticker on it.

    Woe be the person who sticks uncleared media into the machine, or attaches it to an unclassified network.

    You are done.

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    1. Re:I've done it dozens of times by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      (Actually I simplify - you have to note serail numbers of various parts, and mark them as secret too (hard drives, monitors, et al). All this info is then recorded with your facility security officer.

      However the machine itself, depending on the network (you said "Secret", not "Top Secret"), can be COTS for the most part.

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  250. Suggested product for hardware based drive encrypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.enovatech.net/

    128-bit and 192-bit AES are available. Comes with 3 duplicate hardware keys. No performance degredation. Good key generation and database policies (they destroy it after making the keys).

    They even have cards to handle multiple PATA or SATA RAID channels.

  251. Read NISPOM Chapter 9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    right now. And take the NISPOM Chapter 9 course.

  252. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

    Funny that, I thought it was to make the current administrations's friends @ Exxon richer.

    Jaysyn

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  253. C2 Orange Book or Red Book? by dave-fu · · Score: 1

    If they were going for an Orange Book, or standalone, certification, it would make sense to yank the IP stack (which would sort of be needed to achieve a Red Book, or networked, certification) off of the box. Or would removing all unneeded cruft from a box be counter-intuitive when you're hardening it? If this is so, can I get some security clearance so I can play nethack on a classified box? That would be SWEET.
    Also, I thought the rumormongering consensus around here was that Microsoft "borrowed" its IP stack from the reference BSD implementation?

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    1. Re:C2 Orange Book or Red Book? by Casandro · · Score: 1

      Well that IP-Stack was, as far as I remimber, even advertised to be a BSD stack. Beeing Unix compatible was a big selling point back then.

      I think you could even get the same IP-stack for WFW 3.11 which might even have been able to do routing.

    2. Re:C2 Orange Book or Red Book? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      I know I saw the obligatory "Contains ... BSD" in my copy of original Windows95 upgrade (from win 3.11) cd.

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  254. class systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first thing you need to realise is that the system will NEVER be able to have acess to the internet in anyway. Any updates and upgrades that involve software will require your manually searching and looking for them and then applying them.

    I have recently set up a Win 2k3 server that meets the current DOD requirements and personaly the hardware is the least of your issues. setting the OS as the DOD demands and then alowing your users to still get work done is DAMN near impossible.

    Wihtout the connection to the internet over 90% of the security issues you face are gone. It then becomes an issue if ensureing that your users do not violate the polocies that the DOD has put into place. In reality your seturity/IT intergrator should be able to give you more speffic info.

  255. CYA by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

    Hey, previous post has good advice...

    You are working for the government now so Cover Your Ass. Don't do anything that doesn't have somebody assigned to be blamed. Then, find out what your higher-ups want you to say, and always echo that. If it is impossible, get some flunky who needs the cash to sign off that they guarantee it will be done to spec.

    You'll be on your way to a promising career. Remember, its not about doing good, but looking good.

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    1. Re:CYA by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's essential to cover your ass when your boss gives you an impossible assignment to cover their own ass. Cover your ass, then do your best. If you don't know who's the sucker at the poker table, then it's you. But that doesn't stop you from betting, especially now that you've ante'd up. You don't get to play your hand unless you get them to deal you the cards, and stay in the game.

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    2. Re:CYA by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I was kidding when I wrote the comment -- but your reply makes me think how, CYA is not necessarily unethical as long as you do your best.

      As I mature, I realize there are impossible situations. You have to comply every day with Human Resource regulations that are not humanly possible -- nor even desirable if you are a healthy human being. The process of CYA can result in good or bad. The good route is to get more Qualified people to assist in the Impossible Task -- not to shirk the task, because then you can't assure Best Effort. The bad way is to get unqualified people and manipulate them to take the Accountability.

      Maybe we need a discussion on the Philosophy and Morals of the CYA doctrine?

