Re:Let's hope this means the end of veal
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"as a man of science (I assume) you can't argue that eating meat is more efficient than eating the plants yourself. "
You imply that meat is just an inefficient way to ingest plants. While meat does come from plants, this fact does not imply that meat is less efficient. Meat has many properties in higher densities than the plants. I could say "Why eat plants when it's just an inefficent way to eat shit (fertilizer)"
As for a horrible life, look at prey animals in a jungle. Their lives are "horrible" but that is their lot in life. Unless you're on top of the food chain, your life is probably going to end in some gruesome "inhumane" way. But hey, they're not human, so why should they be treated in a "humane" manner? Don't get me wrong. Anybody who tortures life is a highly troubled soul. All life is sacred. Though all elements in a rabbit can be found in earth and water, just try to make a rabbit. But all life is not on par with mankind. If I and a dog were about to be hit by a car, I hope you wouldn't spend too long trying to figure out which one of us you would save, should you only be able to save one.
It is good to love and respect life of all kinds. But don't get carried away. You must kill to survive. Say that to yourself. Say it. "I must kill if I am to survive. If I am to live, other life must perish for me." Every day, you kill or cause death in order to survive. All life is sacred, from the lowliest plant to man himself. If you kill a plant, who are you to say that it is okay to kill that life, but not okay to kill a cow? It is all life, and nowhere have I read that it is okay to kill plants just because they're not cute or fuzzy or moo like cute little cows. They are still sacred life. You are not better or right just because you survive by killing a different form of life than the rest of us.
Wisdom greater than yours or mine says "To everything, there is a season, and a time for every purpose. A time to be born, a time to die. A time to plant, a time to reap. A time to kill, a time to heal."
"Einstein was quite the odd-ball, having hardly (if ever) experimented any of these theories. So, of course they are flawed."
I checked your post history. You don't seem to be a troll, so assuming you just need some reproof, I can't let this one fly. Einstein wrote thousands of pages in his books and lectures, explaining every minute detail of his theories and their foundations. He coined the idea that the framework of basic particle physics is so simple that it is inexcusable not to be able to explain it to anybody.
And your logic statement? Roughly "Because he never explained them, they are flawed." This is a heinous logic fallacy right off the bat, even "pretending" that he never wrote a single book to explain his theories. It just makes no sense.
"Half the time they just dump the plastic from the recycle bins in the landfill with all the other garbage. Seriously. People want a 'plastic recycling program'. It costs too much to actually recycle so..."
I don't care if it costs more. I'm sure there are a lot of opinions, and it just very well might cost more. But it needs to be done. And not doing it because it might not get recycled is ludicrous. It's like never donating to a worthy cause because the money might not all go to what you think it goes to. A little is better than none.
I am sooooooo tired of plastic!!!
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Why is it that I feel I am the only person that cringes whenever a new plastic product is released? Bear with me here: I'm not a vegetarian, I don't belong to any save-the-whatever clubs (tho maybe I should), and I drink from my share of plastic coke bottles; but I try to recycle them, recycle my shopping bags, etc.
BUT I realize that some day, all this plastic will catch up with us. Take these new Saran (?) cutting sheets. Use them, then just throw them away. I HATE that phrase. It's morally repugnant to me. Use, then RECYCLE!!!! Anybody who can take pride in using something, then "throw[ing] it away" is really, really ignorant. Would you feel right about using something, then throwing it in a pile in your back yard, pretending you'll never have to deal with it? Every time you throw away something made of plastic or metal or anything else non-biodegradable, you are demonstrating your ignorance. I do it, you do it, we all do it sometimes. Asking for a total change is unreasonable and unrealistic. But trying to recycle more and more is the way to go. And new plastic products are inexcusable that are explicitly suggested to just be thrown away, and reprehensible.
"[Regarding age 7]I know remember much further back."
