Yes libertarians are VERY consistent. What I am saying is that the Cato institute ISN'T Libertarian. They CLAIM, they are Libertarian, but they aren't. There views coincide, but ultimately Cato is another right wing shill.
FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!!! When it comes from tens of thousands of libertarian minded people. OK. When it comes in huge chunks from CEOs and PACS, it's not Libertarian. People who amass that type of wealth (like the Koch family) aren't interested in any liberty beyond their own.
I always enjoy reading these kinds of posts because it shows how little many people understand of faith and of God. To those of faith every aspect of life as we know it evidence of God's existance:
* That we exist. For motion to exist there must be a prime mover.
Then what created god? And what created the thing that created god?......
If god is capable of popping into existence, then so can the universe.
* The sophistication of life and nature. * Beauty and ugliness.
Sophistication and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Intelligence cannot be gauged with dice as if it was some unlikely statistic. Without intelligence, you would be unable to gauge the nature of your existence. It is a self fullfilling prophecy.
The probability of natural creation of intelligence for intelligent creatures created by natural forces is 100%.
* Serendipidous events that often determine our situation in life.
How come anytime anything good happens some bible thumper thanks god. When anything BAD happens, they don't CURSE god.
Is it just remotely possible that the universe is REALLY big, you are REALLY small, and god really doesn't give a shit about every fucking moment in your narcassistic life???
The universal dice of natural law can produce both good and bad effects. Perhaps there is gods ability to intervene without being detected.
At the same time, you must take the good with the bad. If you get a good job and thats god's blessing, fine. But if you get cancer six months later, that must mean that god is punishing you by the same reasoning.
Regarding global warming????
If the unprecedented production of CO2 in the history of the world is to blame, then perhaps we can cut back a bit. Singnificant global warming will put our costal cities under water and could potentially turn the breadbasket of America into a dustbowl. On the good side, it wouldn't be so fucking cold in Canada.
The issue is what is the risk of harm that we are doing. What can we do to mitigate the potential harm???
Theocratic types have done it for a long time in order to "lower" science to their level.
Basically, they've caved on the idea that faith is the bellweather. In their world scientists have a faith, and religious types have a faith. They are all the same, except one comes from god;-)
BTW, this isn't to say that faith in the supernatural is foolish. Though, faith in the natural is foolish.
There is another freak out there who believes oil is produced deep within the crust.
Check out "The Deep Hot Bioshpere" by Thomas Gold.
I think he's a loon, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Of course, everyone knows it's easier to get psuedo-science past a literary agent than a peer reviewed journal.
There is a principle of precaution here. Basically, if you do things to the earth that will take 300 year to undo, you'd better be DAMM sure that they aren't harmful.
The industrialists point of view is... FUCK THE PLANET, I WANT MY MONEY.
Doing things green isn't BAD for the economy. It's GOOD for the economy. Doing things in a green, sustainable way involves more jobs and better distribution of wealth.
There are two ways of thinking here.
Industrialist: I am going to emit millions of tons of waste into the environment. Until a scientist proves beyond the shadow of any conceivable doubt that any one of those substances in isolation is harmful, I will continue doing it. If there is a problem, then government will clean it up. I have no responsibility for my messes.
Environmentalist: If you emit thousands of tons of waste to the environment it should be benign and non-reactent in nature. If it is reactent, then YOU the polluter need to determine if it's harmful or not. If it is harmful, then YOU are responsible for nuetralizing your waste as part of a production cost, not GOVERNMENT.
The perfect example is mercury. We are emitting thousands of tons of it into the atmosphere every year. The Bush administration has nixed new standards that would have forced power producers to scrub there smokestacks. They've also re-opened lands to mercury miners.
Mercury poisoning is popping up everywhere in latent levels. It's now suspected as a factor in severe autism, alzheimers and high incidences of ADD.
The bitch is we KNOW what it does to the human brain in large quantities. Ever hear of the Mad Hatter????? It's not make believe. It's based on real incidences of individuals going nuts from working with mercury solutions to process felt for hats. The question is how small a dosage results in a negative effect????
