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Yeah, remember all those months we were bombing the shit out of innocent civilians, then all of the sudden we learn about Tora Bora, a complex the CIA built and in which we learn that bin Laden was supposedly hiding out the whole time!
So why did we bomb those civilians again? Oh, right... the pipeline.
Dirty mother fuckers.
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But would you rather drive with a drinker than someone who was high?
Alcohol is more intoxicating than marijuana, cocaine and even heroin, at least according to the NIDA. It's the intoxication that's the threat on the roadways.
In fact, most studies performed on the question demonstrate that marijuana users are much, much safer than alcohol users, and there was even one study done in Australia which showed that marijuana users were as safe on the road as people who weren't intoxicated at all! (actually the numbers showed that pot smokers were safer, but it was within the margin of error for the study.)
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Encouraging sex outside of marriage through abortion or by generally ridiculing the institution, increasing the work force creating fewer jobs and legislating that so many must go to women which displaces the male as the traditional head of the family, and championing a greater role for the state in family affairs, e.g., domestic "violence" and child "endangerment" laws.
Just to name a few.
And of course our children are weaker. Look at all the drugs we have to give to boys to enforce "equality" in the classroom.
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Actually it was Egypt and not Syria, but for the moment let's say you are correct.
So what about the Lavon affair?
(and BTW, fuck you for calling me an anti-Semite. You don't even know what the word means, you fucking retard.)
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It's too bad you can't tell us why you think it is stupid, or ill-informed.
I mean, how can it be ill-informed when I've littered this thread with many links to mainstream media sources backing up most everything I've said on this topic?
(that said, you're right, it isn't anti-Semitic... not even close.)
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I have backed it up. Please visit my home page and review the postings I've made in this thread. You will find links substantiating most every claim I've made here.
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Sure, a few people have been reported as dying from the drug, but since it is illegal, and its manufacture is not regulated, these people more than likely died from adulterants.
Adulterants that wouldn't be there were the drug legal.
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Officials at instant-messaging firm Odigo confirmed today that two employees received text messages warning of an attack on the World Trade Center two hours before terrorists crashed planes into the New York landmarks. Citing a pending investigation by law enforcement, the company declined to reveal the exact contents of the message or to identify the sender.
This was later changed, but it was still said to be a warning of an attack.
What other attacks took place on 9/11?
Do you seriously expect people to ignore this? Particularly in combination with the rest of the facts, most of which I haven't even touched on in this thread, foremost of which being that the mostly-Zionist neoconservatives who have essentially taken over our foreign policy were poised at the ready to take advantage of this attack, or that the mainstream media, mostly Jewish owned or operated, provided no follow-up whatsoever to either the facts implicating Israel nor any real examination of the supposed facts implicating Afghanistan/Iraq?
And what about the Israeli spy ring, the largest ever uncovered in America, which was in proximity to the alleged terrorists as they trained, in America? I find it odd you don't want to address this either.
But what is most damning is how you are willing to give Israelis the benefit of the doubt even though most of the evidence points their way, yet stand by the ridiculous conclusion of our government that it was Al Qaeda even though there is absolutely no evidence implicating them whatsoever, as according to FBI Director Mueller.
I mean c'mon, Al Qaeda had absolutely nothing to gain here, whereas Israel...
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Thank you. Very excellent post.
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Actually, if you are going to believe everything the gov't/media has had to say on this, Al Qaeda was operating in the United States too. Indeed, that is where they supposedly learned how to fly their planes.
And for the record, the Taliban tried to cooperate with the U.S. in rooting out Al Qaeda, even going so far as to offer not once, not twice, but three times to locate, apprehend and transport those Al Qaeda alleged to be responsible to a neutral country for trial.
But this wasn't good enough (and besides, we wanted to build that pipeline ya know.) So we bombed them, and killed thousands of people who were utterly innocent.
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Our government subsidizes tobacco farmers, and our constitution explicitly sanctions alcohol.
One Saudi. The article goes on to say that there are other Saudis who don't believe the tape is genuine.
And I find it especially interesting that no link is provided to the tape. If this really is the proof you say it is, why doesn't whitehouse.gov and all the mainstream media feature it front and center--or for that matter, anywhere--on their web sites???
And have you seen this? No way is that man in the video Osama bin Laden. Look at the cheeks, the nose. It's not him.