How much further back can you go? Even 5 years back isn't really "much" further back. Anyways, as for early memories, my earliest is probably my mom rocking me and singing lullabies while I could still fit on her lap, and I remember that eventually my feet were hitting the bookstand next to the chair, so I was getting taller. I remember some of the lullabies, passed down to me from her father's mother, my great grandmother, from Spain. Another early memory I have is from preschool. I've always been a science geek, and I remember a kid brought in a periscope for show and tell and I remember coveting it, and wanting to see through it so badly, and wondering how it worked. And another early memory is probably from around 4 or 5, when our car got stuck in the snow and some joggers came along and helped push us out. But the lullabies are probably the oldest. I remember the fabric of the chair, how it was a rough weave, and I remember the bookshelf was black sheet metal that made a tinny twang when anything hit it. I also remember playing with Legos for hours, going to an apple orchard, singing my first song in front of strangers when in my then-church's "cherub" choir for 4-5-year-olds (Morning has broken). I was lucky. My mom is a biology major, and a scout leader. When she wasn't helping me to do great science fair projects, we were going to a picnic, or to the zoo, or chasing hot air balloons. Or she was checking me out of school for a doctor's appt, only to surprise me by taking me to the movies. Dad was the authority, mom was the adventurer. Good mix. Now, at almost 25, I don't doubt for a moment that I was and am a very lucky kid, and I think I've got good insight as per how to raise an independant, compassionate, knowledge-seeking flaky kid just like I am:)
"It's spelled Skylarov." Dude, you are one stupid fuck. Not because you're wrong, but because you didn't check your facts before you went out of your way to call someone else wrong in a public forum. That is the mark of a true dick.
It's nice to know someone else here reads fark. (Search for "Japan".) I was going to submit this, but I figured since nothing I submit ever gets accepted, I should let this one be so it could be accepted from someone else:-P
"So, even according to the Bible itself, blind obedience like the one that Religion demands, is a Sin."
Lol. Seeing as grand generalizations are almost always wrong, you want to stand by the statement that nowhere in the bible does it say to just believe? Or that it says somewhere that blind belief/faith is a sin?
"Remember that at least a good portion of those people were genetically created by the machines."
True enough. But the machines didn't create the species. They just put different parts together. Depending on what you believe, we were endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, or, we're a mistake, have no rights, and it's each for himself.
I don't see how either of those lead to the machines being lord over us. Genetic designers or not, I don't see how HRS would have trouble deciding that the machines are not exactly ideal parents.
"It's morally ambiguous. Their better off hooked into that machine that scavenging for scraps at some fucked up(more-so) version of Barter Town. What's better: A false heaven or a very believable hell?"
As a matter of principle and desire for truth, I have no trouble saying hell. At least then I am in charge of my own destiny. Hooked up to a machine, it could malfunction, they could forget to feed me, and oh yeah, choosing that existence would make me really extremely the posterboy for pathetic. But of course, opinions are like...
"Given the recent discussions about the climatic battle in The Towers, and the Clone Wars in Episode which I found impressive, it seems to be the selling point of these movies and is making bigger and badder battles."
This makes sense. The battle is the orgasm of a movie:) They even call it the 'climax' of the storyline, and fighting and sex are the two oldest and strongest instincts, probably indistinguishable on some levels in the brain. If you're getting a satisfactory mindfuck from the first matrix, and they want to lure you to the newest mental copulation, they need to promise and deliver a better orgasm:)
"Now the diplomatic thing to do would be to give each individual a choice (just as was done with Neo and the rest). "
Hay, caramba! The moral questions this one raises... I, for one, think that if you find an entire race of people hooked up to a machine for the entirety of their lives, thinking that is living, and a good way to spend their existence, then that entire race of people needs a boot up its ass. Just like slavery. (I wasnt around so stop asking me to pay for it, etc.) BUT I'm sure there were the slaves that said, "Excuse me, good sir, we don't have it too badly here. Please don't 'rock the boat' as it were, because we may lose our accomodations and life would become more difficult for us, as individuals, and as a whole. Thank you for your understanding." But the right thing to do was to give those people their freedom back. A birthright is a responsibility. Freedom is a birthright. As my dad used to say, "Unplug your head from that goddamned machine and face your responsibilities."
