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Waterproof Books

Ant sent in a bit about new Water proof books. From the article "The new dunkable books are made not from trees, but from plastic resins and inorganic fibers. Melcher Media, a New York-based publisher, is promoting books that are manufactured using a technology it calls "Durabooks." The books' pages don't absorb water, and they stretch instead of tearing. Other companies make waterproof books with standard wood-based paper that is heavily laminated in the printing process."

223 comments

  1. You asked for it, Taco by unterderbrucke · · Score: 1, Troll

    What's the over/under on Uncle John's Bathroom Reader using this new technology first?

    1. Re:You asked for it, Taco by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      waterproofing books is a good idea, but jizz-proofing the sports illustrated swimsuit issue would be more useful for me!

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  2. Environment? by Cyno01 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cutting down trees is bad for the environment and all, but trees can be replanted. Wouldn't plastic resins and inorganic fibers be worse?

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    1. Re:Environment? by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Righto... instead of killing the trees by cutting them down, we will be making books that (virtually) never return to the environment, and considering the low quality of many of the books out there, will end up in a landfill somewhere for the next 500+ years. Not to mention we will still be killing the trees due to all the chemical pollution from the plastics manufacturing process...

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    2. Re:Environment? by Specialist2k · · Score: 1

      Exactly! While using crude oil to manufacture books is definitely better than burning its derivates in cars, we'll have to consider that earth's oil reserves won't last forever - and crude oil is required to manufacture plastic as a matter of fact.

    3. Re:Environment? by twiztidlojik · · Score: 1

      Then again, who WOULDN'T want their copy of Stuff to last 500 years?

      Especially if it's an artifact some future archaeologist digs up. Nothing like preserving the superficial pop culture for all eternity.

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    4. Re:Environment? by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 2, Funny

      Somehow, the idea of our pr0n lasting 500 years to be found by an archeologist leaves me with a strange sense of foreboding about the future of the human species...

      Or imagine... someone 500 years from now finds a slashdot post... somehow gets the idea that Soviet Russia is a Profit center of our world...

      Scary!

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    5. Re:Environment? by Charcharodon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You are right for the pulp fiction type of stuff, but I work on aircraft outside, around oil, hydro fluid, jet fuel, and the wind. Our job guides get destroyed very quickly. Our TO guy that maintains them all, replaces nearly 2000 pages a month. If we had what the above article mentioned our books would last a hell of a lot longer. I don't think they intended to replace all books with this process. Besides the ultra-conservative and the nazi types would be upset if you couldn't have a good ol' fashon book burning.

    6. Re:Environment? by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between publishing *certain* books in waterproof format and *all*.

      In places where the books are going to get damaged sure. But just because some yutz bidnez stewdent can't keep the beer off the books doesn't mean we should devastate the earth more than we already are.

      Tom

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    7. Re:Environment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually these books can be reprinted on again and again. My guess is they'll come up with standard sizes for them so formatting doesn't become an issue if a different publisher wants to buy their blank books.

      The book Crade to Cradle is already printed on this material. (Search Amazon or BN for it) The biggest negative it will run in to is that it's significantly heavier then normal paper books. Depending upon your reading position that may just cause increased strain on your hands, wrists, and arms in general.

      Even if the plastic is worse for the environment over time we might as well diversify our pollution. :) Everything in moderation. (Just a joke for those fanatical people out there....)

    8. Re:Environment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just in case you haven't figured this out yet, WE DON'T CARE!!!!!

    9. Re:Environment? by JohnFluxx · · Score: 2

      Heh - I'm just imaging your post on paper instead then. "We can barely make out the words.. just something out a strange sense of foreboding ... and that Soviet Russia is a Profit center of our world"

    10. Re:Environment? by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      cutting down tree is as bad for the environment as cutting the field of crops for shipping off to the market. I'ts another one of those Greenpeace FUD packets that is driven into every childs mind as a fact when it is not.

      Cutting a forest down and NOT replanting it... is bad for the environment... cutting down a forest of Pine trees for making paper and replanting that pine forest with pine trees is not and in the long run MORE healthy for the environment. Old untouched forests are the ones that burn for months in the summer because of the tons of dead and dry matter in the forest floor. and a forest fire is worse to the environment than all of the SUV's in LA during the same time period.

      using a renewable resource is the best thing you can do to the planet.. anyone saying otherwise is spreading lies.

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    11. Re:Environment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When, exactly, did you last attend a book burning? Know of a book burning through local sources? Realize a book burning had occurred recently in timely fashion? Probably you didn't to all three.

      In my conservative section of town, whenever a book at the local library comes up to be pulled off the shelf due to an "issue", it's due to "protecting the kids" and it's usually a liberal mom, not a white collar religious zealot.

      Then again, maybe some of us like to pick and choose what they see. Burn away those ideas and ideals in your tiny mind fo yours, eh?

      (now I must sit down and play my banjo in these redneck areas of mine which doesn't believe in buttons)

    12. Re:Environment? by shepd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google, link 3. Sometimes it is more intelligent than Anonymous Cowards.

      Which is surprising, since it's only a few million lines of code.

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    13. Re:Environment? by chrysaetos · · Score: 1

      I agree with most of your points, but not about the forest fires. Forest fires occur naturally, have for centuries, will for centuries to come. It's the natural way for a forest to restart sucession. Your comment about forest fires being worse to the environment than all of the SUV's in LA sounds like the FUD to me. As I said, forests have been burning long before man's influence, and the environment seems to have gotten along fine.

    14. Re:Environment? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2

      You can pry my books from my cold dead eyeballs. So, don't plan on recycling them anytime soon, paper or plastic. You can have my beer can when it's empty and not a moment before.

    15. Re:Environment? by PD · · Score: 2

      No. Plastic is made of a lot of carbon that came out of the ground. If you throw that carbon back into the ground, or use the thing made of plastic, that carbon doesn't get into the air where it can cause serious problems. i.e. destroy the Earth.

      So use plastic. Use it a lot. Oil that is used to make plastic WON'T get burned in a car.

  3. Pr0n magazine application? by ender1598 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let me guess... they'll next be applying this to make magazines more resistant to various bodily fluids!

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    1. Re:Pr0n magazine application? by dfenstrate · · Score: 1

      well, the first books using this type of paper are anthologies of erotic fiction....

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    2. Re:Pr0n magazine application? by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 2

      Take a read though the article. They actually said that it was resistant to bodily fluids.

      From the article:
      "If you masturbate in the bathtub, that's part of the idea -- even though it doesn't say it in the promotional material," Mohanraj said. "If you get distracted, it's not so bad to drop the book in the bathtub."

      Mohanraj said the book's pages withstand not only bath water, but also bodily fluids and sex oils. Wine, however, will stain the pages.


      So now if you shoot on your porn you can wash it off, and the pages won't get stuck together. Teenagers everywhere rejoice!
      Someone please tell me, why there was actually research money sink into this?

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    3. Re:Pr0n magazine application? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People like yourself made a bad impression on me upon entering my junior year of highschool and enering college. At that age, I was looking for people who had similar interests in things like mathematics, science, technology, history, etc and actually wanted to develop my mind. Instead, those places were dominated with foul-mouthed brats who were obsessed with sexuality in all its various forms. I really could care less about what other people do in baththrooms, bedrooms, backalleys, and I'm sick and tired of people harping about it. Most of all, I'm sick and tired of the idea that sexuality or bodily functions have to have some sort of relevance to whatever subject that comes up for discussion. I don't believe in censorship because I think that the sort of unimaginative riff raff that gets on my nerves ought to have a proverbial lake to jump into.

    4. Re:Pr0n magazine application? by Ponty · · Score: 1

      A little slow in the relationship department? Chin up, things will get better eventually.

      And if IHBT, then good job!

    5. Re:Pr0n magazine application? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, just the sort of response I expected to my comment. This is the meaning of life, people. This is what makes a man. One must not only get laid as much as possible, one must go to one's grave with the highest salary, coolest sports car, loudest stereo, and the biggest collection of golf clubs. Thanks so much for your insights.

    6. Re:Pr0n magazine application? by Ponty · · Score: 2

      It is the meaning of life. And it's the aspect of the post that you missed completely: humor and lightness.

      I haven't gotten laid in ages. Hell, I haven't been on a successful date in ages. Sure it bugs me, but what the hell? I drive a Volvo, I have a pleasantly quiet stereo, and I gave up golf years ago. And I still manage to have fun and be a reasonably balanced person.

      My point is that at the core of it, you're right, but you seem to be drawing the wrong lesson: Let the people have their girls/boys and fast cars. If you don't have that, then find something you do have and can enjoy. Poke some fun at the dumbass jock who's making the CEO's salary while you're a code monkey in the basement. If you let yourself, you'll be a lot happier than him in the end.

    7. Re:Pr0n magazine application? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no trouble with the existence of such people. I just believe in telling them how I feel about them at every opportunity.

  4. Uhhh... by RKloti · · Score: 0

    This is meant for toddlers, right?

    What use to sane adults have for a water-proof book?

    1. Re:Uhhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maps and Guide Books for Kayaking

    2. Re:Uhhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ever tried to eat and read on the same time?

      if ur a clumsy adult, like me, u might find some use for it...

      but.. since i guess i would cost much-more-money then the regular book, i guess i wouldn't buy this kind ;)

    3. Re:Uhhh... by tmtresh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What use to sane adults have for a water-proof book?

      I can think of several uses to this kind of technology. Cookbooks for one always get things spilled on them.

      I am an avid book collector. I like the classics besides several newer books out. They don't have to print all new books with this new technology, just a few for the collectors. I have a series of books that are out of print, and the ones I can get a hold of to finish my collection are trashed. With these books I wouldn't have the same problem with finding a book in good condition (of books in print right now, of course).

      Other things these books are good for:
      There are times I read in the tub to relax.
      There are times my 2 year old gets hold of my books with a crayon. (with a plastic book, you could possibly just wipe it off)
      There are times when I eat while reading and end up with unintended greasy fingerprints.

      These books could last a long time and not be subject to the hazards of paper books. Of course, it wouldn't be practical to print all books on plastic (not to mention the environmental hazards)
      But I can see printing special editions for fans and collectors of these virtually indestructable books.

