1. It would be nice if Google included an OSS category, or a bonus award for an OSS prize winner. At least encourage good behaviour.
2. A lot of the closed stuff is crap, and could be improved to be usable or extended if it was open source.
3. You can actually do both. Maybe include the source with your app, or use a license like.... where when you make changes, they go back to the original author.
4. Maybe of the posts are missing the pointer or don't understand open software. You wouldn't have Linux as-is today without it.
Too bad I don't have any mod points so I can rate you down as a libertarian f'tard.
Two things:
1. He was talking about holding off, not eliminating the requirements.
2. We just had this conversation this morning, when someone said "Capitalism is the best system we have". But you have to ask, is it better to have a system that works to improve the social good of everyone. Or is it better to have a system where a few can get rich at the expense of the rest.
3. I disagree about being "Socially Good" is the problem. I think it's actually the bi-polar nature of our governmental and social system. We have one group that wants to help all people. We have another group who wants only their corporate overlords.
Jesus, there is just some data internal/external tha tshould not be trusted to business people. Basic business should be taught to administrators, enough to run a business (only a couple months needed for a competent admin).
If you want that, then make the newspapers non-profit, or not-for-profit entities. As long as they are trying to turn a profit, you're going to continue to get what you get.
As a non/not-profit organization, then it's about making just enough to survive, but allows some freedom.
Do you people actually watch the news? Or do you just listen to what your corporate overlords tell you? Rush Limdumbass does not count as news either...
The networks are all corporate entities and tend to either fluff, sensationalism, or stupid/bad "investivagating reporting".
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Damn, all that typing, and then I saw the comment below... Well, here is my 2c anyways.
#4 Run around calling Linux developers dirt bags because this particular piece of hardware doesn't scratch their itch.
And to the other discussion on who's problem it is. Well, in this specific case, it's nobody's problem, except for this guys buddies. He's happy with WinXP (Until he changes to a different windows...), the linux developers don't feel interested enough to both with this board, and the board developers don't care.
But in general, the problem sits with the guy who wants to use something that isn't supported. It's up to him to encourage others to want to support it for him.
Don't forget... this idiotic for profit logic also doesn't take into account the total cost of ownership. If I buy 1 widget for $4 over the same time period as having to buy 3 widgets for $2 each over the same time ($6 total), which is better?
I agree that people have been trained that "good capitalism/consumerism" requires us to buy the absolute cheapest "good enough" product. This is in the top 10 list of issues about why our system is broken.
Oops, you made a wrong turn here. The OP was talking about "critical" systems.
Even so, your point about desktop not needing high uptime is also invalid. Think about how much money we waste because MS products don't run correctly/crash. I bet it's more than the Billions that MS complains about losing to piracy.
And this discussion really is about expecting MS products to have high uptime. More and more companies are (dumbly) using MS for high uptime systems and "critical" systems. So, it is all relavent.
Your simplistic concept of simplicity is competeing with a greed based need for proprietary. If the hardware people would release specs, it would be simple to use your wireless on linux. But the hardware vendors have intentionally eliminated simplicity in favor of a high barrier to entry.
The joys of OSS. If you want it to be a 'primary platform', you can volunteer to be the maintainer for it. I think it's just that the current maintainers prefer to not deal with Windows idiosynchroces.
Ironically, your analogy applies, but in reverse of how you intended. Why worry about a little war and a relatively small number of deaths compared to the numbers that will happen if those "nasty environmentalists" turn out to be correct about our destruction of the planet.
It's an easy problem to solve. Have the ad-blocker "ping" every URL that is on your blocked list. This will cause the site you are on to receive credit and get paid.
Better explaination. I surf xyz.com which has links to ad4crap.com and urdata.com. If you send the correct url with the forward from (what is the name of the tag?) tag in the header, xyz.com will get credit for a referal. The ad blocker can just throw away any results from the URL.
Ah, but listening leads to locking up... You are trying to discredit any reasonable argument by going to an extreme....
You must be a joy to live with... What do you tell the family who lost someone in a plane crash because where we could have saved them by spending an extra $10M on every airplane giving people escape pods... It's the same argument as you are making...
Sadly the people who wrote the constitution where human, and aren't around to give their interpretation. So we interpret as we can. One could argue that without campaign reform, my 1st ammendment rights are being violates, since I'm not allowed the same free speak with elected officials as those who made large compaign contributions... And the 5th was obviously written to allow for free/controlled militias to protected against the current administration trying to grab absolute power. Sadly it was written when people in the country needed guns to live their everyday lives. Current interpretations are more likely to lean towards the knowledge that people don't need assault rifles, machine guns, and even 38 specials for their everyday living and that we should have stronger controls over guns.
Yes, I would. I would explain to them that their loved ones gave their lives in the war against facisim, communism, whatever that the american people are fighting.