Thank you. It's just like the book. It is not a trilogy. It's only mistake was being printed in 3 parts for time/money/proofreading sake. For nay-sayers, go buy a copy. It actually says this in the foreword.
"Previews 6 months before the movie, geez. Overhype maybe?"
Maybe, though not unusual these days. LOTR2 and T3 both started promos six months or MORE (T3) before the anticipated date of 1st showing, and there are probably others. I dont go to movies that often, but those are the 2 I noticed.
p.s. I also think the extra 'x' thing needs to be explained... Did I miss something?
How is this different from soundex? For decades, databases of names have been stored in soundex. If your driver's license number begins with letter-number-number-number, it is probably soundex. If you have done any ancestry searching, as I have, you have encountered soundex; this way, if you search for John Smith in 1732, you will find records for Juan Smyth, Jon Smythe, John Smitt, etc.
The benefits of having actual sound? If it's just going to use a soundex-type formula in the core functioning, the sound would just be a gimmick, and a storage-taking one at that. Sure, compression has gotten amazing, but will the sound of Smith really take anything near the same 4 bytes as "S720" ??
I use a coupledifferent databases for my hosts file, and I have disabled flash and javascript, only turning them on when I'm at a site that A) requires them, and B) I'm really really interested in.
Voila, I may get 5 ads a day through servers not yet in my hosts file, and they get added immediately.
There are ways to take back your internet experience.
"[...]they rip you off. And it's already taxed (VAT) - it's time the companies charge a more realistic price (15 cents a text message is a typical price today)."
While 15 cents is inexcusably steep (10 a day = ~$45 a month!), I dont think that something like 2-5 cents a message is a bad idea, especially if the area needs money, the average person only sends 10 a day, and there are millions of users. It sounds like a very reasonable way for the citizens to help their region.
"with no intention of letting him stand up and defend himself?"
You have to remember that the charges against him were dropped. As soon as he accepted the bargain of exchanging his testimony/recorded whatever for dropped charges, he lost his right to defend himself and/or his actions. Any defendant has the right to face his accuser in court, not just anybody involved. And in any case, Elcomsoft's attorney could call him at any time.
Well, this is no big surprise, however disappointing it is. Bush is obviously not the sharpest pin in the cushion; he doesn't understand the internet. Everybody is telling him that the internet is bad, so the only thing he can do is try to "contain" it. Nothing much will change. Your grandma's email will be readily available to them.
But I predict starkly contrasting changes will occur in the way you and I use the 'net. Chat and email programs will come with 128-bit or better encryption. PGP and similar programs will once again protect us from those who wish to protect us. We might use an SSL-enabled proxy in a "free-er" country to access web pages and encrypt them for transit to our "free" country.
This, of course, will bring back the debates of whether we should give big brother a key to our hope chests and diaries through back-doors and government keys. These efforts will be defeated. If they succeed, someone will hack the gov't key and reveal everyone's content to the world, and people will learn why gov't keys are a Bad Thing.
And the cycle will begin again. Peaks and troughs, peaks and troughs.
All we can continue to do is be vigilant in our struggle to contain this beast of a gov't that was started only a couple hundred years ago by a room full of good-intentioned men fighting taxation and abuse by their gov't.