    4. Re:Uhhh... by 403Forbidden · · Score: 2

      If it were for toddlers then this wouldn't be news at all...

      When I was little I remember reading verious Seseme Street books that were made of fluffy plastic stuff so you could take them in the tub.

    5. Re:Uhhh... by TrinSF · · Score: 2

      Got a use for you, albeit a sort of silly one. I own one of these durabooks; it's a collection of water-based erotica. It's done as a durabook so you can read it in the bathtub (or hot tub, or pool) without damaging it, even if you errrrr, splash about a bit.

    6. Re:Uhhh... by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Funny

      "I can think of several uses to this kind of technology. Cookbooks for one always get things spilled on them."

      Yeah, I can't wait for Maxim to use this technology either.

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    7. Re:Uhhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would agree that the potential market may not be there. But to their utility, there are plenty of reasons.

      Ask anyone who has lived in a basement or apartment next to a water pipe in the chase. Or a water or condensing steam/water radiator system. See if any of your friends keep their books in plastic capped boxes or rather sealed up bookcases and see if it's just really for dust.

      Ask anyone who has worked on a car (although more so oil and grease than water).

      I know a college acquaintenace that lost all notes and textbooks they wanted to keep due to an apartment water break.

      I recently lost about $500 in retail value when a toilet overflowed (not that type of overflow; water was clear, I had cleaned the sink counter and had flushed a degradable wipee; toilet had some odd mechanical failure where somehow the fill worked but the release valve or whatever didn't). The water flowed from the second floor to the first floor through the hole in the floor/ceiling the radiator pipe ran through. Had a nice large spot on the ceiling. Rest landed on a bookcase. I had stopped to answer the phone and had stood in the staircase all of 2 minutes before I heard water trickling then took me about 30 seconds to realize what to do. The bookcase saved a lot, but it I can definitely see, if the cost and construction was right, where polymers would be sweet. Hose down your books instead of dusting them off.

  5. Well... by TWX_the_Linux_Zealot · · Score: 1

    So much for the "dead tree" edition...

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  6. Big market... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like there could be a big market for this in porn mags and bathroom reading materials...

  7. Wait... by VistaBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What exactly is the POINT of a waterproof book? Is it so that you can read your book while you're eating/in the pool? Or for disaster recovery? What practical use is there for a waterproof book? If it's for disaster recovery, how many people care about their books enough that they would be like, "Oh no! My house was flooded! But at least I still have my wonderful books..."

    Also, sometimes it's good to just stick with the classics...now instead of paper, we have this inorganic stuff...when you go into a library, you experience the smell of all the old books. With this new stuff, goodbye Old Book Scent!

    1. Re:Wait... by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      how about putting it in a public place where they are normally torn, damaged, or completely destroyed?

      The fact that the pages do not tear like normal books (phonebooks come to mind) would be a great alternative to their current state where most pages are missing.

      Not everyone has a wireless Internet connected iPaq on the road.

    2. Re:Wait... by droid_rage · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You also see many older books decomposing. And that is truly a sad sight.
      What would be a good idea for this is to implement it in library copies of books only. Just the ability for the paper to stretch rather than tear would save many copies from the "Friends of the library" bins.

    3. Re:Wait... by printman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can see these being used for cookbooks; you can get some that are water/stain/food resistant, but a book made of this stuff would be better.

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    4. Re:Wait... by Artifex · · Score: 2
      What exactly is the POINT of a waterproof book?


      The driver for this technology, like most things, is pr0n. The article (which you read, right?) mentions masturbation in the bathtub with the book, etc.
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    5. Re:Wait... by Xpilot · · Score: 2

      I guess they'd last longer than paper books too, and resistant to those little silver bugs. Imagine books that could last longer than they currently can, so people in the distant future can still read ancient books as they are still intact.

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    6. Re:Wait... by jman11 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It must just be me, but I can think of a quite a few uses for waterproof books, although some of these are more for cheaply available waterproof paper I'm sure the technique can be adapted.
      • Guidebooks for campers, trails, etc.
      • any book that people would reasonably want to take outdoors. I.e bird watching books, train spotters, etc.
      • Maps.
      • Emergency/First aid manuals.
      • Books needed on a boat, I'm sure the navy (and probably regular army too) would like to have some oftheir manuals waterproofed.
      • Porn, shudder

      I think it's pretty pointless for regular books and all. Also the porn use is just sad, if you can't direct things sufficiently well to avoid that, then well I'm sorry for you.

    7. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it'd surely lessen the effects of decay. No yellowing, crumbling pages.

      But frankly, you've hit it dead on. If someone has a book that's actually valuable, you know what it's going to be?

      An old to ancient text. Like, say, a first edition print of The Hobbit, which would surely be yellowed. Or something more valuable that must be kept in a vacuum or at the least handled with gloves.

      Old Book Scent. Hmm.

      See ya, I'm off to the patent office. Mwahahaha, soon I shall replace New Car Scent with Old Book Scent!

      The perfect gift for librarians! Muahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha!

      (Old Book Scent - Patent Pending)

    8. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lifespan of ordinary books is measured in the hundreds of years. Books of just last century are all but gone, not because the paper deteriorated, but because copyright law does not allow copies to be made. Thus the copies that were made while the book was still in print are the only hope, and a good deal of those were destroyed after failing to sell.

    9. Re:Wait... by Orne · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't under-rate flood recovery... If my house were flooded, I would like to preserve the deed to my house, my stock receipts, bank statements, my diploma... When I watch disaster shows on TV, the thing the survivors complain the most about losing is their photographs, years of memories gone...

      On the flipside, we don't have the full specs on this new type of "paper"... is it safe for 1-year-old kids to chew on (which they will)? does it biodegrade? We know that computer printer ink degrades in ~5 years, so how will this printing method hold up? Does it feel like paper or like celophane? Can I still get a paperback for $4.95?

    10. Re:Wait... by addaon · · Score: 2

      Check out this book... not an affiliate link. I have it. Fully waterproof. Good for hot tubs. amazon link

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    11. Re:Wait... by SirCrashALot · · Score: 1

      Since slashdot in the bathtub and pool is out, some people resort to reading. This way, you don't have to worry if your book falls in, just pick it up, shake it off, and you can continue your journey.

    12. Re: Wait... by 0x20 · · Score: 1

      You named a few uses in your post (I've ruined many a book in the tub)... but another potentially valuable application, just off the top of my head, is library use. Old Book Scent is nice, I agree, but it comes from 1) the corrosive chemicals used to treat the paper during processing and 2) the decay of the organic materials in the books. Lots of books are printed so cheaply that they won't last more than 25-30 years even untouched in a library. Not to mention how quickly they get mangled under normal lending conditions.

      I can only see books of this type as a boon to libraries (assuming, of course the cost:durability ratio is better than paper books, which I believe it could be.)

    13. Re:Wait... by PhoenxHwk · · Score: 2

      I guess you've never gotten rained on? Never had anything spilled on a book of yours? Never tried to take a book to the beach?

      I always hate it when a book gets all wrinkly because it got wet somehow.

    14. Re:Wait... by Reziac · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to mention books for toddlers who haven't yet learned that books are to be cherished, not torn up for the neat noise ripping paper makes.

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    15. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir,

      Your outlook on this topic is short-sighted and rather too much conservative. Perhaps you are a ninny? I suspect you are afraid of change, which is another term for progress. This makes you most endearingly pathetic to my enlightened eyes, though I should be quite pained to see you in any position to affect my world, or effect your vantage. Please consider the positive aspects of progress before spouting off in the future, thanks.

    16. Re:Wait... by StarFace · · Score: 3, Informative
      I have used waterproof books before, and they come in awfully handy in some situations. Try surveying a twenty acre plot of property in the rain with a regular notebook! They are useful for anyone who works in a high moisture area that needs to take exhaustive notes. For recreation they have plenty of uses as well: Bird watching, hunting, and mountain climbing to name a few. They also make more heavy duty notebooks and special pens for writing underwater, a priceless ability when scuba diving for fun or work -- anyone who has fumbled around with a grease pen and a plastic tablet knows that. Then you've got people like me who are ardent journalists, but also like walking in the rain. Nothing is more annoying than being 30 minutes from any sort of shelter with several paragraphs of thought you'd like to get down. There are also some field guides that are published as waterproof. It is kind of annoying when your survival guide gets drenched and ripped apart in the bottom of a backpack after a spill.

      The problem is that the process is typically much more expensive than making regular paper. Also, I haven't used this new stuff, but the old techniques produce very thick stock. The kind I use is actually made from tightly weaved textiles and laminates. This makes it okay for a 40 page technical notebook, but somewhat unweildy for larger volumes. You won't see anyone making "flood-proof" books on a large scale any time soon. They would be awfully heavy, bulky, and expensive. It would honestly just be cheaper to buy a second copy after the first one is destroyed.

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    17. Re:Wait... by madmaxx · · Score: 1

      | * Porn, /shudder/

      Funny thing actually ... my wife won a gag-gift (haha) - a soft-porn book printed on waterproof paper - at her xmas party. No great suprise really, pr0n is a leader in new technologies ...

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    18. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With our current administration, fire proof books would be a more pratical enterprize.

    19. Re:Wait... by Artifex · · Score: 2
      Since slashdot in the bathtub and pool is out, some people resort to reading


      I love reading in the bathtub sometimes, but I also love running Cat5+ to the bathroom and balancing a laptop on the pile of discarded books and magazines and dirty clothes so I can surf while relaxing. I need to remember to keep the incense away from the intakes, though.
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    20. Re:Wait... by litui · · Score: 1

      Until you set it on fire... :)

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    21. Re:Wait... by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 2
      What exactly is the POINT of a waterproof book?

      Here's an idea: spend 5 seconds looking at the article before posting to slashdot.

    22. Re:Wait... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      If they're in that phase, I suggest buying them books by Piers Anthony, which I find are best appreciated in the "neat noise" sense. I threw some out once and a housemate actually took them out of the trash can... what a fool.

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    23. Re:Wait... by rossifer · · Score: 1

      Trust me, when you're looking forward to an hour of planned decompression after a long and deep scuba dive, you've brought a book.