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    3. Re:CYA by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      CYA and do your best is the flipside of "trust, but verify". Russians have a saying about it that I like: "trust in god, but keep rowing for shore".

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  256. Easy Stuff by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1
    First, does your site have a Facilities Clearance? You need to visit http://www.dss.mil/isec/FCLChecklist.htm and look into the process.

    With respect to the computer specifically, really it's a lot simpler than you think. What you need is to get it certified for classified processing. What this means is finding the person who will be doing the certification and ask them what they are going to check for. Then impliment that. As a contractor facility it should be DSS who does this. A good place to start is getting your hands on a copy of the DISA Gold Disk and a copy of the Minimal Security Activity Checklists (MSACs). I also recommend patching the computer as completely as possible. Also read up on the DoD 8500 series and DIACAP.

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  257. in societ russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    buildings secure computers!

  258. Do It Yourself! by sciop101 · · Score: 0
    This will be a daunting, unforgiving, thankless, and never-ending task!

    As the sysadmin, you will be the ultimate blame for all things wrong, including, but not exclusively, security breaches, down-time, and cost overruns.

    Become Software-Agnostic. Look for the best product for the job.

    Follow all DOD guidelines (dot "i's", cross each "t".

    If one thing is possibly wrong, the entire endeavor goes under a microscope. Everything is the tip of an iceberg.

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  259. Start with overkill by gosand · · Score: 1
    One removable hard drive.
    Password protection in the BIOS.
    One CD-ROM drive, no burner
    No floppy drive
    Remove any data transfer ports (USB, serial, network). If they can't be removed, don't just disable them via software, disable them via hardware. I am sure there are lockdown mechanisms out there, but superglue and old connectors, along with tamper stickers should suffice.

    The only thing I can see that you would also need would be the ability to back up the work somehow. But you wouldn't want it to be portable to prevent unauthorized access. Maybe offline backups of the removable drive? (I assume there will be strict procedures around removing and connecting the drive, and it will be stored somewhere secure) However, if you don't have the computer networkable, and you can physically lock down the machine, it might be better to have a redundant drive system that isn't removable.

    --

    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  260. Just don`t buy dell.... they blow. by Dimitry_Sanhusky · · Score: 1

    buying a dell is like ... like... a sin. Dimitry.

  261. Classified Systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having a vendor supply the workstation isn't an issue. Install the removable drive cage onsite. Each workstation should have the appropriate labelling, and an OPI for the hard drive should be selected. The hard drive should be controlled, and stored in an approved container when not in use. In a non-operational zone, the workstations monitor should not face a hallway where people without the proper clearance, or foreign nationals can view the screen.

  262. Haven't built them, but, I've worked on them by relix · · Score: 1

    The DoD machines I worked on were standard PCs with removable hard drives, in locked rooms without network access. The doors required a passcode and logged entry and exit. When a part had to be replaced, I was monitored while I worked on the machine. When I was done, I had to answer a series of questions like:

    "What did you replace the [part]?" - "Because [part] was broken. Testing including replacing suspected bad [part] with new [part] and determining if things worked corrertly"

    "Does new contain any listening or broadcasting devices?" - "No"

    And the like. Every possible part of the machine was covered with the break-seal sticker that had to be logged when broken and replaced by yet another person. Interestingly enough the mouse had break-seal stickers as well...

    "Does this mouse contain any listening or broadcasting devices?" - "All mice are engendered by their creator with ears (listening devices) and a mouth (broadcasting device). I am unaware if now or at any time if this mouse has been a member of communist party."

    (Not sure if that comment ever made it into the log or not but the interviewer and I thought it funny.)

  263. Common Criteria evaluation by whitelabrat · · Score: 1

    Find out what the appropriate Common Criteria evaluation rating should be. For example Trusted Solaris 8 is something like EAL4. You'll also probably want the OS to support RBAC too.

  264. If you aren't a security pro, you are doomed by meme_vector · · Score: 1
    I'm sure you are a very nice person, but knowing that you are "growing into the job" of designing and managing a system with classified data on it is a very bad thing.

