does this pattern change between daylight savings time and standard time?
putting it on an hour earlier is still putting it on..
back to TFA, wasnt there something similar out of illinois about a year ago? that study looked at the _cost_ whereas this 'study' at least appears to look at energy consumption.
i actually read the linked article in TFA and it seemed pretty heavy on assumption. statisitcally, even with the sample size they had, 1% looked like it could easily fall within the margin of error.
so the title should actually be ' daylight savings time has negligible effect on energy consumption in indiana- just provides more daylight time for people to enjoy the outdoors'.
Does it outweigh the benefits of a well-regulated militia which is necessary for the security of the free state?
prove its necessary!
the fact that it is mentioned in the second amendment to the us constitution has no real meaning here - and from what i understand about 'interpretation' of the us constitution, it really could mean anything over there too! lets see who obama appoints to the supreme court over the next couple o yrs.
the 'right to bear arms' should of course be clarified to ' the right to both arms' and some reference to how shoulders should be used to connect them to the body might make it even clearer.:P
fact is, if indonesia or even friggin new zealand wanted to invade australia, they could pretty well take our cities before our 'well regulated militia' could do much about it.
handing out guns to everyone? well i dont know how often you're in sydney, but thats one prick of a town and handing out guns to anyone who wanted one would just result in a lot less australians around to resist an invasion. ( apologies to sydney - you're beautiful and all, but fucked if i want to live there again! )
well - maybe not new zealand - but the reality of the modern world is that economies are so intertwined and resource distribution channels orchestrated that there really is no value in pushing an army to impose a will of whim. see iraq for example. how is that going? i note that they're still trading their oil in $USD, which i've long assumed was the real point of the invasion, but given the state of the us economy now, what has it achieved?
might also want to take a look through various parts of africa where militia rule through armed conflict - where nobody wins! ( least of all the people ).
i presume you respond in jest, but clearly what is being proposed is technically flawed, unless of course they declare ssh or any other tls protocol illegal and block such connections.
there is an old saying "an armed society is a polite society"
clearly you've never been to many [armed] parts of the USA.
and no before you go off on some tangent about the wild west, it's not gun battles in the street that stop crimminals, the mere fact it MIGHT happen to be them that gets blown away that stops them.
theres no real logic in that statement; what often transpires in the aforementioned _armed_ societies is that someone works up a rage, whips out a handgun and starts shooting _without_ thinking of the consequences. the fact that anyone else _could_ be also armed is in that point in time irrelevant, they have a gun and are prepared to point it at someone else.
tends to work much better when there are no guns - even taking a knife or other manual force weapon requires far more discriminate action ( that is, they have to chase down or otherwise directly inflict violent actions. ). this is obviously _much_ more difficult to do than whipping out a gun and squeezing the trigger.
now, from tfa to which you linked ( which i recall reading at the time c. 2006 ):
...may have had some impact was on the rate of suicide, but the study said the evidence was not clear...
so... we did a study, we reckon stuff, but its not clear. great study. perhaps it was deliberately skewed?:
Dr Baker and her co-author, Samara McPhedran, declared their membership of gun groups in the article
But the biggest problem is the general public's lack of knowledge of firearms, and lack of experience, that which people don't know they fear
... and if you dont do what i say i'll shoot you.
thats pretty much why the _vast_ majority of australians dont want guns in our society - there simply isnt a need, and the risk that a fuckwit with a short fuse and a.22 can kill with little more than pulling a trigger far outweighs the benefits of ' ohhh but i really want a gun'.
funnily, the more an individual wants guns the less stable they come across - furthering the argument against them having said weapon(s).
as for the 'sport' of it - i've always thought it a stretch at best to call it that - how much of a sweat do you work up pulling a trigger?
the _vast_ majority of us didnt want guns fucking over our stable society as they do in the USA.
alas, the proposed filtering scheme will not ( aside from slowdown of networks ) affect the _vast_ majority of people at all - and the ones that it seems to be intended to foil ( kiddie porn fiends, copyright fiends ) will very quickly and easily be able to work around the filters.
