Current laws are ineffective, let's make different laws
Besides which, do you have a better idea? Or do we just continue with the textbook definition of 'insanity' by repeating the same things over and over again ad infinitum, expecting a different outcome? People clearly won't leave their gods-be-damned phones alone when they're driving, law or no law, so obviously we've got to get tougher on them. Oh, and don't even bother saying 'enforce the current laws better' because that also clearly isn't working either. The only viable alternative at this point in time is to make it absolutely crystal-clear that you do NOT use a phone while you're driving, at all, ever, and if you or anyone else doesn't like the fact that your 'rights' are being violated, then go pound on the jackasses who wouldn't be responsible with their phones in the first place, not me or anyone else who is demanding these jackasses be stopped from creating unnecessary safety hazards because they won't get off Facebook, Candy Crush, Pokemon Go, or whatever it is that's got their eyes glued to their phone instead of paying attention to the road.
Your phone can be on it a car without you interacting with it.
Then why is everyone having so much trouble with this??? You can continue to stick your head in the sand all you want but it won't make the problem go away. There's laws and penalties in place already and they have done no good whatsoever to stop the problem, so apparently more draconian measures need to be implemented. Maybe if we force people to not have turned-on phones in their cars, it'll reduce traffic fatalities enough that the self-driving car fanatics will stop trying to push for them to be mandatory!
Require all phones to be able to be turned completely 'OFF', and require them all by law to be 'OFF' when the driver is driving. Phones in the back seat in the posession of a passenger are exempted. Cop finds you alone in your car with a phone turned on, you get a ticket, no excuses.
Yeah sure thing Chinese government, because terrorists and other 'bad guys' never had any way of organizing before the advent of the Internet. What a load of horse shit!
Also, the Internet is all to blame for fake news stories, because no one ever in Human history since the invention of 'news' has ever misreported anything, or made shit up to sway public opinion, either. Of course the Chinese government never indulges in fake news or propaganda themselves, now do they? {/sarcasm}
Oh and just a reminder: Anyone that busts out with "America is no better" should have the person next to them slap the shit out of them for saying it, and shills for the Chinese government can just keep their mouths shut and hands off their keyboards, we don't give a damn what you have to say, you're blindingly obvious, so don't even bother.
Then people will be "chipped" immediately after birth.
Yeah sure, even the Bible Belt whackos won't go for that, because it's too much like having the 'sign of the beast' or whatever the hell it is tattooed onto you.
The problem is that most IoT devices rely on a centralised server for their operation
..and once again, 'The Cloud' is proven to be a large part of the problem. Why not a service running on a computer on the local network instead? Honestly, how many people are going to have 'IoT' devices all through their homes and not have at least one general-purpose computer around, too?
All you LEOs, all you DAs, all you politicians, all the way up to POTUS? You can go fuck yourselves. We don't want to live in a world where only the rich, powerful, and the government are the only ones entitled to keep their data safe. We don't give a flying fuck about your obsessive-compulsive need to see everything, know everything, and control everything; go take your meds, go call your therapist, go take a time-out somewhere cool dark and quiet, but get the hell out of our phones, out of our computers, out of our lives! You are not making us 'safe', all you're doing is feeding your own hunger for power, and we're sick and tired of it. STOP!!!
Gee, all that angry-sounding commenting might have been relevant if I had ever said anything whatsoever about the U.S. government or U.S.-based corporations, but I didn't now did I? By all means, go right ahead and keep embarassing yourself though by attempting to redirect the subject of the conversation away from Russia.
It doesn't. It's probably a type of Placebo Effect:
Pet lives with humans. Humans are the Bringers of All Things Good (food, toys, belly rubs, scritches, warmth, companionship); anything the Human does must be a good thing. Pet doesn't feel well; doesn't understand why or how, just doesn't feel well. Human does 'something' that doesn't really fit the pattern of other Things the Human does -- but since Humans are the Bringers of All Things Good, then this Thing must also be Good. Via the magic of Placebo Effect, Pet feels better.
..or something like that. They still can't figure out how it is that people's dogs know they're on the way home to them, even when they're completely isolated from any evidence or indication that they're on the way home, either.
Next time just cut a small square of duct tape and put that over it. Take it off about a week later, wart will be gone. Proven to work. Costs you almost nothing, and zero if you had a roll of duct tape around already.
This is just one more example of the technological imperialism of Microsoft, and one more reason to never use it. What's next? Are they going to disallow Firefox and Chrome from being installed or executed?