      The usual solution is to buy about three copies of the paperback from the local used book store. This gives you about nine dives worth of reading material if you keep the wet book in a bag of water between dives and don't let it dry out. Still gets pretty expensive, even with the used books. Also, I read fast, which doesn't help.

      Books printed in a waterproof medium would be wonderful to bring along for just this purpose.

      Regards,
      ross

    24. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computer printer ink degrades that quickly? What kind, specifically? I have printouts that are over ten years old.

    25. Re:Wait... by los+furtive · · Score: 2

      I don't know about other countries, but the Canadian Forces released its 'The Warrior' combat readiness standards using the plastic resin paper. I've had it since 1994 and it has been through both hell and high water. On the inside cover it even says:

      This book is printed on high-tech, waterproof stock and is designed for both field and garrison use.

      Certainly one of the coolest books I've ever owned, and I appreciated it right away. Too bad they haven't done this for anything else since.

      As for the rifle log books alluded to in this post, I've got one, but it is paper stock that seems to have a plastic or wax lamination on it.

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    26. Re:Wait... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      So, were these books Piers Anthony's SF (using the term loosely), or his pr0n? :)

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  8. yes, but by squarefish · · Score: 1

    will my silly putty still work the same way on the technical drawings in my cs books?

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    1. Re:yes, but by zephc · · Score: 2

      WARNING: Using silly putty to copy pages off a book is a violation of the terms of services and punishable under the DMCA. Please desist iImmediately or we will be forced to pursue further legal action.

      Signed,
      Any Bottom-feeding Lawyer

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    2. Re:yes, but by Tiado · · Score: 1
      WARNING: Using silly putty to copy pages off a book is a violation of the terms of services and punishable under the DMCA. Please desist iImmediately or we will be forced to pursue further legal action.

      But, books aren't digital... Unless of course they're written in 1's and 0's.

    3. Re:yes, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good job, humour-retard.

  9. Instead of the dead tree by YellowSnow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We'll be reading the dead oil well version

    1. Re:Instead of the dead tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since oil is made from the remains of dead plants and animals, aren't we really reading the the dead dinosaur version??

    2. Re:Instead of the dead tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Dead oil?" Okay... didn't think before posting that one, huh? :-)

    3. Re:Instead of the dead tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dead oil WELL. Ok, now it makes sense!

  10. Just imagine by Martigan80 · · Score: 3, Funny

    What this can do to Porn Mags!!!

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    1. Re:Just imagine by idiotnot · · Score: 2

      Ehh, doesn't matter. Everybody looks at pr0n on the net, and waterproof keyboards are old news.

    2. Re:Just imagine by VistaBoy · · Score: 2

      No, for porno mags, we should reimplement "non-stick coating."

    3. Re:Just imagine by cybergibbons · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm normally bored of a porn mag by the time the pages are stuck together. So I can't really see the point.

      Anyway, not being able to wipe it off just adds character. And it helps to stop other people stealing your porn.

    4. Re:Just imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but these plastic books would be *washable*!

  11. good and bad by enos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The good news is that we're going to have today's classics last a whole lot longer in their original form. The bad news is that we're going to have today's crap books last a whole lot longer in their original form.

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  12. 10,000 waterproof copies of Dianetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Modern Science of Mental Hygeine. Just what we need.

  13. Military Application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I imagine that this would have application for Military field use.

  14. Unfortunately.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They said that wine permanently stains the book (I'll assume it's red wine).

    Annnnnndddd..... on a different note...

    Q: What did the grape do when it was stepped on?
    A: It let out a little whine.

    Thanks, I'll be here all week!

  15. Rub a dub dub? by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 3, Funny

    "If you masturbate in the bathtub, that's part of the idea -- even though it doesn't say it in the promotional material," Mohanraj said. "If you get distracted, it's not so bad to drop the book in the bathtub."


    This product should do well on slashdot. Thinkgeek, how about it?

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  16. What about note taking? by IgD · · Score: 0

    I have to read a lot for academic purposes. First I read for college, then grad school and now just to keep up with my profession. Waterproof books sounds great if you want to sell your books back at the end of the year to the school bookstore. I wonder how these books fare to those like me who do a lot of underlining, note taking and highlighting! This technology should be saved for the magazines you get on the plane in the seat pouch so the people who read them before you can't destroy them!

    1. Re:What about note taking? by malloci · · Score: 1

      I think the real question should be can you hihglight, underline, or write in the margins period? Most likely they will also come out and patent some new contraption that people will have to spend a fortune on in order to mark up their books properly.

  17. Neat :-) by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2
    Among the books printed with the new technology are Aqua Erotica and Wet More Aqua Erotica, anthologies of erotic fiction.
    Well ... that definately fits my .sig ...
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  18. Hardback, Paperback, and now... by dagg · · Score: 2
    First comes hardback, and if the book is successful enough, they'll release a paperback version. And now, if a paperback is successful enough, they'll release the plastic-back. Sounds like a good idea to me.

    In most cases, there probably isn't a good ROI on releasing the "plastic-back"s. But these types of books might work well:

    • The Bathroom reader series.
    • Kid's books.
    • Reference books (that have a lot of regular use).
    • Porn (duh). And if you could stretch the porn, that could be interesting.
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    1. Re:Hardback, Paperback, and now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wetback.

  19. Money too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget currency. Plastic currency, as the Australians have, is quite durable. And you can swim with it in your pockets!

  20. No use for a hiking trip by YellowSnow · · Score: 1

    with a real paper book you could always use the pages you've read as emergency arse wipe

  21. Polymers... by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 5, Interesting

    - can be produced from cheap (although toxic), non oil-related chemicals
    - can (sometimes) be utterly destroyed to basic molecules by a simple (again) chemical spray
    - can, often, be reusable.

    Crude Oil...

    - should have been digged for the start in profit for electricity based motor, and hydrogen cells
    - pollutes (No ? Really?)
    - Is a boon on some VERY lucrative business that thinks nothing of bribes, destruction or political instabilities to achieve their goals (no direct attacks, they ALL do it), while electricity can be produced almost anywhere on the planet today using green sources.

    Plastics, as you know them today, are mostly polymers.

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    1. Re:Polymers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plastics, as you know them today, are mostly polymers.

      They are polymers. Today, yesterday, tomorrow.
      Go study some engineering.

    2. Re:Polymers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, engineering must be the greatest profession in the world if everyone around here says to "go study" it.

      But seriously, what engineering or other course load would I take if I wanted to be a materials scientist?

    3. Re:Polymers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No more book burnings.

      Just big spray parties.

  22. And very heavy too! by h00pla · · Score: 1
    I just bought Cradle to Cradle which is one of these books. Very heavy book - made my carry-on luggage go over weight requirements on my last trip!

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  23. Some thoughts by X-BOX+LIVE+DEV+TEAM · · Score: 0, Troll

    1. Books are a declining phenomenon, so this new technology is irrelevant
    a. Computer technology has nearly rendered books obsolete
    i. E-books, electronic text, and the ease of creating HTML pages has changed information transfer, storage, and downloading/processing forever
    b. No one gets a lot of fluids on magazines, books, or any print.
    i. This all seems like a fix for something that's not broken
    c. The only folks who still read books are not the type who have to worry about ruining them with spilled milk, bathtub water, or any other liquid substance

    1. Re:Some thoughts by MacOS_Rules · · Score: 1

      You say this as if you didn't have kids.

      oh wait....

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    2. Re:Some thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Books are a declining phenomenon, so this new technology is irrelevant... ...Computer technology has nearly rendered books obsolete

      Riiiight. Try snuggling up with a laptop, or even a Palm. Not to mention the eyestrain from current day lackluster viewing technology.

      E-books, electronic text, and the ease of creating HTML pages has changed information transfer, storage, and downloading/processing forever...

      Storage? Sure. Day to day print? Sure. Books? Again, riiiiiiiight.

      No one gets a lot of fluids on magazines, books, or any print.

      Hookay. No one ever gets dirty, either. Ever. Save water - don't shower! You don't need it!

      This all seems like a fix for something that's not broken.

      I can't argue that, really.

      The only folks who still read books are not the type who have to worry about ruining them with spilled milk, bathtub water, or any other liquid substance

      I'd call you a troll, but given your Slashdot user name, I'm actually afraid that you might really believe this.

    3. Re:Some thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pages that don't rip = a great invention.

      And, how can you say books are obsolete? Until display technology creates a screen that doesn't require refreshing and has pixel sizes in the micron range, how can you even compare the quality? Sure, electronic paper will eventually become standard fare, but it's still going to cost considerably more than good old wood pulp (or inorganic plastic resin).

      Books are beautiful. They require no document interpreter, no power source, no digital rights management, no spyware, flash inserts and popup advertisements, no broken file headers, no upgrades and ports to ensure future usability, and you can HOLD THEM IN YOUR HANDS. They're tactile.

      As for waterproofing, what about reading by the pool, on the beach, during a relaxing bubble bath? What about other benifits, such as newspapers and mail delivered in sleet and rain? Or kiosk phone books? City maps? Field journals?

      Me, I buy books by the bundle and read all the time. Zero download queues, traffic bottlenecks, CRC failures, program crashes, and end user agreements.

      Books rule!

    4. Re:Some thoughts by pVoid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Wow, if you say books are obsolete, you've probably never read one.

      Manuals may be obsolete. I would never exchange the feel of touching paper when reading a novel with the eye strain of staring at a screen for litterally days.

      Bah, I hope you're not really on the X-Box dev team.

    5. Re:Some thoughts by squireofgothos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Books are a declining phenomenon? Quick, someone tell Barnes & Noble to start selling books on smart media!

      Whassat? You DON'T have an e-book reader? what kind of troglodyte are you??? =)

      As to spilling, I wish I could say all of my books are stain free, but for the most part, they've all got at least one coffee stain on them...

      The flip side of that is, they're all still readable. Not that it matters, since I can always go to the nearest bookstore and get a new copy. Ain't capitalism grand? =)

      Finally, if we ever do go to completely electronic forms of books, what would fundamentlists have to burn???