The environmentalist (and myself) would say
WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT DOSAGE????????
This stuff is toxic, it breaks the blood brain barrier down. It turns into an organic version within the human body that is difficult to eliminate. Why are you hung up about dosage???? It's fucking bad shit.
Won't it be so incredibly ironic if mercury is a major factor in Alzheimers. The great hero of conservaties (Ronald Reagan) will have been stricken down with his own ignorance and recklessness.
For all you who believe mercury is fairly harmless. Please feel free to crack open a couple thermometers and boil the shit. Vaporize it and spread it evenly throughout your abode. Breath deeply and feel confident that there is no ABSOLUTE proof that it causes damage in latent levels.
They call themselves "libertarian" but don't let that fool you. It's just a smoke screen. Republicans like to wrap themselves up in "libertarian" idealism when it suits them.
BTW, the Cato institute was founded with money from the Koch family. These are the greasiest, slimiest assholes in America.
Here is a nice lineup of all the major conservative thinktanks.
It's so nice that Putin is putting his potential rivals in jail, isn't it?????
True, American democracy is starting to slump again due to mega-corporate influence and media conglomeratization. However, When George Bush throws Howard Dean in jail, then I'll believe we have gotten as bad as Russia.
SCO just keeps getting funnier every day. I've stopped being angry and have chalked it all up to entertainment.
The fact that they are now claiming copyrights on HEADER FILES is the ultimate testament to the weakness of their cases.
I mean, how could one re-engineer APIs without replicating headers. If Linux is in violation, than BSD must be in violation as well. They should be suing Apple.
Thank you. But you see, India DOESN'T NEED America to spread wealth around. They don't need America to reach higher levels of employment.
You describe a system in which a very, very few wealthy people control most of the wealth. Their only need for the poor is increasing their own wealth. There is no need to bargain for labor because there is an INFINITE supply.
America has gone through various stages of this. We are approaching it once again. The solution wasn't "FOREIGN INVESTMENT" or other shit like that. It was works programs, minimum wage and effectively squeezing the rich of their ill gotten gains through the people's institution... GOVERNMENT.
I heard other people describe the lack of infrastructure in India like roads and bridges. Well, build roads and bridges. That creates jobs. Who pays for it????? Well, who has the money??? The wealthy.
I have no idea about the exact nature of Indian democracy. How much access do people REALLY have? What types of impediments are put in place for keeping poor people from voting (like poll taxes, literacy tests, other Jim Crow shit).
But the PEOPLE can take that back. They CAN take the power. We have done it here in America more than once. Many people died and lost their lives for the freedom and prosperity that America enjoys. Giving it away to foreign slave masters won't help me and it won't help India either.
The poor get the scraps from the table of the rich. So therefore, we must further gluttonize the rich in order to feed the poor. Right????
I think thats bullshit. And if thats the case, than Indian's need to fight for their political and ecnomic freedoms. I'll be happy to lend you a rifle, but not the freedom and prosperity that was bought and paid for with the blood of American patriots.
The problem isn't that rich don't have enough scraps. The problem is that the people who are the MOST dependent on other peoples labor are taking all the reward.
We here in America are once again letting our freedoms slip. We will have a political fight on our hands in the coming years. Our trade policies WILL change.
In India and China, you likely have a fight as well. But likely your fight will be paid with blood instead of ballots. That is your fight, not mine. America cannot free a country that doesn't wish it (witness Korea, Vietnam and Iraq).
The prosperity of the third world is largely in it's own hands. The best thing that America can do is INSIST on only trading with democratic countries with high standards of labor protection, and political access.
We have done great harm in Latin America. Even now our media is waging war against Hugo Chavez and democracy in Venezuela. I DO feel some responsibility when America actively inteferes against Democracy. But even then, strong democracy is the solution, not outsourcing to the masters of serfs.
It's a bunch of shit. It's not "efficiency", it's exploitation.
I'm sorry you live in a nation with no real freedom. If you have no real freedom, you have no rights to organize for better working and living conditions. Americans didn't cause that problem (at least not in China. Central and South American.. yes).