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"as a man of science (I assume) you can't argue that eating meat is more efficient than eating the plants yourself. "
You imply that meat is just an inefficient way to ingest plants. While meat does come from plants, this fact does not imply that meat is less efficient. Meat has many properties in higher densities than the plants. I could say "Why eat plants when it's just an inefficent way to eat shit (fertilizer)"
As for a horrible life, look at prey animals in a jungle. Their lives are "horrible" but that is their lot in life. Unless you're on top of the food chain, your life is probably going to end in some gruesome "inhumane" way. But hey, they're not human, so why should they be treated in a "humane" manner? Don't get me wrong. Anybody who tortures life is a highly troubled soul. All life is sacred. Though all elements in a rabbit can be found in earth and water, just try to make a rabbit. But all life is not on par with mankind. If I and a dog were about to be hit by a car, I hope you wouldn't spend too long trying to figure out which one of us you would save, should you only be able to save one.
It is good to love and respect life of all kinds. But don't get carried away. You must kill to survive. Say that to yourself. Say it. "I must kill if I am to survive. If I am to live, other life must perish for me." Every day, you kill or cause death in order to survive. All life is sacred, from the lowliest plant to man himself. If you kill a plant, who are you to say that it is okay to kill that life, but not okay to kill a cow? It is all life, and nowhere have I read that it is okay to kill plants just because they're not cute or fuzzy or moo like cute little cows. They are still sacred life. You are not better or right just because you survive by killing a different form of life than the rest of us.
Wisdom greater than yours or mine says "To everything, there is a season, and a time for every purpose. A time to be born, a time to die. A time to plant, a time to reap. A time to kill, a time to heal."
"Einstein was quite the odd-ball, having hardly (if ever) experimented any of these theories. So, of course they are flawed."
I checked your post history. You don't seem to be a troll, so assuming you just need some reproof, I can't let this one fly. Einstein wrote thousands of pages in his books and lectures, explaining every minute detail of his theories and their foundations. He coined the idea that the framework of basic particle physics is so simple that it is inexcusable not to be able to explain it to anybody.
And your logic statement? Roughly "Because he never explained them, they are flawed." This is a heinous logic fallacy right off the bat, even "pretending" that he never wrote a single book to explain his theories. It just makes no sense.
You're dumb.
If I pick my nose, and patent that, then hey, it's a new patent. So by your description, it's novel?
Wow.
"Half the time they just dump the plastic from the recycle bins in the landfill with all the other garbage. Seriously. People want a 'plastic recycling program'. It costs too much to actually recycle so..."
I don't care if it costs more. I'm sure there are a lot of opinions, and it just very well might cost more. But it needs to be done. And not doing it because it might not get recycled is ludicrous. It's like never donating to a worthy cause because the money might not all go to what you think it goes to. A little is better than none.
Why is it that I feel I am the only person that cringes whenever a new plastic product is released? Bear with me here: I'm not a vegetarian, I don't belong to any save-the-whatever clubs (tho maybe I should), and I drink from my share of plastic coke bottles; but I try to recycle them, recycle my shopping bags, etc.
BUT I realize that some day, all this plastic will catch up with us. Take these new Saran (?) cutting sheets. Use them, then just throw them away. I HATE that phrase. It's morally repugnant to me. Use, then RECYCLE!!!! Anybody who can take pride in using something, then "throw[ing] it away" is really, really ignorant. Would you feel right about using something, then throwing it in a pile in your back yard, pretending you'll never have to deal with it? Every time you throw away something made of plastic or metal or anything else non-biodegradable, you are demonstrating your ignorance. I do it, you do it, we all do it sometimes. Asking for a total change is unreasonable and unrealistic. But trying to recycle more and more is the way to go. And new plastic products are inexcusable that are explicitly suggested to just be thrown away, and reprehensible.
"[Regarding age 7]I know remember much further back."
