A JRE is installed with the apps, and they have start scripts that setup they're own environment in the running shell, except one that adds itself to/etc/bashrc (I took that out and made a new script like the other two though). I'm not at that workstation but I think all three Sun.
Anyway, there are different versions of different runtimes and not all apps work with all of these variations, and this sometimes makes me want to throw them all out.
With all the "openness" going on with Java these days will things get even more complicated? I have 3 important commercial apps that run on java, all three have their own run time environments that are incompatible with each other. I have no end of trouble with jre and firefox. I can't count how many times I've had problems with classpaths trying to run java stuff.
Will the OpenJDK mean another runtime? As in Blackdown, Sun, Open?
So, lay off 'em, unless you're already in your editor writing code.
Bullshit. These developers are in the employ of companies that users pay good money to for a product, and part of the motivation for purchasing that product is idealogical.
So, if you've ever spent money on a linux distro, DO NOT "lay off 'em", in fact keep bitching until they "get it".
I think the reason so many distros with Corporate backing default to Gnome is because they are employing the people who make the decisions within the Gnome project. KDE is much more user driven then Gnome in my opinion. With Gnome, Novell can have some real influence.
What's more, there is the crack-pottery in the clip about how all the people in the field are in a conspiracy to deny his idea funding.
I've watched the video once and skipped through a second time now...I don't see where you got this from. Can you provide a time reference?
Also, as far as crack-pottery goes, is there anything statement from him that isn't true, or grounded in real science? In the comments here today I see a few "...sounds fishy to me..." type statements but no one points to anything concrete.
In my opinion, for all the money we waste on dumb shit every year, I say give the man 2 mil and see what happens. Make Haliburton pay it, they owe us big time.
The problem is education. Back in the 70's school districts started cutting budgets, and then in the 80's people got on this Reading,wRiting, and aRithmetic. Art, sports, shop, band, etc. were all cut and we raised a generation of people who know how to read basic instructions and make change. It seems we forgot that being creative is problem solving.
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if it wasn't on purpose.
GG: John Boehner, the House Minority Leader, was on Fox News on Sunday arguing for telecom immunity, and this is one of the things he said in explaining why he believed in amnesty: "I believe that they deserve immunity from lawsuits out there from typical trial lawyers trying to find a way to get into the pockets of the American companies."
I have no doubt that Congressman Boehner is aware of the EFF's true motivations and is deliberately spinning them. His motivation for doing so can only be to defend the Bush Administration. Most importantly, He is absolutely aware that what has happened and is still happening is illegal and he is willing to lie on national tv to defend this.
In board rooms, on conference calls, in the break room, at the pool hall down the street, people can't get away with this shit and they know they'll be called out for lying. We really need the people who interviewing these traitors to be more aggressive. Fuck politeness, just once I want some anchorman to say "Wo, hold the fuck on John, we all know that's bullshit."
Our elected officials (all of them) lie and spout meaningless rhetoric with impunity everyday and that needs to change. They need to be put on the spot and grilled once in a while.
Democratic leaders scrambled to persuade their members to oppose it, but with Republicans accusing Democrats of being weak on terrorism, a "no" vote proved too hard to sell, and so the bill was pulled from the floor.
WTF? Do they think we're such fools that we can't see through rhetoric like "weak on terrorism if you won't be criminals with us"? CHRISTONASTICK. They think this way because they're shielded from us in their offices/chambers whatever. If they had to come outside and deal with a real person getting up in their face (like in real life) this bullshit wouldn't fly.
You either trust your government or you dont. If you dont trust the current admin, elect a new one.
What?
No, these options are unacceptable. I choose to not trust any administration and insist that the power to break the law and then provide yourself with retroactive immunity should not be granted to government.
I have about the same reaction as you to articles like this.
Question: How long would it take for permanent structures to be completely weathered away?
Take the ruins in Greece or Rome. They're about 5000 years old now (I'm not looking that up), how long till they're completely gone? 10,000 more years?
Is it possible that humans had an advanced civilization but self destructed such a long time ago that there's no (that we've found) evidence?
The thing is I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around people being here for 200,000 years and not really doing anything.
However, the article does support the allegations made in the summary. Also, when you're talking about physics, or genetic defects then of course correlation is not causation.
But when you're talking about people correlation is often causation. Especially when you're talking about people who've already demonstrated a lack of ethics. In this case I have no doubt that retaliation was the motive for pulling the contracts.
If you want an open phone, there are several on the market or very close to market that will work MUCH better and the companies will support you in creating the apps. There's no need to hack the iPhone and Apple has cheated no one.
My opinion on this is that it is unethical and should be illegal for ANY phone on the market to be restricted to a network, or restricted in available applications based solely on who gets paid. It's bad enough that companies have framed the software market so that products you "buy" aren't yours but licensed, they want the same paradigm with hardware too. It's bullshit, and it shouldn't be tolerated just because someone else sells uncrippled hardware.