I can see all the Chinese people out there saying... Oh we have freedom. Yes, we just have certain limitations. The government, they are looking out for us. Why do we need to vote. Smarter people are looking out for our well being.
You want freedom... Watch this.
PRESIDENT BUSH IS AN ASSHOLE!!!!!!! HE'S A NAZI!!!! HE'S IMMATURE!!!!! HE HAS LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC POLICY!!!! EFFECTIVELY, HE'S A SPOILED RICH BOY WHO EPITOMIZES EVERYTHING THAT FOREIGNERS THINK IS WRONG WITH AMERICA!!!!!!
No one will come to my door and threaten me because of this (though I will get some nasty responses). Oh well. It really won't hurt me.
Now here is my challenge, under the same name "aCC", say the same thing about Wen Jiabao. Say Wen Jiabao is a fucking asshole. Say he is a robber baron stealing money from the masses. Oooh, even better. Say the same thing about Mao Zedung!!!! Say Mao Zedung was a feeble minded idiotic hypocrite.
See thats the difference. I can accuse my leaders of being murderers and thieves and no one will arrest me. The only thing I can't do is threaten the president's life. For good reason, we don't have to kill the president to bring about political change. We only need fire him at the ballot box.
Americans have fought for our freedoms again and again. This is the right of relative prosperity. I would be happy to lend you a rifle to depose your autocracy. I am not willing to lend you my prosperity at the price of my own freedom.
If you cannot choose your leaders, you are a slave. You are one of 1.5 billion. Prosperity is the side effect of relative equality. America isn't perfect, but it is one of the best so far. I'd rather be black in America than in China PERIOD!!!!!
I don't think that US prosperity has ANYTHING to do with children starving in India. The policies of INDIA have everything to do with it. The level of equality in India effects whether kids will starve.
In the US, we have social programs that gaurantee that those down and out will NOT starve.
Yes, US agribusiness IS very harmful to foreign farmers. At the same time, cheap food IS available from the US. India only need purchase the food from it's IT gains. Correct?????
Somehow I think the problem is that the ruling elite in India could give a shit less about poor people starving.
Deep down, I think every country should be largely self-sufficient. We should only trade in goods and services that aren't available domestically.
Because Indian firms are now outsourcing to China. India has a weak democracy this is what makes Indians poor.
China has NO Democracy. They have no rights to organize. Forget all that red communist party shit. Thats all gone. It was only a pretense to begin with. China is a corporate monster with 1.5 Billion slaves at it's disposal.
Neither Indians nor Americans can compete with slave labor.
It isn't inevitable. In fact, it's quite contrived. It's a conspiracy of the wealthy against the poor.
They are moving jobs from people who have political and social rights to people who do not. Freedom is the big difference. The freedom to organize and the freedom to vote on labor, health, and environmental standards.
Out of a population of 1 billion, 300 million = absolutely, wretchedly poor with barely enough to eat
Only an American could confuse class with wealth. As an American it's extemely unlikely that you know anything about anywhere beyond your own borders so I must assume you're thinking that "India" is short for "Indiana", but on that basis, I think your comments are pretty much dead on.
As a citizen of Indiana, I can assure you that we don't have 1 billion citizens. I can also assure that virtually every Hoosier is well fed. In America, poor people are fat. It comes from democracy.
Stop laying there on your collective asses and do something about it. Contact your congress critter in your home state and bitch until ledgislation so that state and federal contracts can't be giving to companies that outsource overseas.
Unless you write your letter on the back of a $500 check, it won't do any good. They are better paid by lobbyists.
Let me ask you a question. Why would your average Indian PhD rather live in the US than in India. Why do most of the Indians who come to the US rather stay HERE than go back?????
Yes, they are paid more here than in India. But at the same time, cost of living is far less in India, correct.
Why do so many people want to live in the United States. At the same time, why do they think Americans are so stupid and lazy?????
You forget to point out that these aren't poor kids from poor countries. These are RICH kids from poor countries. They are being subsidized to study. They don't have to pay their own bills.
So please have pity on the American kids taking out loans and working two jobs to pay for their education. Heaven forbid they want to:
1) Pay off their loans. 2) Get practical domain level experience in industry.