i've written to the relevant senator here ( and of course got no reply ), trying to point things like ssh tunnels and proxy servers, but to no avail. ( not to mention https or any other transport layer security schemes )
it should also be noted that the project was started by the previous government, and looks more to be the relevant body (ACMA - australian communications and media authority ) following through on the original direction.
all up, it is pretty sinister as it really does imply someone will be watching over what you see, and i presume there will be a need to capture and analyse all request and response data in order to let someone consult a little red book of sanctioned content.
what is really obvious in all of it is that the people directing this really dont have much of a grasp on how the internet works.
in my comment to the minister, i even used a car analogy: to prevent the spread of unauthorised material, police will be required to stop and inspect every vehicle on every trip, and to keep a detailed inventory of everything on board.
As an employee for a non-profit, OSS has been a lifesaver but it will be difficult to find a replacement who will be familiar with the OSS applications and Linux.
suggest walk into any small business office and see how visual basic for applications has completely anchored the business processes in that company, and will be there till the business dies.
in that regard, crappy custom apps are always going to be harder to 'pick up', as at least with OSS apps there is a much wider pool of resources available to help.
If you have a hardware problem and call Intel they will solve your problem because the entire hardware stack is Intel
so the admin guys with MCSE's you employ to babysit your system guess its a hardware problem...and so the call intel.
whereby intel will direct you to the software vendor, who is clearly responsible for the ${fault} you have described... and such and such.
_or_ you could employ a couple of guys who know their way around f/oss, use commodity hardware and when a part fails, just replace it. if its under warranty, great, maybe get a fresh replacement part for the next one that blows. if not - meh.
all the support in the world isnt going to help if your raid array fries and the mcse's didnt back up the data....
my point is that if you have to have local support ( sysadmins, whatever ), then they should be able to handle 99 % of any problem likely to arise, the other 1% should be cheaper to just replace parts with - so what does ' vendor support' really get you?
Here is a situation where potentially thousands of people in the industry are going to be laid off because of this economic downturn, and all he can mention is how great it's going to be for OSS.
well,
on the bright side - F/LOSS is priced with the developer in mind! all the poor windows mcse's will be able to re-tool themselves with nary a msdn cost amongst em!
I've seen 96 CPU Oracle servers (actually CPUs, not just 96 cores) kicking around databases with terrabytes of data. How many Postgres boxes have you seen at that scale?
yes, we had a postgres instance running on a 32 way sparc, later ( after my time ) updated to a 64 way e2k machine at a multinational logistics company. keeping billing records ticking over. several tens of millions of $ per day.
cpu was never the problem - linux and postgres seem to manage that quite well ( across 32 gigs of ram i believe ), what got us in the end was the slow old disks in the e10k.
that particular example aside, i have also seen/been involved with the development of 96+ ( just to re-use your 96 number above) database backed apps where postgres ran on just the single physical cpu or dual at times, and again, postgres on linux just works and works and works.
would you be so kind as to suggest just the range of licence cost the above mentioned oracle array set you back?
i can give you a hint for the total of all postgres licenses i've shelled out for : $0
Does it do the job as cheaply as possible. And have They heard of it.
oracles response: ' oh, it will do it. now - how much you got? '
or even more damaging is when oracle puts a concerted effort into 'site licenses' where management several layers removed from actual technical knowledge listen to the oracle reps lay it on thick about 'real savings' and equate a need for a simple database feeding a short term website with a big-iron requiring 'enterprise' system.
then they go and bury some clause about penalties per non-oracle install in the organisation.
bastards! ( or even worse.. what kind of fuckwit would sign a contract like that?? )
that, incidentally, is why many governments cant move to open source - penalties from an existing contractual arrangement.
dont get me wrong, theres a time and a place for oracle (db, NOT the appserver), but for the _vast_ majority of apps, postgres &/or mysql will do the job better.
presuming you havent built really crappy apps, one linux guy to install and configure, then let it just run in the background. java webapp? tomcat ! database backend? postgres ! ldap? etc...
of course, if your business demands up to the minute support, patches, etc, redhat can provide a reasonable service for a reasonable price, and will be pretty well binary compatible with your initial centos outlay.
