This was on the minds of most of the small ISPs at ISPCON in Baltimore last week.
It looks like this....
For dialup, it's AOL, Earthlink and MSN. In all except the more remote/ rural locations, the little guy is going away, if he isn't already.
In terms of broadband, the cable guys will own the consumer set, while the established ILECs will own the biz DSL set. With ATT@Work offering US$800/month for a full DS1, it's only a matter of time before most mid size businesses switch from DSL. The thinking is, the CLECs are done, it's only a matter of time.
If you run Solaris in the enterprise, you run Sparc boxes. For people in Solaris environments, it's an incredible deal. FWIW, the SunBlade supports a GB more ram than the Dell.......
If one were to want to do this, one would either turn off Apache, flush the router, or otherwise deny access to the network or server. The usual ports are still open (no firewall or secure shell, huh kid?), 21, 23 25 and 80, all still up and accepting connections.
Server is still running, it's just a page with single dot. Every request returns the dot. Would have been easier to turn off Apache, or take that domain from httpd.conf.
Chances are pretty good, he got defaced though I think that anyone defacing it would have left a bolder message, or more likely, he's got no clue how to on how to be a pro sysadmin.
All the real reporters at the Seattle times have been on strike for a while.....
Those of us that live in the area know a bit more about it.
First, he broke no law. He was held for questioning, charges weren't filed because no law had been broken. He violated school rules. It's pretty irresponsible for a teacher to offer something like that to a 15 year old kid, particularly when there wasn't even a reward to begin with.
Adults, particularly teachers, need to be responsible, as well.
It all depends on the intent, and comparing this to DeCSS is quite a stretch. DeCSS is about a monopoly trying to constrain fair use rights and decide what you can do with your own property.
One might own the servers in the cage at Above, but not the pipes or the infrastructure. By comparison, I own the 100 plus DVDs and the players, that someone else is trying to control.
Participation in the RBL is optional. There is nothing optional about the MPAA and DVDCCA. Basically, if you want to watch a DVD, you have to use some sort of CSS. Not true for accessing the Internet, you don't have to use the RBL, and you can chose a provider that doesn't.
The guidelines for the RBL are pretty clear, and have been for years. I'm surprised that someone such as yourself isn't familiar with what it takes to get listed. They been sued before, by far bigger fish than Media 3.
Unlike CyberPatrol or other content restriction programs, MAPS tells you who is on the list, and why. Since I subscribed our network, spam is almost non existent. I'm not going to pay to support unsolicted email, and if some sites that choose to do business with supporters or providers of that type of thing, are inaccessable from my network, that's their problem, not mine. People certainly have a right (in the US, anyway) to express themselves, but that doesn't mean I have to be compelled to listen to them, and pay for the medium on which they do it.
The eBay issue was due to Sun CPUs in the E10k that drives the backend, not software. It was hard to reproduce, that's why they had such a hard time finding it.
MS isn't giving you code level patches to the OS in just a few hours, and probably not even any at all. What they will do, is offer a workaround, or stopgap, until the next service pack or revision.
Something MUST be done about this!
Make sure your routers and firewalls are properly configured, and all your patches are up to date. As far as using Win2k or NT.....well I wouldn't let them host any sensitive data.
There is a factual error in your post to Usenet, regarding DeCSS. You state "Spammer is knowinkgly and willfully disseminating the source code of illegal software", when in reality, only a single US district court has ruled that providing the source is not legal, and only under a few specific conditions.
No doubt it is spam, but excessive crossposting should be the reason for the message cancel, not the legality of only a single court, in the US. Outside of that, it's perfectly legal. Singley posted to the appropriate group, this is perfectly legal in most parts of the world. For example, a single post to comp.os.linux, would be appropriate. According to recent numbers from Media Metrix, the US only accounts for 40% of Internet traffic these days.
Last I looked, Usenet was still a worldwide network.;-)
Fighting the spam is good, but do it for the right reasons. This is a crossposting issue, not a legality of source issue.