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Also, arguing that only one Israeli died indicates that Israel warned "its citizens" (and, therefore had a hand in the attack) is pretty ridiculous.
No it's not. Consider how many Israelis normally work in those building... estimates I've seen put the number north of a thousand.
The fact that 5 Israeli's were reportedly seen 'high fiving' also indicates nothing.
I disagree. Apparently you aren't well versed in this story, because the owner of the moving company they worked for fled to Israel very shortly after this incident.
You're grounds are, so far, that the Washington Post (supposedly) claimed an Israeli company was warned in advance of the attacks.
You should read the news more.
Evidence that Al-Qaeda were involved includes Osama Bin Laden saying that they did, as well as more evidence (trail of funds, trailing the hijackers, etc).
Excuse me, but this is pure shit. Are you referring to the video tape of bin Laden admitting to 9/11? Nobody will even host that video anymore, it is so obviously a fake! The trail of funds likewise is not conclusive at all, as FBI Director Mueller himself admits, there is no evidence implicating the 19 hijackers in 9/11... indeed, many of these hijackers have been found alive.
Forgive me while I still consider your post flamebait.
I'm not really interested in what a retard like you has to say, I mean, c'mon, this is the first you've heard of this? Please.
Not a troll, but certainly confused (and maybe a liar.)
Show me where Al Qaeda jumps up and down claiming responsibility.
You don't mean that video with bin Laden, do you? That was so obviously a fake that you can't find a single government or mainstream media that still has the gall to host it.
C'mon, show us the proof!
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I'm sorry, I made the mistake of assuming that many of you were well read in such matters.
Here's an excerpt from The New York Times article dated 2001-09-22 I referred to:
A NATION CHALLENGED: THE TALLY; Officials Say Number of Those Still Missing May Be Overstated
By ERIC LIPTON (NYT) 1217 words
It has become clear, though, that the question of foreign citizens has been the most problematic in efforts to keep the city's count accurate. Over the last several days, the city's list of the missing became inflated by what officials said were missing persons reports from consulates and embassies for countries including India and Israel.
But interviews with many consulate officials yesterday suggested that the lists of people they were collecting varied widely in their usefulness. For example, the city had somehow received reports of many Israelis feared missing at the site, and President Bush in his address to the country on Thursday night mentioned that about 130 Israelis had died in the attacks.
But today, Alon Pinkas, Israel's consul general here, said that lists of the missing included reports from people who had called in because, for instance, relatives in New York had not returned their phone calls from Israel. There were, in fact, only three Israelis who had been confirmed as dead: two on the planes and another who had been visiting the towers on business and who was identified and buried.
As for The Washington Post story about Odigo, that paper has since taken it down. Here however is the story as reported by Haaretz. And here is a Google search that lists all the hundreds if not thousands of web sites that have copied the Post story for posterity, perhaps this link is the best... it also goes into the allegations about the Israeli spy ring, allegations which are largely confirmed by the Jewish publication Forward.
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1) The Washington Post publishes a story detailing how employees of Odigo, an Israeli company with offices in the immediate vicinity of the WTC, received a warning hours before the attack. A week or so later, The New York Times reports on how only one Israeli died in the WTC that day, and he was only there visiting, which suggests that Odigo wasn't the only Israeli concern that received a warning. Then there are the reports of an Israeli spy ring that was in extremely close proximity to the alleged hijackers, members of which were observed in Jersey City celebrating as the tower fell. Add to that the fact that Israel has done things like this before (see the Lavon affair, or the U.S.S. Liberty), and the fact that Israel was seen (incorrectly in my view) as the primary beneficiary of 9/11. Conclusive evidence? No. But it's certainly more compelling than what has been amassed against Afghanistan/Iraq, the campaign against the latter being particularly obscene given that it turns out there are NO WMD's and that apparently no U.N. resolutions were violated, meanwhile, Israel is believed to have amassed the world's fifth largest nuclear arsenal and stands as the undisputed leader in violations of U.N. resolutions.