"This is cheaper, lets get this." and then doesn't realize that he needed someone who actually knew how to configure and manage things like the Linux box it was going to go on, etc.
clearly you've never been somewhere that thought oracle was a good idea either...
as an engineer, with 10+ yrs in the industry, it still boggles the mind that closed source, proprietary software has such a stranglehold on the way businesses percieve 'value'.
all too often, you see a business with a couple of it 'support' staff, maybe developers too, and someone has a day at the golf course and comes back with 'great news, we've managed to secure a long term contract with IBM...'
i still loath cognos reportnet some 4 years after that guy came back from the golf course... whats that ? ibm bought cognos? greeeeeaaat!
going a/c at this point really isnt going to mask your identity.
you seem to have forgotten your original premise was that if you really wanted to slip in some malicious code somewhere, you'd simply pick an O/S project.
curtman has pointed out, in a clear, concise and accurate fashion, that a) it really isnt that simple and b) arguing the semantics of your original contention do not change the argument.
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From an outsider's perspective, it kinda seems like a bandwagon
merchant bankers, stockbrokers, debt traders... seems more like a conga line to me!
something something similar-ish with java FX.. basically an interpreted language that gets compiled on the fly and run in a jvm.
http://java.sun.com/javafx/
sposed to be pretty friendly to devs and all with the sdk and open source ide plugins.
does this pattern change between daylight savings time and standard time?
putting it on an hour earlier is still putting it on..
back to TFA, wasnt there something similar out of illinois about a year ago? that study looked at the _cost_ whereas this 'study' at least appears to look at energy consumption.
i actually read the linked article in TFA and it seemed pretty heavy on assumption. statisitcally, even with the sample size they had, 1% looked like it could easily fall within the margin of error.
so the title should actually be ' daylight savings time has negligible effect on energy consumption in indiana- just provides more daylight time for people to enjoy the outdoors'.
Does it outweigh the benefits of a well-regulated militia which is necessary for the security of the free state?
prove its necessary!
the fact that it is mentioned in the second amendment to the us constitution has no real meaning here - and from what i understand about 'interpretation' of the us constitution, it really could mean anything over there too! lets see who obama appoints to the supreme court over the next couple o yrs.
the 'right to bear arms' should of course be clarified to ' the right to both arms' and some reference to how shoulders should be used to connect them to the body might make it even clearer. :P
fact is, if indonesia or even friggin new zealand wanted to invade australia, they could pretty well take our cities before our 'well regulated militia' could do much about it.
handing out guns to everyone? well i dont know how often you're in sydney, but thats one prick of a town and handing out guns to anyone who wanted one would just result in a lot less australians around to resist an invasion. ( apologies to sydney - you're beautiful and all, but fucked if i want to live there again! )
well - maybe not new zealand - but the reality of the modern world is that economies are so intertwined and resource distribution channels orchestrated that there really is no value in pushing an army to impose a will of whim. see iraq for example. how is that going? i note that they're still trading their oil in $USD, which i've long assumed was the real point of the invasion, but given the state of the us economy now, what has it achieved?
might also want to take a look through various parts of africa where militia rule through armed conflict - where nobody wins! ( least of all the people ).
ha!
s/kiddieporn/someotherdomain/g
i presume you respond in jest, but clearly what is being proposed is technically flawed, unless of course they declare ssh or any other tls protocol illegal and block such connections.
there is an old saying "an armed society is a polite society"
clearly you've never been to many [armed] parts of the USA.
and no before you go off on some tangent about the wild west, it's not gun battles in the street that stop crimminals, the mere fact it MIGHT happen to be them that gets blown away that stops them.
theres no real logic in that statement; what often transpires in the aforementioned _armed_ societies is that someone works up a rage, whips out a handgun and starts shooting _without_ thinking of the consequences. the fact that anyone else _could_ be also armed is in that point in time irrelevant, they have a gun and are prepared to point it at someone else.
tends to work much better when there are no guns - even taking a knife or other manual force weapon requires far more discriminate action ( that is, they have to chase down or otherwise directly inflict violent actions. ). this is obviously _much_ more difficult to do than whipping out a gun and squeezing the trigger.
now, from tfa to which you linked ( which i recall reading at the time c. 2006 ):
...may have had some impact was on the rate of suicide, but the study said the evidence was not clear...