    Since your company seems amazingly oblivious, you can show that you deserve to be a sysAdmin by TELLING THEM IMMEDIATELY THAT YOU ARE NOT THE PERSON TO DO THIS.

    Better to tell them now, and a show you are a competent professional, than to get FIRED later for FAKING IT now.

    Security is a process. Buying and setting up a system is just one part of that process.

    Get Bruce Schneier's book, "Secrets and Lies". Read it. Then get some experienced help to build your secure system.

  265. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by maotx · · Score: 1

    This guys is a bonehead asking for advice on /. "Dear /., I want to make a secure boxen to do top secret security stuff on. How do I do it?" How about "don't tell the world you're setting up a secure box, and don't take advice from strangers. Talk to the DoD yourself!

    Welll, I bet you're fun at partys. I can make my own secure box. I have the documentation. That is not the problem. The problem is that the documents are so minimal to the requirements that we can not have an open mind on building it. I'm asking /. the pros and cons of vendors vs. building it yourself. I'm asking /. what unexpected challenges they may have come accross in setting up the machine. I'm not asking for secure information. I'm asking questions that the computer illiterate DoD person can't answer. Can you do that? Or are you to high on your horse to admit you don't know? If anything else may I recommend you try not to talk trash in situations in which you assume?

    --
    I'm a virgo and on Slashdot. Coincidence? Yes.
  266. Re:Not rocket science, but pay attention to detail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The NISPOM reference is all the rules you need. Google it or just use http://www.dss.mil/isec/nispom.pdf . Don't try to over think this. Thinking something is secure won't cut it. You have to be able to prove it to an inspector who is NOT a security researcher. They are government inspectors, think like TSA at the airport, and your cool ideas won't help them fit you into the "followed the rules" box.

  267. Re:Don't don't ask Slashdot by quarkscat · · Score: 1

    WTF! Why aren't you referencing DoD guidelines?

    No computer is ever any more secure than the environment it is placed in. Having a secure computer located in an area that is physically accessable to any/all workers, let alone the contracted night cleaning crew, is not secure. Period.

    Physical security could be as simple as using a locked room, but who has the keys (and who took a night course in locksmithing)? Keycard access in conjunction with an electronic combination lock is a step up in security. Adding some form of biometric identification (iris scan, thumbprint or voiceprint) is better still.

    What is the secured room constructed of? Chain-link, steel reinforced glass, or bullet-proof lexan walls allows retricted access to an otherwise public area. Steel rebar reinforced concrete walls, or even walls constructed of steel plate can make the room more safe-like. Radio frequency emmissions may also need to be shielded, so a fine mesh brass or copper might be required. 24 hour video recording entry and exit, along with the date & time stamp, may be a requirement.

    All of the above does not even begin to address the design of the computer itself. Are there requirements for "tempest" hardening? The computer chassis should be fitted with tamper-proof fasteners, as well as foil security tape across chassis sections. Media control requirements may mean using a removable hard drive (to go into a real safe) -- floppy drive, CDROM, DVD, or especially available USB ports might be prohibited. Any network connection might also be eliminated, or else restricted to a fiber optic subnet that is isolated, or heavily firewalled.

    Access control at the console may be restricted by the use of a keycard, password, and biometric scanner. The choice of operating systems should be limited to those that provide separate filesystem and user account security, including complete access and executable audit logging.
    (Somehow, I think this will eliminate the copy of Windows 98 that you had tucked away.) Given the limited physical or network access, Win2Kpro or WinXPpro, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Linux (with SElinux patches), or Solaris10 might be candidate OSes. That choice should be driven by the applications required (COTS, GOTS, proprietary in-house, or F/OSS).

    While this bit may give you a head start, you should rely upon established DoD security publications for guidance.

  268. Economics is part of the foundation of FOSS by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    Economics is what interferes with doing the RIGHT thing, which is giving everything away.