2) The war on drugs is genocide from many different points of view. It is important to first understand that genocide does not necessarily mean killing an entire people. Please review the legal definition. The fact that the origins of our drug laws were derived from hatred towards minorities, blacks especially, and the fact that blacks today are disproportionately targetted by these laws is perhaps the best example. But even more compelling I think is the following statement: our drug policy promotes the use of the most deadly and addictive recreational drugs--alcohol and tobacco--while using violence to punish those who would use the safest and least addictive recreational drugs, like marijuana or Ecstasy. Consider that recreational drug use has been a part of human existance throughout history, and that it has been clear for a very long time now that some people have a greater need/greater problems with recreational drug use. The propensity to use drugs can therefore be described as being related to culture and genetics, two of the components which make up ethnicity, and the targeting of an ethnic group is within the definition of genocide. You can also check out this story, which while not necessarily constituting genocide, if true, amounts to the most deadly holocaust ever inflicted by man upon man.
3) As for feminism, I could spend the rest of the month going into this. I think the main points here however are that our experience with feminism constitutes barely 0.000000001% of human existence yet the preposition that men and women are equal in all things is treated as if it were absolute truth; that the ever escalating regulation of human behavior is the result of politicians pandering to the feminine need for safety above all else; and that it has destroyed, at least in part, the basic social unit that is the family. Again, I could go on... but I have work to do.
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Pointing out the evidence implicating Israel in 9/11.
Pointing out that the war on drugs is genocide.
Pointing out that feminism has ruined America.
I'm sure there are others, but I expect this is enough to score me -1, Heretic.
I'm wondering why you're referring to heroin as an extreme example when nicotine is considered to be more addictive?
Or how about the addictiveness of alcohol, the only drug that can kill you while withdrawing?
Caffeine is evil. The only drug I've found to be more addictive--legal or illegal--is nicotine.
And it is so great to be off of it! My productivity actually went up, which was very surprising. No more headaches! No more mid-afternoon fatigue! No more difficulty getting to sleep!
But it wasn't until around a month after I quit that I was free of its effects. Not a happy time.
As much as the Matrix sequels sucked, the effects were at least on par with some of these other flicks. Like T3, I mean, c'mon, there was only really one cool scene in the whole movie.
The point of the acquisition of media, or the concentration of media power, is to influence the electorate.
And no greater influence can be held over the electorate than replacing them outright with programmable machines.
So basically what you are asking for is to have the same people who aspire to control the electorate to call attention to their efforts at achieving even greater control over the electorate.
It's just not going to happen.
They see where America is going. They see the exodus of jobs going overseas that is to come (what we've seen to date is nothing), and they realize that the result will inevitably be the electorate veering hard to the left. And since they can take all their capital with them overseas that would be fine, except for one thing: the U.S. military.
They can't simply cede America to a reactionary leftist because there's no telling what kind of retribution would be exacted.
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Yeah, remember all those months we were bombing the shit out of innocent civilians, then all of the sudden we learn about Tora Bora, a complex the CIA built and in which we learn that bin Laden was supposedly hiding out the whole time!
So why did we bomb those civilians again? Oh, right... the pipeline.
Dirty mother fuckers.
But would you rather drive with a drinker than someone who was high?
Alcohol is more intoxicating than marijuana, cocaine and even heroin, at least according to the NIDA. It's the intoxication that's the threat on the roadways.
In fact, most studies performed on the question demonstrate that marijuana users are much, much safer than alcohol users, and there was even one study done in Australia which showed that marijuana users were as safe on the road as people who weren't intoxicated at all! (actually the numbers showed that pot smokers were safer, but it was within the margin of error for the study.)
Encouraging sex outside of marriage through abortion or by generally ridiculing the institution, increasing the work force creating fewer jobs and legislating that so many must go to women which displaces the male as the traditional head of the family, and championing a greater role for the state in family affairs, e.g., domestic "violence" and child "endangerment" laws.
Just to name a few.
And of course our children are weaker. Look at all the drugs we have to give to boys to enforce "equality" in the classroom.
Actually it was Egypt and not Syria, but for the moment let's say you are correct.
So what about the Lavon affair?
(and BTW, fuck you for calling me an anti-Semite. You don't even know what the word means, you fucking retard.)
It's too bad you can't tell us why you think it is stupid, or ill-informed.
I mean, how can it be ill-informed when I've littered this thread with many links to mainstream media sources backing up most everything I've said on this topic?
(that said, you're right, it isn't anti-Semitic... not even close.)
I have backed it up. Please visit my home page and review the postings I've made in this thread. You will find links substantiating most every claim I've made here.
I guess you missed the news that the bulk of evidence amassed against Ecstasy was bogus.
More drug warrior propaganda.
Sure, a few people have been reported as dying from the drug, but since it is illegal, and its manufacture is not regulated, these people more than likely died from adulterants.