The real issue here is censorship and control. Russia, like many countries, wants the ability to censor and control the Internet, and like all such countries, finds that they can't pass laws to do that because the Internet isn't always inside their borders. Therefore they want to force all companies accessible over the Internet within Russia to be physically present within Russia proper, so that if they decide they want to censor them, rifle through their stored data, or shut them down completely, they only have to send armed personnel to the physical location and make it so. It starts with sites like Linkedin. Once Linkedin caves in and complies, then precedent is set to force all other websites to do the same, or be prevented from being accessible in Russia. This naturally would have a chilling effect on freedom of expression, free speech, and the exchange of information between individuals. Remember that Russian media is State-controlled; they want the Internet (all of it, ideally) to be State-controlled, too. Does Russia have a right to do this? Yes; whether it's right or wrong is a matter of personal philosophy and personal opinion. In my opinion, it's wrong. You'd have to poll the Russian citizenry to know whether or not they think it's right or wrong -- but chances are your poll would be censored by the Russian government, and if you were in Russia at the time, you'd likely be detained because of it (how dare you question the government!).
Just to make myself 100% clear: I do not, and am not, and will not, 'demonize' Russian citizens; I do however very much question the actions of Vladimir Putin and the Russian government.
I don't have a lawn, they're old-fashioned and wasteful. I let it die and seeded it with clover, drought-tolerant, requires no maintenance, don't even have to mow it if you don't want to, and it supports the bee population. xDDDDDD
Face it: Modern computers are more like an appliance than they are anything fun anymore. You can't build them from a bare PCB up from component parts, you can't repair PCBs without $15000 worth of hot-air rework equipment, you can't get schematics for them, and so much of them is locked-down because of 'intellectual property'. Runnung Linux alleviates the problem somewhat, though, at least with Linux you can have as bare-bones or as fancy an OS as you want; it's 100% hackable.
The original COSMAC ELF, which was the first computer I ever built (that I spoke of in a previous comment), had no high-level language of any kind, and everything had to be entered via toggle switches in binary, and anything you wrote for it had to be written with paper-and-pencil and worked out in your head. Unlike something like the IMSAI 8080 I had later, you couldn't even specify an address you wanted to go to in RAM, you had to enter everything from 0x0000 in sequence -- which meant that if you made a mistake, you had to go back to the beginning, step through memory up to that point, then continue entering the code properly.
That was when computers were still fun. Now they're just work, and politics, and an annoyance. A 6Mhz Z80B processor, 64kB RAM, CP/M 2.2, and a C compiler were the height of the fun. Kinda all started going downhill from there.
'Snapped-together components'? You're thinking of something else. The thing was built like a tank, and weighed as much, too There were damned few plastic parts in it, everything else was either steel or brass.Only the top cover parts, really, were plastic.
Sure, the one I had, had paper tape punch and reader, and I used it all the time; you had to write your own I/O routines for the BASIC interpreter, and I loaded them off paper tape every time I wanted to write something in BASIC. I did have to manually enter a 'bootloader', though, to read the I/O routines off the paper tape through the serial port and write them to RAM. I had no access to an EPROM programmer so no putting them in silicon instead.
You couldn't enter lower-case characters from the keyboard, so you couldn't punch them to paper tape to upload to Slashdot; you'd have to have written it elsewhere, then printed it on the TTY with the tape punch turned on, to get lower case on paper tape. You must be thinking of using a VDT with lower-case capability. If you were lucky, the lower-case even had descenders on-screen.;-)
No you didn't; I owned one of those, way back in the day (was connected to the much-upgraded COSMAC ELF microcomputer trainer, that I added 8KB of static RAM to, a serial interface, and 2KB integer BASIC in 2708 EPROMs. A Model 33ASR Teletype was uppercase-only, at a blazing 10cps. Fully electro-mechanical, the keyboard had a 1-key rollover, so if you were a good typist, you'd have pressure on the next key before the TTY had finished transmitting the last one over the 20-milliamp current-loop interface.
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the world 'theory'. The reason the sciences work, is everything can be challenged, and everything is potentially refutable -- even by the scientist who asserted it in the first place. If anything, I have more respect for someone who can say "I was wrong".
I said that's what I'd like to see -- I never said I thought it would happen. For that to happen, hearts and minds have to change, on a grand scale, so that people are thinking far into the future, and people are not thinking about short-term profits, or really about money at all. Also, try to get Joe and Jane average, with their 2.5 kids, 30 year mortgage, two car payments, plus all their other monthly expenses, plus thinking about their retirement accounts, to give a rats ass about anything happening even in LEO, let alone on the Moon; it's just not happening. That's just in 1st World countries; in non-first-world countries, people are occupied with day-to-day survival. Also, overall, the vast majority of people don't even really understand any of this 'space stuff', and many of those think it's just a waste of money. That all is really what we're up against on ideas like permanent off-world colonies.
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If he gets his way: Enjoy your next iPhone costing $3000.