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    6. Re:Some thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      got a good hint for you... your Xbox Live is going to die horribly...

      PS-2 online. 100% FREE no charges to play, no charge for anything ... 100% free I can kill and maim all I want...for FREE

      Xbox... $9.95 a month...

      what complete idiot would even buy an Xbox now?

      I have sucessfully stopped 20 people this season from ever buying a Ex-box and to a Ps2 because of this.... so thanks! and be sure to tell your bosses that they are the stupidest people on the planet for making it a pay for play srevice :-)

      (but then I have yet to find anyone at Microsoft that wasn't dumb as a box of rocks...)

    7. Re:Some thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS-2 online. 100% FREE no charges to play, no charge for anything ... 100% free I can kill and maim all I want...for FREE

      PS2 is made by Sony. The evil company that sells all the broken CDs. The same company that sells crippled miniDisc players (from some incomprehensible reason, they now only work with pre-installed versions of windows, not linux, and not even retail versions of windows). They also cause serious problems actually transfering data from CD to miniDisc. Even if I buy a Sony CD, there is no good way to get the songs into the Sony MD player.

      Take a look at the media you're stuck using if you buy a sony digital camera

      Sony is by far the worst element of the RIAA. Compared to Sony, Hilary Rosen moderate. They even manage make MS look like the good guys. I would much rather have an X-Box than a PS2. The $10/month MS is worth it to avoid giving a cent to Sony.

      With any luck the 20 people you've tricked into buying a PS2 will kill and maim you when they realize that Sony is evil and is suddenly introducing a $20/month fee when they have enough hostages (customers), so they can no longer afford to kill and maim on their crappy PS2.

  24. Farmers Almanac by Cyno01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thats why the farmers almanac has a hole in the corner, to put it on a string in the outhouse.

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  25. I am sooooooo tired of plastic!!! by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is it that I feel I am the only person that cringes whenever a new plastic product is released? Bear with me here: I'm not a vegetarian, I don't belong to any save-the-whatever clubs (tho maybe I should), and I drink from my share of plastic coke bottles; but I try to recycle them, recycle my shopping bags, etc.

    BUT I realize that some day, all this plastic will catch up with us. Take these new Saran (?) cutting sheets. Use them, then just throw them away. I HATE that phrase. It's morally repugnant to me. Use, then RECYCLE!!!! Anybody who can take pride in using something, then "throw[ing] it away" is really, really ignorant. Would you feel right about using something, then throwing it in a pile in your back yard, pretending you'll never have to deal with it? Every time you throw away something made of plastic or metal or anything else non-biodegradable, you are demonstrating your ignorance. I do it, you do it, we all do it sometimes. Asking for a total change is unreasonable and unrealistic. But trying to recycle more and more is the way to go. And new plastic products are inexcusable that are explicitly suggested to just be thrown away, and reprehensible.

    1. Re:I am sooooooo tired of plastic!!! by transient · · Score: 1

      Well said, and I agree. However, I think the point of these books is that you'll never throw them away.

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    2. Re:I am sooooooo tired of plastic!!! by shepd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You do know that not a while ago Reader's Digest had an interesting article about recycling, and how the amount of energy put into recycling certain materials (they covered pop cans and milk bottles, but I'm sure it applies to plastic) comes from places that, when worked out, pollute more per item recycled than the original manufacturer did making it.

      So, next time you throw all your stuff into the recycling bin, think not only of how great it will be that the landfill is half the size, but of much smog you might, or might not produce.

      >Every time you throw away something made of plastic or metal or anything else non-biodegradable, you are demonstrating your ignorance.

      Dude, it's really not a good way to get people on your side to call them ignorant. As you can see, I've reasearched this issue, and, depending on how the city gets its power, sometimes I'd rather just crush the can and throw it in the trash.

      It all depends on what the source of energy is and the efficiency level of the recycling plant as to wether it's worth it or not. And sometimes it isn't. Although aluminum recycling isn't a bad bet, sometimes plastics and glass aren't worth the effort.

      FWIW, recycling aluminum is about 95% efficient (always worth the effort), plastic between 30% and 80% efficienct (I suppose the tech. is still pretty new for this), glass about 20% to 30% efficient, and paper about the same.

      In other words, if that plastic bottle was made by hydro-power, or another "good" source of power, yet your city runs on coal/gas power, do your lungs a favour and throw the thing away.

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    3. Re:I am sooooooo tired of plastic!!! by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And what's worse, is alot of plastic isn't recyclable.

      You have a yogurt container that says #1, and a green plastic strawberry container which also says #1, but they are actually two different kinds of plastic.

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    4. Re:I am sooooooo tired of plastic!!! by sparrow_hawk · · Score: 1

      And then there's my mom, who washes her plastic silverware after each picnic...

      Whatever works, I guess! (I agree with you, by the by, it's just always seemed somewhat... ironic.)

    5. Re:I am sooooooo tired of plastic!!! by mamba-mamba · · Score: 1

      Actually, the last time I checked, both aluminum and glass containers were VERY recycleable, in the sense that recycling them results in huge energy savings.

      All other materials are highly questionable. When they "recycle" plastics, they mean, for example, that they shred them up and use them for filling outdoor furniture cushions or making synthetic building materials (for plastic fences and faux wood 2x4's and so on). They don't recycle plastic milk jugs into new milk jugs.

      Steel (sometimes called tin) cans are not recycled in any meaningful way at all. I would suggest crushing them and keeping them in your own back yard, as some day they may be valuable to your progeny or your progeny's progeny.

      MM
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    6. Re:I am sooooooo tired of plastic!!! by fermion · · Score: 1
      Why is it that I feel I am the only person that cringes whenever a new plastic product is released? Bear with me here: I'm not a vegetarian, I don't belong to any save-the-whatever clubs (tho maybe I should)

      I am sooo tired of people pushing their own pet agendas and then trying to gain credibility by disrespecting others' causes. That is sooo uncool. It like being of a lame high school student that needs to beat up smaller kids to compensate for a pathetic life and simple mind.

      I am glad that you feel that perhaps, one of these days, you might time out of your busy schedule to save something other than your own ass. I mean really, you don't even want to inconvenience yourself by not eating meat or trying to improve the world, but you want to dictate what corporation can and cannot do with their technologies.

      I don't mean to be mean, but when you are trying to be radical, and start insulting other radicals, you pretty much leave yourself open to this sort of thing. I was really be sarcastic and nice. You should be more careful in the future. If you cause is just, you don't need to disrespect other people. That is the lesson we need to learn in the US.

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    7. Re:I am sooooooo tired of plastic!!! by PD · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. Instead of putting carbon into a form that is relatively stable and benign (plastic) we've got to put that carbon into the fuel tanks of our SUV's and get it into the air as quickly as possible.

      We're not going to get off our asses and colonize the galaxy unless our home isn't quite so comfy. And making relatively safe plastics isn't going to screw Earth up nearly fast enough!

      DON'T USE PLASTIC! BURN THE OIL INSTEAD! TO THE STARS!

    8. Re:I am sooooooo tired of plastic!!! by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

      I feel this way about blister packaging that a lot of electronic items come in. I detest it. For starters, you can't store objects in them like you can cardboard boxes. Next, if you open them and the product is defective, it's a pain to return to the store. Lastly, they're farking impossible to open.

      I would rather see companies ship the product unpackaged altogether with just a sticker on it or a hook to hang it on a shelf instead of all these damned blister packs.

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      Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
    9. Re:I am sooooooo tired of plastic!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I don't belong to any save-the-whatever clubs (tho maybe I should)"

      You should join my club, the save-the-"ugh"-at-the-end-of-"though" association.

  26. Pron drives technology! by twiztidlojik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course. Pr0n is the catalyst.
    Examples:

    VHS: easily distributed pr0n.

    Business over the web: pr0n sites.

    CD-ROM: easily disseminated pr0n from said sites.

    And now, waterproof magazines: Wank-proof pages = fewer ruined magazines.

    Waterproof keyboards: no sticky keys!

    It's rather prevalent in the modern society(>mid70's) that pr0n is the first or one of the first things transferred in the new medium.

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    1. Re:Pron drives technology! by Artifex · · Score: 2

      Don't forget that a major consumer push for bandwidth has been for streaming (steaming?) video, alongside warez and mp3s. And what kind of video? Not CNN News or ESPN Sports or a movie rental website, that's for sure!

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    2. Re:Pron drives technology! by SirCrashALot · · Score: 1

      I picked up a spill proof keyboard at comp-usa. (But only because it was free)

    3. Re:Pron drives technology! by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 2

      Waterproof keyboards: no sticky keys!

      Well, since you made me remember it, I'll share.
      Back in high-school autoshop we had a computer for tech-manuals. Of course greasy fingers and keyboards are a problem. But, some inventive person had come up with a solution, a plastic key cover. Which we all called:
      A keyboard condom.
      Sticky key problem solved.

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  27. The Point by jACL · · Score: 4, Informative

    is to make a book that can be recycled indefinitely, unlike paper, which can only make it one or two times through the recycling process. See the Slashdot review of the book that started this idea: Cradle to Cradle.

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    1. Re:The Point by Radical+Rad · · Score: 2

      It has been explained to me that plastics also have some sort of recycling limit. I can't remember why though. Probably something to do with crosslinked polymers. I think we'll see more and more of this plastic paper though. It will be the stepping stone between paper and e-paper.

    2. Re:The Point by alienw · · Score: 2

      You can't recycle plastic at all. You can burn it, but you can't recycle it any better than paper. Recycled plastic, at best, can be used to make some solid park benches or something, but it can't be re-used as plastic. Besides, plastic can't grow out of the ground, unlike trees. You have to make it from oil.

    3. Re:The POINT by mumkin · · Score: 2

      You can keep textbooks for schoolchildren for more years.

      In my experience, schoolbooks are kept too long as it is (or they were when I was a nipper). The slow yet reliable processes of juvenile destruction might just be the only thing that insures schools ever upgrade to new texts.

      Think of the Children!

    4. Re:The Point by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Big deal, so a book can only make it through once or twice, as a book. However, it can be burned and the carbon released, it will eventually find its way back into trees, and be made into books again.