I would also like to point out that your argument is specious... Proper checks include simple things like getting a court order to run the wire-taps.
You are confusing power that is acceptable under the constitution and power that isn't. It is quite possible and easy to remain safe AND to remain constitutional.
Please turn in your voter card, you are unqualified to participate in our democracy
Umm, read the article? The point was that you can't even use your desktop if WGA is out. He then extended this argument by wondering, if you can't trust M$ with keeping a server up, how can you trust other, smaller companies (Many running on M$ Server products)?
Heh, if Dv. had written this article about a Linux server, the OP would have been just like you said. But it was about a MS issue, so it has to be a troll.
Wow, I guess someone is a little angry because his team wasn't picked over CA.
I'm assuming you are whining about Mass because you live here. But wow, do you have a really bad idea of how a state government should run itself... It sounds like you are saying.. Just because all the other states are jumping off the bridge, that means we should also...
You think, if everyone in the country started using Linux, that Washington state would suddenly get on board?
Maybe Mass is a Progressive state, and believes in doing what is better for the people of the commonwealth than what is best for M$....
Ummmm, you obviously are over simplifying the issue. Mass needs to make these documents available to more than one person, potentially sending them out to outside people and organizations. Does this mean that M$ will be giving them open licenses so they can send the appropriate version of Office out along with the documents?
The point of using standards is so that whatever software is being used in 10-20 years should still be able to read the documents from today. Yes standards will evolve, but the really good ones still find (and were designed originally) a way to maintain compatibility.
It is kind of pathetic that you feel its acceptable to keep old copies of all that software? Please tell me you are also keeping machines/windows versions around that will still run the software. I would chuckle when you found out that Vista no longer runs Office 3.0 that you have so carefully kept (but not windows 95).
Umm... Sounds like the perfect defense, since IBM co-developed it with them.... And IBM's prior art is just as good as anyone else' for invalidating a patent.
Maybe it's more proof that even a monopoly can't always help you sell crap. At some point, the crap is just too unpalletable (nice word eh? spelling). Sadly, people are stilling paying the monopoly because instead of Vista, they are getting XP.
I also agree with the people would like like to see XP numbers against Vista numbers, esp in places where there is some choice.
This is why our stock market driven economy is so messed up. Gee, they didn't make super numbers this quarter because they were building for the future....
I love this quote "Investors wanted less spending, more growth".... And I'd like someone to leave a pound of gold on my doorstep every day.... Hmm, ain't happening. I better punish Google stock for it.
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Um, you forgot to say "IMHO, Mono is better". It meets your needs, but not mine. So.. IMHO, mono is useless, and Java is great.
2. A lot of the closed stuff is crap, and could be improved to be usable or extended if it was open source.
3. You can actually do both. Maybe include the source with your app, or use a license like .... where when you make changes, they go back to the original author.
4. Maybe of the posts are missing the pointer or don't understand open software. You wouldn't have Linux as-is today without it.
Two things:
1. He was talking about holding off, not eliminating the requirements.
2. We just had this conversation this morning, when someone said "Capitalism is the best system we have". But you have to ask, is it better to have a system that works to improve the social good of everyone. Or is it better to have a system where a few can get rich at the expense of the rest.
3. I disagree about being "Socially Good" is the problem. I think it's actually the bi-polar nature of our governmental and social system. We have one group that wants to help all people. We have another group who wants only their corporate overlords.
Jesus, there is just some data internal/external tha tshould not be trusted to business people. Basic business should be taught to administrators, enough to run a business (only a couple months needed for a competent admin).
If you want that, then make the newspapers non-profit, or not-for-profit entities. As long as they are trying to turn a profit, you're going to continue to get what you get. As a non/not-profit organization, then it's about making just enough to survive, but allows some freedom.
Do you people actually watch the news? Or do you just listen to what your corporate overlords tell you? Rush Limdumbass does not count as news either... The networks are all corporate entities and tend to either fluff, sensationalism, or stupid/bad "investivagating reporting".
Damn, all that typing, and then I saw the comment below... Well, here is my 2c anyways.
#4 Run around calling Linux developers dirt bags because this particular piece of hardware doesn't scratch their itch.
And to the other discussion on who's problem it is. Well, in this specific case, it's nobody's problem, except for this guys buddies. He's happy with WinXP (Until he changes to a different windows...), the linux developers don't feel interested enough to both with this board, and the board developers don't care.
But in general, the problem sits with the guy who wants to use something that isn't supported. It's up to him to encourage others to want to support it for him.
Python Sucks, so let's not
Don't forget... this idiotic for profit logic also doesn't take into account the total cost of ownership. If I buy 1 widget for $4 over the same time period as having to buy 3 widgets for $2 each over the same time ($6 total), which is better?
I agree that people have been trained that "good capitalism/consumerism" requires us to buy the absolute cheapest "good enough" product. This is in the top 10 list of issues about why our system is broken.
