I expected higher FF usage, but this is what awstats tells us.
These are June numbers for a charity webiste whose membership skews older (40-70) than the average web user. There's probably a vast gulf between what techie websites get and what others get.
So take any browser numbers with a huge cube of salt.
Reporting and ad hoc querying is where Access really shines. Yanking data into it from Excel (or real RDBMSes) is trivially easy. Plus, you can't hit a dead cat without hitting *somebody* who can build the reports. Bring in an Access guy and be done with it.
Or a really lazy one. Look at their site, why can't I flag an obvious scammer without opening their ad. The herbalife guys trying to post in the jobs board are obvious spam. Why make it hard to flag them?
>And Microsoft's entire business model is monopoly based.
Which explains SQL Server's success, since Windows has always enjoyed a monopoly on back end data servers.
Get real: their business model is about delivering good enough software cheap enough to capture the huge middle of the market. Need more than MySQL and less than Oracle? They will sell you MSSQL. More features than MySQL, less than Oracle. More expensive than MySQL, cheaper than Oracle.
And, last time I checked, MS had a positive balance sheet, not that the Google fanboys would understand how to search the internet for one. Or indeed, understand the difference between a cash flow statement and a balance sheet.
Holy crap. Moving them from Access to Excel is a good thing? Are you nuts? If you don't like rogue Access apps, the solution is to offer a better solution, not ban the technology that comes closest to solving their problems.
Assuming there aren't internal resources, get some broad guidelines for those rogue people and better yet, cultivate a stable of smart outsiders who can be the "approved" rogue IT for when business people bypass IT and do their own thing using Access. If you are going to have rogues, have good rogues.
A relational db is one thing, a document collaboration tool is another. If it is a MS Office environment, get someone who knows Sharepoint to come out and show you and one of your power users what it can do. You can even buy/build modular web parts if your document needs are out of the ordinary.
You'll need MSSQL on the backend, so that solves your "bigger than Access" problem right there. These tools dominate their markets for a reason.
Are you aware that 70% of telephones in Africa are mobiles? Narrow bandwith, lots of drops...Not exactly well suited to the needs of always-on AJAXy goodness.
Never mind the fact that 1 in 50 have even *dialup*, and you have to be goofy to think that "the network is the computer" makes any sense at all in infrastructure poor societies.
But I guess pointing that out just makes me a racist.
The question is: is it worth abandoning the RAD benefits of VB (or.NET for that matter) to pick up that last 6-10% of the market? Or, if it is a business app, that last 2-4% of the market? In a lot of cases, it just isn't worth it.
Lay off the bong hits kid. Grownups understand that they aren't supposed to be torrenting all day on the boss's network connection. Anyone who quits because they won't be allowed to torrent porn all day does the boss a favor.
Just FYI, you don't have to use the letters. The Windows server world is moving away from the concept, using "Windows Distributed File System", part of which is more sensible names for shares.
Still, since they have a Novell backend, that isn't going to help this guy.
>What possible reason could anybody have for defending Microsoft unless they're on the payroll? Here's 3: Because we find the slashbots' misinformed, knee jerk, MS bashing tedious? Because we find that often, their tools are a good solution for our problems? Because we aren't interested in fighting the Linux Jihad?
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I use our internal portal from Firefox. No troubles.
But don't let total ignorance of the product stop you from bashing it. This is, after all, Slashdot.
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Security: You can grant privs on the sproc and not on the underlying table.
Testability: You can test your sproc separate from your application logic.
DB roundtrips: Need to update ten tables? Do it in a sproc and call it in 1 step as opposed to 10 steps.
It is also a great model for extending one's monopoly in one area (search and per click advertising) into another (payment processing).
Here's some more:
MSIE 87.4
Firefox: 8.5
Netscape: 1.2
Others: 2.8
I expected higher FF usage, but this is what awstats tells us.
These are June numbers for a charity webiste whose membership skews older (40-70) than the average web user. There's probably a vast gulf between what techie websites get and what others get.
So take any browser numbers with a huge cube of salt.
PHP is VB for Unix Weenies: fast, cheap, and sloppy. It is possible to write good code in php, it just isn't common.
Reporting and ad hoc querying is where Access really shines. Yanking data into it from Excel (or real RDBMSes) is trivially easy. Plus, you can't hit a dead cat without hitting *somebody* who can build the reports. Bring in an Access guy and be done with it.
