...and ran many more than one application at a time in perfect multitasking under a mach-based kernel.
Hard to know that for a fact given that NeXTStep didn't have more than one application.:)
Only Mac OS 8 added, through an *extension*, the Application Switcher.
System 7 actually, and the application menu was with the Mac all the way (indeed, all the way back to Lisa) and a major component of the UI I'm talking about, so we're not talking about a decade-and-a-half, it's really more like two decades.
In any event, it doesn't explain why Apple excised these two features. Why not just make them an option? The unwashed masses can have their dock, with all of its UI hideousness, and the rest of us can use menus. I don't see what would have been wrong with this solution.
Sure, and somebody coming from stone tablet and chisel is probably going to love the dock too.
I mean, c'mon.
If the dock had been introduced back in the day...
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...of System's 7, 8 or 9, it wouldn't have made it, not even as freeware.
Tog's right. It is the most inane UI feature to have made it in *any* OS, let alone Macintosh.
And what's especially frustrating is that they replaced two very workable UI gadgets, the Application Menu and the Process Menu (which Tog confuses with the former) without so much as bothering to elicit feedback from the users.
I found this to be really arrogant. It was like the boys from NeXT came in and simply assumed they knew better than everybody else, that a UI that had survived for over a decade-and-a-half and have been continually honed during that time was something to just throw away.
I mean, to not even give us the option of having those menus... inexcusable.
Before OS X I had to switch over to Windows for my development work, but it was the OS X dock that made me switch to Windows (and alternately, Linux) for my personal stuff.
Pardon my ignorance, but what did henry ford have to do with inventing the internal combustion engine?
No, I will not pardon your ignorance. I didn't say Henry Ford invented the internal combustion engine, now did I?
He was, however, very big on putting them in those automobile things you'll sometimes see on the roads. And his original plan was to power them all using hemp.
The analogy with using nuclear power to launch spacecraft couldn't be clearer.
This is solving the wrong problem. It's like turning to petroleum to make the automobile's internal combustion engine work instead of hemp, as was Henry Ford's original intent.
That said, anything that increases the pace of our exploration of space is a good thing, particularly if said exploration makes settlement a priority.
We'll just need to watch and make sure the ultra-rich and other assorted-powers-that-be don't look upon the program as some sort of life raft that gives them license to fuck up the planet even more than it already is.
It has always been questionable as to whether they would get DRM to work in the first place. Now along comes HP, trying to make what are essentially incompatible DRM systems work together, and still protect content. The closest analogy I can think of is trying to have make a marriage work with two spouses at the same time.
Anybody who has installed any kind of media player on Windows knows what I'm talking about... it's almost impossible to assign specific file types to Window's Media Player, QuickTime, RealPlayer, Winamp, etc., without all of these applications trying to steal the right to handle these file types out from one another. Now the same thing is going to happen, but with DRM in the mix?
It's going to be a zoo. Nobody is going to stand still for this, especially when people start losing the right to access content they've already payed for.
And just wait till this shit starts happening to everybody's porn collection. People will be running amok in the streets.
I can't recall horror stories of the United States Geological Survey raging out of control and abusing their powers, or the Treasury maliciously printing money at people. What about the Federal Power to establish Post offices? Ripe for civil rights violations, that one.
None of these examples in any way threaten to intrude on privacy or our civil rights.
Check your number and dial again, or ask your mommy for assistance.
Every single power we've given to the government to date has been abused. Give them more power, and they will abuse that too.
I'm so sick of you fools who always assume that the government is always good and always noble when the facts--to say nothing of current events--clearly indicate otherwise.
We need technologies that work against the aggregration of power, not technologies that will accelerate it.
Or, so we're comparing installing a refrigerator in the dash with possibly rewriting the rendering engine of a world-class word processor to accommodate an atypical language.
Let me ask you a question. What does this program do?
Well, you've got people on here maintaining that Israel isn't that much better in that department, so I'm not sure you can get all high and mighty on the Chinese.
That isn't really relevant. Good architecture mandates taking a top-down perspective on a project. You don't let the tail wag the dog.
Have you seen the code? There are undoubtedly many issues with Hebrew support, and if only one impacts architecture, Microsoft is within its rights to say no, even if there is money being offered here.
A market of over a billion versus one of, what, six million?
Which one would you write for?
(btw, I'm not sure the elaborate glyphs are what make Chinese more complicated, but rather the vertical orientation. Right-to-left is basically the same code as left-to-right text, only factored for bi-directionality. But vertical text? Thar be dragons there!)
That said, my money is on Israel. They always get their way.
If nothing else, they'll claim that their God gave them the source to Office--yes, even the source code to Clippy--and that any attempt to dispute that amounts to nothing less than:::drumroll, please::: anti-semitism.
Well, that could be good point, except, as was observed by somebody else somewhere around here, something like 80% of the wiretaps are related to drugs.
Oh, right... drugs were legal throughout most of human history!
Maybe if you changed advent of technology to read advent of big government I could agree with you.
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...and ran many more than one application at a time in perfect multitasking under a mach-based kernel.
:)
Hard to know that for a fact given that NeXTStep didn't have more than one application.
Only Mac OS 8 added, through an *extension*, the Application Switcher.
System 7 actually, and the application menu was with the Mac all the way (indeed, all the way back to Lisa) and a major component of the UI I'm talking about, so we're not talking about a decade-and-a-half, it's really more like two decades.
In any event, it doesn't explain why Apple excised these two features. Why not just make them an option? The unwashed masses can have their dock, with all of its UI hideousness, and the rest of us can use menus. I don't see what would have been wrong with this solution.
I mean, the guys at NeXT can code menus, right?