Oops, you made a wrong turn here. The OP was talking about "critical" systems.
Even so, your point about desktop not needing high uptime is also invalid. Think about how much money we waste because MS products don't run correctly/crash. I bet it's more than the Billions that MS complains about losing to piracy.
And this discussion really is about expecting MS products to have high uptime. More and more companies are (dumbly) using MS for high uptime systems and "critical" systems. So, it is all relavent.
Your simplistic concept of simplicity is competeing with a greed based need for proprietary. If the hardware people would release specs, it would be simple to use your wireless on linux. But the hardware vendors have intentionally eliminated simplicity in favor of a high barrier to entry.
The joys of OSS. If you want it to be a 'primary platform', you can volunteer to be the maintainer for it. I think it's just that the current maintainers prefer to not deal with Windows idiosynchroces.
Ironically, your analogy applies, but in reverse of how you intended. Why worry about a little war and a relatively small number of deaths compared to the numbers that will happen if those "nasty environmentalists" turn out to be correct about our destruction of the planet.
It's an easy problem to solve. Have the ad-blocker "ping" every URL that is on your blocked list. This will cause the site you are on to receive credit and get paid.
Better explaination. I surf xyz.com which has links to ad4crap.com and urdata.com. If you send the correct url with the forward from (what is the name of the tag?) tag in the header, xyz.com will get credit for a referal. The ad blocker can just throw away any results from the URL.
Ah, but listening leads to locking up... You are trying to discredit any reasonable argument by going to an extreme....
You must be a joy to live with... What do you tell the family who lost someone in a plane crash because where we could have saved them by spending an extra $10M on every airplane giving people escape pods... It's the same argument as you are making...
Sadly the people who wrote the constitution where human, and aren't around to give their interpretation. So we interpret as we can. One could argue that without campaign reform, my 1st ammendment rights are being violates, since I'm not allowed the same free speak with elected officials as those who made large compaign contributions... And the 5th was obviously written to allow for free/controlled militias to protected against the current administration trying to grab absolute power. Sadly it was written when people in the country needed guns to live their everyday lives. Current interpretations are more likely to lean towards the knowledge that people don't need assault rifles, machine guns, and even 38 specials for their everyday living and that we should have stronger controls over guns.
Yes, I would. I would explain to them that their loved ones gave their lives in the war against facisim, communism, whatever that the american people are fighting.
I would also like to point out that your argument is specious... Proper checks include simple things like getting a court order to run the wire-taps.
You are confusing power that is acceptable under the constitution and power that isn't. It is quite possible and easy to remain safe AND to remain constitutional.
Please turn in your voter card, you are unqualified to participate in our democracy
Umm, read the article? The point was that you can't even use your desktop if WGA is out. He then extended this argument by wondering, if you can't trust M$ with keeping a server up, how can you trust other, smaller companies (Many running on M$ Server products)?
Heh, if Dv. had written this article about a Linux server, the OP would have been just like you said. But it was about a MS issue, so it has to be a troll.
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Wow, I guess someone is a little angry because his team wasn't picked over CA.
I'm assuming you are whining about Mass because you live here. But wow, do you have a really bad idea of how a state government should run itself... It sounds like you are saying.. Just because all the other states are jumping off the bridge, that means we should also...
You think, if everyone in the country started using Linux, that Washington state would suddenly get on board?
Maybe Mass is a Progressive state, and believes in doing what is better for the people of the commonwealth than what is best for M$....
Ummmm, you obviously are over simplifying the issue. Mass needs to make these documents available to more than one person, potentially sending them out to outside people and organizations. Does this mean that M$ will be giving them open licenses so they can send the appropriate version of Office out along with the documents?
The point of using standards is so that whatever software is being used in 10-20 years should still be able to read the documents from today. Yes standards will evolve, but the really good ones still find (and were designed originally) a way to maintain compatibility.
It is kind of pathetic that you feel its acceptable to keep old copies of all that software? Please tell me you are also keeping machines/windows versions around that will still run the software. I would chuckle when you found out that Vista no longer runs Office 3.0 that you have so carefully kept (but not windows 95).
Umm... Sounds like the perfect defense, since IBM co-developed it with them.... And IBM's prior art is just as good as anyone else' for invalidating a patent.
Maybe it's more proof that even a monopoly can't always help you sell crap. At some point, the crap is just too unpalletable (nice word eh? spelling). Sadly, people are stilling paying the monopoly because instead of Vista, they are getting XP.
I also agree with the people would like like to see XP numbers against Vista numbers, esp in places where there is some choice.
This is why our stock market driven economy is so messed up. Gee, they didn't make super numbers this quarter because they were building for the future....
I love this quote "Investors wanted less spending, more growth".... And I'd like someone to leave a pound of gold on my doorstep every day.... Hmm, ain't happening. I better punish Google stock for it.