Man. I just wish i had thought of it: customers who don't know better, minimally skilled cheap labor, kickbacks from Best Buy...what's not to like?
Somehow "Head Blogger" just doesn't conjure up boardroom clout.
Or a really lazy one. Look at their site, why can't I flag an obvious scammer without opening their ad. The herbalife guys trying to post in the jobs board are obvious spam. Why make it hard to flag them?
>6) Linux continues to step by step become the de facto choice for computing companies to base their hardware on
Which explains the ease of finding Linux drivers and the near impossiblity of finding them for Windows.
Oh, wait, on this planet things are the other way around.
>And Microsoft's entire business model is monopoly based.
Which explains SQL Server's success, since Windows has always enjoyed a monopoly on back end data servers.
Get real: their business model is about delivering good enough software cheap enough to capture the huge middle of the market. Need more than MySQL and less than Oracle? They will sell you MSSQL. More features than MySQL, less than Oracle. More expensive than MySQL, cheaper than Oracle.
And, last time I checked, MS had a positive balance sheet, not that the Google fanboys would understand how to search the internet for one. Or indeed, understand the difference between a cash flow statement and a balance sheet.
Holy crap. Moving them from Access to Excel is a good thing? Are you nuts? If you don't like rogue Access apps, the solution is to offer a better solution, not ban the technology that comes closest to solving their problems.
Assuming there aren't internal resources, get some broad guidelines for those rogue people and better yet, cultivate a stable of smart outsiders who can be the "approved" rogue IT for when business people bypass IT and do their own thing using Access. If you are going to have rogues, have good rogues.
A relational db is one thing, a document collaboration tool is another. If it is a MS Office environment, get someone who knows Sharepoint to come out and show you and one of your power users what it can do. You can even buy/build modular web parts if your document needs are out of the ordinary.
You'll need MSSQL on the backend, so that solves your "bigger than Access" problem right there. These tools dominate their markets for a reason.
We keep that kind of thing in our company's list of "programming practices punishable by death." right below magic numbers.
>this smells of once again abusing their monopoly in OS to extend their control of new markets at the expense of fair competition.
.NET--which is going from Java wanabee to very robust platform.
How? The IIS revival is driven by
If they are gaining on LAMP, it is because they are offering a more useful product than PHP/Apache.
>Ever heard of the Turion 64 X2?
No. And that is part of the problem.
>your comment reeks of rascism and patronage.
Are you aware that 70% of telephones in Africa are mobiles? Narrow bandwith, lots of drops...Not exactly well suited to the needs of always-on AJAXy goodness.
Never mind the fact that 1 in 50 have even *dialup*, and you have to be goofy to think that "the network is the computer" makes any sense at all in infrastructure poor societies.
But I guess pointing that out just makes me a racist.
Idiot.
No kidding. The real question is why anyone tried to recover a compromised system.
>rolls out to the developing world , they will be a perfect thin client for these applications.
Sure, for all those rural Africans using broadband.
Exactly.
What is the problem with keeping specs in Sharepoint and code in SVN?
Sharepoint is really good at tracking/merging Word docs. SNV is really good at tracking/merging text files. Why not use both?
The question is: is it worth abandoning the RAD benefits of VB (or .NET for that matter) to pick up that last 6-10% of the market? Or, if it is a business app, that last 2-4% of the market? In a lot of cases, it just isn't worth it.
>You're going to be waiting a long time for that "new DLL" that implements Vista Look'n'Feel for VB6.
Hang on, I thought there was nothing new in Vista. I'm confused.
>fascist?
Lay off the bong hits kid. Grownups understand that they aren't supposed to be torrenting all day on the boss's network connection. Anyone who quits because they won't be allowed to torrent porn all day does the boss a favor.
Just FYI, you don't have to use the letters. The Windows server world is moving away from the concept, using "Windows Distributed File System", part of which is more sensible names for shares.
Still, since they have a Novell backend, that isn't going to help this guy.
>What possible reason could anybody have for defending Microsoft unless they're on the payroll?
Here's 3:
Because we find the slashbots' misinformed, knee jerk, MS bashing tedious?
Because we find that often, their tools are a good solution for our problems?
Because we aren't interested in fighting the Linux Jihad?
I use our internal portal from Firefox. No troubles.
But don't let total ignorance of the product stop you from bashing it. This is, after all, Slashdot.