      It's not like we cut down old growth to make paper, at this point paper is all (or almost all) made from trees grown for the purpose. Then you do get into the issues of soil depletion and erosion, and they are real issues, but you didn't even raise them. Actually, a great deal of low-quality paper (such as that found in paperback books) is actually a "wood byproduct", meaning it's made out of sawdust.

      Plastic is cool stuff, it's good for a lot of things, but I think the actual point here is to make a more versatile book. There have been relatively few advances in book technology in the last hundred years, I think that's a fairly safe statement. Printing has come a long way, and book binding I am sure is cheaper and more efficient but what we have is basically a bunch of paper glued together, and the e-book which doesn't even do all the things a paper book does yet, a totally different approach to the same basic problem which nonetheless has plenty of shortcomings.

      The primary point is (I hope) to make a waterproof book. Any benefits from the fact that it happens to be made out of plastic are, I think, incidental. If not, it's a solution looking for a problem, and not quite finding one.

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  28. And now.... by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2

    the porn mag that can also be used as a prophylactic! Isn't this incredible folks?
    But wait, there's more. Order now and you'll also receive this free ginsu knife....

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  29. Your book falls out of the bass boat. by rapidweather · · Score: 1

    You paddle back to where it is floating, and pick it up, none the worse for the wear.

  30. Do not console yourself by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2

    Half the time they just dump the plastic from the recycle bins in the landfill with all the other garbage. Seriously. People want a 'plastic recycling program'. It costs too much to actually recycle so...

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    1. Re:Do not console yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      back this up how?

    2. Re:Do not console yourself by treat · · Score: 2

      http://www.greatlakesdirectory.org/ny/070102_recyc ling.htm
      "In the case of plastic and glass, the fact of the matter was that it was phenomenally expensive and most of it ended up being dumped in a landfill anyway."

    3. Re:Do not console yourself by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

      "Half the time they just dump the plastic from the recycle bins in the landfill with all the other garbage. Seriously. People want a 'plastic recycling program'. It costs too much to actually recycle so..."

      I don't care if it costs more. I'm sure there are a lot of opinions, and it just very well might cost more. But it needs to be done. And not doing it because it might not get recycled is ludicrous. It's like never donating to a worthy cause because the money might not all go to what you think it goes to. A little is better than none.

    4. Re:Do not console yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've never meta-moderated an 'overrated' comment "

      Congratulations. Want a fucking cookie?
      What's your point?

  31. Useful outdoors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hikers' and climbers' guide books are perfect candidates. I'd pay extra for one, especially since the pages sound more durable than plain paper. Even if it never gets wet it should last much longer.

  32. Just what the world needs. by AugstWest · · Score: 2

    Another petroleum-based product. Whenever people think about our dependency on foreign oil, they talk about cars and gaas mileage, but noone ever mentions the bazillions of plastics and polymers that wouldn't exist without a constant supply of petroleum.

    1. Re:Just what the world needs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's OK. Old Bush is going to have a wee war to solve that problem. Won't be foreign oil when you win.

  33. Same thing with building. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have 'fake' wood now. It doesn't look that much like plastic, and it can be cut/drilled/etc. just like real wood for the most part.

    Now they're doing something similar for books, eh?

    I'm not sure how to feel. On one hand, I love the feeling of real paper. On the other, this would surely stop book burning whackos, as we could just sick the eco-nuts on them for releasing toxins and such. ;)

  34. Drop that book! by medscaper · · Score: 2
    From the article : "If you masturbate in the bathtub, that's part of the idea -- even though it doesn't say it in the promotional material," Mohanraj said. "If you get distracted, it's not so bad to drop the book in the bathtub."

    So...are they talking the "Oh-face" dropping of the book or the "OHMYGODWHATAREYOUDOINGINHERE?!?!" dropping of the book?

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  35. Probably not for Archival Books by jmcharry · · Score: 1

    I doubt the material has they staying power of acid free paper, which can last for hundreds of years with proper storage. Likely anything printed on this new material will be lost in a few decades.

  36. THis would be great for... (not just porn) by SaturnTim · · Score: 2


    I would love to see this on travel guides, books with maps on them, and service manuals for cars.

    The last one assumes it can handle a little grease as well.

    --T

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  37. Cumproof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sweet, this means my Penthouse mags wont be sticky anymore! weeee!

    1. Re:Cumproof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aim damn-it aim.

  38. repeat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot has already reviewed a Durabook. Which, BTW, is recyclable just the same as milk jugs and yogurt containers.
    http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl? sid=02/06/03/ 1245253&mode=thread&tid=134

  39. The REAL Use... by limekiller4 · · Score: 2

    From the article:
    The Durabooks technology allows for another way to tire your hand while taking a bath with an erotica book. "If you masturbate in the bathtub, that's part of the idea -- even though it doesn't say it in the promotional material," Mohanraj said. "If you get distracted, it's not so bad to drop the book in the bathtub." Mohanraj said the book's pages withstand not only bath water, but also bodily fluids and sex oils. Wine, however, will stain the pages.

    I'm not even going to sully this visual with my own commentary.

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  40. HP Tough Paper by ArkiMage · · Score: 1

    Sounds like this "paper" which is mostly plastic. http://www.hp.ca/catalog/supplies/supplies_details .php?sku=Q1298A&LANGUAGE=en

  41. Waterproof notebooks by paiute · · Score: 2

    Lots of lab equipment suppliers sell waterproof lab notebooks made from polyproplyene paper. I bought a ream of the loose stuff several years ago that I cut into small squares and use as labels on bottles that might get wet on storage in freezers. The paper looks like the pulp-based stuff, but you can't feed it throught a laser printer or copier or it will melt on the hot roller.

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    1. Re:Waterproof notebooks by mtec · · Score: 3, Funny

      but you can't feed it throught a laser printer or copier or it will melt on the hot roller.

      Did you learn this how I think you learned it?

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  42. books aren't dying. by _outcat_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They just need to get better.

    When I was a little kid I thought about this (when you're a little kid and have to take baths because you're not big enough to use the shower? right.) Why not make a waterproof book, so you can read in the tub?

    But seriously. Books are not on their way out, by any means. I know tablet PC's and PDAs are improving so that maybe someday everyone will curl up with a good book electronically, but not everyone wants to do that. The feel of a book, the texture of the paper, its portability and durability is just something that not a lot of people can match with an electronic text source. Argue as you will--portable electronic devices are just not that widespread yet.

    I read a fascinating book by Neal Gershenfeld, "When Things Start to Think". It's about not just making cool new technology--it's about making that technology more accessible, less daunting, making computers serve you instead of you serving computers. He proposed an interesting idea--why not make an actual book computer? People are familiar with the book's interface. Those who have problems reading text on a monitor would have no difficulty with the familiar ink-on-paper interface.

    Picture this: start with a durable cover of some sort, maybe tough molded plastic (with LEDs. I like LEDs.) Insert inside this cover enough pages of membrane to make it heft and feel like a book. This membrane is textured to look and feel like paper, and is almost as thin, but it's not paper. Think "really thin electronically controlled Magna-doodle."

    Particles (like toner particles) can be controlled with electromagnets to form text on the "pages." You could download entire copies of classics and have the "book" display them--just like a normal book. And you wouldn't even need some 1200 pages to read the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy--you could have maybe only 50 pages, and have the text "cycle" so that once you're done with the first 50 pages, the next 50 appear on the same pages.

    You could even edit the text as you see it with a pen or keyboard interface. For in-the-dark perusal the pages could be backlit or another lighting source could be part of the book.

    I think this is a fabulously cool idea. Say what you will about electronic text--the book isn't going anywhere soon, and why not augment it with the power we already have?

    Just my $0.02 USD.

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    1. Re:books aren't dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when you're a little kid and have to take baths because you're not big enough to use the shower? right.

      Why aren't you big enough to use the shower? As long as you can stand upright, you should be able to take a shower... Are you talking little in the evolutionary sense?
      This post is completely off topic.

    2. Re:books aren't dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read The Diamond Age, didja?

    3. Re:books aren't dying. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2
      Paper books suck. The only real advantages they have over ebooks are that they are rugged, you can annotate with a pencil, and they are here now.

      On the other hand an electronic text is (potentially) device independent, (sometimes) backlit, and it is searchable. I don't know if ebook devices annotate or not; they ought to if they don't. Perhaps some do?

      The e-paper as you describe it will almost take nanoscale engineering to pull off. It might be possible using some sort of intelligent deposits in the paper and with some sort of intelligent binding which can remember the state of each row on the page, spitting the information into the page sideways to reprogram it, but once the paper becomes too creased it will stop working. The current e-paper requires a conductive grid behind the page, and I seem to recall it was about 150 dpi, which is not quite good enough; I think somewhere around 300 is really the reasonable limit. I want to avoid eye strain. On a LCD screen your eye can pick out the individual pixels (I hope it can anyway) but fuzzy letters tend to annoy.

      Honestly we'll be better off with a PDA in a light alloy case, with a large color display, and some future battery technology. Perhaps fuel cells or microturbines, or... well who knows what else. But I think we'll be able to pull the star trek-style PADD off long before we have self-reprinting 50 page ebooks which are inexpensive and effective.

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    4. Re:books aren't dying. by Jordy · · Score: 2

      E-paper created by MIT a couple years ago is basically what you describe, but uses negatively charged black particles suspended in laminated plastic. Apparently they can transfer it to pretty much any surface including real paper.

      They spun off a company called E-ink which sells their products to a couple retail chains for changable signs. There is a description of the technology here.

      I'm pretty sure this was covered by slashdot (or maybe wired) a couple years back.

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    5. Re:books aren't dying. by arkanes · · Score: 2

      Lots of people prefer the form factor of a book for reading. I certainly do - I don't like to read large volumes of text on screen. On top of that, there's the whole "dropping it in the bathtub" factor. And all the e-book he mentions would require would be a mini-computer in the spine and miniaturized version of today's e-paper.