The concept was that low-skilled jobs were going overseas and we Americans would "upgrade".
well it turns out that it was just a ruse. Exactly what "new skills" are you talking about. They are currently out-sourcing and importing every conceivable skill except politician and CEO.
Equilibrium ???? What a bunch of horse shit. It turns out that you can train slaves just as well as you can train the free peoples of the world. We should already have known this from the Soviet era.
Do you think for one second that the force educated Chinese will have any real bargaining power for their position in society??? Do you think that the political elite there will EVER give up their power and domination of the system???
Likewise, do you ever think that the outsourced call centers of India will ever be unionized. Once they train EVEN more people to answer the phone, do you think their wages will increase or decrease????
Did you know that Indian companies are now outsourcing to China because people there have even LESS freedom and opportunity than people in India?????
As it turns out, the amount that your paid has little to do with your skills or actual contribution. It has everything to do with your negotiating power. When some thug is pointing an AK-47 at you, your bargaining power is NIL!!!!!
We are steadily marching towards a new feudalism that will destroy eliminate democracy by making it irrelevant. My ability to vote will mean NOTHING if I have to wait in line with thousands for an opportunity to merely GIVE away my skills an labor.
You are smug now. Eventually, feudalism will discard you as well. When there are only a few winners and everyone else is a loser, you will likely not survive unless your a CEO already.
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Yes libertarians are VERY consistent. What I am saying is that the Cato institute ISN'T Libertarian. They CLAIM, they are Libertarian, but they aren't. There views coincide, but ultimately Cato is another right wing shill.
FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!!! When it comes from tens of thousands of libertarian minded people. OK. When it comes in huge chunks from CEOs and PACS, it's not Libertarian. People who amass that type of wealth (like the Koch family) aren't interested in any liberty beyond their own.
I always enjoy reading these kinds of posts because it shows how little many people understand of faith and of God. To those of faith every aspect of life as we know it evidence of God's existance:
... ...
* That we exist. For motion to exist there must be a prime mover.
Then what created god? And what created the thing that created god?
If god is capable of popping into existence, then so can the universe.
* The sophistication of life and nature.
* Beauty and ugliness.
Sophistication and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Intelligence cannot be gauged with dice as if it was some unlikely statistic. Without intelligence, you would be unable to gauge the nature of your existence. It is a self fullfilling prophecy.
The probability of natural creation of intelligence for intelligent creatures created by natural forces is 100%.
* Serendipidous events that often determine our situation in life.
How come anytime anything good happens some bible thumper thanks god. When anything BAD happens, they don't CURSE god.
Is it just remotely possible that the universe is REALLY big, you are REALLY small, and god really doesn't give a shit about every fucking moment in your narcassistic life???
The universal dice of natural law can produce both good and bad effects. Perhaps there is gods ability to intervene without being detected.
At the same time, you must take the good with the bad. If you get a good job and thats god's blessing, fine. But if you get cancer six months later, that must mean that god is punishing you by the same reasoning.
Regarding global warming????
If the unprecedented production of CO2 in the history of the world is to blame, then perhaps we can cut back a bit. Singnificant global warming will put our costal cities under water and could potentially turn the breadbasket of America into a dustbowl. On the good side, it wouldn't be so fucking cold in Canada.
The issue is what is the risk of harm that we are doing. What can we do to mitigate the potential harm???
Theocratic types have done it for a long time in order to "lower" science to their level.
;-)
Basically, they've caved on the idea that faith is the bellweather. In their world scientists have a faith, and religious types have a faith. They are all the same, except one comes from god
BTW, this isn't to say that faith in the supernatural is foolish. Though, faith in the natural is foolish.
There is another freak out there who believes oil is produced deep within the crust.
Check out "The Deep Hot Bioshpere" by Thomas Gold.
I think he's a loon, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Of course, everyone knows it's easier to get psuedo-science past a literary agent than a peer reviewed journal.
There is a principle of precaution here. Basically, if you do things to the earth that will take 300 year to undo, you'd better be DAMM sure that they aren't harmful.