Current laws are ineffective, let's make different laws
Besides which, do you have a better idea? Or do we just continue with the textbook definition of 'insanity' by repeating the same things over and over again ad infinitum, expecting a different outcome? People clearly won't leave their gods-be-damned phones alone when they're driving, law or no law, so obviously we've got to get tougher on them. Oh, and don't even bother saying 'enforce the current laws better' because that also clearly isn't working either. The only viable alternative at this point in time is to make it absolutely crystal-clear that you do NOT use a phone while you're driving, at all, ever, and if you or anyone else doesn't like the fact that your 'rights' are being violated, then go pound on the jackasses who wouldn't be responsible with their phones in the first place, not me or anyone else who is demanding these jackasses be stopped from creating unnecessary safety hazards because they won't get off Facebook, Candy Crush, Pokemon Go, or whatever it is that's got their eyes glued to their phone instead of paying attention to the road.
Your phone can be on it a car without you interacting with it.
Then why is everyone having so much trouble with this??? You can continue to stick your head in the sand all you want but it won't make the problem go away. There's laws and penalties in place already and they have done no good whatsoever to stop the problem, so apparently more draconian measures need to be implemented. Maybe if we force people to not have turned-on phones in their cars, it'll reduce traffic fatalities enough that the self-driving car fanatics will stop trying to push for them to be mandatory!
Require all phones to be able to be turned completely 'OFF', and require them all by law to be 'OFF' when the driver is driving. Phones in the back seat in the posession of a passenger are exempted. Cop finds you alone in your car with a phone turned on, you get a ticket, no excuses.
Yeah sure thing Chinese government, because terrorists and other 'bad guys' never had any way of organizing before the advent of the Internet. What a load of horse shit!
Also, the Internet is all to blame for fake news stories, because no one ever in Human history since the invention of 'news' has ever misreported anything, or made shit up to sway public opinion, either. Of course the Chinese government never indulges in fake news or propaganda themselves, now do they? {/sarcasm}
Oh and just a reminder: Anyone that busts out with "America is no better" should have the person next to them slap the shit out of them for saying it, and shills for the Chinese government can just keep their mouths shut and hands off their keyboards, we don't give a damn what you have to say, you're blindingly obvious, so don't even bother.
Then people will be "chipped" immediately after birth.
Yeah sure, even the Bible Belt whackos won't go for that, because it's too much like having the 'sign of the beast' or whatever the hell it is tattooed onto you.
The problem is that most IoT devices rely on a centralised server for their operation
..and once again, 'The Cloud' is proven to be a large part of the problem. Why not a service running on a computer on the local network instead? Honestly, how many people are going to have 'IoT' devices all through their homes and not have at least one general-purpose computer around, too?
All you LEOs, all you DAs, all you politicians, all the way up to POTUS? You can go fuck yourselves. We don't want to live in a world where only the rich, powerful, and the government are the only ones entitled to keep their data safe. We don't give a flying fuck about your obsessive-compulsive need to see everything, know everything, and control everything; go take your meds, go call your therapist, go take a time-out somewhere cool dark and quiet, but get the hell out of our phones, out of our computers, out of our lives! You are not making us 'safe', all you're doing is feeding your own hunger for power, and we're sick and tired of it. STOP!!!
Gee, all that angry-sounding commenting might have been relevant if I had ever said anything whatsoever about the U.S. government or U.S.-based corporations, but I didn't now did I? By all means, go right ahead and keep embarassing yourself though by attempting to redirect the subject of the conversation away from Russia.
Pet lives with humans. Humans are the Bringers of All Things Good (food, toys, belly rubs, scritches, warmth, companionship); anything the Human does must be a good thing. Pet doesn't feel well; doesn't understand why or how, just doesn't feel well. Human does 'something' that doesn't really fit the pattern of other Things the Human does -- but since Humans are the Bringers of All Things Good, then this Thing must also be Good. Via the magic of Placebo Effect, Pet feels better.
..or something like that. They still can't figure out how it is that people's dogs know they're on the way home to them, even when they're completely isolated from any evidence or indication that they're on the way home, either.
Next time just cut a small square of duct tape and put that over it. Take it off about a week later, wart will be gone. Proven to work. Costs you almost nothing, and zero if you had a roll of duct tape around already.
This is just one more example of the technological imperialism of Microsoft, and one more reason to never use it. What's next? Are they going to disallow Firefox and Chrome from being installed or executed?
