I hate to point this out, but THIS POINT IS A COMPLETE MYTH AND FALLACY. The linux kernel included in every distribution I've ever used has been set up modularly so any hardware supported will be loaded at runtime. If the newer kernel has drivers you need, you don't need to compile a kernel, you just need to go into your package manager and download the latest version.
I've had about half a dozen hardware configurations over the past few years, and I've run Linux on all of them. I have NEVER had to re-compile the kernel to get hardware support for something. Input drivers are pretty much a no-brainer, but even the i845 3d acceleration ran out of the box in Debian for me.
That said, one of my future projects will be a program to configure linux based on the contents of/etc so people don't have to dig through that. Nobody wants to do that.
Don't be an ass. Originally, there wasn't supposed to BE other manufacturers. The IBM PC was an IBM product. There's a reason other machines are called 'clones'.
In genesis, it says the earth was created before the sun(the source of the light, the source of night and day) and the stars. It was the first thing created. The chronology is pretty damning towards a divinely inspired tome.
I'm not telling you to give up your faith, but be suspicious of everything. Question even the word of God, because His word may just be the words of men.
Both arguements are stupid because we are here. You can't argue that the odds are so slim of something that HAS happened happening that it couldn't happen. It DID.
1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13. And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18. And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20. And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherei
I'm afraid you've got Linux confused with something else. Linux is simply an OS kernel which adheres to the POSIX standard. If you are referring to open source software in general, then you are demonstratably wrong, and if you'd like to pursue this, I'd be willing to give examples proving this.
I love the joke of gold plated cable ends: Most people don't realize that by using two different metals, you can cause corrosion which can cause the cables to flake out faster.:)
The k6s were golden because you didn't have to change any infastructure if you had a reasonably flexible motherboard. Take a 200, change the CPU voltage and set a 2.0x multiplier(cvx core k6-2s would see this as 6.0x), and you had a 400 Mhz machine without replacing all the parts. This was significant since at the time because the jump from a P1 to P2 meant basically building a new machine from the chassis up.
While I will grant AMD has had great reviews for the past 2-3 years, prior to this AMD was always considered the inferior product. Period. ...or not. Though AMDs attempt with the K5 and K6 were less than stellar than the Pentium class systems available at the same time owing mostly to the lack of a superscalar FPU unit which cripled every non-intel of the era, anything prior to that was more or less just a cleaning up and shrinking of Intels design, since IBM chose AMD as a second source for x86 processors at the beginning of the IBM PC. To many people, AMDs were superior to Intel chips. After that, Intel managed to stop being forced to give AMD their designs, so they alone were allowed to make Pentiums, which resulted in AMD making some strategic purchases to get the technology to build first the K5, then the K6 line of processors. Though the K5 simply didn't come out in time to compete earnestly with the early Pentiums, the K6 had a decent amount of Integer processing power, and could compete with a similarly clocked Pentium doing tasks which didn't try to utilize the non-superscalar FPU. The K6-2 added 3dNow! to minimize this issue, and to be frank, for the time, a Voodoo 2 with a K6-2 processor using the 3dNow patch was simply the fastest way you could play Quake 2. It too was stuck with a non superscalar FPU, however, which cripled it in standard FPU benchmarks. Ever since the release of the Athlon, six years ago, AMD has had a competitive chip -- at times it was hobbled by horrible chipsets, but that's remedied itself as well, over time.
They did this by selling extremely cheap lower quality CPUs compared to Intel and IBM.
As someone who has used AMD 8088s, 286s, 386s, and 486s, K5s, K6s, K6-2s, and Athlons, I'm going to have to disagree. AMD has always put out a fairly good product. There have been problems at times with chipsets, especially from other companies, but the processors themselves, worked as well or better when used as a drop-in replacement for an Intel Equivilant(except for the k5 and k6, again thanks to the lack of a superscalar FPU which crippled every non-intel chip on the market at the time).
on qbxl.net, IE and Firefox have been switching positions at #1 regularly(at about 30% each) for a few months now. I don't use either, so luckily I'm not skewing the results.:)
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I hate to point this out, but THIS POINT IS A COMPLETE MYTH AND FALLACY. The linux kernel included in every distribution I've ever used has been set up modularly so any hardware supported will be loaded at runtime. If the newer kernel has drivers you need, you don't need to compile a kernel, you just need to go into your package manager and download the latest version.
/etc so people don't have to dig through that. Nobody wants to do that.
I've had about half a dozen hardware configurations over the past few years, and I've run Linux on all of them. I have NEVER had to re-compile the kernel to get hardware support for something. Input drivers are pretty much a no-brainer, but even the i845 3d acceleration ran out of the box in Debian for me.
That said, one of my future projects will be a program to configure linux based on the contents of
I'm a user of some of the more hardcore linux distributions. Debian has one bastard of an install.
But, it's all automated by apt-get, and I can be up and running with the latest versions of everything I use in an hour or two.