    6. Re:books aren't dying. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2
      The dropping it in the bathtub factor would be irrelevant if people were building electronics to last, instead of being disposable. Mostly it is the cases and the I/O which have to improve to make truly long-lasting equipment. A PDA with a totally sealed, cast or milled metal case which communicated only via IR and charged through induction would be basically bulletproof. You could make it out of a magnesium alloy with a seam sealed similarly to that of an iButton; With a UV-resistant plastic. In fact you could communicate with it like an iButton if the front and back of the case were not shorted together. That nicely solves the waterproofing issue if you add some kind of appropriate membrane over the screen.

      There's no fix for preferring the form of a book, but screens are getting dramatically better. With a PDA-like device you could have the large sheet of e-paper in it on top of the requisite conductive grid (for today's tech) and use sidelighting with the special screen...

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  43. Waterproof books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yay! I can FINALLY read books in the shower... seriously... don't you usually read in dry environments? Is spilled-drink insurance really worth it?

  44. Lost in Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It makes me think of the movie "Lost In Space"

    WEST
    Every schoolchild knows our recycling technologies will save the environment. Sending a family across the galaxy is a publicity stunt to sell soda to people of all ages.

    GENERAL
    What I am about to tell you is classified. Every schoolchild has been lied to. The recycling technologies have failed. In less than two decades Earth will be unable to support human life.

  45. Bathtop computer by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 2

    Books are great, but what I want is a bathtop computer.

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  46. Haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because you do not read books doesn't mean there's about a zillion who does... Books are excellent. If you want tips, check out Aldous Huxley: Brave New World or George Orwell: 1984 or Ray Bradbury: Fahrenheit 451. All those gems are now more relevant than ever!

    I'd rather have one good book than 10 lousy sites with information which won't be there after 4 months, with information which is obscured with banners, with information which can change at will without a trace. Electronic information has its place, yes, but until we have all material currently in print available in electronic form, and we get "permanent" storage (which lasts over 400 years), books will not be going away. YMMW.

    But still, plastic books: well, maybe for some special occasion.

  47. Saudis rejoice by gmhowell · · Score: 1

    Oh, goody, more reasons to be dependent on oil. What, you thought those plastic resins came from the plastic resin fairy? Nope. AFAIK (and I could be very wrong) those resins come out of the ground in the form of crude oil.

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  48. I could have a waterproof book... by mtec · · Score: 2

    I'll put my iPod in a Ziplock. The last 5 books I've 'read' were on my iPod (dl'ed from from audible.com)

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  49. Fireproof Books by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 4, Funny

    Vanderbilt University Library's rare books collection used to have a copy of Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 printed on asbestos . I don't know if they still have it as they probably threw it away in the current asbestos hysteria. It was there in 1977 anyway.

  50. Waterproof-ness not the point by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2, Insightful


    I just read the article and it seems to miss the whole point of a Durabook. Waterproofness is more of a side benefit rather than a major selling point. The real advantage to these books is that they are totally recyclable. Not recyclable in the way that most plastics are, being "down cycled" until they hit the landfill, but directly recyclable back into the same product, a true recycle process.

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  51. Plastic books are endlessly recycleable by Logic+Bomb · · Score: 5, Informative
    Sadly, the Wired article totally misses the real point of plastic polymer-based books: the material can endlessly be turned into new books without any loss of material quality. Typically, "recycled" paper is "downcycled"; each time it gets remade it becomes more off-color, less usefully absorbent of ink, etc. With these plastic books, using either a chemical catalyst (which means the chemical is not wasted but recovered and useable again) or an extremely hot water bath (hotter than the tub at home), the plastic can be reliquidized, the ink separated, and a brand-new book created without harvesting new materials. This is extremely eco-efficient. Not to mention that the finished product, as Wired notes (sigh), is far more durable than the traditional paper format.

    About 7 months ago I did a book review for Slashdot of Cradle to Cradle by McDonough and Braungart. I believe it was the first commercially released book in this format by Melcher. (First sentence of the book: "This book is not a tree.")

    1. Re:Plastic books are endlessly recycleable by ore · · Score: 0
      And after I read your review, I immediately picked it up and digested its contents. Despite all the uses that people have pointed out (including pr0n) it seems that most others are missing the point of the recyclability that this technology will lead too.

      IIRC, the Cradle to Cradle book is a prototype book that still uses petroleum based polymers to create the 'paper' stock. Within the book however, they speak to the development of intelligent bio-polymers which can be designed to last for specific periods of time. Need a book to last 20 yr, 100 yr, 1000yr? No reason it couldn't be 20 minutes, or 20 seconds for that matter. Add to this specific processing environmentally inert reagents to recycle that 1000yr book in just a few minutes.

      When genetic engineering discussions appear on /. they generally center around the political/moral implications of animal cloning. Unfortunately, I haven't seen many discuss the possibilities of using genetically alterted plants for bio-fuel and bio-polymer development. Imagine hemp and bamboo that could produce 10x the normal amount of fiber and oils with the same nutrient requirements as unaltered plants. With this tech we could use the fiber for more important things and the oils could be used for making these bio-polymers which, of course, could be used to replace ALL petroleum based polymers.

      One last thing, IIRC the book also put forward the notion that wood pulp, virgin or recycled is too valuable of a resource to EVER be used to make books. Perhaps this technology could lead to a day when our collective perspective on oil is the same....too precious to be used in such a wasteful application as internal combustion.

    2. Re:Plastic books are endlessly recycleable by Sneftel · · Score: 2

      Interesting... so religious groups will have to go from book-burning to book-boiling. Not a bad change, IMO.

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    3. Re:Plastic books are endlessly recycleable by csnydermvpsoft · · Score: 2

      Interesting... so religious groups will have to go from book-burning to book-boiling. Not a bad change, IMO.

      Shouldn't be too hard - many have made the change when dealing with people already.

  52. A few comments on the "Paper" by kendric · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've had a number of experiences with this stuff over the years. Really cool stuff, but it doesn't act the way one thinks it should.

    One can't use pencils to write on it, it needs to be carved into from a pen. This means that inkjet printers do not work with this. It is made entirely of plastic, so photocopying/laser printing is impossible.

    The material is actually wicked strong, very high tensile strength and very ductile, but it is not impossible to tear. When it is torn, one can see multiple layers of material. The top layer is somewhat like a white powder, more of a matting that is anti-gloss that is used to repel the water. The next layer down is a glossy plastic. This is where the writing is adhered to, as well this layer is very thin. The final layer is a thick layer of plastic, used to make this paper very hard to tear and waterproof.

    A few interesting uses of this paper, if written on and covered in water, then let to dry on something the ink will bleed onto the other item. This allows photocoping of items onto objects around the house. This is not a good thing at most times, when the book is drying out, it had better not be touching anything or the other pages because the pages could swap ink.

    Kids love this stuff. They don't care what is on the paper, if you give them a sheet they will play with is for hours on end. (And if you have ever tried to keep a kid entertained for more than 8 minutes, yoou know how great this is) They love to get it wet, and see it dry in seconds. They like to try and tear it, since their fingers are not strong enough or smart enough to try a small tear and build on it, they just bend the plastic.

    This stuff is great, but does has its drawbacks. It is an awful lot like paper, but is hard to print on using normal printing techinques. Doesn't fold well, and is quite expensive. The ink tends to bleed if not stored properly, and due to the nature of the paper people love to try and break it either by soaking it or by tearing it. A few good points on the paper: very strong, waterproof, great entertainment, and one can't discount the wow factor of being able to dunk paper under water.

    1. Re:A few comments on the "Paper" by quintessent · · Score: 2

      If you're interested in a notebook you can write on with pencil in the middle of a rainstorm, take a look here.

      The company is near Seattle, of all places.

  53. What about the binding? by goatgirl · · Score: 1

    Sure the pages will be more durable, but will the binding last any longer? If the binding was good, I would love plastic pages for some of my often read books, that I am always replacing due to broken spines, and dog-eared pages getting ripped.

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  54. TOPO Maps by md17 · · Score: 2

    People have been doing this with topo maps for years. And they use recycled milk cartons for the plastic. So it is better for the environment than paper maps. Not much new here.

  55. Stretchy by sporty · · Score: 2
    .. stretch instead of tearing...


    Great. I see two problems. My books will have odd stretch marks making text funky.

    My second hand textbooks will be intentionally stretched as pranks by their prior owners.
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    1. Re:Stretchy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're buying 2nd hand books from a good reseller, they would check for damage before putting it on the shelf. Also as a buyer you should be checking for damage.

  56. Suggested use by Xaroth · · Score: 1

    I suspect that this will do wonders for those who read in the bathroom. Now, if you drop your book into the tub or the toilet, your book won't be destroyed. Of course, not knowing how much more this would cost than paper makes it difficult to say how widespread it would be. (Yeah, yeah, rtfa... I know. Kinda hard when it's down.)
    More likely, this will find its way into industrial manuals, so as to prevent damage in paper-hazardous environments.

  57. plastic books.. by coredumpman · · Score: 1

    Why plastic... why not just make E-Books. you can fit a book on a CD (which uses minimal plastic), or download from the Web to your HD.. EBooks are great, they are searchable, printable, and fit in a small space, and have minimal environmental impact to manufacture. I think plastic books are retarded... Gutenburg is dead people... time to move on to the electronic revolution, we are still stuck in the industrial revolution.

    1. Re:plastic books.. by Charcharodon · · Score: 1

      Cool idea, but it needs to be water proofed to (I like to scuba dive, but hate replacing flooded gear), and how about power? Not much good if you're batteries are always dead. Now if they could come up with a standard looking plastic book or pad that had solar collecting pages and cover (regular electricity isn't exactly enviro-friendly either), I'd be first in line, but reading books on a computer, laptop, or pda blows donkey balls.

  58. Thats called Mold by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    That 'old sent' is from the books rotting... heh

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  59. Sounds like a baby book to me by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1

    I'm picturing one of those baby books with the rattle and mini-horn built right into the page....

    Does it really feel like a paper book? Or a toy?

  60. Mary-Anne by Ian+Peon · · Score: 2

    Was a room-mate of mine when she edited that first anthology (Aqua Erotica). She does most of her work online and has quite the full web page here and talks about this book here. Note that she says "So far, I've had reports that the book is not proof against wine or beer, but stands up well to urine."