The real issue here is censorship and control. Russia, like many countries, wants the ability to censor and control the Internet, and like all such countries, finds that they can't pass laws to do that because the Internet isn't always inside their borders. Therefore they want to force all companies accessible over the Internet within Russia to be physically present within Russia proper, so that if they decide they want to censor them, rifle through their stored data, or shut them down completely, they only have to send armed personnel to the physical location and make it so. It starts with sites like Linkedin. Once Linkedin caves in and complies, then precedent is set to force all other websites to do the same, or be prevented from being accessible in Russia. This naturally would have a chilling effect on freedom of expression, free speech, and the exchange of information between individuals. Remember that Russian media is State-controlled; they want the Internet (all of it, ideally) to be State-controlled, too. Does Russia have a right to do this? Yes; whether it's right or wrong is a matter of personal philosophy and personal opinion. In my opinion, it's wrong. You'd have to poll the Russian citizenry to know whether or not they think it's right or wrong -- but chances are your poll would be censored by the Russian government, and if you were in Russia at the time, you'd likely be detained because of it (how dare you question the government!).
Just to make myself 100% clear: I do not, and am not, and will not, 'demonize' Russian citizens; I do however very much question the actions of Vladimir Putin and the Russian government.
I don't have a lawn, they're old-fashioned and wasteful. I let it die and seeded it with clover, drought-tolerant, requires no maintenance, don't even have to mow it if you don't want to, and it supports the bee population. xDDDDDD
Face it: Modern computers are more like an appliance than they are anything fun anymore. You can't build them from a bare PCB up from component parts, you can't repair PCBs without $15000 worth of hot-air rework equipment, you can't get schematics for them, and so much of them is locked-down because of 'intellectual property'. Runnung Linux alleviates the problem somewhat, though, at least with Linux you can have as bare-bones or as fancy an OS as you want; it's 100% hackable.
The original COSMAC ELF, which was the first computer I ever built (that I spoke of in a previous comment), had no high-level language of any kind, and everything had to be entered via toggle switches in binary, and anything you wrote for it had to be written with paper-and-pencil and worked out in your head. Unlike something like the IMSAI 8080 I had later, you couldn't even specify an address you wanted to go to in RAM, you had to enter everything from 0x0000 in sequence -- which meant that if you made a mistake, you had to go back to the beginning, step through memory up to that point, then continue entering the code properly.
That was when computers were still fun. Now they're just work, and politics, and an annoyance. A 6Mhz Z80B processor, 64kB RAM, CP/M 2.2, and a C compiler were the height of the fun. Kinda all started going downhill from there.
'Snapped-together components'? You're thinking of something else. The thing was built like a tank, and weighed as much, too There were damned few plastic parts in it, everything else was either steel or brass.Only the top cover parts, really, were plastic.
Sure, the one I had, had paper tape punch and reader, and I used it all the time; you had to write your own I/O routines for the BASIC interpreter, and I loaded them off paper tape every time I wanted to write something in BASIC. I did have to manually enter a 'bootloader', though, to read the I/O routines off the paper tape through the serial port and write them to RAM. I had no access to an EPROM programmer so no putting them in silicon instead.
;-)
You couldn't enter lower-case characters from the keyboard, so you couldn't punch them to paper tape to upload to Slashdot; you'd have to have written it elsewhere, then printed it on the TTY with the tape punch turned on, to get lower case on paper tape. You must be thinking of using a VDT with lower-case capability. If you were lucky, the lower-case even had descenders on-screen.
Sent from my ASR33 using ASCII
No you didn't; I owned one of those, way back in the day (was connected to the much-upgraded COSMAC ELF microcomputer trainer, that I added 8KB of static RAM to, a serial interface, and 2KB integer BASIC in 2708 EPROMs. A Model 33ASR Teletype was uppercase-only, at a blazing 10cps. Fully electro-mechanical, the keyboard had a 1-key rollover, so if you were a good typist, you'd have pressure on the next key before the TTY had finished transmitting the last one over the 20-milliamp current-loop interface.
I disagree about 'surveillance', I think that's just another symptom of our 'immaturity', as you put it.
Give 'em a million years or so, and perhaps this debate will be held by Beavers, on a Beaver-created version of the Internet. Until then, we're it.
I thought satellite Internet was one of the worst options available? Most expensive, least performance?
Call me when the overall curve is heading downhill.
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the world 'theory'.
The reason the sciences work, is everything can be challenged, and everything is potentially refutable -- even by the scientist who asserted it in the first place. If anything, I have more respect for someone who can say "I was wrong".
I said that's what I'd like to see -- I never said I thought it would happen. For that to happen, hearts and minds have to change, on a grand scale, so that people are thinking far into the future, and people are not thinking about short-term profits, or really about money at all. Also, try to get Joe and Jane average, with their 2.5 kids, 30 year mortgage, two car payments, plus all their other monthly expenses, plus thinking about their retirement accounts, to give a rats ass about anything happening even in LEO, let alone on the Moon; it's just not happening. That's just in 1st World countries; in non-first-world countries, people are occupied with day-to-day survival. Also, overall, the vast majority of people don't even really understand any of this 'space stuff', and many of those think it's just a waste of money. That all is really what we're up against on ideas like permanent off-world colonies.