so... we did a study, we reckon stuff, but its not clear. great study. perhaps it was deliberately skewed?:
Dr Baker and her co-author, Samara McPhedran, declared their membership of gun groups in the article
#!/bin/bash
$> ssh -L80:www.kiddieporn.com:80 my.overseas.host.com & /etc/hosts
$> cat "127.0.0.1 www.kiddieporn.com" >>
$> firefox www.kiddieporn.com &
$> echo " what filter? "
But the biggest problem is the general public's lack of knowledge of firearms, and lack of experience, that which people don't know they fear
... and if you dont do what i say i'll shoot you.
thats pretty much why the _vast_ majority of australians dont want guns in our society - there simply isnt a need, and the risk that a fuckwit with a short fuse and a .22 can kill with little more than pulling a trigger far outweighs the benefits of ' ohhh but i really want a gun'.
funnily, the more an individual wants guns the less stable they come across - furthering the argument against them having said weapon(s).
as for the 'sport' of it - i've always thought it a stretch at best to call it that - how much of a sweat do you work up pulling a trigger?
actually,
the _vast_ majority of us didnt want guns fucking over our stable society as they do in the USA.
alas, the proposed filtering scheme will not ( aside from slowdown of networks ) affect the _vast_ majority of people at all - and the ones that it seems to be intended to foil ( kiddie porn fiends, copyright fiends ) will very quickly and easily be able to work around the filters.
i've written to the relevant senator here ( and of course got no reply ), trying to point things like ssh tunnels and proxy servers, but to no avail. ( not to mention https or any other transport layer security schemes )
it should also be noted that the project was started by the previous government, and looks more to be the relevant body (ACMA - australian communications and media authority ) following through on the original direction.
all up, it is pretty sinister as it really does imply someone will be watching over what you see, and i presume there will be a need to capture and analyse all request and response data in order to let someone consult a little red book of sanctioned content.
what is really obvious in all of it is that the people directing this really dont have much of a grasp on how the internet works.
in my comment to the minister, i even used a car analogy: to prevent the spread of unauthorised material, police will be required to stop and inspect every vehicle on every trip, and to keep a detailed inventory of everything on board.
almost.
what they need to do is stop investing in vendor lockin.
dont write that new app in dot net, do it in java with open source libs.
dont use oracle/sql server, use postgres.
with that first step tidied up, moving to an open source app server running on linux is very simple.
or even moving to a closed source app server on linux. or aix. or solaris - your apps, if well written, will not need to change one bit.
ha!
worst part is.. i play golf a couple times a week, and _never_ do i get in on these deals!
I have no idea. But it wasn't my money. I was just being paid for my Oracle expertise. Very well, I might add. ;)
so kind of you to bring the thread back on topic ;)
As an employee for a non-profit, OSS has been a lifesaver but it will be difficult to find a replacement who will be familiar with the OSS applications and Linux.
suggest walk into any small business office and see how visual basic for applications has completely anchored the business processes in that company, and will be there till the business dies.
in that regard, crappy custom apps are always going to be harder to 'pick up', as at least with OSS apps there is a much wider pool of resources available to help.
If you have a hardware problem and call Intel they will solve your problem because the entire hardware stack is Intel
so the admin guys with MCSE's you employ to babysit your system guess its a hardware problem...and so the call intel.
whereby intel will direct you to the software vendor, who is clearly responsible for the ${fault} you have described. .. and such and such.
_or_ you could employ a couple of guys who know their way around f/oss, use commodity hardware and when a part fails, just replace it. if its under warranty, great, maybe get a fresh replacement part for the next one that blows. if not - meh.
all the support in the world isnt going to help if your raid array fries and the mcse's didnt back up the data....
my point is that if you have to have local support ( sysadmins, whatever ), then they should be able to handle 99 % of any problem likely to arise, the other 1% should be cheaper to just replace parts with - so what does ' vendor support' really get you?
Here is a situation where potentially thousands of people in the industry are going to be laid off because of this economic downturn, and all he can mention is how great it's going to be for OSS.
well,
on the bright side - F/LOSS is priced with the developer in mind! all the poor windows mcse's will be able to re-tool themselves with nary a msdn cost amongst em!
hi morgan,
i would like to buy one of your oracles, could you give me a quote on the price?
regards,
the management.