Uhhh, do you realize that using the RBL is OPTIONAL? No one is required to do so. Many sys admins, though, agree and use the info. I do. I'm glad it's there. Most of us, do because we know who Vixie is (and if you don't, why the hell are you reading/.?) and respect his judgement and agree with the methodology involved.
Don't like to filter? Then don't, your choice. If you don't like the fact your ISP uses the RBL, then change. It's that easy.
It's far from over, there will be at least two more appeals, regardless of which way the futher ruling goes.
Perhaps you don't understand the exact gavity of the situation. Quite simply, even though Kaplan tried to distinctly word the linking action, that fact remains that if someone has something they don't want you to know, they can harass and threaten you just for posting a link, to a site that you don't control.
That, is very chilling, and no, we're not going to "just get over it". It's attitudes and reactions such as yours, that allow others to get away with eroding our rights, without a fight.
Got any idea what a PREVIEW might be? It's the first release, BETA......If you can't handle using preview release software, then do the rest of us a favor, and DON'T download it.
A browser is basically a UI, not much more. With a static file, it's really a big file manager. With an app, Java, cgi, whatever, it's an still interface.
Based on first hand use, and a fair amount of booth time, this is far superior to Mozilla, or ANY browser.
Or let alone spent time talking to some of the developers at LinuxWorld. It was especially cool to see it on Solaris 8, on an Ultra 60, opening and editing native Excel files......
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This was on the minds of most of the small ISPs at ISPCON in Baltimore last week.
It looks like this....
For dialup, it's AOL, Earthlink and MSN. In all except the more remote/ rural locations, the little guy is going away, if he isn't already.
In terms of broadband, the cable guys will own the consumer set, while the established ILECs will own the biz DSL set. With ATT@Work offering US$800/month for a full DS1, it's only a matter of time before most mid size businesses switch from DSL. The thinking is, the CLECs are done, it's only a matter of time.
Dave
Are you really an attorney? Serving Wired this notice on Slashdot?
You gotta be fucking kiddin' me.......
Dave
Too bad the TPC doesn't measure uptime. Speed and benchmarks are worthless if the system doesn't stay up.
Dave
If you run Solaris in the enterprise, you run Sparc boxes. For people in Solaris environments, it's an incredible deal. FWIW, the SunBlade supports a GB more ram than the Dell.......
Dave
Have you even read a typical software license, such as the MS EULA?
The GPL deals only with the distribution, not the use. Anyone that actually takes the time to read the GPL gets this point right away.
A typical commercial software license, limits how and what you can do with the software.
Dave
Got nothin' to do with the US Consititution, or the Bill of Rights, for that matter.
Those are to protect citizens from the government, not each other.
Dave
A corporation is a legal process and type of company. It's not dependent on size.
Dave
The kid is a thief and a liar......he deserves whatever he gets.
Dave
If one were to want to do this, one would either turn off Apache, flush the router, or otherwise deny access to the network or server. The usual ports are still open (no firewall or secure shell, huh kid?), 21, 23 25 and 80, all still up and accepting connections.
Server is still running, it's just a page with single dot. Every request returns the dot. Would have been easier to turn off Apache, or take that domain from httpd.conf.
Chances are pretty good, he got defaced though I think that anyone defacing it would have left a bolder message, or more likely, he's got no clue how to on how to be a pro sysadmin.
Dave
All the real reporters at the Seattle times have been on strike for a while.....
Those of us that live in the area know a bit more about it.
First, he broke no law. He was held for questioning, charges weren't filed because no law had been broken. He violated school rules. It's pretty irresponsible for a teacher to offer something like that to a 15 year old kid, particularly when there wasn't even a reward to begin with.
Adults, particularly teachers, need to be responsible, as well.
Dave
It all depends on the intent, and comparing this to DeCSS is quite a stretch. DeCSS is about a monopoly trying to constrain fair use rights and decide what you can do with your own property.