... FUCK THE PLANET, I WANT MY MONEY.
The industrialists point of view is
Doing things green isn't BAD for the economy. It's GOOD for the economy. Doing things in a green, sustainable way involves more jobs and better distribution of wealth.
There are two ways of thinking here.
Industrialist:
I am going to emit millions of tons of waste into the environment. Until a scientist proves beyond the shadow of any conceivable doubt that any one of those substances in isolation is harmful, I will continue doing it. If there is a problem, then government will clean it up. I have no responsibility for my messes.
Environmentalist:
If you emit thousands of tons of waste to the environment it should be benign and non-reactent in nature. If it is reactent, then YOU the polluter need to determine if it's harmful or not. If it is harmful, then YOU are responsible for nuetralizing your waste as part of a production cost, not GOVERNMENT.
The perfect example is mercury. We are emitting thousands of tons of it into the atmosphere every year. The Bush administration has nixed new standards that would have forced power producers to scrub there smokestacks. They've also re-opened lands to mercury miners.
Mercury poisoning is popping up everywhere in latent levels. It's now suspected as a factor in severe autism, alzheimers and high incidences of ADD.
The bitch is we KNOW what it does to the human brain in large quantities. Ever hear of the Mad Hatter????? It's not make believe. It's based on real incidences of individuals going nuts from working with mercury solutions to process felt for hats. The question is how small a dosage results in a negative effect????
The environmentalist (and myself) would say
WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT DOSAGE????????
This stuff is toxic, it breaks the blood brain barrier down. It turns into an organic version within the human body that is difficult to eliminate. Why are you hung up about dosage???? It's fucking bad shit.
Won't it be so incredibly ironic if mercury is a major factor in Alzheimers. The great hero of conservaties (Ronald Reagan) will have been stricken down with his own ignorance and recklessness.
For all you who believe mercury is fairly harmless. Please feel free to crack open a couple thermometers and boil the shit. Vaporize it and spread it evenly throughout your abode. Breath deeply and feel confident that there is no ABSOLUTE proof that it causes damage in latent levels.
Sure,
And the mega-media outlets controlled by CEO fat cats who give big money to Republicans is "left-wing biased".
Just because Rush Limbaugh says something 20 thousand times, it doesn't make it true.
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That's the funnies thing I've read all week.
They call themselves "libertarian" but don't let that fool you. It's just a smoke screen. Republicans like to wrap themselves up in "libertarian" idealism when it suits them.
BTW, the Cato institute was founded with money from the Koch family. These are the greasiest, slimiest assholes in America.
Here is a nice lineup of all the major conservative thinktanks.
Right Wing Groups
I see this as a move to put the iPod in the ideal form factor. Eventually, the current size iPods should go away.
Hopefully, Apple will finally realize that there is something that can replace that form factor. A PDA!!!!!!
Base it on Pocket Linux, give it a snazzy GUI, a iPod(ish) form factor and call it a PocketMac.
It's so nice that Putin is putting his potential rivals in jail, isn't it?????
True, American democracy is starting to slump again due to mega-corporate influence and media conglomeratization. However, When George Bush throws Howard Dean in jail, then I'll believe we have gotten as bad as Russia.
SCO just keeps getting funnier every day. I've stopped being angry and have chalked it all up to entertainment.
The fact that they are now claiming copyrights on HEADER FILES is the ultimate testament to the weakness of their cases.
I mean, how could one re-engineer APIs without replicating headers. If Linux is in violation, than BSD must be in violation as well. They should be suing Apple.
If Americans live in a prison, it is of our own making. Collectively, we voted for Bush (kinda). That was our choice.
Do Russians truly have a choice in whether Putin is in power or not?????
Thank you. But you see, India DOESN'T NEED America to spread wealth around. They don't need America to reach higher levels of employment.
... GOVERNMENT.
You describe a system in which a very, very few wealthy people control most of the wealth. Their only need for the poor is increasing their own wealth. There is no need to bargain for labor because there is an INFINITE supply.