:)
How much further back can you go? Even 5 years back isn't really "much" further back. Anyways, as for early memories, my earliest is probably my mom rocking me and singing lullabies while I could still fit on her lap, and I remember that eventually my feet were hitting the bookstand next to the chair, so I was getting taller. I remember some of the lullabies, passed down to me from her father's mother, my great grandmother, from Spain. Another early memory I have is from preschool. I've always been a science geek, and I remember a kid brought in a periscope for show and tell and I remember coveting it, and wanting to see through it so badly, and wondering how it worked. And another early memory is probably from around 4 or 5, when our car got stuck in the snow and some joggers came along and helped push us out. But the lullabies are probably the oldest. I remember the fabric of the chair, how it was a rough weave, and I remember the bookshelf was black sheet metal that made a tinny twang when anything hit it. I also remember playing with Legos for hours, going to an apple orchard, singing my first song in front of strangers when in my then-church's "cherub" choir for 4-5-year-olds (Morning has broken). I was lucky. My mom is a biology major, and a scout leader. When she wasn't helping me to do great science fair projects, we were going to a picnic, or to the zoo, or chasing hot air balloons. Or she was checking me out of school for a doctor's appt, only to surprise me by taking me to the movies. Dad was the authority, mom was the adventurer. Good mix. Now, at almost 25, I don't doubt for a moment that I was and am a very lucky kid, and I think I've got good insight as per how to raise an independant, compassionate, knowledge-seeking flaky kid just like I am
Hehehe.
"700MHz, has 4MB cache"
:-P
Hey, according to intel, this processor, at 700MHz, is about 4 years old, and has no hope of competing with intel's True MHz processors!
"It's spelled Skylarov."
Dude, you are one stupid fuck. Not because you're wrong, but because you didn't check your facts before you went out of your way to call someone else wrong in a public forum. That is the mark of a true dick.
It's nice to know someone else here reads fark. (Search for "Japan".) I was going to submit this, but I figured since nothing I submit ever gets accepted, I should let this one be so it could be accepted from someone else :-P
LOL. I guess you have a point :P
"So, even according to the Bible itself, blind obedience like the one that Religion demands, is a Sin."
:-P
Lol. Seeing as grand generalizations are almost always wrong, you want to stand by the statement that nowhere in the bible does it say to just believe? Or that it says somewhere that blind belief/faith is a sin?
References please?
"Damn, I wish people would move on and cut out that faith nonesense..."
:P
Hahahah, what if that's just what the big 'D' wants you to say!? In essence, you have become the sheep!
"Except that you sound like a retard when you say jif"
:)
I always thought that people that said GIF with a hard 'G' sounded like the people who pronounce Warez "war-ezz"
People to whom it sounds silly to speak proper grammer are they themselves the intellectually inferior.
"Remember that at least a good portion of those people were genetically created by the machines."
True enough. But the machines didn't create the species. They just put different parts together.
Depending on what you believe, we were endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, or, we're a mistake, have no rights, and it's each for himself.
I don't see how either of those lead to the machines being lord over us. Genetic designers or not, I don't see how HRS would have trouble deciding that the machines are not exactly ideal parents.
"It's morally ambiguous. Their better off hooked into that machine that scavenging for scraps at some fucked up(more-so) version of Barter Town. What's better: A false heaven or a very believable hell?"
As a matter of principle and desire for truth, I have no trouble saying hell. At least then I am in charge of my own destiny. Hooked up to a machine, it could malfunction, they could forget to feed me, and oh yeah, choosing that existence would make me really extremely the posterboy for pathetic. But of course, opinions are like...
"Given the recent discussions about the climatic battle in The Towers, and the Clone Wars in Episode which I found impressive, it seems to be the selling point of these movies and is making bigger and badder battles."