    Someone else commented on your ignorance of the law, I guess I'll comment on your ignorance of economics. Economic is figuring out how to take what you have and get what you want. Economics is not business, although the subject of economics is important to business, just like the subject of mathematics is important to business. Economics is part of the foundation of FOSS: How do I get the software I want? I write a small bit of it and share it with others who are doing the same. That is economics.

    If you are going to go on an anti-capitialist rant at least take some time off from the playground and go to some Communist Youth meeting. They should be able to provide you with some rudimentary knowledge so you actually understand some big words like "economics" and don't make a such fool of yourself. Or at least when you do it won't be on such a boneheaded thing.

  269. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In general, security procedures themselves are not classified. The more specific you make them, the more "sensitive" they become, but still, they tend to remain unclassified.

  270. Just Dont Plug it in. by StillNeedMoreCoffee · · Score: 2, Funny

    Done, secure computer. Well of course you need to not plug it in inside a bank vault as well. Then its secure, well unless the earth parts so don't use a Bank in California. Then there is the sun expansion that will cover the earth, so you can only set up a secure computer aggrement/expectation for a few hundred million years. By then there may be more portable solutions.

  271. Privacy! by vmfedor · · Score: 1

    The only time we'll ever be secure is when we all learn to live in a society without secrets!

    --

    I like my women how I like my sugar.. granulated.

  272. But don't you know?!?! by WCityMike · · Score: 1

    After all, information wants to be free!!!!

    (ducks eggs and tomatoes)

  273. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait, did somebody mention terrorists a few posts ago??? Huh, seems they read /.!

  274. That all well and good...BUT by 1336.5 · · Score: 0

    EMSEC is a classified policy, thus you need a security clearance to be able to obtain the document.

  275. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by Jim_Maryland · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First off, do you have a secure facility that you will work in? If so, you likely have security staff who have the specific requirements for your site. Make sure to speak with those who handle the AIS systems rather than physical security and personel security. As for asking on /., could you really rely on the information obtained here? Even if it is correct, you have to treat any information based on the source and trusting a post without knowing the source is unreliable. If you find that the DoD person you are in contact with does not have the answer, ask to speak with someone who does.

    I'm asking /. the pros and cons of vendors vs. building it yourself. I'm asking /. what unexpected challenges they may have come accross in setting up the machine.

    Standardized equipment has become pretty common place for secure deployments. Essentially your customer security representative should provide requirements for securing AIS systems as these differ from customer to customer and project to project. Generally though, this involves disabling some physical devices (external drives and ports), disabling/securing services, detailed logging, etc.... Certainly if you are required to secure hard disk, I'd recommend an enclosure that allows easy access for that, but you may not find that option in standard equipment. This may not be the case in all environments, especially if operated 24/7 but each customer may have their own requirements that you'll have to follow.

    I guess the overall message is that you really need to work with your customer rather than any public forum for the general information. My thought on the specific question for vendor vs. custom systems is that approval will likely be easier for a vendor built system but certainly a custom system can be approved for use, you may just have more security work on your hands.

  276. Secure cabinet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You would also need a secure TEMPEST cabinet.

  277. encripted vm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Run a virtual machine (eg. vm ware) and encript its representation (i.e. files). Etc...

  278. clearcube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    try looking at clearcube.com --- various people who are very concerned about security install these systems; lock down the terminals and keep the backroom secure. You still need the physical security for the terminal's etc., but it simplifies some of the other stuff. Of course, if you're just doing one, maybe its not worth it.

  279. So what'cha gonna keep on it? Huh? Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on, you know you want to tell. You are dying to give us the secrets....

  280. Sloppy thinking is sloppy thinking. by mirful · · Score: 0

    Really, is this the kind of task that a business would trust to a person who does not know the difference between "you're" and "your?" And, yes, I know I'll probably get reamed for asking this.

  281. Re:ATTN: Mods, this guy is a dimwit please mod dow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    In the Art world when a piece of Art has a past where the time record has some glitches in it (Read: unaccountable) it is automatically considered a fraud.