    Also note that this is erotica, not porn. The pictures are more artful than explicit. It generally appeals more to women than men.

  61. Not Exactly New by Pinball+Wizard · · Score: 3, Informative
    We've had a display of Aqua Erotica in our bookstore since it was published, over two years ago. For some reason, I thought the goldfish bowl was our idea(our display looks exactly like the one in this picture), but apparently not.

    Seeing as we've sold about two of these per month in the last couple of years, I'd hardly call this a revolution in publishing. Really, it just seems like another gimmick.

    With all the hoopla over e-books and print-on-demand books, both of which are better and more innovative ideas than the aqua book, they represent a small fraction of what people actually buy. I happen to prefer computer books in the electronic format, such as the O'Reilly bookshelves, but I'm in the distinct minority. Most people have a definite preference for the dead tree version, and thats something I don't see changing for a long time.

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    1. Re:Not Exactly New by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2

      Normally I prefer dead tree version because of poor indexing or navigation in E-Book form. It is also much easier to read a book looking down on a seperate page[than my monitor], one that isnt backlit or just plain throwing light at my eyes.
      If I had an E-Reader or something, I might use them, but the technology to deliver an enjoyable E-reading experience just isnt availible yet. Once we have E-Paper, I can just crack open a Tome of Everything, tape the corner of a page before I close the book, and always open right up to that page in the future. Then instead of actually turning the pages, I can just have the pages move around the book. E-Paper has the benifits of being electronic while still being able to be carried off to another room.

      I hope they make it waterproof.

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    2. Re:Not Exactly New by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have used waterproof books before, and they come in awfully handy in some situations. Try surveying a twenty acre plot of property in the rain with a regular notebook! They are useful for anyone who works in a high moisture area that needs to take exhaustive notes. For recreation they have plenty of uses as well: Bird watching, hunting, and mountain climbing to name a few. They also make more heavy duty notebooks and special pens for writing underwater, a priceless ability when scuba diving for fun or work -- anyone who has fumbled around with a grease pen and a plastic tablet knows that. Then you've got people like me who are ardent journalists, but also like walking in the rain. Nothing is more annoying than being 30 minutes from any sort of shelter with several paragraphs of thought you'd like to get down. There are also some field guides that are published as waterproof. It is kind of annoying when your survival guide gets drenched and ripped apart in the bottom of a backpack after a spill.

      The problem is that the process is typically much more expensive than making regular paper. Also, I haven't used this new stuff, but the old techniques produce very thick stock. The kind I use is actually made from tightly weaved textiles and laminates. This makes it okay for a 40 page technical notebook, but somewhat unweildy for larger volumes. You won't see anyone making "flood-proof" books on a large scale any time soon. They would be awfully heavy, bulky, and expensive. It would honestly just be cheaper to buy a second copy after the first one is destroyed.

      Also, you can jizz on it.

  62. This could be good for schools. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    Espectly for Text books that dont go out of date often. School books take a lot of abuse by student even Colege Students. Depending of fasion or stupid schools rules students cary multable books by there hands all days and they are those rainy days dropping into puddles. Or with back packs in a rush being put in the pack in the wrong way terring a page. Spilt Soda-Pop (Pick one of those words for your location) on the book during studieing and homework. With those books taking all this abuse and with them being able to take the abuse allows the books to be used for more year and for college students giving them a higher resale value at the end of the semester.

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  63. The POINT by Chris+Canfield · · Score: 2

    The point of waterproof books is so that you can read in the bathtub. Or read in the rain at a bus stop. You can keep textbooks for schoolchildren for more years. Durability, durability, durability. And that old book scent is mostly dust mites. While

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  64. That book is available used?! by algernon7 · · Score: 2, Funny
    I'm sorry...

    Even if the conditon is 'like new', I'm still not buying someone's old edition of 'Aqua Erotica: 18 Stories for a Steamy Bath'...

  65. my first thought was... by zogger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    .. my first thought was for "field guides" for the natural sciences. I have had a life long interest in wildcrafting and survival/preparedness issues, and durable waterproof books would be a *really good thing* for those subjects. Paper based books are too wussy and delicate for field use, and the semi-waterproof alternatives are very $pendy right now.

  66. Re:Sorry.. by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2

    E-Books are a lot less waterproof.

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  67. fa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool. Hope it catches on. I'm fond of reading computer programming texts while in the bathtub.

  68. How does printing work? by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How do you print on this stuff? Printing on a core sheet and then laminating or coating it has been used for decades, and that's no problem. Printing on the surface of plastic is hard. Most plastic containers have paper labels. Come up with a high-speed, good-quality process for printing on plastics and the packaging industry will rush to your door.

    1. Re:How does printing work? by foo12 · · Score: 1

      The reason adhesive paper labels are used on plastic packaging is because the packaging is molded/extruded; it's difficult to print on not because of the surface but because of the shape.

      Synthetic papers take ink quite readibly from most traditional processes.

    2. Re:How does printing work? by Animats · · Score: 2
      The reason adhesive paper labels are used on plastic packaging is because the packaging is molded/extruded; it's difficult to print on not because of the surface but because of the shape.

      Many containers are cylinders, but still have paper labels. Besides, with the right roller you can offset print on a walnut.

    3. Re:How does printing work? by foo12 · · Score: 1

      There is a significant difference between "easier" and "possible". It's possible to print directly on the packaging but it's easier just to run labels.

  69. Serious collector by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 2

    You mean they have things inside them?

    How do you cut through the Lucite shell?

    Comics too?

    Amazing!

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  70. Barnes and Noble up in flames by salientpoints · · Score: 1

    Waterproof books--the pyromaniacs' friend >=)

  71. Dumb Idea by rnturn · · Score: 2

    I don't know about anyone else, but I write in my books with pencil, pen, and highlighter to mark important sections, etc. This waterproof book would make that much, much harder to do unless I used a permanent marker. Though there are certainly some speciality applications for this -- I'm sure that mariners will love that their shipboard library is much safer -- just what's the purpose of a waterproof book anyway? For the general public, that is. (Of course, I'm sure all the numbnuts that have made posts about pr0n will have to reply.)

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  72. This is news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whitewater river guide books have been available in waterproof editions for at least a couple decades, for reasons that folks with "keyboard disability" may have difficulty understanding... Get enough reality and you won't have to jerk off to get some sleep.

  73. Finally by RockyJSquirel · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    records then cassettes then cds then audio dvds...
    vhs then dvd...

    Finally they came up with a new format to make us buy all of our books over again.

    I remember hearing about this in Japan a while ago. An English work book was printed on this stuff and came with a grease pencil so that you could do your school work in the bathtub.

    It may cost twice as much, but now I can study in the bathtub...

    Rocky J. Squirrel

    1. Re:Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no! We'll have to buy all our books again! Look at me doing so.

  74. rip-off! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mohanraj said the book's pages withstand not only bath water, but also bodily fluids and sex oils. Wine, however, will stain the pages.

    what good is a bathtub jerk if I can't enjoy a glass of wine during it?

  75. except by commodoresloat · · Score: 2
    Yeah but according to the article:


    Mohanraj said the book's pages withstand not only bath water, but also bodily fluids and sex oils. Wine, however, will stain the pages.

    So they're not really stain-resistant; I imagine other things will stain the pages while cooking. It looks like these were made with one principle purpose, and it wasn't cooking. (Note that one of the books in the article is an erotica collection).

  76. Not just water-proof! by CharterTerminal · · Score: 1

    Presumably a plastic book would be coffee-proof, mud-puddle-proof, and spaghetti-sauce-proof, as well. If you can't see the use of a book like this, then you're obviously not as clumsy as I am.

  77. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So true.....

  78. one use... by Jafa · · Score: 2

    I've heard a lot of people post about uses in very dirty environments (autoshops, airplane hangers, etc), but another use I know of is scuba diving. Specifically, technical divers will bring paperback books with them so the have something to pass the time during decompression stops, which can last 4 hours or more. Paperback books work fine but only one-way: they bring em down, and read them underwater while tearing out and tossing pages as they read. But once you bring them to the surface, the book is useless- the thin paper is impossible to separate.

    Now, I don't see a large market out there just for tech divers. But there could be some very handy things for everyday divers, for which there's a large market.

    J

  79. Already using it by The+Tyro · · Score: 2


    Talk to any military or police sniper, and ask to see their rifle data/log book (they ALL have one. If they don't, you are probably talking to a wanna-be). Odds are, it'll be printed on waterproof paper.

    Check out this website if you really MUST have one of your very own: Check the store/accessories section

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  80. Tyvek Books by N8F8 · · Score: 2

    Even back in the 1980's the military was using Tyvek from DuPont for important operating manuals. Really tough stuff, stain resistant and tough to tear.

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  81. water-proof books make good sellers by mayns · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I know the title is gramatically painful, but bear with me.

    I work in a bookstore, and the Aqua Erotica books mentioned in the article have sold very well for us. When the books first arrived this summer, we at the store thought the whole concept of having a water-proof book was interesting and decided to test it out. We took a small round fishbowl and filled it with water, submerging the book inside. This was left on the counter right in front of the register, and resulted in many impulse buys. The buyers tended to be owners of pools, hottubs, or the kind of people who spend a lot of time in the tub. Now we have another series of waterproof books on display, and these are scaled and shaped like a bar of soap, so they fit right into the soap dish in your tub.

    I think that the waterproof book idea has the potential to really take off. I wouldn't be suprised to see that populist paperback fare known as "beach books" being offered in waterproof form in a few years. Not the entire printing, but waterproof books might fill a niche with a size and scope comperable to that of large-print books.

  82. aircraft checklists by eagl · · Score: 2

    The aircraft checklists I've been using for the last few years are no longer printed on paper, rather a material that sounds just like this. It can be written on, is slightly flame resistant, is water and oil resistant, and it tears/cuts like plastic (stretches unless you cut it first.)

    We've probably saved a few million bucks going to this stuff in addition to saving trees and not having to buy hundreds of thousands of plastic page protectors that we used to need. Except for not being able to use it for toilet paper in extreme cases of airborn intestinal distress (ewww), I haven't found any drawbacks to the stuff.