It's been more than 5 years since they got my money. No CD's, No DVD's, and I don't got to the movie theater anymore either. I almost caved for Spiderman3 but I didn't.
I considered going in front of a movie theater with a sign but I figured if it was just me people would just think "look at that crazy guy..." as they were standing in line. If there's like 50 people it would be different.
So I have to be in the "in group" to discuss something posted in a public forum?
Absolutely not, nor did I say so. That does not mean that people shouldn't have some awareness of of their own perspective or lack of perspective on any topic. The perspective of a "PHB who's investigating Linux" is not the perspective of the articles target audience.
Notice that the poster I replied to already listed several companies that provide systems with no OS or with a Linux option. The point of my post was that such a list is completely irrelevant, and that being the case I'll ignore that portion of your post and address your insult.
In the context of the thread as a whole and in particular the tone of the OP, I felt that such a closing line to my post was appropriate. In fact, I actually think this is obvious to anyone who has read all of the posts by the OP in this discussion. Maybe you weren't paying attention.
The term 'MS Tax' has been around a long time. When Dell, HP, Gateway, and damn near everyone is finally selling "naked boxes" or PC's with Linux preinstalled people will still be using the term MS Tax. This is because for a long goddamn time ALL of the MAJOR vendors would ONLY allow you to by a computer with Windows.
And before you start in again with your "options", consider that the TAX you pay in the U.S. is also voluntary because you have options. You don't have to own a house, you can go out in the woods and live in a tent if you want. You can hang out with a "will work for food" sign all day too and not pay taxes. Social Security income in old age is OPTIONAL right?
Finally, do not forget that Microsoft strongarmed most of the previously mentioned vendors into the contracts forbidding a non Windows OS. In other words the vendors didn't do this 'VOLUNTARILY' they were forced to pass this TAX on to you.
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A JRE is installed with the apps, and they have start scripts that setup they're own environment in the running shell, except one that adds itself to /etc/bashrc (I took that out and made a new script like the other two though). I'm not at that workstation but I think all three Sun.
Anyway, there are different versions of different runtimes and not all apps work with all of these variations, and this sometimes makes me want to throw them all out.
Ok, "openness" is not a factor, but it is yet another runtime isn't it?
With all the "openness" going on with Java these days will things get even more complicated? I have 3 important commercial apps that run on java, all three have their own run time environments that are incompatible with each other. I have no end of trouble with jre and firefox. I can't count how many times I've had problems with classpaths trying to run java stuff.
Will the OpenJDK mean another runtime? As in Blackdown, Sun, Open?
So, lay off 'em, unless you're already in your editor writing code.
Bullshit. These developers are in the employ of companies that users pay good money to for a product, and part of the motivation for purchasing that product is idealogical.So, if you've ever spent money on a linux distro, DO NOT "lay off 'em", in fact keep bitching until they "get it".
There's a reason Ubuntu uses Gnome
I think the reason so many distros with Corporate backing default to Gnome is because they are employing the people who make the decisions within the Gnome project. KDE is much more user driven then Gnome in my opinion. With Gnome, Novell can have some real influence.And as for which desktop sucks ass, there's a reason why Gnome has only 3% more users then KDE in spite of most distros defaulting to Gnome for years now. (From http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/10/poll-indicates-gnome-most-popular.html )
What's more, there is the crack-pottery in the clip about how all the people in the field are in a conspiracy to deny his idea funding.
I've watched the video once and skipped through a second time now...I don't see where you got this from. Can you provide a time reference?Also, as far as crack-pottery goes, is there anything statement from him that isn't true, or grounded in real science? In the comments here today I see a few "...sounds fishy to me..." type statements but no one points to anything concrete.
In my opinion, for all the money we waste on dumb shit every year, I say give the man 2 mil and see what happens. Make Haliburton pay it, they owe us big time.
The problem is education. Back in the 70's school districts started cutting budgets, and then in the 80's people got on this Reading,wRiting, and aRithmetic. Art, sports, shop, band, etc. were all cut and we raised a generation of people who know how to read basic instructions and make change. It seems we forgot that being creative is problem solving.
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if it wasn't on purpose.
GG: John Boehner, the House Minority Leader, was on Fox News on Sunday arguing for telecom immunity, and this is one of the things he said in explaining why he believed in amnesty: "I believe that they deserve immunity from lawsuits out there from typical trial lawyers trying to find a way to get into the pockets of the American companies."
I have no doubt that Congressman Boehner is aware of the EFF's true motivations and is deliberately spinning them. His motivation for doing so can only be to defend the Bush Administration. Most importantly, He is absolutely aware that what has happened and is still happening is illegal and he is willing to lie on national tv to defend this. In board rooms, on conference calls, in the break room, at the pool hall down the street, people can't get away with this shit and they know they'll be called out for lying. We really need the people who interviewing these traitors to be more aggressive. Fuck politeness, just once I want some anchorman to say "Wo, hold the fuck on John, we all know that's bullshit."Our elected officials (all of them) lie and spout meaningless rhetoric with impunity everyday and that needs to change. They need to be put on the spot and grilled once in a while.