    Huh?

    In the real art world, when a forgery has been hanging on the wall of a museum long enough, it's considered genuine.

  282. You need an SSO!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Networks are OK, as long as they're confined to the computers in the closed environment, the computers are all cleared for the same projects, and the network has absolutely no links out to an unclassified network. The fact that the company has asked you to figure something out could mean one of two things:

    1. The company is really clueless and has no idea what's involved in doing classified computing.
    2. Your company already has an SSO but nobody bothered to tell you about it.

    The NISPOM is your Bible here, but you shouldn't be trying to follow it. It's a full-time job. One of the jobs of an SSO is often to oversee management of closed areas, which are, as the parent said, basically human-sized safes, and are the only places that classified computing may occur. If your company isn't set up do classified computing already, and you don't have an SSO, then you've been given a task that you can't possibly perform in two weeks, and probably can't correctly perform at all without a lot of help and support (including your company hiring people who do classified computing professionally, or sending you out for lots and lots of training).

    (Posting anonymously on purpose, but not from fear of you guys...other reasons.)

    1. Re:You need an SSO!!! by budgenator · · Score: 1

      The company is really clueless and has no idea what's involved in doing classified computing.

      I suspect soon they'll understand why they got the low bid! This will most likely cost them a bunch.

      I once "lost" a SECRET document, that resulted in 3 weeks of holy hell. Luckily I found it in the bottom of the filing cabinet inside the security vault safe and sound. That seemed to satisfy ASA, but it didn't have to unaccounted for is bad, even if it's unaccounted for inside a secure container. The poster shouldn't bullshit around, personally contact real official experts, else you'll be hearing a second click after you hang up the telephone and people following you.

      --
      Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
  283. Start with Your ISSM and The DOD Guidelines by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

    First, get a network admin who know something about security and dealing with classified IT systems (someone asking for advice on slashdot using a yahoo account doesn't qualify). Seriously - go talk to your ISSM/ISSO/CIO, that's what they are there for. Do you really trust this collection of boobs to give you advice that won't land your ass in jail or get your security clearance yanked for stupidity?

    Next, if your ISSM/ISSO/CIO is the usual non-technical pencil pusher and doesn't have the proper resources or knowledge, head over to DISA, specifically DISA STIGS for implementation guides and hardening tools. Also talk to the OADR and project owner to make sure there are no requirements above the DOD minimums such as Tempest or additional physical security requirements.

  284. DITSCAP... by kiphat · · Score: 1

    As stated earlier, DoD requires their servers to be DITSCAP'd. The process costs at least $50K, takes about six months, and needs to be performed by an official who represents the requesting branch of the Government. I don't think that's what your looking for but it is a starting point. It's one thing to be DITSCAP certified, it's another the be DITSCAP compliant. check out http://www.nist.govand do a search for DITSCAP. You'll find all the relevant information there.

  285. From another DoD SysAdmin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I'm a DoD sysadmin myself, have been for years.

    Pay attention to all the posts that tell you to turn to DoD for these answers, and not Slashdot. Depending on where you fall within DoD or the IC, different policies apply. Your boss' requirement to have the Tech Guy go "figure this out" is the wrong approach- start with your security office, and tell your boss to be prepared to wait many moons.

  286. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  287. Well, this submission was timely... by Mark+of+THE+CITY · · Score: 1

    I'm doing contract work at Rockwell Collins, and saw this in the twice-weekly press release email they send out. It could be the ultimate solution to the security issue:

    "NSA Gives Certification on MicroProcessor -- Rockwell Collins has received National Security Agency (NSA) certification for its Advanced Architecture MicroProcessor 7 Government Version (AAMP7G), a Multiple Independent Levels of Security (MILS) device for use in cryptographic applications

    "The AAMP7G MILS certification represents a significant milestone for our programmable cryptographic engine development efforts and strengthens Rockwell Collins' credentials in the Information Assurance market segments," said Bruce King, vice president and general manager of Communication Systems for Rockwell Collins.