If it takes you two days to set up linux, you're not somewhat computer literate.
list just one time you can say without a doubt that Microsoft "stole" something.
Stacker.
Thank you and good night.
I've seen BeOS.
I've seen OS/2.
If you say Microsoft's Windows 95 was good,
I'll have to disagree with you.
Don't be an ass. Originally, there wasn't supposed to BE other manufacturers. The IBM PC was an IBM product. There's a reason other machines are called 'clones'.
Since MS-BASIC is the result of dumpster diving at DEC, they don't really deserve any repsect for optimizations they likely copied.
It's hard to get a PC much cheaper than a mac mini.
In genesis, it says the earth was created before the sun(the source of the light, the source of night and day) and the stars. It was the first thing created. The chronology is pretty damning towards a divinely inspired tome.
I'm not telling you to give up your faith, but be suspicious of everything. Question even the word of God, because His word may just be the words of men.
You have the beginnings of a nietzschian sort of arguement there.
God is dead. Christians killed him. Now it's time to find a way and a reason to live a virtuous life regardless.
Both arguements are stupid because we are here. You can't argue that the odds are so slim of something that HAS happened happening that it couldn't happen. It DID.
1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13. And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18. And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20. And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherei
Reasonable people such as ourselves know that facts trump rhetoric. :)
I'm afraid you've got Linux confused with something else. Linux is simply an OS kernel which adheres to the POSIX standard. If you are referring to open source software in general, then you are demonstratably wrong, and if you'd like to pursue this, I'd be willing to give examples proving this.
Hey, I don't shop at stores that force me to leave my bag at the door either.
companies that want to treat me like a criminal by default can munch my taint.
Yeah, I'm not sure why I thought AMD was fabless. I must have been thinking of one of the graphics chip companies or something.
I love the joke of gold plated cable ends: Most people don't realize that by using two different metals, you can cause corrosion which can cause the cables to flake out faster. :)
The k6s were golden because you didn't have to change any infastructure if you had a reasonably flexible motherboard. Take a 200, change the CPU voltage and set a 2.0x multiplier(cvx core k6-2s would see this as 6.0x), and you had a 400 Mhz machine without replacing all the parts. This was significant since at the time because the jump from a P1 to P2 meant basically building a new machine from the chassis up.
While I will grant AMD has had great reviews for the past 2-3 years, prior to this AMD was always considered the inferior product. Period. ...or not. Though AMDs attempt with the K5 and K6 were less than stellar than the Pentium class systems available at the same time owing mostly to the lack of a superscalar FPU unit which cripled every non-intel of the era, anything prior to that was more or less just a cleaning up and shrinking of Intels design, since IBM chose AMD as a second source for x86 processors at the beginning of the IBM PC. To many people, AMDs were superior to Intel chips. After that, Intel managed to stop being forced to give AMD their designs, so they alone were allowed to make Pentiums, which resulted in AMD making some strategic purchases to get the technology to build first the K5, then the K6 line of processors. Though the K5 simply didn't come out in time to compete earnestly with the early Pentiums, the K6 had a decent amount of Integer processing power, and could compete with a similarly clocked Pentium doing tasks which didn't try to utilize the non-superscalar FPU. The K6-2 added 3dNow! to minimize this issue, and to be frank, for the time, a Voodoo 2 with a K6-2 processor using the 3dNow patch was simply the fastest way you could play Quake 2. It too was stuck with a non superscalar FPU, however, which cripled it in standard FPU benchmarks. Ever since the release of the Athlon, six years ago, AMD has had a competitive chip -- at times it was hobbled by horrible chipsets, but that's remedied itself as well, over time.
They did this by selling extremely cheap lower quality CPUs compared to Intel and IBM.
As someone who has used AMD 8088s, 286s, 386s, and 486s, K5s, K6s, K6-2s, and Athlons, I'm going to have to disagree. AMD has always put out a fairly good product. There have been problems at times with chipsets, especially from other companies, but the processors themselves, worked as well or better when used as a drop-in replacement for an Intel Equivilant(except for the k5 and k6, again thanks to the lack of a superscalar FPU which crippled every non-intel chip on the market at the time).
Anyway, that's what I had to say.
I should reiterate: *I* am huked on foniks.
:P
I am one of the two people arguing.
on qbxl.net, IE and Firefox have been switching positions at #1 regularly(at about 30% each) for a few months now. I don't use either, so luckily I'm not skewing the results. :)
I'm getting irritated by these pantywaists why say we need web browsers. Whatever happened to telnetting to port 80?
I think to be called a consumer chip, someone has to run out and buy it first. :P
*SJ Zero looks at the ocean of macs before him
AMD doesn't need fab capacity. They don't own their fabs. If they need more capacity, they'll just rent it out. It's what they do.
i am huked on fonics.
coercion. Not cohesion.
My arguement is fundamentally different than you think it is.