  83. New word for new paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're going to have to make up a new word to describe what happens to crap novels that don't sell. They can no longer "pulp" 200,000 copies of Mills and Boon, no-one buys that crap anymore.. instead they'd have to be "depolymerised"? -Doesn't really have the same ring to it does it? :)

  84. Hot Tub Reading by technoCon · · Score: 1

    I love to read and I love to soak in the hot tub. This is a wonderful thing. You can't really relax with a good book when you're afraid that too much relaxation will result in a dunked, icky book.

    I can't wait to get all my fave penny-dreadfuls in this format.

  85. Disaster Recovery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Water is only one type of disaster. These books are not safe from fire http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2558655.stm

  86. For the naysayers to read. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Excerpt from
    • Cradle to Cradle
    by William McDonough:

    "This material is not only waterproof, extremely durable, and (in many localities) recyclable by conventional means; it is also a prototype for the book as a 'technical nutrient,' that is, a product that can be broken down and circulated infinitely in idustrial cycles-- made and remade as 'paper' or other products. [...] It represents one step toward a radically different approach to designing and producing the objects we use and enjoy, an emerging movement we see as the next industrial revolution."

    "Here's a tale of three books.
    The first is familiar. It is about five inches by eight, compact, and pleasant to hold. Dark ink makes a crisp impression on the creamy paper. It has a colorful jacket and a sturdy cardboard cover. In many respects, it is an intelligently conceived object, designed--as were its very similar predecessors, hundreds of years ago--with portability and durability in mind. Hundreds of users may check it out of the library. They take it to bed, on the train, to the beach.
    Yet attractive, functional, and durable as it is, the book will not last forever--nor, if it is "beach reading," do we nessesarily expect it to. What happens when it is discarded? The paper came from trees, so natural diversity and soils have already been depleted to keep us in reading matter. Paper is biodegradable, but the inks that printed so crisply on the paper and created the striking image on the jacket contain carbon black and heavy metals. The jacket is not really paper, but an amalgam of materials--wood pulp, polymers, and coatings, as well as inks, heavy metals, and halogenated hydrocarbons. It cannot be safely composted, and if it is burned, it produces dioxins, some of the most dangerous cancer-causing material ever created by humans.
    Enter book number two. It too is rather familiar to contemporary eyes. It has the usual book shape and format, but the paper--a dull beige-- is thin and porous. It has no jacket, and the cover, like the inside, is printed in a single shade of ink. It may seem a little drab, but it has a humble, "earth-friendly" look that is instantly recognizable to the environmentally minded. And indeed the book is a product of a concerted attempt to be eco-efficient [note: this term is explained earlier as being the equivelent of "less bad", and is used in near-contempt]. It is printed on recycled paper--hence the beige--with soy-based inks. In addition, its designers strove to "dematerialize," to use less of everything; witness the thin, uncoated text stock and the absence of a jacket. Unfortunately, the ink shows through the flimsy paper, and tthe lack of contrast between ink and page strains the eyes. The skimpy binding is a little weak to boot. The book isn't exactly reader-friendly-- Good thing it's eco-friendly.
    Or is it?
    Its designers thought long and hard about what kind of paper to use; every choice had drawbacks. Initially they thought chlorine-free paper might be a good way to go, because they knew that chlorine presents a serious problem for ecosystems and human health (by creating dioxins, for example). But they discovered that totally chlorine-free paper required virgin pulp, because any recycled paper in the mix would already have been bleached. In fact, paper made from any kind of wood pulp probably contains some chlorine, because chlorinated salt occurs naturally in trees. What a quandary: pollute rivers or chew up forests. They ended up choosing paper with the greatest recycled content, avoiding what to their minds would be a greater offense. Soy-based inks posed another dilemma, because they might include halogenated hydrocarbons or other toxins that become bioavailable in these water-soluble eco-friendly inks than they would be in conventional solvent-based inks. For acceptable durability, the cover was coated, so it isn't recyclable with the rest of the book, and because of it's already high recycled content, the paper's fibers have about reached the limits of further use. Once again, being less bad proves to be a fairly unappealing option, practically, aesthetically, and environmentally.
    Imagine if we were to rethink the entire concept of a book, considering not only the practicalities of manufacture and use but the pleasures that might be brought to both. Enter book three, the book of the future.
    Is it an electronic book? Perhaps--that form is still in its infancy. Or perhaps it takes another form as yet unimagined by us. But many people find the form of the traditional book both convenient and delightful. What if we reconceived not the shape of the object but the materials of which it is made, in the context of its relationship to the natural world? How could it be a boon to both people and the enviroment?
    We might begin by considering whether paper itself is the proper vehicle for reading matter. Is it fitting to write our history on the skin of fish with the blood of bears, to echo writer Margaret Atwood? Let's imagine a book that is not a tree. It is not even paper. Instead, it is made of plastics developed around a completely different paradigm for materials, polymers that are infinitely recyclable at the same level of quality--that have been designed with their future life formost in mind, rather than as an awkward afterthought. This "paper" doesn't require cutting down trees or leaching chlorine into waterways. The inks are nontoxic and can be washed off the polymer with a simple and safe chemical process or an extremely hot water bath, from either of which they can be recovered and reused. The cover is made from a heavier grade of the same polymer as the rest of the book, and the glues are made of compatible ingrediants, so that once the materials are no longer needed in their present form, the entire book can be reclaimed by the publishing industry in a simple one-step process.
    Nor is the readers pleasure and convenience an afterthought to environmentally responsible design. The pages are white and have a sensuous smoothness, and unlike recycled paper, they will not yellow with age. The ink won't rub off on the reader's fingers. Although its next life has already been imagined, this book is durable enough to last for many generations. It's even waterproof, so you can read it not as a badge of austerity--and not only for its content--but for its sheer tactile pleasure. It celebrates its materials rather than apologizing for them. Books become books become books over and over again, each incarnation a sparkling new vehicle for fresh images and ideas. Form follows not just function but the evolution of the medium itself, in an endlessly propagating spirit of the printed word.
    The assignment that leads to the design of this book is to tell a story within the very molocules of its pages. Not the old tale of damage and despair, but one of abundance and renewal, human creativity and possibility. And although the book you hold in your hands is not yet that book, it is a step in that direction, a beginning to the story.
    We did not design this book. After years of analyzing and testing polymers to replace paper, we were delighted when designer Janine James happened to mention our search to Charlie Melcher of Melcher Media."

    You guys don't seem to get the whole "this will not generate non-biodegradable waste" thing. Tree-based books cannot be "recycled", only "downcycled" to the point of uselessness. Plastics can be truely "recycled" infinitely. This is why tree-based paper is ALWAYS going to harm the environment.
  87. I had one of these as an infant. by Qender · · Score: 1

    When I was young I had one of these. It was plastic with styrofoam sealed inside. I could bring it in the bathtub and read about stories with very small words.

    After a few years the plastic cracked and it got all moldy inside.

  88. Why plastic is good(was:I am so tired of plastic!) by mamba-mamba · · Score: 1

    Environmentalists should be in favor of plastics replacing paper and pulp (and anything made of wood)

    Here's why:

    1) CO2, which comes mainly from fossil-fuel consumption is the leading anthropogenic greenhouse gas.

    2) It is clear that every oil field will eventually be exploited, and every bit of that oil will either go into fuel or plastic. There aren't really that many other options. If it goes into fuel, it will eventually be converted into CO2 and contribute to global warming. But if it is used intstead to create some solid plastic object, it will eventually find its way into a landfill, where it will be safely stored for many many years, and where it can never be used as a fuel. And, since plastics are largely inert and non-toxic, this isn't any kind of real environmental problem. It may be an asthetic problem, but that's another issue.

    So, in summary, more plastics means less CO2, and less greenhouse effect. Not to mention fewer chopped-down trees.

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  89. Aqua Erotica by charlie763 · · Score: 2

    Who else immeditly clicked the link to Aqua Erotica?

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  90. Rejected before it starts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will never get accepted because of all the dioxins released during book burning conventions.

  91. Re:Why plastic is good(was:I am so tired of plasti by PD · · Score: 1

    Excellent points, which I also posted in other places. I'd mod you up if I could.

  92. Plastic Bills... by lesterchakyn · · Score: 1

    Did anyone knew that here in Mexico the government is using a new type of bills?... they're made of "polymer" (plastic).
    They're nice, clean and they don't get wet =)

  93. I prefer electronic books by Kiwi · · Score: 1
    I prefer electrionic books because they don't take up nearly as much room. I am the kind of person who likes to have the freedom to move to get a better paying job or go where the girls think I am sexy--having a lot of books which I have to lug with me every time I move gets tiring after a while.

    My goal right now is to have a bunch of e-books which are on CD-ROMs; lugging around half a dozen huge case-logic carriers of CD-ROMs is much easier than lugging around a couple of bookshelves of books.

    - Sam

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  94. Similar to money? by Nermal6693 · · Score: 1

    I don't know about other countries, but here in New Zealand all the money is a kind of plastic. It doesn't rip, doesn't get damaged when it gets wet, etc. Is this the same sort of material?

  95. what'l they think of next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    waterproof toilet paper?

  96. It's already been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some countries are moving twards water proof money bills.

    Makes forgery much more difficult,
    and the longer lifetime (up to 4 times) and cleanness are really cool.

  97. Make 'em fire proof by RealSkee · · Score: 1

    Make 'em fire proof

  98. Re:Sorry.. by coredumpman · · Score: 1

    CD's are waterproof... only sunlight really destroyes them. It is the devices that read them that need to be made waterproof. YOu could easlily construct a device that is waterproof to read a book, howerver I don't think the point of these plastic books is the ability to read them in the shower.. I think of more like the ability to survive a rainstorm in a soaked school bag, something which an E-book on CD is capable of doing.. I can see for a diver how a plastic pocket guide book might be usefull, but that is a very small market, and if you can make a pocket waterproof PDA this might be more usefull and more compact for divers.. I say for the average person CD's are still better ideas..

  99. Money bills by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 2

    How would this work for money bills?

    From what I read, the current paper in Euro bills can stand being accidentally left in a pocket while washing clothes, so maybe it's not needed.

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