    "The AAMP7G provides MILS capability through its unique micro-architecture, which employs a secure hardware-based separation kernel. It offers a more capable solution that is smaller, uses less power and is more cost effective than current crypto devices.

    "The AAMP7G is capable of simultaneously processing the full spectrum of information from unclassified through top secret codeword information. It will be used in the multi-channel, MILS-capable, programmable crypto engine currently being developed by Rockwell Collins.

    "The NSA currently is evaluating the programmable crypto engine for Type-1 certification. This next generation programmable crypto engine will address the Department of Defense's (DOD) Crypto Modernization efforts to support future secure communication, navigation and data link capability for the warfighter."

    --
    The clearance system sounds logical. It is not. It is completely arbitrary. -- John Bolton
  288. Don't forget the OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You should consider OS level security in addition to hardware. I once worked as an intern for a place called Argus Systems Group http://www.argus-systems.com/ which modifies the Solaris kernel to conform to government standards. I'm sure there are probably several other similar vendors out there.

  289. Re:ATTN: Mods, this guy is a dimwit please mod dow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice use of nonexistent evidence, CHESTER TROLLBOT. Do you work in the White House?

  290. Re:Don't ask Slashdot, ask an SSO/SSR/IAM/ISSO/IAS by syousef · · Score: 1

    Welll, I bet you're fun at partys.

    I am actually...but...Well I bet you're bad at insults.

    I'm asking questions that the computer illiterate DoD person can't answer.

    You're talking to the wrong person at the DoD then.

    Or are you to high on your horse to admit you don't know? If anything else may I recommend you try not to talk trash in situations in which you assume?

    I freely admit I don't know. No high horse there. But I do understand the basic concept of a SECRET. You don't seem to understand that informing the world you have something of value to secure is not the best way to begin, and that you've made your system less secure from the get go by opening your mouth about it. I DO understand what a secret is. My assessment still stands.

    --
    These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
  291. Re:Get a Mac by Nermal6693 · · Score: 1

    I believe that disabling CD booting (via Open Firmware) also prevents single-user startup. It certainly prevents the use of safe mode.

  292. DoD specs are not the same a hacker security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As many here have mentioned, you need to follow the DoD standards (http://www.dss.mil./

    You need inspection and approval of your location and systems.

    Your systems need to be audited (see the standards) on a regular basis.

    Your systems need to be physically secured. This especially applies to any rewritable media.

    If something needs to be removed from the secure area, you need to ensure any classified data is no longer on it. This includes CRTs, eprom, ram, disks, floppies, CDs. For example, a CRT must be powered off for 24 hours before it's judged safe to be removed from the secured areas. You can't connect to external networks once it's classified.

    People must be cleared and briefed on a need to know basis to access.

    Everything must be documented and reviewed. This means all hardware, OS, all software (including patches) must be inventoried. Updates and patches may need approval before being installed.

    As far as computer security,

    telnet is allowed, rsh is allowed. sniffers are disallowed. Only the sysadmin (ISSO/M, gotta read my docs) is allowed to use sniffers if it's needed. SSH is not required, etc, etc. All software brought into the secure environment must be installed by the sysadmin.

    Remember, there's no connection to other networks. Users are not supposed to be installing software.

    It's up to the manager of the secured area to ensure that procedures are followed. I've heard of them being fired when inspections were failed.

  293. Its not the comptuer that is secure by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Its the policies.

    Keep it off the net, and enforce secure usage polices.

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  294. Secure Computers????? Not any Windows! by cmwade77 · · Score: 1

    Most secure CAD software: AutoCAD (I am a drafter by profession, I should know) Allows to set passwords, as well as publishing certificates.

    How to make the entire system secure:

    Run MAC OS X on a Intel based motherboard (plenty of sites telling you how to do this).