Adulterants that wouldn't be there were the drug legal.
This was later changed, but it was still said to be a warning of an attack.
What other attacks took place on 9/11?
Do you seriously expect people to ignore this? Particularly in combination with the rest of the facts, most of which I haven't even touched on in this thread, foremost of which being that the mostly-Zionist neoconservatives who have essentially taken over our foreign policy were poised at the ready to take advantage of this attack, or that the mainstream media, mostly Jewish owned or operated, provided no follow-up whatsoever to either the facts implicating Israel nor any real examination of the supposed facts implicating Afghanistan/Iraq?
And what about the Israeli spy ring, the largest ever uncovered in America, which was in proximity to the alleged terrorists as they trained, in America? I find it odd you don't want to address this either.
But what is most damning is how you are willing to give Israelis the benefit of the doubt even though most of the evidence points their way, yet stand by the ridiculous conclusion of our government that it was Al Qaeda even though there is absolutely no evidence implicating them whatsoever, as according to FBI Director Mueller.
I mean c'mon, Al Qaeda had absolutely nothing to gain here, whereas Israel...
Thank you. Very excellent post.
Actually, if you are going to believe everything the gov't/media has had to say on this, Al Qaeda was operating in the United States too. Indeed, that is where they supposedly learned how to fly their planes.
And for the record, the Taliban tried to cooperate with the U.S. in rooting out Al Qaeda, even going so far as to offer not once, not twice, but three times to locate, apprehend and transport those Al Qaeda alleged to be responsible to a neutral country for trial.
But this wasn't good enough (and besides, we wanted to build that pipeline ya know.) So we bombed them, and killed thousands of people who were utterly innocent.
Our government subsidizes tobacco farmers, and our constitution explicitly sanctions alcohol.
Ergo, these drugs are promoted.
One Saudi. The article goes on to say that there are other Saudis who don't believe the tape is genuine.
And I find it especially interesting that no link is provided to the tape. If this really is the proof you say it is, why doesn't whitehouse.gov and all the mainstream media feature it front and center--or for that matter, anywhere--on their web sites???
And have you seen this? No way is that man in the video Osama bin Laden. Look at the cheeks, the nose. It's not him.
Got a link to the Washington Post story?
See this post for links.
Also, arguing that only one Israeli died indicates that Israel warned "its citizens" (and, therefore had a hand in the attack) is pretty ridiculous.
No it's not. Consider how many Israelis normally work in those building... estimates I've seen put the number north of a thousand.
The fact that 5 Israeli's were reportedly seen 'high fiving' also indicates nothing.
I disagree. Apparently you aren't well versed in this story, because the owner of the moving company they worked for fled to Israel very shortly after this incident.
You're grounds are, so far, that the Washington Post (supposedly) claimed an Israeli company was warned in advance of the attacks.
You should read the news more.
Evidence that Al-Qaeda were involved includes Osama Bin Laden saying that they did, as well as more evidence (trail of funds, trailing the hijackers, etc).
Excuse me, but this is pure shit. Are you referring to the video tape of bin Laden admitting to 9/11? Nobody will even host that video anymore, it is so obviously a fake! The trail of funds likewise is not conclusive at all, as FBI Director Mueller himself admits, there is no evidence implicating the 19 hijackers in 9/11... indeed, many of these hijackers have been found alive.
Forgive me while I still consider your post flamebait.
I'm not really interested in what a retard like you has to say, I mean, c'mon, this is the first you've heard of this? Please.
Not a troll, but certainly confused (and maybe a liar.)
Show me where Al Qaeda jumps up and down claiming responsibility.
You don't mean that video with bin Laden, do you? That was so obviously a fake that you can't find a single government or mainstream media that still has the gall to host it.
C'mon, show us the proof!
Here's an excerpt from The New York Times article dated 2001-09-22 I referred to:
As for The Washington Post story about Odigo, that paper has since taken it down. Here however is the story as reported by Haaretz. And here is a Google search that lists all the hundreds if not thousands of web sites that have copied the Post story for posterity, perhaps this link is the best... it also goes into the allegations about the Israeli spy ring, allegations which are largely confirmed by the Jewish publication Forward.
Already done.
An earlier reply.