I've seen 96 CPU Oracle servers (actually CPUs, not just 96 cores) kicking around databases with terrabytes of data. How many Postgres boxes have you seen at that scale?
yes, we had a postgres instance running on a 32 way sparc, later ( after my time ) updated to a 64 way e2k machine at a multinational logistics company. keeping billing records ticking over. several tens of millions of $ per day.
cpu was never the problem - linux and postgres seem to manage that quite well ( across 32 gigs of ram i believe ), what got us in the end was the slow old disks in the e10k.
that particular example aside, i have also seen/been involved with the development of 96+ ( just to re-use your 96 number above) database backed apps where postgres ran on just the single physical cpu or dual at times, and again, postgres on linux just works and works and works.
would you be so kind as to suggest just the range of licence cost the above mentioned oracle array set you back?
i can give you a hint for the total of all postgres licenses i've shelled out for : $0
Does it do the job as cheaply as possible. And have They heard of it.
oracles response: ' oh, it will do it. now - how much you got? '
or even more damaging is when oracle puts a concerted effort into 'site licenses' where management several layers removed from actual technical knowledge listen to the oracle reps lay it on thick about 'real savings' and equate a need for a simple database feeding a short term website with a big-iron requiring 'enterprise' system.
then they go and bury some clause about penalties per non-oracle install in the organisation.
bastards! ( or even worse.. what kind of fuckwit would sign a contract like that?? )
that, incidentally, is why many governments cant move to open source - penalties from an existing contractual arrangement.
dont get me wrong, theres a time and a place for oracle (db, NOT the appserver), but for the _vast_ majority of apps, postgres &/or mysql will do the job better.
www.centos.org
( or - son of redhat )
presuming you havent built really crappy apps, one linux guy to install and configure, then let it just run in the background. java webapp? tomcat ! database backend? postgres ! ldap? etc...
of course, if your business demands up to the minute support, patches, etc, redhat can provide a reasonable service for a reasonable price, and will be pretty well binary compatible with your initial centos outlay.
"This is cheaper, lets get this." and then doesn't realize that he needed someone who actually knew how to configure and manage things like the Linux box it was going to go on, etc.
clearly you've never been somewhere that thought oracle was a good idea either...
as an engineer, with 10+ yrs in the industry, it still boggles the mind that closed source, proprietary software has such a stranglehold on the way businesses percieve 'value'.
all too often, you see a business with a couple of it 'support' staff, maybe developers too, and someone has a day at the golf course and comes back with 'great news, we've managed to secure a long term contract with IBM...'
i still loath cognos reportnet some 4 years after that guy came back from the golf course... whats that ? ibm bought cognos? greeeeeaaat!
'... but look, she's got a new hat!'
fucking mac fanbois.
For those of us (many of us) who need Mac/OSX for their work, opinions that the premius is worth it because of the fancy design is frankly insulting.
frankly, there are those of us ( many of us ) who find the use of the term 'premius' in a slashdot post repulsive and disturbing.
unless it was a typo, in which case 'rock on brother'
my dell vostro 1710 draws many positive comments every time i open it up on a client site.
( and i particularly enjoy responding to 'is that a mac'? questions with 'better!' and show em the compiz desktop eye candy. )
17", 1920x1200, 256mb nvidia graphics, 2.5 ghz cpu, 4 gigs o ram, dual fast hard disks.
cost me $aud 2400.
even has 6 usb ports plus fire wire ;) ( though in dell land we call it 1394 mini or somethin..)
fedora hasnt skipped a beat since day one.
so wheres the value in the mac? or is value different to cost ? :)
( a fun game is to go to the mac store and spec one up to how you'd like your generic pc to be, then be horrified at the running total! )
mollymoo,
going a/c at this point really isnt going to mask your identity.
you seem to have forgotten your original premise was that if you really wanted to slip in some malicious code somewhere, you'd simply pick an O/S project.
curtman has pointed out, in a clear, concise and accurate fashion, that a) it really isnt that simple and b) arguing the semantics of your original contention do not change the argument.