America has gone through various stages of this. We are approaching it once again. The solution wasn't "FOREIGN INVESTMENT" or other shit like that. It was works programs, minimum wage and effectively squeezing the rich of their ill gotten gains through the people's institution
I heard other people describe the lack of infrastructure in India like roads and bridges. Well, build roads and bridges. That creates jobs. Who pays for it????? Well, who has the money??? The wealthy.
I have no idea about the exact nature of Indian democracy. How much access do people REALLY have? What types of impediments are put in place for keeping poor people from voting (like poll taxes, literacy tests, other Jim Crow shit).
But the PEOPLE can take that back. They CAN take the power. We have done it here in America more than once. Many people died and lost their lives for the freedom and prosperity that America enjoys. Giving it away to foreign slave masters won't help me and it won't help India either.
The poor get the scraps from the table of the rich. So therefore, we must further gluttonize the rich in order to feed the poor. Right????
I think thats bullshit. And if thats the case, than Indian's need to fight for their political and ecnomic freedoms. I'll be happy to lend you a rifle, but not the freedom and prosperity that was bought and paid for with the blood of American patriots.
The problem isn't that rich don't have enough scraps. The problem is that the people who are the MOST dependent on other peoples labor are taking all the reward.
We here in America are once again letting our freedoms slip. We will have a political fight on our hands in the coming years. Our trade policies WILL change.
In India and China, you likely have a fight as well. But likely your fight will be paid with blood instead of ballots. That is your fight, not mine. America cannot free a country that doesn't wish it (witness Korea, Vietnam and Iraq).
The prosperity of the third world is largely in it's own hands. The best thing that America can do is INSIST on only trading with democratic countries with high standards of labor protection, and political access.
We have done great harm in Latin America. Even now our media is waging war against Hugo Chavez and democracy in Venezuela. I DO feel some responsibility when America actively inteferes against Democracy. But even then, strong democracy is the solution, not outsourcing to the masters of serfs.
When efficiency means
... More output
... Cheap output
.. yes).
... Oh we have freedom. Yes, we just have certain limitations. The government, they are looking out for us. Why do we need to vote. Smarter people are looking out for our well being.
... Watch this.
Same level of input
I'm fine with it.
When it means
Really cheap input
It's a bunch of shit. It's not "efficiency", it's exploitation.
I'm sorry you live in a nation with no real freedom. If you have no real freedom, you have no rights to organize for better working and living conditions. Americans didn't cause that problem (at least not in China. Central and South American
I can see all the Chinese people out there saying
You want freedom
PRESIDENT BUSH IS AN ASSHOLE!!!!!!! HE'S A NAZI!!!! HE'S IMMATURE!!!!! HE HAS LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC POLICY!!!! EFFECTIVELY, HE'S A SPOILED RICH BOY WHO EPITOMIZES EVERYTHING THAT FOREIGNERS THINK IS WRONG WITH AMERICA!!!!!!
No one will come to my door and threaten me because of this (though I will get some nasty responses). Oh well. It really won't hurt me.
Now here is my challenge, under the same name "aCC", say the same thing about Wen Jiabao. Say Wen Jiabao is a fucking asshole. Say he is a robber baron stealing money from the masses. Oooh, even better. Say the same thing about Mao Zedung!!!! Say Mao Zedung was a feeble minded idiotic hypocrite.
See thats the difference. I can accuse my leaders of being murderers and thieves and no one will arrest me. The only thing I can't do is threaten the president's life. For good reason, we don't have to kill the president to bring about political change. We only need fire him at the ballot box.
Americans have fought for our freedoms again and again. This is the right of relative prosperity. I would be happy to lend you a rifle to depose your autocracy. I am not willing to lend you my prosperity at the price of my own freedom.
If you cannot choose your leaders, you are a slave. You are one of 1.5 billion. Prosperity is the side effect of relative equality. America isn't perfect, but it is one of the best so far. I'd rather be black in America than in China PERIOD!!!!!
I don't think that US prosperity has ANYTHING to do with children starving in India. The policies of INDIA have everything to do with it. The level of equality in India effects whether kids will starve.
In the US, we have social programs that gaurantee that those down and out will NOT starve.