:) They even call it the 'climax' of the storyline, and fighting and sex are the two oldest and strongest instincts, probably indistinguishable on some levels in the brain. If you're getting a satisfactory mindfuck from the first matrix, and they want to lure you to the newest mental copulation, they need to promise and deliver a better orgasm :)
This makes sense. The battle is the orgasm of a movie
"Now the diplomatic thing to do would be to give each individual a choice (just as was done with Neo and the rest). "
Hay, caramba! The moral questions this one raises... I, for one, think that if you find an entire race of people hooked up to a machine for the entirety of their lives, thinking that is living, and a good way to spend their existence, then that entire race of people needs a boot up its ass. Just like slavery. (I wasnt around so stop asking me to pay for it, etc.) BUT I'm sure there were the slaves that said, "Excuse me, good sir, we don't have it too badly here. Please don't 'rock the boat' as it were, because we may lose our accomodations and life would become more difficult for us, as individuals, and as a whole. Thank you for your understanding." But the right thing to do was to give those people their freedom back. A birthright is a responsibility. Freedom is a birthright. As my dad used to say, "Unplug your head from that goddamned machine and face your responsibilities."
"LOTR does not have sequels...
its just one long movie divided into 3 parts!"
Thank you. It's just like the book. It is not a trilogy. It's only mistake was being printed in 3 parts for time/money/proofreading sake. For nay-sayers, go buy a copy. It actually says this in the foreword.
"Previews 6 months before the movie, geez.
Overhype maybe?"
Maybe, though not unusual these days. LOTR2 and T3 both started promos six months or MORE (T3) before the anticipated date of 1st showing, and there are probably others. I dont go to movies that often, but those are the 2 I noticed.
p.s. I also think the extra 'x' thing needs to be explained... Did I miss something?
How is this different from soundex? For decades, databases of names have been stored in soundex. If your driver's license number begins with letter-number-number-number, it is probably soundex. If you have done any ancestry searching, as I have, you have encountered soundex; this way, if you search for John Smith in 1732, you will find records for Juan Smyth, Jon Smythe, John Smitt, etc.
The benefits of having actual sound? If it's just going to use a soundex-type formula in the core functioning, the sound would just be a gimmick, and a storage-taking one at that. Sure, compression has gotten amazing, but will the sound of Smith really take anything near the same 4 bytes as "S720" ??
I use a couple different databases for my hosts file, and I have disabled flash and javascript, only turning them on when I'm at a site that A) requires them, and B) I'm really really interested in.
Voila, I may get 5 ads a day through servers not yet in my hosts file, and they get added immediately.
There are ways to take back your internet experience.
"[...]they rip you off. And it's already taxed (VAT) - it's time the companies charge a more realistic price (15 cents a text message is a typical price today)."
While 15 cents is inexcusably steep (10 a day = ~$45 a month!), I dont think that something like 2-5 cents a message is a bad idea, especially if the area needs money, the average person only sends 10 a day, and there are millions of users. It sounds like a very reasonable way for the citizens to help their region.
"with no intention of letting him stand up and defend himself?"
You have to remember that the charges against him were dropped. As soon as he accepted the bargain of exchanging his testimony/recorded whatever for dropped charges, he lost his right to defend himself and/or his actions. Any defendant has the right to face his accuser in court, not just anybody involved. And in any case, Elcomsoft's attorney could call him at any time.
Well, this is no big surprise, however disappointing it is. Bush is obviously not the sharpest pin in the cushion; he doesn't understand the internet. Everybody is telling him that the internet is bad, so the only thing he can do is try to "contain" it. Nothing much will change. Your grandma's email will be readily available to them.
But I predict starkly contrasting changes will occur in the way you and I use the 'net. Chat and email programs will come with 128-bit or better encryption. PGP and similar programs will once again protect us from those who wish to protect us. We might use an SSL-enabled proxy in a "free-er" country to access web pages and encrypt them for transit to our "free" country.
This, of course, will bring back the debates of whether we should give big brother a key to our hope chests and diaries through back-doors and government keys. These efforts will be defeated. If they succeed, someone will hack the gov't key and reveal everyone's content to the world, and people will learn why gov't keys are a Bad Thing.
And the cycle will begin again. Peaks and troughs, peaks and troughs.
All we can continue to do is be vigilant in our struggle to contain this beast of a gov't that was started only a couple hundred years ago by a room full of good-intentioned men fighting taxation and abuse by their gov't.
Be strong.