Sure, and somebody coming from stone tablet and chisel is probably going to love the dock too.
I mean, c'mon.
...of System's 7, 8 or 9, it wouldn't have made it, not even as freeware.
Tog's right. It is the most inane UI feature to have made it in *any* OS, let alone Macintosh.
And what's especially frustrating is that they replaced two very workable UI gadgets, the Application Menu and the Process Menu (which Tog confuses with the former) without so much as bothering to elicit feedback from the users.
I found this to be really arrogant. It was like the boys from NeXT came in and simply assumed they knew better than everybody else, that a UI that had survived for over a decade-and-a-half and have been continually honed during that time was something to just throw away.
I mean, to not even give us the option of having those menus... inexcusable.
Before OS X I had to switch over to Windows for my development work, but it was the OS X dock that made me switch to Windows (and alternately, Linux) for my personal stuff.
Bad.
I think the simpler answer is that you need to read these posts more carefully.
I said exactly what I wanted to say in that post, and in exactly the way it should have been said.
Pardon my ignorance, but what did henry ford have to do with inventing the internal combustion engine?
No, I will not pardon your ignorance. I didn't say Henry Ford invented the internal combustion engine, now did I?
He was, however, very big on putting them in those automobile things you'll sometimes see on the roads. And his original plan was to power them all using hemp.
The analogy with using nuclear power to launch spacecraft couldn't be clearer.
Cars were using petrolium long before Henry Ford.
Did I say they weren't? No.
The first 4 stroke engine was patented in 1878.
Did I say it wasn't? No.
Most of the engineering work was done by Gottlieb Daimler, who had been working on petrolium engines for most of his life.
Did I say anything that remotely denies Mr. Daimler of his due credit? Not at all.
Learn how to fucking read.
This is solving the wrong problem. It's like turning to petroleum to make the automobile's internal combustion engine work instead of hemp, as was Henry Ford's original intent.
That said, anything that increases the pace of our exploration of space is a good thing, particularly if said exploration makes settlement a priority.
We'll just need to watch and make sure the ultra-rich and other assorted-powers-that-be don't look upon the program as some sort of life raft that gives them license to fuck up the planet even more than it already is.
It has always been questionable as to whether they would get DRM to work in the first place. Now along comes HP, trying to make what are essentially incompatible DRM systems work together, and still protect content. The closest analogy I can think of is trying to have make a marriage work with two spouses at the same time.
Anybody who has installed any kind of media player on Windows knows what I'm talking about... it's almost impossible to assign specific file types to Window's Media Player, QuickTime, RealPlayer, Winamp, etc., without all of these applications trying to steal the right to handle these file types out from one another. Now the same thing is going to happen, but with DRM in the mix?
It's going to be a zoo. Nobody is going to stand still for this, especially when people start losing the right to access content they've already payed for.
And just wait till this shit starts happening to everybody's porn collection. People will be running amok in the streets.
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That's what I meant... what's the term I'm looking for... glyph set? Character set? I wanted to say alphabet but I know that's wrong for some reason.
Power has many meanings, but the one that's obviously applicable here is the power wielded over the individual.
So no, I do not agree.
I can't recall horror stories of the United States Geological Survey raging out of control and abusing their powers, or the Treasury maliciously printing money at people. What about the Federal Power to establish Post offices? Ripe for civil rights violations, that one.
None of these examples in any way threaten to intrude on privacy or our civil rights.
Check your number and dial again, or ask your mommy for assistance.
But that doesn't point to MandrakeMove, so the comfort would be temporary at best.
...has been available for some time now.
(I wonder how that happened?)
Please read my definition again, not your abbreviated version of it, paying special attention to the part about commanding respect.
Just because you're old, doesn't mean you're respectable.
Keep your tinfoil hat off...
Spare us your naivete, will you please?
Every single power we've given to the government to date has been abused. Give them more power, and they will abuse that too.
I'm so sick of you fools who always assume that the government is always good and always noble when the facts--to say nothing of current events--clearly indicate otherwise.
We need technologies that work against the aggregration of power, not technologies that will accelerate it.
My dictionary defines venerable as meaning:
PayPal may be old, but it doesn't command any respect whatsoever as far as I'm concerned.
Let me ask you a question. What does this program do?
Yeah, this is a stupid idea.
It's in the league of the millions of requests PGP gets to decrypt user data because they forgot the password.
Just asking the question implies a kind of ignorance that frankly I find worrisome given the responsibilities these guys have.
Well, you've got people on here maintaining that Israel isn't that much better in that department, so I'm not sure you can get all high and mighty on the Chinese.
That isn't really relevant. Good architecture mandates taking a top-down perspective on a project. You don't let the tail wag the dog.
Have you seen the code? There are undoubtedly many issues with Hebrew support, and if only one impacts architecture, Microsoft is within its rights to say no, even if there is money being offered here.
A market of over a billion versus one of, what, six million?
Which one would you write for?
(btw, I'm not sure the elaborate glyphs are what make Chinese more complicated, but rather the vertical orientation. Right-to-left is basically the same code as left-to-right text, only factored for bi-directionality. But vertical text? Thar be dragons there!)
...an immovable object.
:::drumroll, please::: anti-semitism.
That said, my money is on Israel. They always get their way.
If nothing else, they'll claim that their God gave them the source to Office--yes, even the source code to Clippy--and that any attempt to dispute that amounts to nothing less than
Well, that could be good point, except, as was observed by somebody else somewhere around here, something like 80% of the wiretaps are related to drugs.
Oh, right... drugs were legal throughout most of human history!
Maybe if you changed advent of technology to read advent of big government I could agree with you.
You're right. The FBI isn't.
That's the NSA's job.