Yes, US agribusiness IS very harmful to foreign farmers. At the same time, cheap food IS available from the US. India only need purchase the food from it's IT gains. Correct?????
Somehow I think the problem is that the ruling elite in India could give a shit less about poor people starving.
Deep down, I think every country should be largely self-sufficient. We should only trade in goods and services that aren't available domestically.
No, it won't.
Because Indian firms are now outsourcing to China. India has a weak democracy this is what makes Indians poor.
China has NO Democracy. They have no rights to organize. Forget all that red communist party shit. Thats all gone. It was only a pretense to begin with. China is a corporate monster with 1.5 Billion slaves at it's disposal.
Neither Indians nor Americans can compete with slave labor.
Because it is an inevitable fact of modern life
It isn't inevitable. In fact, it's quite contrived. It's a conspiracy of the wealthy against the poor.
They are moving jobs from people who have political and social rights to people who do not. Freedom is the big difference. The freedom to organize and the freedom to vote on labor, health, and environmental standards.
Out of a population of 1 billion, 300 million = absolutely, wretchedly poor with barely enough to eat
Only an American could confuse class with wealth. As an American it's extemely unlikely that you know anything about anywhere beyond your own borders so I must assume you're thinking that "India" is short for "Indiana", but on that basis, I think your comments are pretty much dead on.
As a citizen of Indiana, I can assure you that we don't have 1 billion citizens. I can also assure that virtually every Hoosier is well fed. In America, poor people are fat. It comes from democracy.
We fight for freedom better. Pretty much everyone in China is a slave of the state.
India has a democracy the same way Mexico has a democracy.
With E-Voting, America is going the way of Mexico.
Stop laying there on your collective asses and do something about it. Contact your congress critter in your home state and bitch until ledgislation so that state and federal contracts can't be giving to companies that outsource overseas.
Unless you write your letter on the back of a $500 check, it won't do any good. They are better paid by lobbyists.
The job of Senator will never be offshored. I guess there is little chance of them speaking up soon.
As an Indian.
Let me ask you a question. Why would your average Indian PhD rather live in the US than in India. Why do most of the Indians who come to the US rather stay HERE than go back?????
Yes, they are paid more here than in India. But at the same time, cost of living is far less in India, correct.
Why do so many people want to live in the United States. At the same time, why do they think Americans are so stupid and lazy?????
It's always the millionaires who think outsourcing working stiffs is a good idea.
You forget to point out that these aren't poor kids from poor countries. These are RICH kids from poor countries. They are being subsidized to study. They don't have to pay their own bills.
So please have pity on the American kids taking out loans and working two jobs to pay for their education. Heaven forbid they want to:
1) Pay off their loans.
2) Get practical domain level experience in industry.
Thank you Chairman Mugatoo!!!!
BULL SHIT!!!!!
The concept was that low-skilled jobs were going overseas and we Americans would "upgrade".
well it turns out that it was just a ruse. Exactly what "new skills" are you talking about. They are currently out-sourcing and importing every conceivable skill except politician and CEO.
Equilibrium ???? What a bunch of horse shit. It turns out that you can train slaves just as well as you can train the free peoples of the world. We should already have known this from the Soviet era.
Do you think for one second that the force educated Chinese will have any real bargaining power for their position in society??? Do you think that the political elite there will EVER give up their power and domination of the system???
Likewise, do you ever think that the outsourced call centers of India will ever be unionized. Once they train EVEN more people to answer the phone, do you think their wages will increase or decrease????
Did you know that Indian companies are now outsourcing to China because people there have even LESS freedom and opportunity than people in India?????
As it turns out, the amount that your paid has little to do with your skills or actual contribution. It has everything to do with your negotiating power. When some thug is pointing an AK-47 at you, your bargaining power is NIL!!!!!
We are steadily marching towards a new feudalism that will destroy eliminate democracy by making it irrelevant. My ability to vote will mean NOTHING if I have to wait in line with thousands for an opportunity to merely GIVE away my skills an labor.
You are smug now. Eventually, feudalism will discard you as well. When there are only a few winners and everyone else is a loser, you will likely not survive unless your a CEO already.