You really cannot compare the potential damage of an RIAA lawsuit to the potential damage of the U.S. government.
The potential for a "Brazil" like episode is very real and I would be surprised if it hasn't already happened.
Democratic leaders scrambled to persuade their members to oppose it, but with Republicans accusing Democrats of being weak on terrorism, a "no" vote proved too hard to sell, and so the bill was pulled from the floor.
WTF? Do they think we're such fools that we can't see through rhetoric like "weak on terrorism if you won't be criminals with us"? CHRISTONASTICK. They think this way because they're shielded from us in their offices/chambers whatever. If they had to come outside and deal with a real person getting up in their face (like in real life) this bullshit wouldn't fly.You either trust your government or you dont. If you dont trust the current admin, elect a new one.
What? No, these options are unacceptable. I choose to not trust any administration and insist that the power to break the law and then provide yourself with retroactive immunity should not be granted to government.I have about the same reaction as you to articles like this.
Question:
How long would it take for permanent structures to be completely weathered away?
Take the ruins in Greece or Rome. They're about 5000 years old now (I'm not looking that up), how long till they're completely gone? 10,000 more years?
Is it possible that humans had an advanced civilization but self destructed such a long time ago that there's no (that we've found) evidence?
The thing is I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around people being here for 200,000 years and not really doing anything.
Now everyone will know about usenet and how to access it.
That's not true. The redacted documents support the allegations.
"According to a story...indicate that likely would have been..."
"...documents released Wednesday suggest."
Reading comprehension FTW.
However, the article does support the allegations made in the summary. Also, when you're talking about physics, or genetic defects then of course correlation is not causation.
But when you're talking about people correlation is often causation. Especially when you're talking about people who've already demonstrated a lack of ethics. In this case I have no doubt that retaliation was the motive for pulling the contracts.
Thing is, most anytime you buy a cell phone, you're buying both the hardware and the network, not one or the other.
Exactly.
If you want an open phone, there are several on the market or very close to market that will work MUCH better and the companies will support you in creating the apps. There's no need to hack the iPhone and Apple has cheated no one.
My opinion on this is that it is unethical and should be illegal for ANY phone on the market to be restricted to a network, or restricted in available applications based solely on who gets paid. It's bad enough that companies have framed the software market so that products you "buy" aren't yours but licensed, they want the same paradigm with hardware too. It's bullshit, and it shouldn't be tolerated just because someone else sells uncrippled hardware.It's been more than 5 years since they got my money. No CD's, No DVD's, and I don't got to the movie theater anymore either. I almost caved for Spiderman3 but I didn't.
I considered going in front of a movie theater with a sign but I figured if it was just me people would just think "look at that crazy guy..." as they were standing in line. If there's like 50 people it would be different.
So I have to be in the "in group" to discuss something posted in a public forum?
Absolutely not, nor did I say so. That does not mean that people shouldn't have some awareness of of their own perspective or lack of perspective on any topic. The perspective of a "PHB who's investigating Linux" is not the perspective of the articles target audience.Well, if this is for the PHB's investigating that linux thing,...
It is not. It is directed at Linux developers and if you're not one you probably don't have the requisite perspective to be calling this "FUD".The key point here is that MS would *punish* vendors who offered a non-Microsoft OS or no OS.
Notice that the poster I replied to already listed several companies that provide systems with no OS or with a Linux option. The point of my post was that such a list is completely irrelevant, and that being the case I'll ignore that portion of your post and address your insult.
In the context of the thread as a whole and in particular the tone of the OP, I felt that such a closing line to my post was appropriate. In fact, I actually think this is obvious to anyone who has read all of the posts by the OP in this discussion. Maybe you weren't paying attention.
You're 0 for 2.
DUDE. Stop it already.
The term 'MS Tax' has been around a long time. When Dell, HP, Gateway, and damn near everyone is finally selling "naked boxes" or PC's with Linux preinstalled people will still be using the term MS Tax. This is because for a long goddamn time ALL of the MAJOR vendors would ONLY allow you to by a computer with Windows.
And before you start in again with your "options", consider that the TAX you pay in the U.S. is also voluntary because you have options. You don't have to own a house, you can go out in the woods and live in a tent if you want. You can hang out with a "will work for food" sign all day too and not pay taxes. Social Security income in old age is OPTIONAL right?
Finally, do not forget that Microsoft strongarmed most of the previously mentioned vendors into the contracts forbidding a non Windows OS. In other words the vendors didn't do this 'VOLUNTARILY' they were forced to pass this TAX on to you.
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Yeah, those monks come from the most caste driven culture in the world, where someone born in the lowest castes are forced to remain there forever
What in the hell are you talking about?