One might own the servers in the cage at Above, but not the pipes or the infrastructure. By comparison, I own the 100 plus DVDs and the players, that someone else is trying to control.
Participation in the RBL is optional. There is nothing optional about the MPAA and DVDCCA. Basically, if you want to watch a DVD, you have to use some sort of CSS. Not true for accessing the Internet, you don't have to use the RBL, and you can chose a provider that doesn't.
The guidelines for the RBL are pretty clear, and have been for years. I'm surprised that someone such as yourself isn't familiar with what it takes to get listed. They been sued before, by far bigger fish than Media 3.
Unlike CyberPatrol or other content restriction programs, MAPS tells you who is on the list, and why. Since I subscribed our network, spam is almost non existent. I'm not going to pay to support unsolicted email, and if some sites that choose to do business with supporters or providers of that type of thing, are inaccessable from my network, that's their problem, not mine. People certainly have a right (in the US, anyway) to express themselves, but that doesn't mean I have to be compelled to listen to them, and pay for the medium on which they do it.
Dave
The eBay issue was due to Sun CPUs in the E10k that drives the backend, not software. It was hard to reproduce, that's why they had such a hard time finding it.
Dave
MS isn't giving you code level patches to the OS in just a few hours, and probably not even any at all. What they will do, is offer a workaround, or stopgap, until the next service pack or revision.
Dave
Something MUST be done about this! Make sure your routers and firewalls are properly configured, and all your patches are up to date. As far as using Win2k or NT.....well I wouldn't let them host any sensitive data.
Up until /. moved to Andover's cage at Exodus and upgraded the infrasturcture, the performance here was horrible.
Dave
You got a Blue Badge, don't you? ..... ;-)
You are either an employee, or you haven't used enough MS products to know what the real plan is........
I just sent Timmy this.....
;-)
***start email***
There is a factual error in your post to Usenet, regarding DeCSS. You state "Spammer is knowinkgly and willfully disseminating the source code of illegal software", when in reality, only a single US district court has ruled that providing the source is not legal, and only under a few specific conditions.
No doubt it is spam, but excessive crossposting should be the reason for the message cancel, not the legality of only a single court, in the US. Outside of that, it's perfectly legal. Singley posted to the appropriate group, this is perfectly legal in most parts of the world. For example, a single post to comp.os.linux, would be appropriate. According to recent numbers from Media Metrix, the US only accounts for 40% of Internet traffic these days.
Last I looked, Usenet was still a worldwide network.
Fighting the spam is good, but do it for the right reasons. This is a crossposting issue, not a legality of source issue.
*** end ***
Dave
Uhhh, do you realize that using the RBL is OPTIONAL? No one is required to do so. Many sys admins, though, agree and use the info. I do. I'm glad it's there. Most of us, do because we know who Vixie is (and if you don't, why the hell are you reading /.?) and respect his judgement and agree with the methodology involved.
Don't like to filter? Then don't, your choice. If you don't like the fact your ISP uses the RBL, then change. It's that easy.
Dave
It's far from over, there will be at least two more appeals, regardless of which way the futher ruling goes.
Perhaps you don't understand the exact gavity of the situation. Quite simply, even though Kaplan tried to distinctly word the linking action, that fact remains that if someone has something they don't want you to know, they can harass and threaten you just for posting a link, to a site that you don't control.
That, is very chilling, and no, we're not going to "just get over it". It's attitudes and reactions such as yours, that allow others to get away with eroding our rights, without a fight.
Dave
I'd bet you're are right, William. But you're proof that the "liitle guy" can when...
Dave
Lawsuit? Against what? They don't have to let you on the site, regardless. Poor policy, sure, illegal, not a chance.
Dave
Got any idea what a PREVIEW might be? It's the first release, BETA......If you can't handle using preview release software, then do the rest of us a favor, and DON'T download it.
Dave
Based on first hand use, and a fair amount of booth time, this is far superior to Mozilla, or ANY browser.
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