    In order to run AutoCAD you would need either Virtual PC, a copy of windows or running Wine using the fact that MAC can run Linux and Unix based software (the last is indeed the most secure, esp. if you set permissions for each folder and file in addition to the passwords).

    Use one of the thumbprint mice (or other devices), that makes it impossible to even turn on the computer without the right finger print.

    Also you a "removeable media key" these come in many shapes and sizes, basically you have to plug it in before the compuer can turn on, I would recommend putting it on a flash drive.

    Yes, of course a removeable hard drive and tamper proof stickers (although they really aren't tamper proof in most cases).

    Now if that wouldn't meet with DOD standards, there's a problem, basically no one but you would be able to even turn the computer on, let alone access the files.

  295. Get the vender to do it. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    It may save some bucks in the short term to make it yourself. But if a security breach does happen (Because governmental guidelines rarely do anything useful) then you have the vender to pass or share the blame, vs. Doing it yourself and when there is a problem you are responsible. So unless you want to get fired from your job or prevent future promotion, I would suggest you get a vender to do it. Any saving of doing it yourself isn't worth the risk of you owning the computers, and being responsible for them.

    --
    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  296. Cheap and Compliant with DOD by ricksmith · · Score: 1

    This is based on types of classified systems I've worked on myself, and more than a little experience dealing with computer security requirements. It sounds like your first problem is to identify equipment, so focus on that for now. Procedural things, like the handling of CDs and USB drives, can be left to work out with the Defense Security Service, or whoever it is who ends up certifying your setup.

    Here's the easiest thing to do:

    Buy a laptop and a printer that are small enough to fit in file cabinet drawers.

    Do NOT tell the vendor that the device is for classified processing!!

    If you need a large screen, you should be able to leave that outside the file cabinet and just hook it up when you take out the laptop. It doesn't have to be anything special, assuming it's LCD. Ditto for separate keyboard and mouse, but DO NOT use a wireless KB or mouse! If you need extra hard drive space, be sure there's room for an external HD in the cabinet.

    Now, of course this file cabinet has to be a GSA approved container for Secret information.

    I doubt that the DSS will allow you to leave a generic PC out unprotected even if it has a removable hard drive. The laptop is more likely to be approved.

    Ultimately the right thing to do is set up a "closed" area where the equipment can sit out. That's a secured room with an approved combination lock or other approved lock. Then when you have to take a break you don't have to shut everything down, load it into the safe, and lock it up.

    Plan for the laptop near term if there's a deadline to get started, but be sure your boss understands how important it will be to set up a closed area. Developers will spend half their time booting, shutting down, and assembling their workstations.

    Good luck.

  297. Wrong forum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the WRONG PLACE to get details on computer or network security. Find a company that does computer security for DOD or the like for a living, get your facts there. What you need, I think, is not only a secure computer but a secure environment and set of procedures, documented rules, to protect both the computer and environment, and to help detect situations that do not conform to those prescribed in the procedures. What you are asking for is not trivial.

  298. CISSP to isle 9... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a CISSP to help you design the system and the setting for the system. Make sure that individual includes, as part of due care, studies of folks with similar systems.

    The bottom line, I fear, is that your management needs to sign off on what they believe is secret. Without management buy-in, you have nothing but alot of dollars wasted.

    Think less about the system as a whole and more about the setting it's in, and the access to it. Secure systems can run Windows, as long as that is noted in the company policy and accounted for in the access controls.

  299. newpath4 dot com protective shell by newpath4comVersion2 · · Score: 0

    Just make my entire website http://www.newpath4.com/ as a TSR shell (Terminate-and-Stay-Resident) where any Internet Visitors seeking their information first has to read all my 186 pages TO GET TO THEIR STUFF. hahahahahahahahaha Yep, that should just about take care of that... Plus what the other guy said about the DoD small door situation. UNBEATABLE.

  300. Split your hard drive by themulletman · · Score: 1

    Can the iMac hard drive be split so it can run both iMac and Dell software?