1) The Washington Post publishes a story detailing how employees of Odigo, an Israeli company with offices in the immediate vicinity of the WTC, received a warning hours before the attack. A week or so later, The New York Times reports on how only one Israeli died in the WTC that day, and he was only there visiting, which suggests that Odigo wasn't the only Israeli concern that received a warning. Then there are the reports of an Israeli spy ring that was in extremely close proximity to the alleged hijackers, members of which were observed in Jersey City celebrating as the tower fell. Add to that the fact that Israel has done things like this before (see the Lavon affair, or the U.S.S. Liberty), and the fact that Israel was seen (incorrectly in my view) as the primary beneficiary of 9/11. Conclusive evidence? No. But it's certainly more compelling than what has been amassed against Afghanistan/Iraq, the campaign against the latter being particularly obscene given that it turns out there are NO WMD's and that apparently no U.N. resolutions were violated, meanwhile, Israel is believed to have amassed the world's fifth largest nuclear arsenal and stands as the undisputed leader in violations of U.N. resolutions.
2) The war on drugs is genocide from many different points of view. It is important to first understand that genocide does not necessarily mean killing an entire people. Please review the legal definition. The fact that the origins of our drug laws were derived from hatred towards minorities, blacks especially, and the fact that blacks today are disproportionately targetted by these laws is perhaps the best example. But even more compelling I think is the following statement: our drug policy promotes the use of the most deadly and addictive recreational drugs--alcohol and tobacco--while using violence to punish those who would use the safest and least addictive recreational drugs, like marijuana or Ecstasy. Consider that recreational drug use has been a part of human existance throughout history, and that it has been clear for a very long time now that some people have a greater need/greater problems with recreational drug use. The propensity to use drugs can therefore be described as being related to culture and genetics, two of the components which make up ethnicity, and the targeting of an ethnic group is within the definition of genocide. You can also check out this story, which while not necessarily constituting genocide, if true, amounts to the most deadly holocaust ever inflicted by man upon man.
3) As for feminism, I could spend the rest of the month going into this. I think the main points here however are that our experience with feminism constitutes barely 0.000000001% of human existence yet the preposition that men and women are equal in all things is treated as if it were absolute truth; that the ever escalating regulation of human behavior is the result of politicians pandering to the feminine need for safety above all else; and that it has destroyed, at least in part, the basic social unit that is the family. Again, I could go on... but I have work to do.
Pointing out the evidence implicating Israel in 9/11.
Pointing out that the war on drugs is genocide.
Pointing out that feminism has ruined America.
I'm sure there are others, but I expect this is enough to score me -1, Heretic.
AOL has been losing email for over a decade now.
(is this another dupe story?)
But withdrawal from those drugs very rarely result in death, and even then, the cause of death is secondary to the withdrawal.
That is, it can be treated.
With alcohol, sometimes there's nothing else that can be done. The person just dies.
I'm wondering why you're referring to heroin as an extreme example when nicotine is considered to be more addictive?
Or how about the addictiveness of alcohol, the only drug that can kill you while withdrawing?
Caffeine is evil. The only drug I've found to be more addictive--legal or illegal--is nicotine.
And it is so great to be off of it! My productivity actually went up, which was very surprising. No more headaches! No more mid-afternoon fatigue! No more difficulty getting to sleep!
But it wasn't until around a month after I quit that I was free of its effects. Not a happy time.
As much as the Matrix sequels sucked, the effects were at least on par with some of these other flicks. Like T3, I mean, c'mon, there was only really one cool scene in the whole movie.
Yes, he was held without a trial for a very long time.
But that is reason to condemn the authorities, not praise Mitnick.
Master social engineer? Are you people on drugs? The man doesn't even rate as script kiddie material!
You want to worship/revile a man for truly sinister acts with a computer? Go pick on somebody like a Pug Winokur.
The point of the acquisition of media, or the concentration of media power, is to influence the electorate.
And no greater influence can be held over the electorate than replacing them outright with programmable machines.
So basically what you are asking for is to have the same people who aspire to control the electorate to call attention to their efforts at achieving even greater control over the electorate.
It's just not going to happen.
They see where America is going. They see the exodus of jobs going overseas that is to come (what we've seen to date is nothing), and they realize that the result will inevitably be the electorate veering hard to the left. And since they can take all their capital with them overseas that would be fine, except for one thing: the U.S. military.
They can't simply cede America to a reactionary leftist because there's no telling what kind of retribution would be exacted.
So they do this instead.